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71. Deep Dive into the Enneagram with Your Enneagram Coach, Beth McCord **Transcription Below** Psalm 139:13+14 (NIV) “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb, I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Beth McCord is the founder of Your Enneagram Coach. She has been an Enneagram speaker, coach and teacher for over 15 years. Beth is passionate about coming alongside individuals and helping them re-write their story, allowing them to see that lasting change, meaningful relationships, and a life of deep purpose is possible. This passion is what drove her to create this community, a safe place for individuals to explore the Enneagram. Beth is now leading the industry in simplifying the deep truths of the Enneagram from a Biblical perspective. Beth's passion is to make the Enneagram accessible for everyone, anywhere, so they can experience the transformation they long for. This includes one-on-one coaching, in-person events and workshops and online courses. She also offers training and support for those interested in becoming an Enneagram coach. At home, Beth's favorite hobbies are studying and producing helpful Enneagram resources, fly fishing, and driving through the beautiful hillsides of Tennessee with her family. Beth lives outside of Nashville and has been married to her best friend, Jeff, for 22 years (Type 6, Loyal Guardian). They have two teenage children (a Type 6, Loyal Guardian and a Type 2, Supportive Advisor). Combining the gospel and the Enneagram has been instrumental in Beth and Jeff's marriage and parenting. Beth’s Website Connect with Beth on Instagram @yourenneagramcoach Beth’s Free assessment Beth is offering The Savvy Sauce listeners $10 off either Discovering You or Exploring You when you use the code: 10OFF. The Discovering You course is also INSIDE Exploring You so we encourage that option! 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Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: I want to say thank you to our sponsor, Peoria Christian School. They are raising a generation of 21st-century Christian leaders right here in central Illinois. Visit their website at peoriachristian.org. Thanks for your sponsorship. I am just thrilled to welcome back a returning guest, Beth McCord. Beth is an Enneagram coach and she's returning today to take a deeper dive into a few more nuances of the Enneagram. I hope this episode helps you understand yourself and others in your life a little bit better. Here's our chat. Welcome back to the Savvy Sauce, Beth. Beth McCord: Yeah, thanks for having me. Laura Dugger: Well, if anybody missed our previous episode, will you share a bit about yourself and your work? Beth McCord: Yes. My name is Beth McCord. I live in Nashville, Tennessee. Been married for 24 years to my husband, Jeff. We have 2 kids, a 20-year-old son and an 18-year-old daughter. I have been studying the Enneagram for about 17, 18 years now. [00:01:28] But as a good old 9, type 9, for those that have learned about the Enneagram, I hid most of the time and maybe shared it with a few people along the way until I really felt God waking me up and calling me out to do what I'm doing now, which is a business called Your Enneagram Coach, where I coach others, but also teach others how to become Enneagram coaches, so that others can be free from self-condemnation, fear, and shame, and instead experience and know Christ's unconditional love, forgiveness, and freedom that He offers us. Laura Dugger: Well, I know I'm one of many who are very grateful that you stepped out into the light to do all of that. In a previous episode, we did a rundown of all the numbers and personalities. So listeners should definitely start there. But now if you've already finished that episode, Beth, you had mentioned that each number can be in a healthy or unhealthy state. Beth McCord: Yes. Laura Dugger: So now that we know the background of each number, will you teach us more about lines and how each number appears when the person is both in a healthy and unhealthy place? [00:02:37] Beth McCord: Yeah. So when someone looks at the symbol, and I'm sure you'll have it in your show notes, there is a 9-pointed geometric figure. So it looks like a 9-pointed star, basically. Each personality type is connected to 2 other personality types with lines. You can think of these lines as paths: paths of stress, paths of growing. So I'm a type 9, and I am connected to both 3 and 6. So I can go to both the healthy side of 3 and 6, and all the way down to the unhealthy of 3 and 6, and anywhere in between. But what I teach in my Discovering You course, which is the best place to start, is that you typically move towards one of them when you're under stress, and you move to it in a very specific way. And this is what you're going to act like around most people when you're under stress. And then there's the other number where when you start to really grow, you're going to move towards the healthy attributes of that number. Now, again, you can utilize both healthy all the way to unhealthy on both. [00:03:38] But there's a little bit more complexity to that that I teach the people that want to be coaches and when people go through my Exploring You course. I go into that in much more detail. But just for now the under stress someone like me who's easygoing, laid-back, like everything's gonna be fine, well, when I become stressed I move to the average to the unhealthy parts of 6 now. That doesn't mean I become a 6 but I take on the attributes, and all of a sudden that easy-going laid-back positive person becomes irritable, testy, worried, anxious, my mind's racing. I'm just not that pleasant to be around. Let's just say. But the great thing about it is now that I know that this is what I do and why I do it, not only can I be more aware of, Oh, I'm under stress right now, my family can know it as well. We can all kind of go, Hey, is everything okay? Like, is there anything you need? They don't have to take it so personally. And I can actually see that maybe I'm drowning and I need help versus, why are you acting that way? So it can be really beneficial. [00:04:37] But when I'm growing, us 9s who kind of think we don't matter, we don't have much to offer, if I move towards the healthy attributes of type 3, I'll learn to have self-confidence, to assert myself, to set goals, and to pursue the calling that God has set out for me. So then when my family sees that, let's say for them doing that is like breathing air, they know for me, that's really hard. So now they know how to cheer me on because for me, that's growth. So that's what we want to do with our spouses, our friends, our children is to know them well enough to know how to lift them up in grace and forgiveness and support when they're not doing well, but also then how to cheer them on when they're growing, because growth is so, so hard. Laura Dugger: That's so helpful to have examples like that. Do you mind sharing what those lines and illustrations would look like? Beth McCord: Absolutely, yeah. The Type 1, when they're under stress, they're going to take on attributes of the average to unhealthy parts of 4, where they're going to turn this resentment, anger that they have of wanting everything to be perfect inward, and they can become depressed and kind of withdrawn and feel like people don't understand them. [00:05:50] When the Type 1 is growing, they're going to move to the healthy attributes of the Type 7, where this Type 1 who everything must be perfect and their inner critic is beating them up inside all of a sudden experiences a child-likeness, grace, freedom, and fun. The Type 2, when they're under stress, they're going to move to the average, the unhealthy parts of 8, where they're going to become more demanding, controlling, insistent, and that other people do what they say. Now, when they're doing really well, they're going to move to the healthy side of Type 4, where the 2 who's always focusing on everyone else finally realized that they have to care for themselves in order to truly give to others in a way that's selfless. So we want the 4s to understand their emotions and their needs and to take good care of themselves. The 3, when the 3 is under stress, they're going to move to the average unhealthy parts of 9, where this driven 3 suddenly becomes kind of apathetic, lazy, withdrawn. And they kind of numb out with, it could be video games, shopping, eating, you name it, whatever it is for them, some way for them to check out. [00:07:00] For the 3 to grow, we want them to move to the healthy side of 6, where it's no longer all about me, look at me, it's now about us. And it's about helping us become the best that we can be. The Type 4, when they're under stress, they're going to move to the average, the unhealthy parts of 2, where they're going to start feeling possessive of others. But at the same time, what you'll see is they'll do kind of a push-pull. They will see that others aren't as ideal as they thought. So they'll start pushing them away, but they get really afraid that they push them too far and they start to become 2-ish where they become possessive and clingy and manipulative to bring that relationship back to them. And so you'll see this push and pull dynamic. But when a 4 is doing really well, they're going to move to the healthy side of Type 1, where they're going to become grounded and principled and do more procedures to do what's right. And they'll find that actually sets them free. The Type 5, when they're under stress, they're going to move to the average, the unhealthy parts of 7. [00:08:01] So the 5 can isolate themselves for a long time and then they kind of come out into the world and around people and become very impulsive, take on new projects impulsively, I guess. They can become scattered, kind of hyperactive. But when a 5 is healthy, they're going to move to the healthy parts of 8. Where the 5 typically feels like they don't have enough knowledge to competently move forward in something, they move towards that healthy space of 8 and they competently move forward in something like, I have enough information to do this. The6, when they're under stress, they're going to move to the average, the unhealthy parts of 3, where they're going to become a little bit more arrogant. The arrogancy here is more like, I told you guys all the hundred things that could go wrong and you didn't listen to me and therefore this is happening. So that kind of arrogancy. But they also become concerned about failure. And so they probably won't take on new projects if failure is a possibility. And they do become more concerned about their image and what people think of them. [00:09:04] Now when a 6 is doing really well, this racing mind of a 6 of all worst-case possibilities slows down, gets more calm, and is still operating and going for it, but it's at a much more peaceful speed and rate so they can enjoy life more. Now the 7s, when they're struggling and under stress, they're going to move to the average, the unhealthy parts of 1, where they're going to become more critical, perfectionistic, and demand others do what is right. When a 7 is growing, they're going to move to the healthy parts of Type 5, where instead of always fleeing outward to adventure and fun. They're going to come inward and to focus on their internal world and to take care of the things that need to be taken care of internally. Now when an 8 is struggling, they're going to move to the average to unhealthy parts of 5. And this is where they all of a sudden get isolated because they're on the defense and they're stressed. [00:10:04] So they pull back and isolate and gain more knowledge to be on the offense. Now, when an 8 is doing really well, they're that snowplow I was talking about, where they're plowing paths for people. So they see everyone has needs, like a 2, they're moving to the healthy part of 2, and they see people's needs, but t…
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