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    The Savvy Sauce

    Do you want ideas for questions to deepen your conversations? Do you want to feel intimately connected to your spouse? Do you desire to parent with purpose? If so, tune in each Monday with Laura, a licensed marriage and family therapist who specialized in Christian sex therapy. She interviews the best faith-based speakers to answer our questions and doesn’t shy away from a wide range of difficult topics. Sexual intimacy is discussed once a month so that you can delight in your marital relationship, feel equipped to teach your children about sex, and learn practical ways to overcome hurt or addiction. Episodes on health and wellness cover topics of hormones and free lifestyle swaps, perimenopause, and what simple practices yield HUGE health benefits. Marital experts teach conflict resolution that actually works, parenting pros share wisdom from newborns to adult children, business leaders let us in on secrets of the trade, and the foundation of everything is Jesus Christ!  Find joy here and live on purpose as you consider, “What’s your savvy sauce?!”

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    68 Hormones and Simple Changes to Feel SO Much Better with Functional Medicine Expert, Dr. Jill Carnahan Aug 26, 2019
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    68. Hormones and Simple Changes to Feel SO Much Better with Functional Medicine Expert, Dr. Jill Carnahan **Transcription Below** Jeremiah 30:17 (a) NIV “But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds,’ declares the LORD," Dr. Jill Carnahan completed her residency at the University of Illinois Program in Family Medicine at Methodist Medical Center. She received her medical degree from Loyola University Stritch School of Medicine in Chicago and her Bachelor of Science degree in Bio-Engineering at the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana. She is dually board-certified in Family Medicine and Integrative Holistic Medicine. In 2008, Dr. Carnahan’s vision for health and healing resulted in the creation of Methodist Center for Integrative Medicine in Peoria, IL where she served as the Medical Director for 2 years. In 2010, she founded Flatiron Functional Medicine in Boulder, Colorado where she practices functional medicine with medical partner, Dr. Robert Rountree, author and expert speaker. Dr. Carnahan is also 10-year survivor of breast cancer and Crohn’s disease and passionate about teaching patients how to “live well” and thrive in the midst of complex and chronic illness. She is also committed to teaching other physicians how to address underlying cause of illness rather than just treating symptoms through the principles of functional medicine. She is a prolific writer, speaker, and loves to infuse others with her passion for health & healing! Dr. Jill’s Website Environmental Working Group Website IQ Air Austin Air Dr. Jill’s Protein Smoothie Recipe: · Approximately 1 cup ice cubes · ½ - 1 ripe banana (frozen and sliced works best; slice and freeze your ripe bananas for smoothies) · ½ - 1 cup organic frozen berries or other frozen fruit · 1 scoop protein powder (recommended protein powder: Thorne Vegalite) · 2 tablespoon of ground flaxseed or Salba Seed · Handful of fresh spinach or kale (optional) · Liquid stevia drops to taste (optional) · Enough water or coconut milk (or other dairy substitute) to cover all the other ingredients – more or less depending on desired consistency. o For a lower calorie option use ½ water and ½ coconut milk Process everything in a heavy-duty blender until you get a thick, velvety, and smooth milkshake and enjoy! Thank You to Our Sponsors: Chewbeads Enter code “SAVVY” at checkout to enjoy 15% off your order! Thank you to Our Other Sponsor: Night In Boxes Order your box here! Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Have you been looking for creative ways to invest in your relationship with your spouse and with your family? You can do this from your home with zero preparation with Night In Boxes. For more information, visit NightInBoxes.com. Do you have a teething baby? Our sponsor today can help. Chew Beads is the original teething jewelry brand for all your baby's teething needs and beyond. Mommy chic and baby safe. Visit them at ChewBeads.com. Dr. Jill Carnahan has been on The Savvy Sauce previously, and time with her is gold. We recorded while she was in her office, so I do apologize if you hear some background noise. But you may not even notice because you're going to be so caught up in all the advice and tips she shares. Today, we're specifically going to have her teach us more about the role of hormones and how to keep them in balance. Here's our chat. [00:01:21] Welcome back to The Savvy Sauce, Dr. Jill. Dr. Jill Carnahan: Thank you so much for having me back, Laura. Laura Dugger: Well, it's always a pleasure. Let's just dive right in today to discussing how hormones impact our lives. So, first, will you just teach us what hormones are and explain what role they play in our bodies? Dr. Jill Carnahan: You got it. These are messengers that come from different glands in our body. And it's one of the ways that all the different glands, from the adrenals to the thyroid to the pituitary, to, for females, ovaries, and for men, testes, how they all communicate and kind of have... it's like the language, kind of like their email the way they communicate between one another. So a lot of different things affect hormone production. Hormones really drive a lot of our physiology. The main things that I work with with hormones, with both men and women, are the thyroid. It's a big one for a lot of people. That runs our metabolism. It makes us have normal body temperature, normal metabolism to use calories and to burn up calories and to make and create energy. [00:02:22] Another one that's real common that we deal with is adrenals. Adrenal glands are glands that sit just on top of the kidneys. They're a little triangular-shaped gland, and they produce mineralocorticoids, and they also produce steroid hormones like cortisol. These things will regulate our blood sugar. They will regulate our hydration. So if we drink and we stay hydrated, part of that is the function of the adrenal glands. They regulate adrenaline. So if we get in a state of fear or fight or flight or shock, they will actually keep us alive in a situation of trauma or fear or anything that's really difficult, even just a surgery or a physiological stressor. In women, the ovaries produce all the female hormones, estrogen to testosterone to DHEA and progesterone. And it's this big symphony where... like in women, we have a dominant part of our cycle when we're cycling, menstruating women, that is estrogen-dominant. And then the other half of our cycle, the luteal phase, is progesterone-dominant. That balance is just up and down like a wave for both of those hormones. And they're kind of in yin and yang. One goes up, and the other goes down, and the other goes up, and the other goes down. [00:03:26] And if that balance is going well, women have no trouble with having children and conceiving and having normal cycles, and they don't have pain or cramping or heavy bleeding. But so many women we know have endometriosis and polycystic ovarian syndrome where they have acne or hair growth or irregular blood sugars, or they have trouble with uterine fibroids or infertility is a big one. All of these things stem from that symphony being imbalanced. Then for men, it's a little bit more simple. I always joke because it's actually quite a bit easier to balance male hormones than it is to balance women's hormones. But men have a symphony too. They primarily have androgens, which are the DHEA and testosterone. And it's interesting because something like autoimmune disease, which I'm sure a lot of your listeners either have or know someone who has, is partially related to, in women it's much more prevalent because they have lower testosterone. Testosterone is one of the things in men that actually helps them to prevent from having a lot of autoimmunity. [00:04:26] So they have a much more dominant testosterone. They have a little bit of estrogen. In men, if the estrogen gets too high, they will tend to have man boobs and weight gain around the central part of their abdomen. They'll have a low sex drive, low ambition, just drive in general. There's a lot of chemicals in our environment that stimulate estrogens in both men and women. Sometimes women will have heavy painful periods and fibroids and early breast development. I just talked to a family with an eight-year-old girl with breast development, and that's called precocious puberty. That actually comes from these environmental toxins that are like estrogens to the body. Then men, the same thing. Some of these environmental toxins that look like estrogens to the body can cause the estrogen symptoms in men, which is no fun for them either. Then there's pituitary and some hormones up there. Those are all the precursors to these. They're like the directors of the symphony. Those are things like ACTH, which stimulates the adrenal gland, and TRH, which stimulates the thyroid gland, and TSH. And then all of these precursors can actually stimulate the hormones. [00:05:29] Even though that sounds complicated, that's a simplified version of this really beautiful complex thing that God created in us to direct the symphony. Laura Dugger: That's amazing. It is so complex. But you mentioned environmental issues. Are there any common top killers of a healthy hormone balance? Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah. If you don't mind, I'm going to digress a little because this puts it all in perspective. I grew up near you on a farm in central Illinois, and they're still in the U.S. used. There's a lot of pesticides and chemicals that are used that are actually banned in countries like in Europe. Some of those chemicals like atrazine and glyphosate and a lot of the organophosphate pesticides, they actually have a really strong estrogen-like and hormonal effect on the body. I bring it up related to me because at 25 years old, very young, I had breast cancer. And there's no doubt in my mind it was the perfect storm of probable exposures as a young child, possibly in utero before I was born, to some of these estrogen-like chemicals. [00:06:31] Then my body, genetically, was very poor at detoxifying. So it was kind of the perfect storm to give me a cancer at 25. And what people don't realize is when you have a cancer at 25, that means the hit on your DNA, the damage was probably done 10 or 20 years prior, which means I was a very, very young girl when these hormones and hormone-like chemicals were actually causing or wreaking havoc on my body. We see that all the time. A lot of the environmental cancers, especially prostate and breast cancers in men and women, are related to this environmental toxic load. The most common things that affect hormones would be phthalates and parabens, which for women are in a lot of your bath and body products. If you look for anything that says methylparaben or paraben at the end, you can actually look at the label and read this. And you should not be using things with phthalates or parabens in them on your body. I remember, again, after breast cancer, I realized the toxic load from my bath, my beauty, my cleaning products. It took me a couple of years, but I really went through one by one and tried to get rid of all the toxic chemicals that were being used in my house and on my body. [00:07:37] And it's literally hundreds of things that most of us women use every day. One resource for your listeners, there's a website that's nonprofit called Environmental Working Group. It's just EWG for EnvironmentalWorkingGroup.org. They have a lot of resources on toxic chemicals. You can look up cosmetics and beauty products and see their rating and see how clean they are. So that might be really helpful if your listeners are looking for ways to clean up that routine because that's actually a lot of where we get our exposure, is the things we put on our body and in our mouth and clean our house with. Laura Dugger: Wow. That's really helpful to know what to avoid. And then on the other side, are there any proactive lifestyle choices that have been proven to support a healthy endocrine system? Dr. Jill Carnahan: Yeah. I always say super simple. Even when I'm teaching physicians, I go back to the root. And that is clean air, clean water, clean food. Sounds so basic that you're like, what? But clean air, 80% of our environmental toxic load is from the air we breathe. [00:08:39] And so a lot of our chemicals, mold in particular in houses and different workplaces and things, can cause a really bad problem with the endocrine system. And it's everywhere in a lot of homes that people don't know it, and they have mold from water intrusion. So that's a big one. Like I mentioned, pesticides. So things as far as clean food, you want to eat organic as much as possible. A lot of people say they can't afford organic, but I'm always apt to say, well, you could pay the farmer or pay the doctor, but I'd rather pay for good food and prevent the hospitalization later on. There is ways to prioritize. You can look at that same Environmental Working Group. There's a dirty dozen they put out every year, and these are the top 12 produce like celery or strawberries that are sprayed with pesticides. So those, if at all possible, you absolutely want to eat organic. So the food that we eat, organic if possible, non-GMO if possi…

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    67 Thriving at Work, Home, and Life with Author, Blogger, Podcaster, and Business Owner, Crystal Paine Aug 19, 2019
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    67. Thriving at Work, Home, and Life with Author, Blogger, Podcaster, and Business Owner, Crystal Paine **Transcription Below** 1 Timothy 4:16 (AMP) “Pay close attention to yourself [concentrate on your personal development] and to your teaching; persevere in these things [hold to them], for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.” Crystal Paine is the founder of MoneySavingMom.com, host of The Crystal Paine Show podcast, New York Times bestselling author of Say Goodbye to Survival Mode and author of the book, Money-Making Mom. Crystal started MoneySavingMom.com in 2007 to provide practical strategies to help women cut their grocery bill and and live on less than they make. It has grown to be one of the top personal finance blogs on the web averaging over 1.5 million unique visitors per month. In 2017, Crystal started another blog, YourBloggingMentor.com, to teach beginning to intermediate bloggers how to make a part-time to full-time income blogging. She offers courses and blog coaching at YourBloggingUniversity.com. Crystal has been featured on Good Morning America and FOX Business, she's been spotlighted in articles inWoman's DayandAll Youmagazine; and has earned nods via The Today Show, National Public Radio, CNN, USA Weekend,Shop Smartmagazine,Real Simplemagazine, and numerous other national outlets. Her desire is to help women across the globe live with more passion, purpose and intention in their everyday lives. She lives in the Nashville, TN area with her husband and three kids. At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Crystal’s Websites: Money Saving Mom Your Blogging Mentor Crystal Paine Bible Chasing Excellence by Ben Bergeron Emotionally Healthy Spirituality by Peter Scazzero Mom Set Free Abandoned to God The Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey Sacred Rest by Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith Banana Chocolate Chip Muffin Recipe Crystal Painel’s Favorite Decaf Teas Dandy Blend Morning Motivator YNAB Crystal Paine’s Blog Posts: 5 Days to a Better Morning How I Drink a Gallon of Water Every Day How I Listen to Audiobooks for Free Crystal Paine's Social Media Handles: @themoneysavingmom @yourbloggingmentor Say Good-Bye to Survival Mode by Chrystal Paine The Money-Saving Mom’s Budget by Chrystal Paine Money-Making Mom by Crystal Paine Thank You to Our Sponsor: Neal Beer with Country Financial Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:01] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Today's sponsor is Neal Beer. Neal is a country financial representative located in Germantown Hills, Illinois. He focuses on risk management as part of a good financial plan. You can find him online or give him a call today at (309) 383-2566. Thanks for your sponsorship. My guest, Crystal Paine, embodies our tagline of sharing practical chats for intentional living. She is a work-at-home mom who's been helping families gain control of their finances and be purposeful in the way they spend their lives. She's an author, blogger, podcaster, and business owner. Today you can expect to learn how to have an abundant life as it relates to anything going on in your own season, whether that's at work, stewarding your money well, or investing in the most meaningful relationships around you. No doubt you will leave with plenty of simple ideas to implement. Here's our chat. Welcome to the Savvy Sauce, Crystal. Crystal Paine: I'm so excited to be here. Laura Dugger: Let's just begin with you sharing a glimpse of your story with us. So my husband and I got married about 16 years ago. We had set this goal that we were going to go through law school and we were going to stay out of debt. That's really kind of what started my journey of having an online business and all of that because we were starting in and I was working part-time as a nanny for some different families. And then I found out that I was pregnant. And I was super excited to be pregnant, but then also super sick. So I had to come home and just really pave a path from the bed to the bathroom for a number of months. While I was in bed, just started researching everything that I could about making money online and just fell into blogging. From there, I never ever, ever would have dreamed I'd be doing what I am doing today. But, you know, to look back and see God's hand through that, those lean law school years, and then how God was really paving the way for this business and this ministry that my husband and I do together full-time now, we just never could have dreamed or envisioned that. I have three kids. They're 14, 11, and 9. And three businesses kind of sort of because of Money Saving Mom. Then I have End Your Blogging Mentor, which is another blog that I run. And then I have Your Blogging University, which is where I teach people to make a part-time to full-time income from blogging. [00:02:53] So between that and just life and then serving our church, life is very full. Laura Dugger: Well, it's been incredible. For those listening who have never checked it out before, it's MoneySavingMom.com that you can start with online. I love it there when you post about the amazing books that you've read recently. I would just love to know, how do you prioritize reading with everything else that you have going on? Crystal Paine: I think it starts with the desire to make reading a priority and then figuring out, okay, where am I going to fit it in in my life? Where are those cracks of time that I can fit it in? So for me right now in this season of life, because of my kids being older and there's a lot more responsibilities for me with that, just a lot of activities and things, and they just want to stay up late at night and talk, which used to be kind of a time that I would read, I have been moving more toward audiobooks. [00:03:47] So I love the Libby app. It is a free app that you can get through your library, and they have books that you can check out. I typically listen to books while I am doing my hair and my makeup in the morning, and then also when I am driving, if I'm by myself, or if I'm cleaning or cooking. That's where I fit in the bulk of my reading is through listening. But then also in little bits of time, I always have a real book going as well. I read a lot last weekend. I was sitting at my son's football practice, and so I got some reading in there. I will read if I'm just waiting at a doctor's office. I always have a book with me. I found that if you just always have a book with you, you'll find those little cracks of time to fit in reading. Laura Dugger: That's such great advice, because if we're waiting for this 30 minutes of uninterrupted time, it may be less likely to happen. So that's a good tip. If you had to name your top five most transformational books of all time, what would they be? [00:04:47] Crystal Paine: This is like asking me which kid is my favorite, because I've read so many books over the years. Because since the time that I was young, I've just been a voracious reader. The first would be the Bible, absolutely. But then also Abandoned to God by David McCasland. That is a book that I read when I was in my early teens, and that I just really see that God used to save me. And it just had a really powerful impact on the trajectory of my life. So I always look to that book as one of the most impactful books. Then I'm going to cheat a little bit, and I'm going to say the top three books from 2018, because that was easier for me to come up with five. So that was Mom Set Free by Jeannie Cunnion. That book is just really fantastic. If you are a mom who is struggling with feeling burdened by the weight of perfectionism, or you're feeling like you need to be doing more or trying harder, or you're just not doing enough, or you're failing your kids, it's a fantastic read for that. [00:05:49] Also Chasing Excellence by Ben Bergeron. He is a CrossFit coach. I've done some CrossFit, and I love to watch the CrossFit athletes, but I'm not this huge CrossFit person. However, this book was so... just really deeply touched me and kind of motivated me at this core level, because when he talked about excellence, and I realized how I'd kind of gotten this rut of chasing after mediocrity. I was like, it's working. It's good. It's okay. And that's not how I want to live my life. As a result of reading that book in 2018, I chose the word "excellence" for 2019 and just really changed a lot of how I was approaching my life as a result of it. So even if you're not an athlete or don't care about CrossFit, I feel like there's a lot of value in that. And then finally, Emotionally Healthy Spirituality. This is by Peter Scazzero. I think that's how you pronounce his last name. It's all about how your emotional health and your spiritual health are so intertwined and how often we have so much baggage from our past that we are carrying around that we are living out of. And so we're acting out of these hurts in our past that we've never worked through and these wounds in our past, and how when we go back and we work through those things, it gives us so much more ability to live in a healthy manner and approach life in a much more healthy manner. [00:07:15] Laura Dugger: Wow. That's such a well-rounded list of books. Thanks for sharing. We will definitely link to all of those in our show notes and on our "Resources" tab. From your years of experience as a money-saving expert, what trends do you see where people are overspending in general? Crystal Paine: I feel like this kind of ties into the Emotionally Healthy Spirituality like we were talking about. I feel like so many people have these core wounds and things from their childhood that they have never dealt with, and so it's causing them to act out of that in their adult years. I will talk to so many women who they are buying things in order to fill an emptiness that is in their heart. Or something happened in their childhood, for instance, maybe they weren't allowed to have certain things, so in their adulthood, then they will want to kind of almost go overboard in that area, or their parents were really strict in certain areas. I see how there's patterns from our childhood that then play into unhealthy patterns in our adulthood. [00:08:19] That is, for me, I think a lot of it's on a deeper level. It's sometimes this core stuff where we're trying to fill something in our heart through buying stuff that buying stuff can never actually satisfy. Laura Dugger: How do you recommend they regain control over this area of their life? Crystal Paine: I think in all areas, like if we are struggling in a certain area, so if you're overspending or you feel like there's not enough money at the end of the month, to really start with asking why. Like where is this coming from? What is the root of this? And looking at all your expenditures and really taking an honest assessment of where your money is going and starting there. So then it's like, Oh, well, look here. We're spending this much on this. And then to ask yourself why and to really dig into that, I think that can be very helpful. A lot of people don't even know how much they're spending. I think a great starting place is just to take that overall assessment and then to drill down and to say why and to really ask yourself, is this a necessity? Is this something that's really making an impact in my life? Or am I just paying for this because I feel like that's what I'm supposed to do or that's what I've always done? [00:09:38] I just don't even think of looking for a less expensive option. Laura Dugger: And if they're interested in taking that assessment, how would you recommend they do that? Is there an app online or just carrying around a notebook and documenting their spending? Crystal Paine: I think it really depends upon your personality type. I always recommend if people are in a lot of debt or they're struggling to get on a budget, starting…

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    66 Sharing God’s Love With the World with Author and Amazima Ministries Founder, Katie Davis Majors Aug 12, 2019
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    66. Sharing God’s Love With the World with Author and Amazima Ministries Founder, Katie Davis Majors **Transcription Below** Philippians 1:6 (NIV) “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” Katie Davis Majors lives in Uganda. She and her husband, Benji, are the parents of 13 adopted daughters and two sons. In 2008, she started Amazima Ministries International, a non-profit organization to meet the physical, emotional, educational, and spiritual needs of the people of Uganda (www.amazima.org). Additionally, she is the author of Kisses from Katie: A Story of Relentless Love and Redemption and Daring to Hope, which chronicle her amazing call and obedience to God and to Uganda. Read more of Katie’s blog at katiemajors.blog and follow her on Instagram and Twitter at @katieinuganda. At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Amazima Ministries Website Books by Katie Davis Majors: Kisses From Katie Daring to Hope Katie’s Blog Connect with Katie on Instagram and Twitter @katieinuganda Thank You to Our Sponsor: FabFitFun #fabfitfunpartner (Enter Code: SAVVY at checkout to receive $10 off your first box) Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: We have another awesome sponsor today, FabFitFun. FabFitFun is a seasonal subscription box with full-size products that's a value over $200 per box, but it's going to cost you only $49.99. Even better, when you use the code SAVVY at checkout, you're going to get $10 off your first box. That's FabFitFun.com with code SAVVY at checkout. Enjoy! When Katie Davis Majors was 18 and a homecoming queen, graduating from high school just outside of Nashville, Tennessee, God showed her his unexpected plans one step at a time. He led Katie to move to Uganda, found Amazima Ministries, and become an adoptive mother to 13 beautiful girls by the time she was 23. Today you're going to hear so much more of her story since that time, and you're hopefully going to be inspired to learn how God is calling you to love the person right in front of you as he writes your unique story. Here's our chat. [00:01:28] Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Katie. Katie Davis Majors: Thank you, Laura. I'm so excited to be here. Laura Dugger: Will you start us off by just sharing your testimony and giving us a glimpse of your story as you went from the suburbs of Nashville to Uganda? Katie Davis Majors: Absolutely. For a long time, even early on in childhood, God had put it on my heart to serve others. Missions was something that I was always a little bit interested in, but that interest was increasing as I neared my graduation from high school. So my senior year of high school, over my Christmas break, my mom and I came on a short-term mission trip here to Uganda, and I just fell in love with this country and with the people and their grace and their hospitality and their love for Jesus. And I really, really wanted to come back. I had met a pastor on that trip who was looking for some help in starting up a preschool at his orphanage. So when I graduated high school, instead of committing to go to college, I actually committed to come back here to Uganda for a year and help him teach at the preschool and even silly things like handwriting worksheets and making homemade Play-Doh and trying to help him with this preschool program. [00:02:44] So I'm sure we'll get into it more the rest of the interview, but basically, that was now 11 years ago and Uganda is still my home. During that year that I was here, I obviously fell more and more in love with this place and these people. But there were also some things that were really surprising to me and probably the biggest one was that a lot of the children living in the orphanage had family members who loved them, who cared about them, who would even come and visit them. Sometimes when they were on breaks from school, they would go visit their parents or their grandparents. That was really foreign to me. I think as a Westerner who had not spent much time in a developing country, I had just assumed that if you lived in an orphanage, you didn't have parents or relatives. And certainly, in some countries, I think that's the case. But in East Africa specifically, about 80% of children living in institutions do have living relatives, and they're living in these orphanages and children's homes simply because of poverty — people just really can't afford the basic necessities to take care of their children. [00:03:59] That to me was really devastating. I would hear these kids that I worked and lived with at the orphanage talking about their extended family and desiring to go and visit them. So I just began asking questions of some of the friends that I had made and some of the community members that I was meeting. I would, you know, ask them like, Hey, if you had some of your basic needs provided for, you know, if you had school fees paid and you had some food provided for your family, would you want to keep your kids at home with you? And unanimously, the answer was yes. It seemed like every single person that I came across was saying, you know, they hadn't sent their kids to the orphanage because they didn't want them or they didn't care about them. They had sent them because they truly believed that inside the orphanage their kids would have a better life. They would be provided with some of these things that they just couldn't get at home. [00:04:54] School fees are probably one of the biggest costs that a family incurs here. And the better school that you'd your child to go to, the more expensive it is. And then on top of that, you have uniforms and materials and all these different things that make it really, really hard for families here, especially large families, to send their children to school. So I just kind of innocently asked a friend of mine if she would like for me to pay for her two little girls to go to school and if that would keep them from having to live at the orphanage. Of course, she said yes. And so at the beginning of, I guess it was the beginning of 2018, so I'd been in Uganda for about six months, I paid for those two girls to go to school. As I started telling my friends in the States and my parents, about just this problem that I had encountered and as I started talking to them about, you know, what a huge difference a few hundred dollars had made in the lives of these girls by allowing them to stay at home, some of my friends and some of my parents' friends said like, "Oh well, That sounds great. We would love to send you some money so that you could do that for another child." [00:06:10] And within, I think, the first couple of months, I had sent about 30 children to school just with donations that I had raised from family and friends in the States. By that time, I think the Lord was prompting me and making it clear that this was something that was a lot bigger than just me. And so that's kind of how Amazima, the organization that I founded and still work for today, was born, and that's basically what I've been doing ever since. Laura Dugger: Okay, so that was incredible. I'd love to unpack some more details of that story. Even from reading your first book, Kisses From Katie, you talked about overcoming some of even the illness parts that you were interacting with people, and it seemed like God had His hand of protection on you to not even get sick. Do you remember any of those stories that you could share? Katie Davis Majors: Sure. As you would imagine, at the orphanage, there were over 120 children in pretty close quarters. We were always passing something around. I was actually just joking with a friend the other day about how during the time I lived there, I would always have a little patch of ringworm somewhere on my chin because so many of the children had it on their heads. [00:07:25] They would sit and snuggle in your lap, so you'd get it right under your chin where you would rest your head on top of their heads. But I do really feel like God protected me in so many ways from a lot of bigger illnesses that went around. For some reason, I think it's funny, He just gives us grace for the season we're in. I think for some reason I wasn't ever... I didn't ever really feel fearful when the kids got sick, but more just compelled to love them. And by His grace, yeah, I didn't really catch anything or get anything. I think even specifically what you're talking about in the book is once I started my own family here, we welcomed a lot, a lot of different people into our home. And sometimes they were quite ill. In hindsight, I kind of laugh. Like, well, what were you doing? Like, how are you letting these different sick people be around your kids? But I really just think that the Lord does equip you for what He calls you to. In our case, there were many, many times when He kept us from illness and protected us from that. But I also believe that had we caught something or had one of my children become ill, He would have also provided a way for them to get the medical care that we needed. [00:08:45] Laura Dugger: But it's just incredible because I think it is an example of being the hands and feet of Jesus, and that we weren't given a spirit of timidity, but you just kept being obedient, and He protected you in that. Then further along in your story, how did you discern the Lord's voice calling you to stay in Uganda? Because you had only committed for one year, is that right? Katie Davis Majors: Right. That's absolutely right. I like this question a lot because I think there are so many of us, myself included some days... I mean, I know that I'm here in Uganda, so not in that way. But you know, I feel like we are all often wondering like, what are you asking me to do here, Lord? Or what are you calling me to even just in this season? For me, the answer was not... I didn't hear an audible voice. There wasn't a sign or certain things lining up in certain ways or anything like that that I was praying for that I felt like God revealed to me, as much as I know that He can do that. [00:09:51] But I think it just came down to honestly looking in His Word and seeing the commandment to make disciples of all nations, seeing the commandment to love my neighbor as myself, seeing the commandments to care for even who Jesus refers to as the least of these, you know, people who are hungry or sick or poor. I feel like I was looking all around me and all of those things were happening in my life. So more than any kind of audible calling or any kind of really tangible confirmation, I feel like I was able to look and say like, Okay, Lord, your commandment seems pretty clear here, and you have dropped me in a place where I do have an opportunity to do all these things. I totally believe that God could have done that in any other country, or even if I had stayed in Nashville, but He had me in a place where it was really obvious that there were needs to be met. And it was really obvious that I had the means to meet some of them. [00:11:02] So my call to stay and to continue to meet those needs, and above all of it, to continue to share the gospel, it seemed like there wasn't any other option but to stay and continue. Laura Dugger: So many people have now benefited from your obedience. Do you have any other stories of ways that you've seen God's hand at work, specifically during your time in Uganda? Katie Davis Majors: Oh my, yes, I have so many stories that it'll be hard to pick one. But on a grand scale, God has taken what was just a handful of children going to school with the desire that they would stay out of the orphanage and with their families. He has taken that and just expanded it into a pretty huge program here in Uganda, Amazima Ministries, which is the name of the ministry I founded. We now have over 600 children that we sponsor to go to school and we provide them with schooling all the way through university and skills training for some of those who will not go on through univ…

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    65 Simple Solutions to Help You Prepare For, Enrich, or Save Your Marriage with Dr. Matthew Turvey, Director of WinShape Marriage Aug 05, 2019
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    65. Simple Solutions to Help You Prepare For, Enrich, or Save Your Marriage with Dr. Matthew Turvey, Director of WinShape Marriage **Transcript Below** Isaiah 61:3 (NIV) “and provide for those who grieve in Zion — to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of gladness instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair. They will be called oaks of righteousness, a planting of the LORD for the display of his spender.” Matthew Turvey, Psy.D. has been a licensed psychologist since 2003 and has worked with countless couples all over the globe to strengthen their marriages. As Director of WinShape Marriage, Dr. Turvey cultivates programs and experiences that inspire couples in all stages of marriage to move toward moments of breakthrough in their relationships. He’s often found leading couples on marriage adventure experiences in exciting locations, guiding couples toward healing, and serving as a liaison for mental, spiritual and relational resources for WinShape Foundation and Chick-fil-A staff. Dr. Turvey’s family came to WinShape after two years in Lima, Peru where he served the emotional and relational needs of the missionary and international community. Prior to this, he served as vice president of Life Innovations where he helped revise the widely-used PREPARE-ENRICH marriage assessment and trained thousands of pastors and counselors in its use. Dr. Turvey worked with Gary Smalley earlier in his career. He continues to offer a unique perspective on achieving and maintaining healthy relationships through partnerships with numerous well-known authors and experts in the marriage and family field. Married since 1996, he enjoys traveling with his wife, Nicole, and their four children, with whom they’ve visited six continents. The Turveys are continually journeying through marriage and parenting with an open heart, a sense of humor, and a constant clinging to Proverbs 16:9, knowing that while the mind of man plans his way, the Lord directs his steps. At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. WinShape Marriage Website Sacred Pathways by Gary Thomas Thank You to Our Sponsor: FabFitFun #fabfitfunpartner (Enter Code: SAVVY at checkout to receive $10 off your first box) Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcript** [00:00:09] <Music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <Music> Laura Dugger: If you've listened to The Savvy Sauce for long, you know how much I enjoy FabFitFun, which is a seasonal subscription box. I will share more details later in this episode, specifically how you can receive over $200 worth of products for less than $40 just by using the code SAVVY at checkout when you visit fabfitfun.com. Thanks for your sponsorship. Whether your marriage is in crisis or you're just curious about ways to feel closer to your spouse and enjoy that marital connection more, this episode is for you. Psychologist and WinShape Marriage director, Dr. Matthew Turvey is my guest today. He's going to offer a unique perspective on maintaining a healthy marriage. I think you're going to laugh and learn from this time together. Here's our chat.Welcome to the services, Dr. Matthew Turvey. Dr. Matthew Turvey: Thank you so much. Glad to be here. Laura Dugger: [00:01:22] Well, as we begin, will you just share a bit about yourself, your background, and your work at WinShape Marriage? Dr. Matthew Turvey: Yes. I'm the director of WinShape Marriage. I've been there for about five years full-time, eight years overall. Before that started though, I've been married for 22 years to my wife Nicole, got four kids. Braden is 17. He's my soccer player and doing college stuff right now. And 15-year-old Alexis who does improv comedy of all things and also play soccer. And a 12-year-old engineer named Drew. He's our mathematician. And a 6-year-old daughter named Maya we adopted from China actually several years ago. So that rounds out the family. My wife stays at home, does some homeschool with them. And we just have a happy little family life. So that's us. Laura Dugger: [00:02:05] That is awesome. And with your work, I think that stories are always so powerful. So do you have any specific stories of redemption or reconciliation that stand out from some previous couples who have attended a WinShape Marriage event? Dr. Matthew Turvey: Yeah. So with WinShape, our little tagline, if I can say a little elevator pitch, we prepare, strengthen, or save marriages through intensives, retreats and adventures. So we've got quite a bit for kind of couples at every stage of their relationship. And it's always fun to see couples who are preparing for marriage, you know, premarital couples, it's fun to see them... and actually, even here, just this past week or so I ran into a couple that was at one of our programs called Prepare To Last. And they said, "You know what, that just set us up, right? We are in three years now and we've been through some challenges, we've had some issues at work, some issues with extended family," and they said, "but you know what, we had kind of our head screwed on straight after Prepare To Last." Because they knew what they wanted out of marriage, what marriage was about, what was most important to them. So it just got them on the right path. So I thought that was a really cool story to hear from this young couple. [00:03:12] I think about stories of redemption sometimes for couples who go through retreats, because you know, retreats are for couples who are looking for maybe that next step, needs some encouragement, maybe they're doing okay, they're not in crisis, but they just want to invest in their marriage. So for couples like that, it's just neat to hear how a weekend experience, when couples take the time to invest in their relationship and be serious about it and say, Hey, we're gonna get away, we're gonna get away from the kids, from technology, from work, all that stuff, we're going to do something for us and for our marriage that draws closer to each other and closer to the Lord. This is a powerful experience for couples. So I don't know if there's any deeply moving and tear-jerking stories about couples who go to retreats, but I can guarantee the couples that go to those are finding the Lord and finding each other in a more powerful way. So there's peeling back the layers of onion in the relationship and growing in connection and intimacy. For our intensives, those are the tear-jerking stories. Those are for couples typically who are facing challenges, maybe on the brink of divorce, and they come to WinShape and they go through this four-day experience with five other couples, a couple of Christian therapists. And they're there because they don't know what else to do. It's because they've tried a lot perhaps and they're just not sure that marriage is going to make it. So couples who go through that. I've heard multiple times of couples that say, you know what, God showed up in an incredible way. So the chance to really kind of bear it all in some ways emotionally for their spouse, maybe it's an experience they've never done before, and so those couples we treat them very tenderly and we take the trust they place in us at WinShape very seriously because it's a difficult thing to do, to talk about some of your heartache, your pains, those things that necessarily haven't gone the way you dream they would in your marriage. But couples who go through that and do that work, about 83%, 84% of those couples are still together two years later doing a lot better. So to me, that's a pretty powerful testimony. Laura Dugger: [00:05:05] Wow. Yes, that number is incredible. And I love that it sounds like WinShape addresses things both proactively, and you're there reactively if somebody needs a tune-up. Dr. Matthew Turvey: Exactly. Laura Dugger: [00:05:17] And you've kind of touched on this, but could you explain the difference between a WinShape Marriage retreat and intensive and an adventure that you offer? Dr. Matthew Turvey: Yeah. So the intensives, those are for couples who are facing challenges basically, or they're looking for a breakthrough in their marriage. So intensives aren't just for couples in crisis. They're for couples who are saying, You know, it feels like we're spinning our wheels here, we need to do something different. So those experiences are four days, five couples, two Christian therapists, usually a male and a female. Doesn't always work out that way. But that's a WinShape Retreat in Rome, Georgia, about two hours north of Atlanta. And those are run by three partner ministries that we have. We have Focus on the Family, we have the Center for Relational Care, and The Hideaway Experience. They run the programmatic element of everything, and we provide the space for those experiences to happen. We provide hospitality. It is an incredibly transformative experience for couples that go through that. The retreats, again, happen at WinShape retreat. And those are weekend events, usually on Friday afternoon through Sunday. And that's more for like the general public who just say, Hey, we want to do something for marriage. It's time to invest, time to get away. Our retreats are for couples who really want to make the time and space for something new in their relationship. So they're there at WinShape Retreat and a few other places around the country we do our retreats occasionally. But they're just saying, Let's kind of get a refresher course here. [00:06:40] So we provide them with grace-based hospitality, we provide them with this beautiful setting where they can just come together, draw closer to each other, and draw closer to the Lord. And through the program and through the chance to get them together, as opposed to hearing from us. We don't have to be the experts in everything. We would like couples to have an amazing experience. It's very powerful for couples that go through that. Lastly, the adventures that we do—I have mentioned those—the adventures that we do are chances for small groups of couples who are led by what we call a host couples, somebody who's been to one of our trainings, who's been vetted by us, we know they're in growing marriage, not a perfect marriage, but a growing marriage. And they just create these bucket list adventures and experiences for couples who are going around the world at different places, like maybe sailing in the British Virgin Islands, or hiking The Inca Trail to Machu Picchu, or trekking on the Camino de Santiago in northern Spain and a few other places where we go. But couples are getting the chance to get outside of their norm and to do something exciting, do something adventurous and do it together and achieve a goal that they couldn't necessarily achieve on their own, all while having amazing conversations and chances to introspect and look at their marriage. Laura Dugger: [00:07:51] And I know you and I have spoken previously specifically about these adventures. And you say that generally an outcome is a stronger connection, and stronger memories. But also, there's some fascinating stuff that you mentioned, even with our brain, what happens on these adventures. Dr. Matthew Turvey: So when couples get out of their normal, and we put them in a novel situation where they're faced with a challenge, which is what happens in our adventures, they start to create new memories. The more novel experience is, the more challenging the experience is, the more you have the chance for kind of a renewed sense of change or transformation perhaps in your brain, in your heart, in your spirit, in your behavior, and thus in your marriage. So we create these experiences and these adventures for couples that... they're kind of like a metaphor for their marriage. So they have an element of journey and an element of challenge. And when couples go through these experiences, they're there and they walk through these experiences. And I think, in the end, when they conquer that Inca Trail together, like say, that's like 26-mile hike over…

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    64 Stress Management, Self-Care, and Offering Grace to Important People in Our Life with Author and Speaker, Jill Savage Jul 29, 2019
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    *DISCLIAMER: This message briefly covers topics that are not suitable for little ears. 64. Stress Management, Self-Care, and Offering Grace to Important People in Our Life with Author and Speaker, Jill Savage **Transcription Below** 1 Timothy 6:6 (NIV) “But godliness with contentment is great gain.” Jill Savage is an author and speaker who is passionate about encouraging families. She is the author or co-author of twelve books. Featured on Focus on the Family, Crosswalk.com, Family Life Today and Today’s Christian Woman magazine, Jill is the founder of Hearts at Home, an organization that encouraged moms from 1994-2017. Jill and her husband, Mark, have five children, three who are married, two granddaughters and one grandson. They make their home in Normal, Illinois. At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Jill Savage’s Website Books by Jill Savage: Living With Less So Your Family Has More No More Perfect Moms Professionalizing Motherhood Better Together by Jill Savage and Anne McClane No More Perfect Marriages by Mark and Jill Savage No More Perfect Kids by Jill Savage and Dr. Kathy Koch Opening up no more perfect date night membership for 5 days (closes Aug 2nd, 2019) *Savvy Sauce Listeners can use code “seminar” at checkout for $5 off monthly subscription* Need a Next Step? Try Mark & Jill Savage’s FREE 4 week e-challenge here! Pre-order Jill Savage's newest book coming in August! 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Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** Laura Dugger: Hey everyone, I just want to take 60 seconds and give you our family update. If you don't follow The Savvy Sauce on social media, you may not know that Mark and I had our fourth daughter, Kessler Story. About two months ago, we did sneak the baby announcement into Episode 31 when Mark was my co-host for an interview we did with Clay Scroggins way back in December. Since her birth, so many of you have sent encouraging messages, you've brought us meals, prayed for our family transition, and even sent gifts. So we just want to say a huge thank you to each of you. We are so humbled at the impact of community, and we love you all so much. Also, if you want to follow us on social media, you can find us on Instagram and Facebook at The Savvy Sauce. We would love to continue the conversation with you there after each episode. [00:00:57] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:01:13] <music> Laura Dugger: I just want to let you know that there is a portion of this message that contains topics that are not suitable for little ears. Please use discretion when you listen. If you've listened to The Savvy Sauce for long, you know how much I enjoy FabFitFun, which is a seasonal subscription box. I will share more details later in this episode, specifically how you can receive over $200 worth of products for less than $40 just by using the code SAVVY at checkout when you visit fabfitfun.com. Thanks for your sponsorship. Author and speaker Jill Savage joins us today to articulate how we can enjoy the richness of relationships with our friends, our children, and our spouse. She will also share more about her own personal story, including the things that she's so thankful she did as a young wife and mom that have paid great dividends now as an empty nester who is happily married. You don't want to miss all these practical and fun life applications. Here's our chat. [00:02:21] Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jill. Jill Savage: Well, thank you. It's good to be with you. Laura Dugger: Well, I know that we're going to cover so many topics today, but will you start us off by telling us a bit more about your family and your ministry? Jill Savage: Absolutely. I am a mother of five, and I am Nana to three. We live in Normal, Illinois, and we have a lot of fun with that name. Our kids went to Normal schools, we go to a Normal church. Honestly, my life work is about helping people know what is normal in motherhood, in marriage, life and for us to learn to accept what is normal and learn how to embrace the imperfect in our life. So I have a real heartbeat, particularly for moms and marriages. My kids are all grown. The youngest is 23 and the oldest is 34. So they are all young adults. My husband and I are empty nesters. In fact, I have a new book coming out called Empty Nest, Full Life. So I'm really excited about that as well. [00:03:29] Bottom line, I minister to moms and marriages. I led the ministry Hearts at Home for 24 years, which was an organization that encouraged moms. Then for the last couple of years, my husband and I have launched what we call JAM Savage Ministries, which stands for Jill and Mark Savage Ministries. We do marriage coaching, marriage retreats, I speak at women's events, and do a lot of ministry online through the blog, and just absolutely love bringing hope and help to moms and marriages. Laura Dugger: Well, your bio is remarkable. You've spoken to so many audiences and I know that one of your popular topics is living with less so your family has more. Will you elaborate on that vision? Jill Savage: Yeah. Living With Less was one of my favorite books. It's no longer in print, but there's lots of used copies out there. And it's in the library system as well. [00:04:33] But the concept of living with less so your family has more is that we can live with less stress, less activities, and less money than what is culturally acceptable. And bottom line, living with less so your family has more is about standing up to adult peer pressure. Whether we realize it or not, whether we label it that or not, the truth is we all deal with peer pressure in some way, shape, or form. And so that's really what living with less so your family has more is about, is learning to do the right thing for your family regardless of whether it's the popular thing that others are doing. Laura Dugger: Where do you see our culture having abundant excess currently and what is actually limiting that we might be unaware of? Jill Savage: Well, I think that as moms, as parents, we want to give our kids the best. So we want to give them every opportunity. [00:05:33] We want to make sure that they are able to try all the sports and that they have music lessons and all of that, which is important and it's valuable. And our kids do need to find out where their talents lie and have the opportunity to try things. But I think that sometimes what we miss is that sometimes they need time with us, not just time when we are going back and forth to activities. They need white space in their life. In the same way that we can read a book because of the white space around the edges on the margin and behind the words, we need white space in our life. And oftentimes we are just filling, filling, filling our kids' schedules and our own schedules, and that may not actually be what they need. So we can live with less activities so we can enjoy more quality time. We can live with less money so that we can enjoy maybe a simpler home environment where maybe one parent is at home and one is working. [00:06:44] So sometimes we are only thinking about the things that bring more by doing more. And what we have to realize is when we actually slow down our pace down, we can actually experience more. And sometimes that “more” is a more in our soul. That's really what we need to experience as well as our kids. Laura Dugger: I just think it's fascinating to hear you talk about this because we're hearing so much about the minimalist movement. Do you have any personal stories of how your family executed this idea? Jill Savage: Well, you know one thing, for instance, when our kids were growing up, we didn't have cable television. I mean a lot of people did but we didn't. It came down to money. We were a one-income family. My husband was working full-time, I was a stay-at-home mom. There were things we wanted to do. Each of our kids could only do one activity. You know, did they want to do more than that? Sure they did. But when we looked at it and we said, all right, there is the possibility of you being able to do all these activities, there's the possibility of us having cable television, you name it, whatever else we wanted. [00:08:00] But in order to do that, I have to go to work. I have to work outside the home. So when we look at what that will cost us, is that in line with our values? And it wasn't. We had to look at it and go, no, it's not a trade-off we want to make. Every family has to decide what's right for them. We could make it in this world on one income. One time... I will never forget this. It was an article in our local newspaper, and they asked this question. They said, is it really about the high cost of living, or is it about the high cost of the way we choose to live? I can remember reading that and that just really stuck with me. Because I was like, wow, I need that reminder. And I realized, no, we are choosing to live without cable television. We are choosing to live without extra activities that our kids do. [00:09:03] We are choosing to buy clothes at a second-hand store rather than new clothes. But we are choosing to do that because we value that one of us is home at least during this particular season of our life. Laura Dugger: And you've published so many books in addition to sending out a newsletter periodically. But in one of those newsletters, I remember you wrote that the typical mom has about 17 minutes a day to herself. And I think you're very accurate. So it leads me into another question. Why are you so passionate to help women understand that taking care of themselves is actually taking care of their family? Jill Savage: I'll tell you what, anything that I'm passionate about is because of my own journey in that area. You know, in the beginning when my husband and I got married, for us the stick turned blue at 11 months. So we obviously had a baby nine months later, so we hadn't even been married two years before we began our family. [00:10:12] Of course, what every mom does, you throw yourself into this. I found myself feeling very overwhelmed with life. I was also going to school full-time at the time. I had this new little baby, really was somewhat newly married, and I really didn't take care of myself. I found that I was, for a lack of a better word or a better description, I was broken down on the side of the road and somebody had to rescue me. I knew that this was not healthy. I had to figure out something different. So I began to really explore first, what is my fuel? What fills me up? Honestly, that is as different as every mom out there has a different kind of fuel. What fuels one mom, it may not fuel her best friend. So we have to know ourselves and identify what our fuel is. [00:11:13] As I began to identify that, then I began to realize that I needed to pull up the filling station on a regular basis. And that when I did that, yes, it might take time away from my kids, I might need time alone, but when I did that, I was actually able to be a better mom, to be a better wife. So I was then serving my family out of the fullness of my tank instead of trying to serve them on an empty tank. So that's why I'm so passionate about encouraging moms to identify their fuel and then to be intentional about pulling up to that filling station. And to recognize that when you do that, it's not selfish. Self-care is not selfish. It is really a part of your job description of taking care of your family and taking care of your marriage. You first have to take care of yourself so you have something to give to them. [00:12:15] Laura Dugger: How do we know then if we're not getting enough self-care or if we're getting too much? Or do you even think that's possible to get too much? Jill Savage: I suppose it's possible. I haven't met very many moms who have too much self-care. And I've been in mom ministry for almost 30 years now. I think I would have met a few along the way. But I think that the first place that we have to look is, how are we handling the everyday stuff of life? When…

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    63 Maximizing Sexual Intimacy During the 3 Most Challenging Seasons in Marriage with Christian Sex Therapist Pioneers, Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner Jul 22, 2019
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode is intended for adults 63. Maximizing Sexual Intimacy During the 3 Most Challenging Seasons in Marriage with Christian Sex Therapist Pioneers, Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner **Transcription Below** Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner are best known for their pioneer work in encouraging people of all faiths to connect their sexuality with their belief system ─ helping them embrace sex as good and of God. Dr. Clifford is a licensed clinical psychologist and Joyce is a registered nurse and clinical nurse specialist. They are highly respected authors and speakers, in addition to being parents and grandparents. Song of Solomon 1:2 “Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth - for your love is more delightful than wine." At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner’s Website Books by Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner: Enjoy! The Gift of Sexual Pleasure for Women The Married Guy's Guide to Great Sex Restoring the Pleasure The Gift of Sex: A Guide to Sexual Fulfillment Sex FAQ We Didn’t Have Time to Cover Today Thank You to Our Sponsor: Sexual Wholeness Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:07] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to the Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Today's message is not intended for little ears. We'll be discussing some adult themes and I want you to be aware before you listen to this message. As a teacher or counselor, have you ever wished you could get more training on healthy sexuality or to have better skills in helping people deal with the sexual part of their lives? Sexual Wholeness is a Christian teaching organization desiring to help you accomplish this goal through classes and helpful resources. Visit them online at sexualwholeness.com. We enjoyed Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner so much on a previous episode that we decided to bring them back to The Savvy Sauce. The Penners are best known for their pioneer work in helping people embrace sex as good and of God. Today we discuss problems and solutions related to sexual intimacy that arise in various seasons of marriage. [00:01:18] We're going to cover the times of becoming new parents, having teenage children, and effects from aging. Prepare to learn a lot. Hello, Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner. Joyce Penner: Hello there. We're so excited to be with you. Laura Dugger: Well, thanks for joining again here at The Savvy Sauce. If anyone missed our previous recording together, could you both just share a bit about yourselves and the work that you do? Dr. Clifford: Sure. We didn't grow up thinking that we were gonna be sex therapists. In fact, we both grew up as men [00:01:51] and nights and we did not have it written in our high school yearbook that this is what we're gonna strive for. We can assure you that. Joyce Penner: We are both pursuing our individual professions. I was a nursing professor. And Cal State LAN was actually in charge of developing the curriculum for a new school of nursing at Azusa Pacific University here in California. Dr. Clifford: Which I should quickly say… which is now ranked as one of the top ten nursing schools in the nation. Joyce Penner: Just came out. Dr. Clifford: So, that's a proud thing. As a result of my being asked to talk to a group of women about talking to their kids about sex, and then being asked to teach a course for women on sexual adjustment in marriage, we joined our professions because I didn't want to do it alone on the subject that I wasn't feeling like I was that much of an expert on. And so we started teaching in 1975. So this is 43 years ago. [00:02:54] Joyce Penner: We're kind of known as the pioneers in the field of helping the church integrate sexuality as a gift from God. Dr. Clifford: Then we got trained so that we had some real knowledge about this area. Then in 1979-80 we were asked to write our first book, The Gift of Sex. Our most recent books, our 10th and 11th book just came out this past September. Enjoy! The Gift of Sexual Pleasure for Women and The Married Guy's Guide to Great Sex. Joyce Penner: But each step of the way we feel like we have been called and led to this and see it as such a gift for us personally that we have followed that leading. It's been very fulfilling to see that we can make a difference in couples lives and there's a lot of hope when things aren't going the way you want them to go. Dr. Clifford: One of the delights has been that since we do this together we've gotten to go all over the world teaching this, from Singapore to Indonesia to Africa, Europe, all over. So it's been a delightful life even though it wasn't what we planned, wasn't what my mother approved of. [00:04:08] Laura Dugger: Glad for your work and contribution. Let's just dive right into a specific season that presents many challenges in intimacy. Because a lot of our listeners are new moms or moms with children still at home. So maybe for that first-time mom, what can she expect after childbirth? Joyce Penner: We always say just to review that the three seasons that are probably the most difficult are when you first have children, then when the children become teenagers, and then health changes of aging. So those are probably the three most challenging. So let's talk to new moms first. The statistics show that after the first child, or even maybe the beginning of the first pregnancy, sexual frequency goes down significantly. Dr. Clifford: Well, the research shows it goes to about half of what it was before. This is pretty common. We're not saying that's how it should be or that that's an excuse, but it is a fact. And why is that? Because the woman's focus obviously changes to this little baby inside her or the one that's crying in the next room or the one that's nursing off of her. [00:05:19] Joyce Penner: Well, and the couple's focus changes too, not just hers. Dr. Clifford: That's right. Joyce Penner: But then her body changes, and the hormones change, and especially with breastfeeding. To breastfeed you have to have large surge of prolactin, and prolactin shuts down sexual desire and response. And so all of that energy goes into nursing, feeding the baby, and all of that hormonal surge. Dr. Clifford: Well, and then you may have experienced some physical trauma in the birth that causes pain when a couple reunites. Digressing maybe a little bit here. When a couple is gonna have their first sexual experience after they had a baby, we always encourage them to take it almost like a new experience, like a wedding night experience where they're gonna come at it very thoughtfully and slowly guided by the woman and perhaps not even end up having sexual intercourse with the first sexual contact and move into it very much like we talk about in our book getting your sex life off to a great start. Joyce Penner: So that if there is pain or changes that have happened, which, well, there will be changes that have happened in the whole sexual birth passageway, so those things have to be accommodated for those changes. And making sure it's a positive experience. [00:06:43] The main thing we recommend during those years is to keep connected, to be intentional about your sex life, to be intentional about staying connected sexually, even if it isn't that you're having actual sexual intercourse as frequently, making sure that you make it the best it can be given your reality. Dr. Clifford: And this is often when our sexual experiences shift from growing out of interest and desire and shift to them happening out of a decision for them to happen. See, all of us would like to have our sexual experiences when we're both turned on and both want it. That's the most fun. But once babies come along or the husband is working later, the wife is working late, or whatever it may be- Joyce Penner: The external stresses of life pull your energy away from being intimate with each other Dr. Clifford: Then it is most likely to happen by decision, because if you just waiting for desire it may be a long wait. But if you decide you're gonna be sexual and then set it up in the best way it possibly can under your circumstances, then it can bring about interest and desire as you get into the experience itself. [00:08:10] Joyce Penner: So in other words, taking time in your life to determine when you're going to be together and how you're going to make it happen and who's going to initiate. Babies seem to know when their mom and dad want to have sex. If they've been sleeping through the night, that's sure the time they're going to wake up and cry. Dr. Clifford: Yeah, they seem to have some kind of radar that picks that up. But the main point is that once you get into the stressful part of life, like with kids, then it is most likely that it's going to happen because you decide for it to happen rather than just out of the spontaneous passion and desire. Laura Dugger: I love that you say you'll still enjoy it even when you decide, but that you're more likely to enjoy it if you've decided ahead of time. And sometimes once you're already in that mode, the arousal may come after stimulation. Joyce Penner: Yes. Yeah. You may not move into it feeling like it, but when you have the time to cuddle, to be close, if there isn't demand and it's mutual and you're both going for it, and you're both free to allow yourselves to move as you're ready, and there's that freedom with each other, then it usually ends up being very positive. [00:09:25] We just have to change our expectations. If you're thinking that you're going to wait until it's the way it was before you had kids, as Cliff said, you'll do a lot of waiting. Dr. Clifford: Now, I think we need to specifically address the pain issue though. Joyce Penner: Right, yes. Dr. Clifford: Because of episiotomy or whatever happened during the birth time- Joyce Penner: Any tearing, any trauma. Dr. Clifford: And even if it was a cesarean, then you've got the incision kind of issues. So let's talk about that. Joyce Penner: Well, the main thing we want to say there, do not continue any sexual activity that triggers pain because pain perpetuates more pain. It's just like when people have their back go out, they give muscle relaxant. Because when your back hurts, if you move or sit in a certain position, you tense your muscles. The more you tense your muscles, the more it hurts. So it makes it worse and worse rather than getting better. The same thing is true with vaginal pain. If it hurts and you keep doing it, the pain's going to get worse and worse, not better. [00:10:30] Dr. Clifford: Well, and then, obviously, that will reduce desire, and in all likelihood will even reduce arousal, because you're not likely to get aroused when it's hurting, and for sure you're not going to have an orgasm when it's hurting. Joyce Penner: You know, do you choose to go to the dentist? Yes, because you need to. But you don't need to have sex with pain. Laura Dugger: That's good. And so that may be a time, if somebody is listening to this and that's their experience right now, we would certainly recommend reaching out for professional help. And there is hope. Joyce Penner: Yes. That's for sure. There is help. The most effective help available today for pain with sex is pelvic floor physical therapy. And you can go to pelvicpain.org and find a provider in your area. Dr. Clifford: These are people who are specifically trained to deal with the muscles in the pelvic region. So they can identify the source of the pain and work with a physician and a therapist or whatever to help you get past that pain so that you can move on to an enjoyable, pain-free sexual experience. [00:11:41] Joyce Penner: But in today's world, when somebody comes to us with pain, we start with referring them to a pelvic floor physical therapist. Laura Dugger: That's very helpful. You mentioned another stage where a lot of people say it's difficult is when their children become teenagers. Dr. Clifford: Yeah. One of the main reasons for that is be…

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    62 Unexpected Grief and What Helped Me Through It Can Help You Too with Singer and Blogger, Brittany Price Brooker Jul 15, 2019
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    62. Unexpected Grief and What Helped Me Through It Can Help You Too with Singer and Blogger, Brittany Price Brooker **Transcription Below** Colossians 3:2 (NIV) “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.” At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Connect with Brittany Price Brooker on Instagram and Facebook @brittanypricebrooker Brittany Price Booker’s Website Hidden in My Heart: A Lullaby Journey Through Scripture The One Year Book of Hope by Nancy Guthrie Brittany Price Booker’s Full List of Recommended Resources Daily Audio Bible Thank You to Our Sponsor: FabFitFun #fabfitfunpartner (Enter Code: SAVVY at checkout to receive $10 off your first box) Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: I want to say thank you to our sponsor, FabFitFun. If you want to learn more about their seasonal subscription boxes, which include over $200 worth of full-size products that cost you only $49.99, visit them at fabfitfun.com. And if you use the coupon code SAVVY at checkout, you'll receive $10 off your first box. We appreciate all your feedback that you've sent through messages on our website and social media. Many of you have mentioned you love the series titled Everyone Has a Story. We agree with you because it seems God does amazing things through each person's story, especially when it's shared. Today we get to hear Brittany Price Brooker's story of deep grief and unwavering faithfulness for God. You're going to be so encouraged through the scripture that she brings to life and the wisdom that she shares from lessons learned in her unexpected path. Here's our chat. [00:01:23] Welcome to the Savvy Sauce, Brittany. Brittany Price Brooker: Hey, girl. Oh, I love being with you today. Laura Dugger: Well, we are just going to jump right in. You have a powerful testimony where joy and sorrow intersect. And so will you just share that story with us? Brittany Price Brooker: Yeah, I would love to. I think my story really starts back from growing up in a godly home and really kind of just seeking the Lord at an early age as I watched my parents seek the Lord and watch how they did life. And I think at an early age, you really catch what your parents are doing rather than just watching it and from them teaching you, but you really can catch what they're just seeking on. I had that life that I'd always dreamed about. I had what my mind thought like the perfect husband and godly man who loved Jesus, who was funny and tall and handsome. We had three little baby boys and was just living the dream of being a wife and a mother. [00:02:25] I was the little girl that always pretended when I was little to have a husband and kids. I would often tell my husband, I'm literally living my dream right now, even though I was exhausted. In the fall of 2015, I had three kids under the age of three. Our life was like whack-a-mole. You get one kid down from the nap, you put the next one down, they get up, and it was just crazy. My house was just a mess all the time. You know, you find their kids slushing everything down the toilet or, you know, scrubbing the toilet with your toothbrush like an expert. And you think, oh my word, how many times have they been doing this? And this is the first time I caught them. Like, this is crazy. Then one morning, my husband got up to go to work. And at this point, we had a newborn, a one-and-a-half-year-old and almost three-year-old. And he said, "You know, we didn't sleep much last night. I'm just going to go ahead and go early to work." I remember I was dealing with a lot of pain at the time from childbirth, and we had some difficulties with my health afterwards. [00:03:29] I remember thinking, "Oh, I need to tell him that I've been in pain tonight, and I need your help a little bit more tomorrow night." But the Holy Spirit just said, "Brittany, don't say anything." So instead, I was like, "Baby, you look so hot in your suit, and I hope you have an awesome day. I love you, baby. I'll see you soon." I said goodbye to him, got all my little babies ready to go to Bible study, which we did every Tuesday morning, so I was not out of ordinary. I dropped them off. They went to class good, and I sent my husband a quick text and just said, "You'd be so proud of them. They did so good in class." We went into small group, and at the time we were studying Revelation, and the question was posed, you know, why do you study prophecy anyways? I was feeding my little newborn, and I remember just saying, "For me, I study prophecy because it gives me confidence to trust God no matter what happens in my life." Literally moments after speaking those words, my phone rang. And like any good Bible study girl, I ignored it the first time. But the second time, I felt like the Holy Spirit said to answer, it was something with Patrick. And so I answered the phone and it was my husband's boss on the other line. [00:04:38] And he said, "Hey, has Patrick been sick?" And I said, "No, I mean, he's a perfectly healthy 30 year old man. I just saw him this morning. Everything's fine. You know what happened?" And he's like, "Oh, he fell at work. We took him to the hospital. We're gonna come get a vehicle to come get you to bring you here." And I was like, "Okay great." Just kind of thinking, Okay, maybe he got dehydrated, you know, we're tired, we have all these kids, something he's probably cracking up with all the nurses right now. He was just so funny, always cracking jokes with everybody. It was raining very, very hard in Atlanta where we lived at the time. And so they said, "You know what? We don't really want you driving in the rain, and we're going to put our lights on so you can get there a lot faster. So just hang on a second. We'll get to you." I figured out child care with my kids, and I waited in the rain for over an hour for these vehicles to come get me. And I'm just thinking, "Can I just get in my car and see my man? I just want to get to my hubs, please." So what felt like forever as I was sitting there in the rain and just kind of pacing back and forth in front of that church where the Bible study was, was one of those moments I'll never forget where God wasn't just laying a verse on my heart, He was screaming it in my mind and heart. [00:05:54] And all I could think of was the peace that passes all understanding will guard your hearts and your mind in Christ Jesus. As that vehicle pulled in front of that church and I got in the back and the officer saying, "I'm so sorry, I don't know what happened, the Holy Spirit just kind of took over." And I said, "Whatever it is we can trust God that He's in control." It took another hour to get to the hospital where my husband was at. I remember getting out and the Lord just impressing on my heart, "Brittany, remember every bit of this. You need to remember." And so just little details that I wouldn't have normally picked up on a homeless man right there. I just remember feeling like he felt so cold, and it was raining, and I wish I could do something. But I was trying to get to my man, and this taxi driver, and all these pedals, and just this trash, and little details, I was remembering. And I was running in there, and ran past security, and I ran as fast as I could. I remember running in a hallway, and the hallway was full of people with sorrow all over their faces. [00:06:59] And I knew it was coming. And they sat me down and they said, "Brittany, we're so sorry, but Patrick died. His heart just stopped beating and we don't know why." And in that moment, at the age of 25, with three kids under three, I became a widow and my kids became fatherless. And my entire world changed. I remember just saying, "The Lord gives and takes away. He is so good." And I started to sing a song I hadn't thought of in so long of, you know, precious Lord, take my hand, lead me on, help me stand. And it's just like a song God gave me in that moment. But in that second, my entire world changed. Every dream I have, every hope, every vision I had of what my family was going to look like. You know, everything in your life involves that other person that you do life with, the person that is your home. And so that began just really crazy journey of grief and layers upon layers of grieving and pain and walking through my babies, through losing their daddy, who is their hero in every way. But also in that process, it's been one of the sweetest journey of my entire life, because I've gotten to see the goodness and the preciousness of our faithful Father in a way I could have never, ever imagined. [00:08:24] And you see the layer of God's goodness in the midst of pain. So that's a little bit of our pain journey. Fast forward and several years later, as I walked through that journey and God called me not just to stay in my pain, but to walk through it and to shift my perspective to heaven instead of the grave. In the process of doing that, I just started bumping into all these people that were dealing with pain. Because, you know, 100 percent of us will deal with struggles and pain in our lives. The difference is not if we'll have pain, but the difference is how will we steward the pain that we're given? I started to share a story in the midst of it. I came across this family that was going through this terrible hardship, and this other widower was ministering to the same family. He had lost his wife a month before I had lost Patrick. And they had two small children that they had adopted and this crazy story. So we started helping out this family and our paths crossed, and we started building a friendship that was really centered on the kingdom of God and heaven and living for eternity in the midst of this broken world, but also living with hope and desiring to give hope to other people. [00:09:38] God started just really building a love story that only He could do. About a year and a half ago, I got married to Daniel Brooker. They call us the Brooker Bunch because when we got married, we had five kids, six and under, and it was a crazy zone. So that kind of fast forward just a little bit to today and now walking through our life today. Laura Dugger: That is such an incredible story. I've heard it said before that worship is warfare. And you even alluded to a song coming to your heart. Did you have any other tools like worship that you use to really push back the darkness during those most intense times of grief? Brittany Price Brooker: Yeah. You know, I really felt like the Lord made known to me what you hear about in Scripture, a sacrifice of praise. And why it's called a sacrifice is because it hurts. Anything that we do that's sacrificial, it's taking something away from our comfort, from our security. When we're giving sacrificially, it's not because, oh, we have all this extra. It's because it kind of hurts to give that, you know? And we feel that. [00:10:46] I remember just even being in church one day and just wrestling with God, like here I'm sitting alone in church. And I had this little tiny baby on me, and I'm like, "God, I, literally weeks ago, was sitting next to my husband in this church service." And God just said, "Brittany, will you give me a sacrifice of praise even when it still hurts?" And I remember with tears just pouring down my face, just raising both hands in the air and just worshiping God for who He was. I think that in the midst of going through brokenness and pain, God is calling us to wage warfare and a sacrifice of praise and praising God even when we are not feeling it and speaking out of truth and not out of our feelings. Because our feelings can deceive us. There was not a moment, still honestly, that I don't feel some sort of pain or sorrow that we deal with. But there's also not a moment, if we choose to view it, that we can't fe…

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    61 Marital Communication and Intentional Family Life with Author, Speaker and Podcaster, Susan Seay Jul 08, 2019
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    61. Marital Communication and Intentional Family Life with Author, Speaker, and Podcaster, Susan Seay **Transcription Below** James 1:19 (NIV) “My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry," Susan Seay is an author, podcaster, and speaker. She is a married mom with 7 kids who sees motherhood as a calling and a privilege. Her goal is to create a home where her family can thrive - physically, emotionally, financially, and spiritually. She and her husband have broken free from the burden of perfection, and she models a life that invites us to do the same! At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Susan Seay’s Website Mentor 4 Moms Podcast Episode 32: Mentor 4 Moms Podcast (Episode with Susan and Her Husband on Feeling Like a Single Parent in a Married Relationship) Connect with Susan Seay on socials: @susanlseay Intentional Parent Thank You to Our Sponsor: FabFitFun #fabfitfunpartner (Enter Code: SAVVY at checkout to receive $10 off your first box) Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: I want to say thank you to our sponsor, FabFitFun. If you want to learn more about their seasonal subscription boxes, which include over $200 worth of full-size products but cost you only $49.99, visit them at fabfitfun.com. And if you use the coupon code SAVVY at checkout, you'll receive $10 off your first box. Susan Seay is my guest today, and she is a parent, an author, a podcaster, and a well-known speaker. You're going to love this candid conversation where she shares the highs and lows of parenting, the lies we believe, and the truths that we can replace those lies with in order to enjoy this calling to the max. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Susan. Susan Seay: So good to be here. Laura Dugger: Can you just start us off by sharing more of your story? [00:01:17] Susan Seay: Well, I am a mom to seven living in Austin, Texas. I am one of those people who, when I had my first child, I absolutely just fell in love with motherhood. I just thought, I'm smitten. I'm no good for the marketplace, for corporate, which is the direction I thought I would go. I had this life plan. I was going to finish college, get my degree, go and work in the workforce two to three years, and then get married and have kids. Like I just had this plan. And instead, we got married while we were still in college. I still had one more year of school and my husband was in grad school. And then two days before I walked the stage to graduate and get my degree, we found out we were expecting our first. So I went from college to home and have not regretted a moment of it, even though none of it is the way I thought life would go. Laura Dugger: After that first blessing that you found out about, can you get us up to date now? How many are in your family currently? [00:02:24] Susan Seay: So we have seven. We have one boy, six girls. Most people love to know, like, where does our son fall? He's the oldest. He's 22, and my youngest is 9. Laura Dugger: So quite the age range. You also homeschool them, is that right? Susan Seay: I do. We've been homeschooling for 18 years. Laura Dugger: And did you always want a big family and envision yourself homeschooling? Susan Seay: None of that. Like, no. My husband, when we were dating, he... and we talking about, you know, you want a family, you want kids. He was like, Yes. I'd like one, maybe two kids. And I was like, Well, that's good, because I want two, at most three, and that's it. As I already shared with you, I was smitten. I found myself saying, just one more, just one more. Every time we had a baby, I was like, Just one more. All of our friends were completely hitting the done button, right? They were like, we've had our two, we've had our three, we're done. And I was like, "I don't know if I have that button. And if I do have it, maybe it's broken. Like, why am I still wanting more kids, and everybody around me is done already and not even interested in having more?" [00:03:40] I just found myself really excited about the growth of our family and eager to just have all the children that the Lord really had for us and seeing what this adventure would become and unfold. It's been an adventure for sure. It ain't been all roses and happy days, but it's nothing that I regret. And I'm so glad. But when we had number seven, I finally felt that completion. I finally felt like now we're done, like our family is complete. Everybody's here who's supposed to be here. It was really this... it's a surreal moment of completion and peace. And that's where we are. Laura Dugger: I love that, the peace that comes when God directs your family. I'm so curious, have you always been this intentional since having one child in the home? Or what did that journey look like to become such an intentional family? Susan Seay: I think somewhere deep within me, it's always been there. [00:04:43] I don't know that I fully recognized it or appreciated it until it was put in the context of motherhood. I think in the past, growing up, words that were used about me were natural leader, organizer, gatherer of people, that kind of thing. On the negative side, bossy, always being in charge, always speaking up, always have an opinion. So whether it was people encouraging me or people frustrated by my skill set, it wasn't until it was put into the context of motherhood that I started to really begin to see the benefits of the gifts that God just naturally put within me. And then I just had this inner hunger for more resources to help me cultivate that in a way that was God-honoring, so that I wasn't bossy and hovering and just being teamed too much with my kids and with my husband. I just had this hunger for resources to help me to manage those skills in a way that would create the loving environment that I felt like our home should have. [00:05:48] Laura Dugger: That's so fascinating because God clearly gave you this amazing personality and now you're stewarding it to bless the lives of so many, myself included. From your story that you've shared, it sounds like you have littles, middles, and big kids. So from your experience so far, what has been your hardest phase of parenting? Susan Seay: I will say it this way. I think the hardest part of the journey of motherhood for me has been this one particular lie. There are several lies that I've believed over time, but this one particular one is a hang up for me. And that is this expectation that at the next phase it's going to get easier. So when I had little ones and I was up all night and up all day and I just never felt like I got time to myself, my body wasn't my own, my time wasn't my own, nothing in my house was my own, it had spit up or, you know, potty training residue everywhere. You know what I mean? Like it's just like what happened to my life is kind of how I felt myself feeling. I kept thinking when they get a little bit older, this will get easier. And then they got a little bit older and there's the sibling bickering and fighting and whining and there's people starting to get involved in activities, and that's encroaching on, air quote, my time. [00:07:14] And there's just this next phase of needs and challenges. And I thought, you know what? When they get a little bit older, it'll get easier. And I keep believing that every phase, the next phase will be easier than this one. And now that I'm here and I have three adult-age children, I still think I'm trying to figure out when does it get easier? And I realized, No, I just bought into that lie, hook, line, and sinker, that the older they get, the more independent with their own lives it'll get easier. I have now found that that's not the case. Motherhood is not about easy, but it is about purpose and intention if we allow it to be. Laura Dugger: That's a good truth to replace that with. I can definitely relate to buying into that lie. It helps just to put verbiage around it. I know that you've mentioned before that there was even a time when you felt like a single parent. So will you bring us back to that season and then share how it was redeemed? [00:08:19] Susan Seay: Yeah. That one was a very difficult season in our marriage and in our family. Gratefully, I think our kids were young enough that they didn't really understand all that that meant for me personally. And it's been a journey for my husband to really understand what it meant for me. But that season was marked by a time when... my husband and I are both entrepreneurial and he had a corporate job that was paying the bills and taking care of the needs until we could be in a position to have our own business, which was always our goal. He was working really hard to grow the business. That meant that he just spent more and more time on the needs of the business and all that was happening after he finally reached that mark where he could leave his corporate job. And that was... goodness, we've had our own business now close to 18 years or right at 18 years. So it's been an amazing journey. [00:09:18] But, you know, when you have a new business, it needs almost as much as a newborn baby. Right? Like it needs everything and it needs so much of your time and so much of your resources. So he was pouring into that, which meant that everything in our household pretty much came to me. And if you were to put down a list of like who was handling meals, that was me. And who was handling the house, that was me. And who was handling kid fights, that was me. And who was reading them the Bible and praying with them, that was me. You know, it's like one thing after another. The list just looked like a whole lot of Susan and not a whole lot of him on the list. He did the "I went to work and I earned the money". To which I don't want to discount that. I mean, we're grateful for that. And this couldn't have happened without that. But it was a lonely time for me. I just really felt like he and I were building this family together but the running and the managing and the care and nurturing of the family was all me. And I never wanted that to be our dynamic, yet that's where we found ourselves. [00:10:21] So he and I just hit this moment when my youngest was born and I took him out to a restaurant to set him down to have a conversation about it, and it didn't go well. I didn't share my words. Well, I guess I was too hurt and disappointed and frustrated and angry to really be able to express myself well. And he was stuck in a cycle of any time I did approach him, he felt defensive. Like he wanted to plead his case. You know, he was before the court. He wanted to plead his case. "I'm doing the best I can and I'm doing all I can to provide for you guys." You know, aren't you well taken care of? Like, what am I doing wrong? We finally came to a point where we could finally hear each other. And that was huge for us. We had to learn how to lower our defenses and not treat one another as if we're the enemy, but recognize and remember that we're on the same team. And when we're on the same team, now we get to discuss our strategies and our plans and our next steps versus feeling like the other person is the one that's keeping us from winning this game. [00:11:31] Instead, we say, I need you and you need me in order for us to win this game, in order for us to run this race successfully. So when we finally heard each other, the huge aha for us was how much we were both running this independent race and hoping that the other person was okay and just not really checking in and ensuring that we were both rowing and pulling in the same direction. And so I think, if anything, the biggest lesson we've learned from that is just how important it is for us to communicate and not to assume simply because there's not huge fights and arguing or disagreements that are happening. That to not assume that means everything's okay. But that we should check in with one another and really ensure that we are united in our effort to…

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    60 Understanding the Myers-Briggs Personality Type Indicator to Improve Your Marriage, Family, and Work Relationships with Pastor, Scott Wildey Jul 01, 2019
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    60. Understanding the Myers-Briggs Personality Type Indicator to Improve Your Marriage, Family, and Work Relationships with Pastor, Scott Wildey **Transcription Below** 1 Thessalonians 5:11 (NIV) “Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.” Scott Wildey, M.Div., is a husband to Linsey (17 yrs), and father to Hunter (11) and Piper (9). He is also an Associate Pastor at Flood Church in San Diego (16 yrs), overseeing the Groups and Marrieds ministries, and feels most alive encouraging others to be all God has designed them to be. Scott is certified in the The Myers–Briggs Type Indicator, trained in The Clifton StrengthsFinder, and dabbles in the Enneagram (as a 9). He also enjoys reading theology, writing, Premier League football, trivia, 80s nostalgia, board games, Harry Potter movies, classic sneakers, The Revisionist History and Savvy Sauce podcasts, the Bible Project, Coltrane & Davis jazz, lounging in his Walmart pool, coupons, and has never met a sauce he didn’t like (try the Zhoug!). Scott knows he has lots of gray hair and often fibs that it costs a lot of money to have it look that way (since he is told every other day how gray his hair is becoming). At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Flood Church Website Posters of Your Type The Myers-Briggs Company (a more affordable option is to find a local certified trainer) Take the MBTI San Diego Chapter (or find your local APT chapter) 16 Types Website Center for Applications of Psychological Type Just My Type Book by by Michael J. Rosen and Daniel Carlson Thank You to Our Sponsor: WinShape Marriage Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: I am thrilled to introduce you to our sponsor, Winshape Marriage. Their weekend retreats will strengthen your marriage, and you will enjoy this gorgeous setting, delicious food, and quality time with your spouse. To find out more, visit them online at Winshapemarriage.org. That's winshapemarriage.org. Thanks for your sponsorship. Scott Wildey is my guest today. He is a pastor in San Diego, and he has years of experience helping individuals and couples learn more about their personalities through the Myers-Briggs Personality Inventory. With his storytelling and humor, he's going to unpack personality differences you may relate to in your family, marriage, and workplace. Ultimately, he will share ways we can celebrate one another's differences for a greater outcome. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Scott. [00:01:21] Scott Wildey: Thank you for having me. Looking forward to speaking with you today. Laura Dugger: Can you just start us off by sharing a snapshot of your life? Scott Wildey: I currently work in San Diego, California. I know that a lot of people are probably pitting me right now, but please do not pity that. I work for a church called Flood Church. We've existed for about 18 years. I've been working here, in full-time ministry, for over 15 years now. Before that, I was a graphic designer. I'm married to an amazing woman for nearly 17 years. Her name is Linsey, and she is a spiritual director. She meets with people and supports them and helps them to discern God's movement in their life. It's really fun to be married to her. We have two kids, an 11-year-old son who loves soccer and school and friends. Then we have an almost 10-year-old daughter. My son is Hunter, and my daughter is Piper. She's great as well. I just love being a dad and a husband and a pastor. [00:02:24] Laura Dugger: Well, you definitely have a darling family. Back when we lived in San Diego, my husband Mark and I served in one of your ministries that was called Two Become One. For anyone listening who isn't local to the San Diego area, it was a premarital counseling resource for couples. Scott, you were the guru to speak on the Myers-Briggs Personality Profile. I just remember it was so beneficial to the couples to learn more about themselves and about one another. Today, we're just going to focus on that personality profile. Can you first just give us an overview of what the Myers-Briggs Personality Test is, and then share why you think it's beneficial for couples to know their type? Scott Wildey: Sure. The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator has been around for quite a long time. I first discovered it in 2001. I went to a leadership conference through our church, and one of the presenters had us do that assessment just so we can learn more about ourselves and the people that we're working with. [00:03:25] I was so enamored by it and wanted to learn about it that I became a certified instructor in 2003 and have been really using it ever since. Essentially, it's based on a personality type theory of Carl Jung. What he did is he observed that normal, healthy people have innate differences, innate differences in how they think and view the world. He published a book on personality type. About that same time, there was a mother-daughter team in the United States that were having some similar thoughts about personality. They got a hold of Jung's book, and they basically created an assessment of his theory and their own observations. What's neat about that is this was all happening about the time of World War II. One of their motivations was that people could develop a better fit for what they were doing. They saw a lot of wasted potential during that time. Then they also wanted to have people understand themselves and other people so they could find a creative use of differences. Really motivation of peace in a time of war is a pretty amazing origin story. [00:04:44] Over the next 30 years, they developed this instrument. In 1975, it was the first time it was made available. It's now in, I think, about 110 countries or so in 30 different languages. It's research and science-based, which is great, and that's important. The other thing, what I love about it, is they wanted to put a psychological assessment into the hands of everyday people. Because at that time, only affluent people could afford to go to a psychologist and do an assessment like that. That's kind of the history behind it, and millions of people use it every day. Laura Dugger: That is fascinating. I just learned quite a bit right there in the start. If somebody does want to go find this test and take it so that they can identify their profile, where would you direct them? Scott Wildey: One thing about this particular instrument is, especially since I was certified, they really believe in the science behind it. Unfortunately, that means that the tried-and-true instruments, one has to pay for. The place that I'd recommend, and I'll give you this link, is themyersbriggs.com. It's an organization that has the rights to the tried-and-true research instrument. [00:06:00] That's the place that we send couples that go through our Two Become One course that you mentioned. That's probably where I would send people. However, if someone wants to Google to take it, they can, but it wouldn't be as accurate. Laura Dugger: That's helpful. We will definitely link to that in the show notes so they can go take the paid version if they're interested. I think it would be great for our listeners to get a snapshot about this instrument. Do you mind just going through all of the letters? Scott Wildey: Definitely. One thing that's important to know is that this is a great model, and it's a great tool. One of my favorite quotes I've learned along the way is by a statistician named George Box. He said that all models are wrong, but some are useful. This is a self-validating instrument. Even if your listeners want to see if they can self-evaluate themselves, that's usually the best way that we can begin to know our personality. [00:06:59] The other thing I think it's important to know before I introduce some of the letters is just to remind us that every individual is unique. Even though we do have some shared human attitudes and brain functions, we're all unique. Even though someone would have four letters and there are 16 possible types, we're all unique. None of the letters are value-based. What that means is that each letter is good. It would be incorrect for me to say, for example, Laura, that I'm more extroverted than you. The instrument doesn't measure a value. It actually is a category instrument, or the best way to put it is it's a sorting instrument. It's merely saying that I have a preference for extroversion. Lastly, I would say that all of us have each of these letters. It's more of what is my dominant preference. Even though I have a dominant preference for extroversion personally, I also need times of introversion, and that's true for all of us. [00:07:59] The first actually dichotomy is what they're called… is extroversion and introversion. This has to do with where we draw our energy from. People that prefer extroversion they're energized by the outer world, people, places, and things. They tend to live it and then understand it. If you can think of a metaphor of a bank, people that prefer extroversion, they're energy collectors. So if someone that prefers extroversion, maybe they haven't been around people for a long time, their bank might be empty. So every interaction they have with people or the outside world, it's like an energy deposit into their bank. People that prefer extroversion also tend to be initiators, and they like to process via talking. So for their brain to process, generally their mouth is moving. It's kind of funny, but I've seen that to be true in myself. Even though they do receive energy by the outside world, again, they need alone time, they need introverted time, but typically they need less time to recoup than someone that prefers extroversion. [00:09:12] Then lastly, about extroverts, they're about 50% of the population. Being a pastor, I like to think of, well, how might someone that prefers extroversion prefer spiritual practices? I've discovered that I enjoy spiritual practices in community or with other people. Even if it's a time of silence, I enjoy being with other people, and it really helps my spiritual walk. So I've discovered a lot of that is because I prefer extroversion. Now the other side of that dichotomy is introversion. Just like you'd expect, these are opposites. So a person that prefers introversion is energized by the inner world of ideas, thoughts, and concepts. Typically they have to understand it and then live it. They like to think it through before they speak or maybe present. Going back to that metaphor of the bank, they tend to be energy spenders. So their bank might be full if they've had a lot of alone time. Then every interaction with the outside world, including people, tends to be a withdrawal from their energy bank. [00:10:15] A lot of times in social settings they're receivers instead of initiators, like people that prefer extroversion. For their brain to process, a lot of times it means the mouth has to be closed. They generally, again, need more time to recoup, especially after social interactions. In terms of spiritual practices, a lot of people that prefer introversion I know, they actually are drawn towards solitude and silence as a way of recouping. It could be journaling or spending time alone in nature, that sort of thing. So even though we all might like that, most of my friends that prefer introversion, that's something that they really are drawn to in their preference. Something that's interesting about introverts and extroverts when we think of how we interact and work together, there's going to be a natural tension there, of course. A lot of times extroverts and introverts they tend to have conflict over when to talk about things or when to have an argument. For example, when my wife prefers introversion, whenever we have to talk about something important, I'm used to processing verbally so I want to talk about it right then and there, but a lot of times she needs some time to process an…

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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode is intended for adults 59. Enjoying Parenting and Managing Conversations About Sex with Certified Sex Therapist and Author, Dr. Jennifer Konzen **Transcription Below** Psalm 127:3 “Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward.” Dr. Jennifer Konzen is a certified sex therapist, award winning researcher, and international speaker who lives in San Diego, California. She and her husband Time have four kids. She has been a parent educator, a marriage, parenting, and sexuality seminar and conference speaker, and yes, a Broadway showtimes performer (her undergraduate degree is in Musical Theater and Vocal Performance). At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Dr. Jennifer Konzen’s Website Art of Intimate Marriage by Tim Konzen and Dr. Jennifer Konzen Redeemed Sexuality by Tim Konzen and Dr. Jennifer Konzen Intimate Marriage Cards by Tim Konzen and Dr. Jennifer Konzen Email Dr. Jennifer Konzen God’s Design For Sex Series by Stan and Brenna Jones Age of Opportunity by Paul David Tripp Thank You to Our Sponsor: Chick-fil-A East Peoria Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Today we have a returning guest, Dr. Jennifer Konzen. I want you to be aware of adult content being discussed today as we talk about having mature conversations with our children. Please use discernment if you have little ears present. Dr. Konzen has a very impressive bio because she is a certified sex therapist, award-winning researcher, international speaker, adjunct professor, author, wife to Tim, and a mother to their four grown children. Today we are focusing on parenting as Dr. Konzen shares creative ways we can connect with our kids. She also describes how we can talk about sex and purity with our children. And she gives lots of encouragement to parents. I'm thrilled to get to welcome her back to The Savvy Sauce. Today's message is brought to you by Chick-fil-A East Peoria. Stay tuned for insider tips we're going to share during the episode. [00:01:23] Welcome back, Dr. Konzen. Thanks for joining us again. Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Well, I'm glad to be here. Laura Dugger: You have always had an awesome relationship with your husband and your four kids. Could you just share your wisdom? Dr. Jennifer Konzen: I don't know that I would call it wisdom as much as the hard knocks of learning. I was just sharing with somebody the other day about how even through the ups and downs of our marriage, I think one of our strengths has always been between my husband and I that we really have a strong mutual respect for one another. I like my husband and he likes me. And so it's funny how vitally important the liking of one another and the respect for one another is. I love and adore my children, but even in the midst of all the ages that my children have been, we have always majorly prioritized our relationship. Even when they were little, you know, newly born, we were making sure we would go out and just have time with us. [00:02:26] Through all the years, we've just made sure that in the midst of parenting, because raising four of them has been full and busy, we've just made sure to work on us and keep us the priority. Like every couple, there's ups and downs in your marriage. And honestly, I tell you, the fact that my husband loves God is the single best thing about our marriage. So keeping our hearts close to God is vital so that even when you do blow it, because wives, husbands, we all blow it, how to recover from blowing it is huge. So we all have our foibles and our mistakes and our sins, but if we're relying on God, wow, it goes a lot differently on how you resolve those things. And so I'm really grateful for that in our marriage. Then we are also... we are major partners in the gospel. So we help teach people the Bible. We help couples in their marriages. We read our Bibles daily. So I can't emphasize enough how important that is. [00:03:31] But then also we have a lot of couples in our lives. So what that means is they tell us what they see in our marriage. And that's been huge. We have an older couple who mentors and disciples our marriage, and we can go to them about whatever is going on. Then we also have close friendship couples that were all quite blunt with one another. And that has been huge through the years. And then that definitely feeds over into our parenting. I have close friends who will tell me, Hey, I feel like you were a little harsh with your son there," or, "Hey, have you thought about this area of your relationship with your kids and how you need to grow in this?" So having friends that are willing to share truthful things with you about your kids is vital. Tim and I have worked really hard at making sure that we're on the same page with raising our kids. Like, we really are. We work really hard at making sure that we're thinking the same as far as disciplinary choices or even, you know, how to teach or train or help or support our kids through different things. [00:04:36] We are pretty honest with each other when we feel like we're blowing things with the kids, ways that we need to be either more nurturing or more patient or more hardline or any of those directions. So I'd say because that whole reliance on God, that whole having really supportive relationships, and then really working hard at making sure our marriage is great has really helped with everything having to do with parenting. Laura Dugger: That's incredible. A lot of our listeners today are probably in the phase of life where there's young children at home. You had four of them and you had them... were they pretty close together? Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Yeah, they're all two years apart. When my fourth was born, they were six, four, two, and a newborn. Laura Dugger: Wow. And even in the midst of that, you could have easily made excuses not to prioritize Tim. How did you do that? And what did you do that prioritized him during those early years that you're seeing the payoff even today? [00:05:37] Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Well, on a practical level, I made sure my kids went down to bed... We made sure our kids went down to bed at a very regular hour, and then we would always have an hour or two or more together every evening. Then all the years before our oldest was 12, we had a co-op of friends, so it would be like three other families, and we would watch all of the kids once a month, and then we would have three dates a month. And that was wonderful. So having, you know, like that whole, you know, it takes a village to raise a child, having a village to help with your kids so that you can get time away. Then definitely we've always had a pretty active sexual relationship, partially because I just feel like that's vital to staying connected on all levels, especially in the midst of having kids. And so prioritizing your time together sexually. So all of the above. Yeah. Oh, and going and having fun things, going and doing fun things. Huge, huge, huge, huge, can't measure. My husband is a... he really enjoys the outdoors. I do too. And so really making sure that we have fun together is vital. [00:06:43] Laura Dugger: Makes me think of that scripture: "This is my lover. This is my friend." Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Yes, big time. Laura Dugger: And you live that out well. And then also with your kids, I remember first meeting you when they were quite a bit younger, they were all still at home and you did something special with them related to like a midnight date. Could you just share about that? Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Sure. So our goal with our kids is to have time with each one of them alone each week, meaning I would have something alone with two of them one week and he would have time alone with two of them the other week and we'd kind of swap it around so that every week our kid had a time alone with one of us. Sometimes, in the busyness and craziness of life, that can be a little challenging to fit it in. And so sometimes, because while they were learning... also these were in their early years when they were learning numbers and time and the clock. So I would wake them up at midnight and say, "Look, and they'd learn about what 12 midnight meant. [00:07:48] And I'd say, "Do you want to go to Denny's?" So our date would be, our time alone would be to go to Denny's at midnight and yeah, have midnight dates. And that's how they, all four of them, learned about what midnight was. Laura Dugger: That is so fun. How did you find the energy to do that when you had young children at home? Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Well, that one only happened once every couple of years. You know, I made sure to take naps when they napped. I made sure to go to bed at a good time myself. And I made sure to eat well in the midst of that. But energy-wise, yeah... I'm probably one of those people that's kind of filled up by being with other people. So having great connected relationships really helps me have energy for my kids. But then I would definitely say good rest. I'm pretty decent at making sure that I get time to do things that I enjoy. But well, I did say even more so getting time to enjoy stuff with my husband. And so that is definitely very helpful to my energy level. [00:08:47] My husband was super supportive. He was the kind of dad that would come home and he's immediately involved with the kids. Immediately. It was never a conflict between us, which I know comes up for couples a lot, where he comes home and he doesn't help, and that kind of conflict that occurs. He was always super supportive. I tell people, just imitate him. It will help life a lot. Laura Dugger: It can be counterintuitive what you just mentioned, that making sure you're taking care of yourself actually fills you up to pour out well to others. Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Yep, yep, big time. Laura Dugger: Were there any specific things that you made sure on a daily or weekly or monthly basis you were doing to fill up yourself? Dr. Jennifer Konzen: Well, definitely being in the Bible and praying every day. I also really enjoy reading, so I'll find time to tuck myself away to do that. I live in San Diego, California, so I love going to the cliffs. Even now, as my kids are older, I have an electric bike and I will ride it to the ocean and enjoy the view or I'll ride it around a lake by our house. [00:09:59] So I think, for me, intellectual stimulation is huge. I really enjoy reading and learning just on an ongoing basis. And then also I I really enjoy goofing around and having fun with friends, and so prioritizing fun with friends is Then I would say on an overall basis, I do really like to get out in nature. And so almost all of our vacations growing up with the kids have been road trips and camping. We've literally seen probably most of the national parks throughout the states and camped there and enjoyed the wilderness and climbed and hiked and walked around lakes. That definitely feeds my soul. There's nothing like having a prayer time in the midst of the incredible beauty of anywhere in California, all of the Southwest, Colorado, and then really anywhere we've gone in the United States. It really helps my own enjoyment of God and His creation, and really teaching that to my kids in the midst of it. So that definitely fills me up. [00:11:00] Laura Dugger: Let's take a quick break to hear a message from our sponsor. Sponsor: Today's episode is brought to you by Chick-fil-A East Peoria. Here's a few insider tips that you may not know about Chick-fil-A East Peoria. 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