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    Marketing Against The Grain

    Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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    GROK 3 vs GPT-4: The AI War Just Got Real [First Look] Feb 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 303

    What if everyone had access to human-level intelligence for free?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the groundbreaking implications of Grok 3's launch and its impact on the AI landscape. Learn more about why Grok 3 is outperforming AI giants like OpenAI and Google, how Elon Musk's access to vast resources gives him a competitive edge in this AI war, and the profound implications of democratizing intelligence in both consumer and enterprise sectors.


    Mentions

    • Grok https://x.ai/grok
    • Gemini https://gemini.google.com/
    • Nvidia https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/
    • DeepSeek https://www.deepseek.com/


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ClvfsG4vpw


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

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    Host Links:

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    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    This AI Tool Is Like OpenAI Operator But FREE (Proxy AI is INSANE!) Feb 18, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 302

    Can a small European startup outperform OpenAI?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into how Convergence AI's Proxy could change the landscape for AI browser agents. Learn more on the potential impact of Proxy being offered for free, the role of browser-based agents in unlocking new use cases, and whether Proxy's competitive edge is enough to rival OpenAI's Operator.


    Mentions

    • Convergence AI https://convergence.ai/
    • DeepSeeek https://www.deepseek.com/
    • Coinbase https://www.coinbase.com/
    • Ramp https://ramp.com/


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLGN-0kpbs4&sttick=0


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

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    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

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    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    AI Agents in 2025: Where to Start & What Really Works (No Hype) Feb 13, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 301

    Is 2025 truly the year of AI agents taking over the workforce?


    Kipp, Kieran, and guest João Moura (founder of CrewAI) dive into the evolution of AI agents, exploring their potential impacts on business operations and roles. Learn more about what truly defines an AI agent and their distinguishing components, how businesses are successfully integrating agents to enhance productivity, and the potential pitfalls and opportunities that lie ahead in leveraging AI agents to shape the future workforce.


    Mentions

    • João Moura https://x.com/joaomdmoura
    • CrewAI https://www.crewai.com/
    • Anthropic https://www.anthropic.com/
    • OpenAI Operator https://openai.com/index/introducing-operator/
    • PwC https://www.pwc.com/


    Check out the episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-N_4XU0FOk


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    This AI Analyzes Your Website Like a $10k Consultant [Tutorial] Feb 11, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 300

    Can technology replace a $10,000 consultant?


    Kipp dives into how you can harness AI tools like OpenAI's Operator to revolutionize your website analysis, saving you time and money. Learn more about leveraging LLMs like Qwen 2.5 for user experience conversion rate testing, maximizing the $200/month investment into OpenAI's Pro tier for advanced model access, and scaling website feedback and testing to outpace the competition.


    Mentions

    • OpenAI’s Operator https://openai.com/index/introducing-operator/
    • Qwen 2.5 https://qwen-ai.com/
    • HubSpot CRM https://www.hubspot.com/products/crm


    Check out the episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKy_x5zxkmE&t=1s


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    I Built 2 AI Assistants That Made Me 10x More Productive | Step-by-Step Guide Feb 06, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 299

    Can AI make you the most productive person in your company?


    Kieran dives into creating AI executive and project assistants that radically transform your workflow. Learn more about setting up efficient folder structures for automation, building AI-driven insights engines with Claude, Google Gems, and ChatGPT, and comparing the strengths of each AI platform to find the best fit for your productivity needs.


    Mentions

    • Claude https://claude.ai/
    • Google Gemini https://gemini.google.com/
    • ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbVn5IAQm7g&t=769s


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    OpenAI's Deep Research Tool DESTROYS Google Gemini (With Proof) Feb 04, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 298

    Can an AI agent revolutionize deep research in marketing?


    Kipp dives into OpenAI's groundbreaking launch of their new Deep Research product and compare it with Google Gemini's offering. Learn more about how OpenAI's Deep Research can tackle complex research tasks with unparalleled depth, how the competition with Google Gemini stacks up in terms of integration and data sourcing, and why harnessing AI for research could be a game-changer for marketers.


    Mentions

    • OpenAi Deep Research https://openai.com/index/introducing-deep-research/
    • Sam Altman https://blog.samaltman.com/
    • OpenAI o3-mini https://openai.com/index/openai-o3-mini/
    • Dan Shipper https://every.to/@danshipper


    Check out the episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ZQHC3jxBE


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    Did HubSpot Lose 80% of Blog Traffic? Here’s What Actually Happened Jan 30, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 297

    Why did HubSpot's blog traffic allegedly plummeted?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the viral controversy and break down what actually happened with HubSpot’s blog traffic decline, shedding light on the bigger picture. Learn more on the unexpected lessons for marketers from HubSpot's own journey, the importance of diversified content strategy, and how AI and search engine behaviors are reshaping the marketing landscape.


    Mentions

    • HubSpot Academy https://academy.hubspot.com/
    • The Hustle https://thehustle.co/
    • DeepSeek https://www.deepseek.com/


    Here's the YouTube episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHoJMOkL6Y&t=153s


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    Which AI Model Should You Use? (Claude vs GPT & O1 Pro Live Prompt Guide) Jan 28, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 296

    What does it take to effectively leverage advanced AI models for your business needs?


    Kipp, Kieran, and guest Sully Omar (CEO of Cognosys) dive into a comparison of leading AI models, Claude versus GPT, and give a live demo of the powerful O1 Pro. Learn more on the evolving landscape of autonomous agents and their practical applications, the nuanced differences between reasoning models and standard AI, and how to make these advanced tools work for your business.


    Mentions

    • Sully Omar https://x.com/SullyOmarr
    • Cognosys https://www.cognosys.ai/
    • Autogrid https://www.linkedin.com/company/autogrid-systems/
    • OpenAI o1 https://openai.com/o1/
    • Claude https://claude.ai/
    • Gemini https://gemini.google.com/


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNTrfvfIrN0


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    DeepSeek R1: The FREE AI That's Beating OpenAI’s o1 Model Jan 23, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep 295

    Is open source AI the future of marketing intelligence?


    Kieran dives into one of the most surprising AI launches of the past year and its implications for marketers everywhere. Learn more about how DeepSeek-R1, an open-source AI model from China, rivals the major players in intelligence and reasoning, the game-changing affordability of this new model, and how to leverage it to supercharge your marketing campaigns with real-world tactics and insights.


    Mentions

    • DeepSeek https://www.deepseek.com/
    • OpenAI https://openai.com/


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    This AI Prompt Gets You Customer Insights in 5 Minutes (Free Tool) Jan 21, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 294

    How can AI replace an $84 billion industry with just one prompt?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into how AI is revolutionizing market research, featuring insights from expert Mike Taylor (https://brightpool.dev/). Learn more about the amazing potential of AI in market research, the magic behind prompt engineering, and how you can leverage these tools to save time and money in your business.


    Mentions

    • Mike Taylor https://x.com/hammer_mt
    • “Prompt Engineering for Generative AI: Future-Proof Inputs for Reliable AI Outputs” https://amazon.com/Prompt-Engineering-Generative-AI-Future-Proof/dp/109815343X/
    • O’Reilly Media https://www.oreilly.com/
    • Grain https://grain.com/


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.



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