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    What If Marvel was Real?

    What if… the Marvel Universe was real?

    In 1961 the Fantastic Four revealed themselves to the world and everything changed. Mike and Ed discuss the in-universe implications of super powers, aliens, monsters and more. From how Avenger Insurance will pay for Thor’s property damage to why Spider-man needs a new PR agency, its comic books discussions in a whole new way.

    Every issue covered in the Marvel Universe from the very beginning.

    Full backstory on every episode with transcripts at www.SuperSerious616.com

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    Episode 67: Fantastic Priorities (Spider-Man #3) -- July 1963 Aug 20, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss Doctor Otto Octavius — yet another super-genius gone bad. The Fantastic Four were called in to help by the governor, but claimed that they were “too busy”. Meanwhile, the Human Torch was seen at a speaking engagement at a local high school. Why couldn’t they make the time to help? Fortunately for millions of Americans, Spider-Man was available and DID save the Eastern seaboard. Was he just a subcontractor for Reed Richards, or was it just good fortune?

    In this issue:

    Spider-Man casually stops some thugs who were robbing a warehouse. Meanwhile, Dr. Otto Octavious, known as Dr. Octopus, while working at an atomic research centre using his mechanical arms to conduct nuclear experiments, is injured by an explosion at the research centre, leaving his mechanical arms fused to his body and responsive to his very thoughts. Spider-Man runs into Dr. Octopus, who has been keeping his former colleagues hostage, and is defeated handily. Fresh from his victory, Dr. Octopus continues with his mad plans to take over the research facility and increase his power. Spider-Man, in his alter ego, high schooler Peter Parker, is bummed out. He is motivated by the Human Torch, who happens to be giving a lecture to the students as Peter’s high school. Spider-Man decides to take a second crack at Doc Ock, and this time, he is able to beat him by his combination of brains and brawn.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    People are guessing which super-genius will break bad next.

    This episode takes place:

    After Doc Ock has been apprehended.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 66: What is the Plural of Atlantis? Atlantes? Whichever it is, Atlantis Attacks! (Fantastic Four Annual #1) -- July 1963 Aug 18, 2021
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    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the war declared by the OTHER version of Atlantis (this one under the seas). Will the new threats cause surface dwelling rivals to unite the way they did in World War II? While the invasion was thwarted by Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four, does this mean that all global shipping is at risk? How are we going to protect our global supply chains from undersea threats?

    In this issue:

    Namor the Submariner, ruler of the undersea kingdom of Atlantis, declares war on the surface world.Meanwhile, the FantasticFour decide to go on a cruise, with the hopes of sighting a sea monster as per the rumours abounding the seven seas. The cruise starts off all right, and when the Four see a sea monster, they head into the ocean, whereupon they are captured by Namor, who explains how he had sent the sea monsters to the surface in the hope that they would attract the attention of the Fantastic Four. Complicated mission accomplished, Namor. Namor then demands that the Four relay to the United Nations that the seas and the skies above them are his imperial domain. Reed relays the message to the United Nations, and they convene a meeting to discuss Namor’s demands. An expert on Atlantis testifies about the origins of the water-breathing Atlanteans, and how they evolved separately from humanity, below the seas, as Homo Mermanus. The Atlantis expert further explains how the Atlanteans created an advanced civilization that evolved separately from the surface world. He also explains how Namor is half Atlantean/half surface dweller, and how his unique physiology led to him possibly being the first mutant of our time. The expert is then unmasked - it was Namor all along - and he declares war on the human race. The Atlanteans invade New York City, quickly bringing it to heel. Reed Richards then figures out how to defeat the Atlanteans, who are wearing helmets with sea water in it, as that is how they breath. Reed creates a device to cause the water in their helmets to evaporate, which leads to them leaving the surface and plunging below the surface to breath in sweet, sweet water. The Four then battle Namor in an epic conflict. Ultimately the battle ends when Namor rescues Sue Storm from a watery grave. The Atlanteans feel betrayed by Namor’s decision to save his enemy, and abandon him. Sad, sad Namor reflects on how it all came crashing down, and bemoans his lonely lot in life.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    Humanity is feeling nervous about having an advanced civilization off their shores. And they are confused - are there now two Atlantises? Atlantes?

    This episode takes place:

    After the Atlanteans have been repulsed from the surface world.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 64: Super-smart, super-evil? The (Strange Tales #110) -- June 1963 Aug 16, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    Mike and Ed discuss the jailbreak of the Wizard. In the past week, at least three super-geniuses have been involved in criminal activity (the Wizard, the Thinker and Egghead). Is there something about super-intelligence that leads people to becoming master criminals? Does this mean that other hyper-intelligent people like Bruce Banner and Tony Stark are at risk? What should we as a society do to prevent more geniuses from going over the edge?

    In this issue:

    Strange Tales #110

    Johnny Storm, the Human Torch, reminisces about his short but eventful crimefighting career, including his takedown of the Wizard and Paste-Pot Pete. Meanwhile, Pete breaks the Wizard out of prison and proposes a partnership to take down the Human Torch. Their devious plan begins by planting a story about the Human Torch being a spy. It turns out that the Wizard has impersonated the Torch and committed treacherous crimes, fooling the world. Johnny tracks the villains down and singlehandedly defeats them.

    Fantastic Four #15

    Reed Richards summons his teammates to their headquarters for an urgent mission. He has learned that the top mobsters in the country have headed to New York for something big. Meanwhile, the Thinker meets with the same mobsters to explain how he intends to declare himself the ruler of New York. The mobsters do not believe him, citing the Fantastic Four and the threat they pose to their criminal schemes. The Thinker brushes away their concerns as he explains how he has set into motion a scheme to deal with the Fantastic Four once and for all. For you see, he has laid in motion an incredibly complicated plan to cause the Fantastic Four to break up. And his plan works, leading the Fantastic Four to all do different things, i.e. the Thing becomes a wrestler, Mr. Fantastic is hired by a top company, the Human Torch joins the circus, and the Invisible Girl becomes a star on Broadway. The Four remain broken up for some time, but they all come to the conclusion that they’d rather be part of their original team of adventurers as the Fantastic Four. And so they get back together and return to New York, whereupon they learn that the Thinker has taken over their headquarters. They try to retake their headquarters, and their attempts are originally rebuffed. At one point, an artificial life form created by the Thinker, the Living Android, battles the Four to a standstill. Eventually, Mr. Fantastic outthinks the Thinker by doing something so out of the ordinary as to completely disrupt the Thinker’s plans. Victory for the Four!

    Tales to Astonish #45

    Egghead, depressed and alone after his defeat at the hands of Ant-Man, is living in a flop house. He overhears criminals discussing Ant-Man and the Wasp and is inspired to devise a plan to destroy them both. He disguises himself as an expert on insects, and he then sets a trap for the two heroes, who nonetheless break free and defeat Egghead once more.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    People are starting to question why leading scientists are turning to lives of vice and crime.

    This episode takes place:

    After the Wizard and Paste-Pot Pete have been defeated.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 65: Atlantis Diplomatic Relations (Tales of Suspense #43) -- June 1963 Aug 16, 2021
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    In this episode:

    In this episode, Mike and Ed discuss the implications of the discovery of Atlantis deep within the Earth’s crust. How will diplomatic relations be maintained? Are we comfortable with the threat of attack from below at any given moment? Also, is Iron Man now an employee of Stark Enterprises? And how is Thor paying for his enormous appetite?

    In This Issue:

    Tales of Suspense #43

    Tony Stark, who is secretly Iron Man, intervenes at a Stark company experiment that goes haywire. After that event, Tony is kidnapped and drawn far below the surface at the behest of Kala, Queen of the Netherworld. Kala explains to Tony the origins of their advanced civilization, and how it originated with Atlantis before it was swept away by the sea many years ago. She then reveals that she has been kidnapping geniuses such asTony to help them work on devices that will allow their army to tunnel to the surface and invade the world above them. Tony agrees, but only to rebuild his Iron Man suit, following which he defeats the Netherworldians (Atlanteans?), and returns to the surface world.

    Journey into Mystery #94

    A nuclear warhead veers off course from its testing site. The nations of the world call out for Thor to help, which he does, diverting the missile and blowing it up where it would not harm anyone. It turns out that Loki, while imprisoned in Asgard, caused the missile to deviate from its path. Loki continues to plague through with further pranks, and finally causes Thor’s hammer Mjolnir to hit Thor in the head. This causes Thor to change his personality and become susceptible to Loki’s lies. Loki convinces Thor to free him. The two brothers head to Earth and cause various disasters, terrorizing humanity. Odin eventually comes to the rescue, causing Mjolnir to hit Thor in the head once more, freeing him from Loki’s control and, fortunately for Loki, erasing Thor’s misdeeds from the memories of the people of Earth.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    People are wondering why Iron Man is so connected with Start Enterprises, and why Thor is so connected with the American military.

    This episode takes place:

    After Iron Man intervenes to assist Stark Enterprises at their testing facility, and after Thor helps avoid a nuclear disaster.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 63: Fantastic Four no more! The End of an era? (Fantastic Four #15) -- June 1963 Aug 13, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    In this episode, Mike and Ed discuss the break up of the Fantastic Four. What does it mean for a superhero team to “break up”? What will they do next? Has there been a hand-off of responsibilities? Does this explain why the Fantastic Four were not involved in the last alien invasion that was right on their doorstep?

    In this issue:

    Reed Richards summons his teammates to their headquarters for an urgent mission. He has learned that the top mobsters in the country have headed to New York for something big. Meanwhile, the Thinker meets with the same mobsters to explain how he intends to declare himself the ruler of New York. The mobsters do not believe him, citing the Fantastic Four and the threat they pose to their criminal schemes. The Thinker brushes away their concerns as he explains how he has set into motion a scheme to deal with the Fantastic Four once and for all. For you see, he has laid in motion an incredibly complicated plan to cause the Fantastic Four to break up. And his plan works, leading the Fantastic Four to all do different things, i.e. the Thing becomes a wrestler, Mr. Fantastic is hired by a top company, the Human Torch joins the circus, and the Invisible Girl becomes a star on Broadway. The Four remain broken up for some time, but they all come to the conclusion that they’d rather be part of their original team of adventurers as the Fantastic Four. And so they get back together and return to New York, whereupon they learn that the Thinker has taken over their headquarters. They try to retake their headquarters, and their attempts are originally rebuffed. At one point, an artificial life form created by the Thinker, the Living Android, battles the Four to a standstill. Eventually, Mr. Fantastic outthinks the Thinker by doing something so out of the ordinary as to completely disrupt the Thinker’s plans. Victory for the Four!

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The world remains shocked by the breakup of the Fantastic Four.

    This episode takes place:

    After the Fantastic Four have broken up, and before they get back together.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 62: The Audition; or, the first Spidey-Human Torch Team-up! (Strange Tales Annual #2) -- June 1963 Aug 11, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    In this episode, Mike and Ed talk about the ongoing drama of Spider-Man potentially joining the Fantastic Four. They discuss how dangerous and inappropriate it was for Spider-Man and the Human Torch to be sparring on public streets. Also: how easy is it to impersonate Spider-Man?

    In this issue:

    Johnny Storm, the Human Torch, loses his cool at all the great press that Spider-Man is getting. That is, until Spider-Man is framed for a museum theft in Johnny’s town of Glenville. Spider-Man, obviously unimpressed that he has been framed for a crime he did not commit, heads to Glenville and tries to talk to Johnny about teaming up and proving his innocence. Johnny, believing that Spider-Man is the criminal the papers now say he is, flies off the handle, flames on, and battles Spider-Man. They battle over the streets of Glenville to a standstill. Johnny eventually learns that Spider-Man has been framed, and decides to work with him to capture the actual thieves, which they eventually do.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The public is not entirely sure if Spider-Man is a good guy or a bad guy.

    This episode takes place:

    After the museum thieves have been caught, and Spider-Man’s kinda good name is restored.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 61: Wasp-woman and The Ant (Tales to Astonish #44) --June 1963 Aug 09, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    In this episode, Mike and Ed discuss a different type of alien invasion - an intergalactic monster! What happened, and how was the invasion repelled? Can we believe Ant-Man’s claims? Why weren’t the Fantastic Four involved? And what are the implications of a second super-small superhero - does this mean that Ant-Man’s powers can be duplicated?

    In this issue:

    Hank Pym recounts, to himself, how his wife was kidnapped and killed. He swears revenge, and is actually inspired to become Ant-Man by a comment that she made to him about ants generally. After reminiscing about this terrible chapter in his life, Pym meets Dr. Vernon Van Dyne, a scientist, and his lovely daughter Janet. They get to talking about their research, Van Dyne about a gamma ray beam that can pierce space and detect signals from other planets; Pym about molecular cell transition; and depart. Shortly thereafter, Van Dyne, while conducting his research, is visited by a monster from the planet Kosmos. The monster escaped his prison on his home planet by following Van Dyne’s gamma ray. The monster kills Van Dyne. Janet discovers the crime and decides to call Pym for help. Pym changes into his Ant-Man persona and inspects the crime scene. He returns to his lab, and Janet meets him there. Pym reveals his secret identity to her, and tells Janet that he can share his shrinking technology with her so that she can become the Wasp and help bring her father’s killer to justice. Janet agrees, and so begins her life of fighting crime. Together, Ant-Man and the Wasp join the battle against the monster from Kosmos, who is still on Earth and battling the military. They defeat the monster by shooting him with a special bullet.

    Assumed before the next episode:

    People are wondering about this second super-small superhero.

    This episode takes place:

    After Kosmos has been defeated.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 60: And so it begins... the international super-powered arms race (Journey Into Mystery #93) -- June 1063 Aug 06, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    In this episode, Mike and Ed discuss the Radioactive Man, a super-powered scientist working for the Chinese Government. The Radioactive Man’s attack on Thor appears to be a response to Thor’s recent attack on the Chinese military near the China-India border. Is China’s response proportionate? Or is it the first step towards an all-out nuclear and super-powered war?

    In this issue:

    Dr. Donald Blake is on an American medical mission in Asia that is suddenly attacked by the Chinese military. Fortunately for the Americans, Dr. Donald Blake is actually Thor. Blake turns into Thor and repels the attackers. The Chinese military deliberate on a response. Military scientist Dr. Chen Lu experiments on himself and turns himself into the Radioactive Man. Now super-powered, and radioactive, the Radioactive Man lands on the shores of the U.S. and, for some reason, decides to go through Customs, where he demonstrates his fearsome power. Showing a flair for the dramatic, the Radioactive Man stands on Broadway and challenges Thor to battle him. Thor meets the challenge but finds that he may be outmatched. Defeated, Thor leaves the field of battle and then figures out the best way to defeat the Radioactive Man, who is bent on blowing up New York City. Thor’s solution? He creates a private tornado that whisks the Radioactive Man back to China, where he blows up.

    Assumed before the next issue:

    People are wondering if the Chinese government is behind the Radioactive Man’s invasion.

    This episode takes place:

    After the Radioactive Man has been defeated.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 59: Pandora's Box (Strange Tales #109) -- June 1963 Aug 04, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    In this episode, Mike and Ed discuss “The Sorcerer”, a man who claimed to have access and control over the actual “Pandora’s Box” from ancient Greek mythology. Could this be true? If so, does that make Thor’s claims of divinity more likely, and are we going to see more ancient myths come to life?

    In this issue:

    An eccentric hermit chases kids away from his property, and naturally, Johnny Storm, the Human Torch, decides to interfere on the kids’ behalf. This seems to tick off the hermit, who calls himself the Sorcerer, which leads to him deciding to opening Pandora’s Box, which he just happens to have in his house. The Sorcerer masters the ethereal sins living in the box and goes on a crime and mischief spree across town. The police consult the teenaged Human Torch for help, and he ends up battling the Sorcerer. The Torch wins the battle by absorbing a flame released by the Sorcerer from the Box, and so endeth the short criminal career of … the Sorcerer!

    Assumed before the next episode:

    The people of Glenville are recovering from their sinful antics, and wondering what they can blame on Pandora’s Box and what came naturally to them.

    This episode takes place:

    After the Torch defeats the Sorcerer.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

    Episode 58: Attack from Above (Amazing Spider-Man #2) -- May 1963 Aug 02, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode:

    In this episode, Mike and Ed discuss the limited ambition of the latest super-criminal known as “The Vulture”. Are his powers inborn or through a mechanical exoskeleton? How would personal flying devices impact our world? Why weren’t any superheroes needed to capture him? Where was Ant-Man?

    In this issue:

    A new supervillain terrorizes New Yorkers - the Vulture! He swoops down from the sky to snatch briefcases and otherwise creep out the city. J. Jonah Jameson of the Daily Bugle is desperate for photos of the Vulture. The Bugle’s young photographer Peter Parker is keen to grab a few snaps of the villain, and heads out as his alter ego, the Amazing Spider-Man. The Vulture is actually quite easy to find - he taunts the police about his next planned robbery - and Spider-Man ends up battling him in the skies above the city. Round one goes to the Vulture. But Spidey doesn’t give up! He invents a cadet to mess with the Vulture’s flying contraption, and takes the Vulture down.

    In a second story, Peter Parker meets the Tinkerer, who is working with aliens planning to attack the Earth. Peter changes into his Spider-Man costume and battles the aliens, chasing them off the Earth. All in a day’s work for Spider-Man.

    Assumed before the next issue:

    People are wondering why super-powered people are disguising themselves as animals.

    This episode takes place:

    After the Vulture has been grounded.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.superserious616.com

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