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    Marketing Against The Grain

    Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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    This AI Workflow Made Me 10X More Productive | Project Assistant Mar 27, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 313

    Are you maximizing the impact of AI in the simplest ways possible?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into how to set up and utilize a Project AI Assistant using tools like ChatGPT, Claude, or Gemini Gems. Learn more on maximizing the use of structured and unstructured data, creating effective templates for frequent tasks, and setting clear instructions for your AI Assistant to enhance productivity.


    Mentions

    • Want more game-changing prompts? Get the list of 1,000+ AI Marketing & Productivity Prompts: https://clickhubspot.com/env
    • ChatGPT https://openai.com/index/chatgpt/
    • Claude https://claude.ai/
    • Gemini Gems https://gemini.google.com/gems/create
    • Loom https://www.loom.com/


    Checkout this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx9zKuVL4k0&t=1s



    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research



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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    Google's Secret AI Advantage (Why DeepMind Will Dominate) Mar 25, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 312

    Is 2025 the year where a decade's worth of progress will unfold?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the rapid advancements in AI, focusing on why Google's DeepMind is poised to lead the charge with Logan Kilpatrick (Google DeepMind). Learn more on how AI's swift evolution is transforming business expectations, the unique advantages Google holds with its breadth of tools, and key AI use cases that marketers, founders, and creators can start applying today.


    Mentions

    • Logan Kilpatrick https://www.linkedin.com/in/logankilpatrick
    • Google DeepMind https://deepmind.google/
    • GPT-4 https://openai.com/index/gpt-4/
    • Gemini https://gemini.google.com/


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


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    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

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    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    How to Think Like Steve Jobs in 10 Minutes [FREE Prompt] Mar 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 311

    What if you could have Steve Jobs and Oprah Winfrey as your personal guides?


    Kipp dives into how to turn AI into your personal board of directors, transforming your approach to big projects and decisions. Learn more on selecting impactful figures for guidance, crafting the perfect AI prompts, and utilizing AI insights to overcome challenges and inspire new perspectives.


    Mentions

    • ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
    • OpenAI’s Deep Research https://openai.com/index/introducing-deep-research/


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Google Just Changed Image Editing FOREVER [Gemini 2.0 Experimental Demo] Mar 18, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 310

    Can you imagine editing any image using just text prompts?


    Kipp dives into Google's groundbreaking AI updates and the future of image editing with Gemini 2.0 Flash. Learn more about the seamless blending of text and image editing, innovative use cases like creating the perfect passport photo, and practical tips on how marketers can save time with this new tool.


    Mentions

    • Gemini 2.0 Flash https://deepmind.google/technologies/gemini/flash/
    • Photoshop https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop.html


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.



    This FREE AI Agent Does a Team’s Work in 35 Min (Manus AI) Mar 13, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 309

    Are you ready for agents like Manus AI to revolutionize entire workforces by cutting hours down to minutes?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the groundbreaking potential of the first true autonomous agent, Manus AI, and how it can perform complex tasks that once required human teams. Learn more about how Manus AI is transforming roles by building effective BDR use cases, rewriting product pages, and managing multiple social media accounts simultaneously.


    Mentions

    • Manus AI https://manus.im/
    • Claude https://claude.ai/
    • Cursor https://www.cursor.com/
    • Lovable https://lovable.dev/


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3RsdCOsuw&t=412s


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    I Had a 5-Min Convo With AI & Couldn't Tell It's Not Human | Sesame AI Mar 11, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 308

    Have you ever had a conversation with AI and felt like you were talking to your best friend?


    Kieran dives into the most impressive conversational AI experience with Sesame AI, showcasing its revolutionary capabilities in voice interaction. Learn more about the challenges and breakthroughs in AI voice technology, the emotional awareness in models like Sesame that sets them apart, and the future implications for industries such as gaming, audiobooks, and customer service.


    Mentions

    • Sesame AI https://www.sesame.com/
    • OpenAI https://openai.com/
    • Grok https://x.ai/


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkj-shdh8Gk&t=1s


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    I Run a 6-Figure Agency with ZERO Employees (AI Only) | Barbara Jovanovic Mar 06, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 307

    Are we on the brink of a future where founders operate successful agencies with no human employees?

    Get Barbera's Prompts https://offers.hubspot.com/full-stack-ai-marketing


    Kipp and Kieran dive into the innovative world of Barbara Jovanovic (Startup Cookie) and her AI-powered approach to running a six-figure content marketing agency. Learn more about optimizing AI tools for business efficiency, crafting compelling content without a human team, and scaling operations with cutting-edge technology.


    Mentions

    • Barbara Jovanovic https://www.linkedin.com/in/barbara-jovanovic-293b1a108/
    • Startup Cookie https://www.startupcookie.com/
    • ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
    • OpenAI https://openai.com/


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QbFg4kiNpY


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    Everything You Need To Know About AI Voice Agents in 2025 Mar 04, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 306

    Are AI voice agents the future of business communication?


    Kipp and guest Flo Crivello (Founder and CEO of Lindy), uncover how AI voice agents are transforming customer interactions and the incredible potential yet to be unlocked. Learn more on the current capabilities of AI voice agents, why latency and social norms are the primary challenges, and how businesses can start small to scale faster with AI


    Mentions

    • Flo Crivello https://x.com/altimor
    • Lindy https://www.lindy.ai/
    • Amazon’s Alexa https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCCNHWV5?ref=aucc_web_red_xaa_evgn_tx_0002


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDAz7JS6dII&t=1s


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    BREAKING: Claude 3.7 & Claude Code Just Dropped! (Massive AI Upgrade) Feb 27, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 305

    What makes Claude 3.7 Sonnet the best coding model in the world?


    Kipp and Kieran dive into this groundbreaking AI update and its impact on developers everywhere. Learn more on Discover how Claude 3.7 Sonnet enhances reasoning and coding capabilities, why it's revered by coders despite benchmarks, and how it redefines software development for non-coders.


    Mentions

    • Claude 3.7 Sonnet https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-7-sonnet
    • Grok https://x.ai/
    • Cursor https://www.cursor.com/
    • Mckay Wrigley’s tweet: https://x.com/mckaywrigley/status/1894123739178270774
    • Gemini https://gemini.google.com/


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


    How a $1B+ Crypto Company Really Uses AI in Marketing | ft. Kraken CMO Feb 25, 2025
    Show notes

    Ep. 304

    How are billion-dollar companies like Kraken integrating AI into their marketing strategies to pave the way for future growth?


    Kipp and Kieran delve into the transformative role of AI in marketing strategies at trailblazing companies, featuring insights from Kraken's CMO, Mayur Gupta. Learn more on how AI is being leveraged for creative innovations, the debate between using SaaS platforms vs. custom solutions, and the operational best practices companies can adopt for effective AI usage in their growth efforts.


    Mentions

    • Mayur Gupta https://www.linkedin.com/in/mayurgupta77/
    • Kraken https://www.kraken.com/
    • DeepSeek https://www.deepseek.com/
    • Claude https://claude.ai/


    Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je0U5TTEr9Y


    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt


    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research


    Resource

    • [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip


    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod


    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg


    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!


    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934


    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.


    We really appreciate your support.


    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat


    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Produced by Darren Clarke.


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