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    This Old Marketing – News Podcast Weekly with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose

    Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what’s going on in the industry, and a “This Old Marketing” example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.

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    222: Our Biggest Failures BONUS Episode + Even More Failures Nov 25, 2019
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    In this very special #222 bonus episode of This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert take requests from Twitter. What could go wrong?

    Alberto Gomez (@albermoire) asked Joe and Robert about their biggest failures. Since the boys only had an hour, they decided to cover just a few of the many, many failures in their young lives.

    Doug Kessler (@DougKessler) asked about "what's next?" Joe covered voice and print. Robert covered drastic changes in governance. Both discussed the evolution of social media, with particular focus on Sacha Baron Cohen's recent ADL speech.

    In rants and raves, Joe ranted about YouTube's FTC compliance system, while Robert discussed gratitude.

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    This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

    221: Marketing Always Works (If You Leave Out Certain Data) Nov 18, 2019
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    In episode 221 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert unpack Disney's launch of Disney+, including first-day tech issues, adding 10 million users, and a huge stock market push to record levels.

    Further into the show, Robert unpacks the current marketing bubble: online advertising (H/T @karlyeh721), and how everything can be proven to work if you only use part of the data. Joe continues on into social media news: Facebook is found to be "secretly" using the iPhone camera while their app is open and Instagram announces they won't be showing the like count on posts any longer.

    In rants and raves, Joe raves about His Dark Materials amazing usage of outdoor media and provides comment on how Generation Z might save print. Robert rants about Sharethrough's EU office closing and provides commentary on Nielsen's company split.

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    This episode is sponsored by ContentTECH Summit.

    220: Twitter's Move Away from Political Ads a PR Stunt Nov 04, 2019
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    In episode 220 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the bold move by Twitter, who announced they will remove political ads from their platform in a few weeks. Robert believes this was a good call, and that Twitter may not resume service in that area. Joe believes that Twitter completely dropped the ball, and they will resume service (and charge a premium) in a few months. Both believe the move was done primarily for public relations purposes.

    In other news, Google buys wearables-maker Fitbit, and also looks at acquiring TikTok rival Firework. Joe and Robert also review Orbit Media's latest research on blogging, and what really works in textual media today.

    In rants and raves, Joe applauds Elon University's approach to the Common App, while Robert rants about the talk around the demise of the CMO, and raves about how GDPR-compliant companies are winning (h/t @thanybethanybe).

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    This episode is sponsored by CMI's Agency Masterclass in NYC.

    219: Will New Regulations Help or Hurt Your Content Creation? Oct 21, 2019
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    In episode 219 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert start by discussing the controversy surrounding the NBA and China. Was the NBA correct in how they dealt with an employee tweet (we say no)? How should a large global brand deal with employee social media?

    Other news was dominated by government regulations. First, the boys unpack California Assembly Bill 5 (AB5) and what it means for hiring freelance content creators. Second, Joe and Robert discuss California's Privacy Act, which seems to be the start of how dozens of states are dealing with online privacy concerns...and...are the new regulations good or bad news for marketers and content creators?

    Robert's raves include TCG buying a majority stake in Food52 and Airbnb buying Atlas Obscura. Joe's raves include Barstool Sports generating over $1 million selling vodka and his experience in New Orleans at three particular establishments that all marketers can learn from.

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    This episode is sponsored by CMI's Demand Generation Summit.

    218: Is the Death of Advertising Upon Us? Oct 07, 2019
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    Episode #218 of #ThisOldMarketing focuses on the death of advertising. Is it really a thing? Or perhaps an evolution to a new form and function? What would a future with no advertising look like?

    In other news, the Washington Post begins licensing its Content Management System to large brands, paving the way for Jeff Bezos's (Amazon's) dominance over yet another category.

    An important stat: 49% of Google searches end up in zero clicks, and Google's strategy will only end up increasing this number. Could search engine optimization die along with advertising?

    Raves include how Red Bull Media House started and rants include web contact forms, while Robert goes into detail on the failure of written-content projects from brands.

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    This episode is sponsored by CMI's Demand Generation Summit.

    217: How to Launch a Show Network the Right (and Wrong) Way Sep 23, 2019
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    In episode #217 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert first discuss Disney CEO Bob Iger's statement that if Steve Jobs were still alive, Apple and Disney would be one company.

    Let's all just pause right to ponder that possibility.

    Then the boys dissect the new Recur network from ProfitWell...discussing the good, the bad and the ugly. Is it smart to launch 12 shows at the same time or should ProfitWell do one thing great and move on to the next one?

    In other news, Joe unpacks how Twitch.tv (owned by Amazon) took over streaming legend Ninja's platform without asking, "accidentally" showing porn. After that, 2012 called and wanted it's "Marriott is now a media company" article back (Robert points out everything wrong and right about this article).

    In rants and raves, Joe is disgusted about Audible and how it's impossible to just launch an audiobook only, and applauds Freightwaves, an amazing content marketing example.

    Robert raves Hasbro's purchase of Death Row Records and rants about IKEA's Slow TV.

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    This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing University. Use code PNR100 to save $100 off enrollment.

    216: Is Google Killing the Website? Sep 09, 2019
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    In episode 216 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the trend that more and more searches on mobile and desktop end without a click. In the future will the website, as we know it, cease to exist?

    In other news, the boys elaborate on how audio content and podcasts still may be the best opportunity for building audiences, while both share their take on Google's new privacy stance and why it doesn't help any individual or company except for Google.

    Rants and raves include a take on Cleveland Clinic's blog revenue strategy and, of course, a long discussion about Popeye's new chicken sandwich.

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    This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing University. Use code PNR100 to save $100 off enrollment.

    215: The End of Social Media As We Know It Aug 26, 2019
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    In episode 215 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss Twitter's decision to ban "state-run" media and how this will, effectively, lead to a huge change in how content is published on social media. Social media sites, like Facebook and YouTube, know their biggest liability is the created content on their platform. We are just now seeing the beginning days of the end of social media as we know it.

    In other news, Tumblr sells for $3 million (down from $1.1 billion), marketing research shows that marketers think pretty highly of themselves, and Amazon's publishing juggernaut is even bigger than you think.

    In rants and raves, Joe discovers that "fake news" is rampant in Amazon's books and nobody knows it, while Robert reviews an article that takes #ThisOldMarketing episode 214 to task on brands buying newspapers and the death of journalism.

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    This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing World. Use code PNR19 to save $100.

    214: Brand Marketers (Hopefully) Starting to Sniff Acquisition Opportunities Aug 12, 2019
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    In episode 214 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the death of journalism (through newspaper media) and how brands are missing an opportunity by not purchasing more newspaper properties.

    Procter & Gamble (P&G) is growing like crazy but spending less on advertising than ever before. The boys think they know the reason, including help from Home Made Simple.

    More B2B and B2C brands are investing in print magazines, including the likes of REI and Goose Island. Opportunity?

    And FIPP suggests that future growth lies in niche media and underserved international populations.

    In rants and raves, Joe raves iQiyi's push into Chinese vertical dramas and believes that Stanford's M&A program is something brand marketers and CMO's need to pay attention to. Hint: Acquiring content brands instead of starting them fresh. Robert thinks that the move away from the CMO is like moving deck chairs (with kudos to this Ian Truscott post).

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    This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing World. Use code PNR19 to save $100.

    213: Content Brands Launching Everywhere While Audio Marketing Blooms Jul 29, 2019
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    In episode 213 of #ThisOldMarketing, Joe and Robert discuss the death of influencer marketing, which isn't dead at all...just changing.

    Two big brands, Outdoor Voice and Staples, launch content brands The Recreationalist and Worklife. The opportunities in voice marketing have never been better. Audiobooks are growing at 25 percent and Alexa devices count more than 100 million, yet there are very few Alexa Skills, opening a content gap.

    In rants and raves, Joe raves about the New York Times enewsletter program, while Robert comments about why MarTech as marketing is a scary proposition.

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    This episode is sponsored by Content Marketing World. Use code PNR19 to save $100.

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