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    The Nathan Barry Show

    As the CEO of Kit, Nathan Barry has a front row seat to what’s working in the most successful creator businesses.

    On The Nathan Barry Show, he interviews top creators and dives into the inner workings of their businesses in his live coaching sessions.

    You get unique insight into how creator businesses work and what you can do to increase results in your own business.

    One of the things Nathan is passionate about is helping you create leverage.

    Creator Flywheels let you create many copies of yourself so you don’t get bogged down with the little things in your business. Flywheels will help you reach a place where you can focus on revenue instead of busywork.

    Tune in weekly for new episodes with ideas and tips for growing your business. You’ll hear discussions around building an audience, earning a living as a creator, and Nathan’s insights on scaling a software company to $100M.

    Learn how to get more results with less effort and:

    Grow faster over time.
    Work less hard over time.
    Make more money over time.

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    Copyright: © 2023 Nathan Barry & Rachel Rodgers

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    How To Build a Million Dollar Business From Your Audience | Eric Rhodes | 102 Nov 06, 2025
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    In this episode, I sit down with Eric Rhodes, DJ and content creator with over 3 million followers, to discuss how to monetize his massive audience beyond traditional events.

    Eric shares his journey from professional DJ to viral social media sensation and explores the challenges of earning revenue when much of his content features copyrighted music.

    We brainstorm two main paths for monetization: deepening engagement with music fans, and serving a specific niche of aspiring DJs. We dive into strategies for segmenting his audience, developing high-value lead magnets, and creating educational products like courses or masterminds, all while maintaining control over his time and balancing his passion for DJing with his family life.

    Timestamps:
    01:21 Eric's Social Media Following Breakdown
    03:00 The Start of Eric's Online Content Creation
    05:07 Key Factors in Eric's Rapid YouTube Growth
    08:44 The Importance of Feedback in Content Creation
    10:48 Using Negative Feedback for Improvement
    13:38 Eric's Current Business Revenue and Breakdown
    16:35 The Trade-offs of Reduced Travel and Events
    19:40 Segmenting the Audience: Fans vs. DJs
    27:07 The "Skill That Makes Money" Framework
    32:00 Strategies for Patreon Growth and Fan Engagement
    46:17 High-Ticket Offers and Masterminds
    54:10 Using Lead Magnets for DJ Audience Growth
    01:03:55 The Value of Packaging Knowledge into a Course
    01:10:15 Next Steps for Building a DJ Education Business

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
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    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry
    X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Eric Rhodes:
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/djericrhodes
    Website: https://theericrhodes.com
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNqLnC4Mc6nGY1ad-aLxxqw
    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@djericrhodes

    Featured in this episode:
    Kit: https://www.kit.com
    Ampersand Studios: https://ampersandstudios.co
    Patreon: https://www.patreon.com
    SitePoint: https://www.sitepoint.com
    Whisper: https://github.com/openai/whisper
    ChatGPT: https://chat.openai.com


    How Creators Can Use AI Voice Agents To Grow Their Business In 2026 | Jay Singh | 101 Oct 30, 2025
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    In this episode, I sit down with Jay Singh, founder of Casper Studios, to explore how AI voice agents are transforming how we create, communicate, and collect information.

    We dive into how Jay helped Kit’s team automate workflows with voice-based AI, why voice will soon replace typing entirely, and how creators can use tools like Whisper Flow and ElevenLabs to turn ideas into finished content faster. Jay also gives a live demo, showing exactly how to build a working AI voice agent from scratch.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:10 Hitting a $2M run rate with AI implementation
    03:34 How Kit’s team uses AI to build internal tools
    05:11 Building an automation culture with AI education
    06:48 Why voice will replace typing
    09:21 The Apple example and how voice got good again
    12:16 Why speaking first creates more authentic content
    18:52 The power of transcripts as creative building blocks
    22:06 Using voice to collect team insights and automate discovery
    26:22 Live demo: building a working AI voice agent
    33:02 Setting guardrails and testing your AI agent
    40:24 How creators can integrate voice feedback loops
    47:48 How AI changes human interaction and trust
    50:01 Practical next steps for creators using voice
    54:15 Final takeaways and what’s next for Casper Studios

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

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    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Jay:
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaysingh10125
    X: https://x.com/JSingh_08
    Website: https://casperstudios.xyz

    Featured in this episode:
    Casper Studios: https://casperstudios.xyz
    Kit: https://www.kit.com
    ElevenLabs: https://elevenlabs.io
    Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai


    How To Uncover $100K In Hidden Profit (Business Masterclass) | Jessica Miller | 100 Oct 23, 2025
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    In this episode, I sit down with Jessica Miller, business strategist and founder of Jessica Miller Coaching, to uncover four keys that will help you unlock $100K in hidden profit inside your existing business.

    Jessica shares how to identify the “Hell Yes” offer that energizes you and your audience, simple add-ons and bundles that boost profit instantly, and how to reactivate past clients and turn referrals into a predictable growth system. We also dive into real client examples—from $80-an-hour coaches turning into $30K earners, to brick-and-mortar shops doubling revenue overnight.

    If you want to find the hidden money already inside your business, this episode is your roadmap.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:10 Jessica’s journey from pharmacist to business strategist
    04:11 Leaving corporate after a health crisis and starting over
    06:19 Why so many entrepreneurs struggle with profit
    08:21 The key to more profit is doing better, not more
    09:17 The first lever: creating your “Hell Yes” offer
    13:25 How pricing and positioning change everything
    17:16 Client example: the concert pianist who sold $30K in six weeks
    21:41 Turning a low-ticket membership into a $120K cohort program
    24:26 The second lever: add-ons and bundles
    30:29 How tiered pricing can 2–3x your income
    34:10 The third lever: reactivation—selling to warm leads again
    37:46 The candle bar business that grew 76% year-over-year
    43:10 The hidden cost of your energy and how to optimize it
    46:54 Capturing contact info to reactivate clients
    53:31 The fourth lever: referrals and the “plus one” SOP
    59:10 Building referral systems into your business
    01:03:00 Measuring results and optimizing every flywheel
    01:10:00 Jessica’s worksheet to uncover hidden profit

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

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    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Jessica:
    Jessica's Free Worksheet : https://jessicamillercoaching.com/nathan
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    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessicadioguardimiller
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-miller-coaching-growth-consultant

    Featured in this episode:
    Jessica's Free Worksheet : https://jessicamillercoaching.com/nathan
    Jessica Miller Coaching: https://www.jessicamillercoaching.com
    Kit: https://www.kit.com


    The Harsh Truth About Online Courses (And What Works Now) | Erin Green | 099 Oct 16, 2025
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    In this episode, I sit down with Erin Green, founder of Audacious Labs, to break down how to design a course that actually changes behavior.

    Erin spent 15 years inside agencies building programs for IKEA, Google, and Amazon before developing her framework for turning expertise into transformative learning experiences. We dive deep into what makes most courses flop, how to create real outcomes for students, and how to use AI to design and validate better programs faster.
    If you’re building a course or product that needs to deliver real results, this episode will show you exactly how to do it.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    02:45 Why most courses fail to create results
    07:31 The five stages of Hook to Habit: Hook, Start, Build, Flow, Habit
    11:22 Creating easy wins to build momentum
    14:30 Feedback loops and building confidence
    17:57 Flow and skill mastery
    24:22 Using behavioral design to make learning stick
    31:09 The power of pre-selling and running workshops
    35:23 Designing your learning journey backwards
    39:55 The importance of bad examples in learning
    43:14 Why confidence comes before competence
    47:32 Designing opportunities for practice and feedback
    56:19 Using AI to organize and refine your ideas
    01:04:37 Choosing the right platform and testing small
    01:13:00 The biggest mistake course creators make

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarry
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry
    X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Erin:
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/er-green
    Website: https://www.audaciouslabs.io

    Featured in this episode:
    Audacious Labs: https://www.audaciouslabs.io
    Kit: https://www.kit.com

    Highlights:
    09:12 – Why your competition isn’t other courses, it’s Netflix
    14:30 – Building confidence through feedback loops
    24:22 – Behavioral design tactics that make learning stick
    56:19 – How to use AI to refine and structure your course ideas


    What 16 Years Running a Creative Business Really Teaches You | Frannie Wilson | 098 Oct 09, 2025
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    In this special episode, I sit down with my friend Frannie Wilson to interview her for my new book "The Ladders of Wealth. We explore her journey of running Ampersand Studios for over 16 years and how she’s reinventing her business after buying out her longtime partner.

    Instead of having the conversation over a cup of coffee, we decided to record one in the studio instead. We dive into what it takes to scale an agency without burning out, why delegating fulfillment is critical, and how Frannie is using systems, subcontractors, and culture-building to position her team for growth.

    She shares lessons from managing people, creating replicable offers, and handling the challenges of sales, client retention, and leadership.

    If you’re navigating the leap from founder-doer to CEO—or building a creative agency that lasts—this episode is packed with insights.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:15 Frannie’s 16-year journey with Ampersand
    04:00 Buying out her business partner and reinventing
    07:05 Balancing recurring revenue and one-off projects
    10:30 Delegating fulfillment and avoiding bottlenecks
    13:55 Building systems and hiring contractors
    17:30 The role of values and culture in small teams
    22:10 Lessons from managing people and avoiding drama
    27:30 Productizing services vs. custom work
    33:00 Smarter hiring with test projects
    39:30 Landing and qualifying clients the right way
    52:30 Retaining clients and handling tough situations
    59:45 Final reflections and advice

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
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    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry
    X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Frannie:
    Instagram (personal): https://www.instagram.com/frannie_pack
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frannie-wilson
    Ampersand Studios (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/ampersand_studios
    Ampersand Studios (Website): https://ampersand-studios.com

    Featured in this episode:
    Ampersand Studios (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/ampersand_studios
    Ampersand Studios: https://ampersand-studios.com/


    How We're Growing An Agency To $1M (Use These Systems) | Lily Jones | 097 Oct 02, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, I sit down with Lily Jones, founder of Educator Forever, for a coaching session to map out how she can scale her education business from $700K to $1M and beyond.

    We dive into Lily’s unique flywheel that connects training teachers with agency work, why she’s hitting a growth plateau, and how focusing on sales could unlock her next stage.

    Lily shares her journey from kindergarten teacher to entrepreneur, what she’s learned building two businesses in one, and how to prioritize growth without burning out.

    If you’re looking to evolve a multi-offer business without splitting your focus, this episode is a blueprint.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:17 Lily’s backstory and why she left the classroom
    04:43 From teacher to curriculum developer
    07:15 How free classes built her first audience
    10:26 Creating the Curriculum Development Foundations program
    13:19 Building a two-sided business: teachers and agency
    16:28 Mapping the Educator Forever flywheel
    19:35 Revenue growth
    23:05 Where the business plateaued and why
    26:31 Increasing project size and repeat contracts
    30:56 The case for hiring salespeople
    34:20 Finding focus by niching down in K–5 curriculum
    38:29 Exploring recurring and higher-paying projects
    42:18 Selling into schools as a future growth path
    46:55 Balancing opportunities with clear priorities
    50:12 Building a long-term roadmap to $1.5M+
    54:46 Takeaways and next steps

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
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    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Lily:
    Website: https://educatorforever.com
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/educatorforever
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lily-jones-b940457b

    Featured in this episode:
    Educator Forever: https://educatorforever.com
    Educator Forever Agency: https://educatorforeveragency.com
    Kit: https://www.kit.com


    Inside the $10M Strategy Every Creator Business Needs | Kristin Flanary | 096 Sep 25, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, I sit down with Kristin Flanary, co-founder of the $1.2M Glaucomflecken brand, for a coaching session on how to scale to $10M by building systems, productized services, and new revenue streams.

    We dive into Kristin’s unique journey blending healthcare satire, advocacy, and entrepreneurship, and map out how to grow beyond skits and sponsorships into licensing, joint ventures, and an agency model.

    Kristin shares the challenges of balancing inbound opportunities, managing a lean team, and creating scalable offers that go beyond her and her husband’s personal involvement.

    If you want to see how to scale a creator business from seven to eight figures without losing focus, this episode is for you.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    02:05 Kristin’s backstory: medicine, family, and near-death experiences
    05:57 How comedy and satire became a business
    07:01 Growing to 1.2M revenue with skits, podcasts, and shows
    10:39 The big goal: scaling to $10M
    14:01 Breaking down all current revenue streams
    17:21 Skits as the foundation of the business
    20:59 Building a small but mighty team
    22:25 The dream hire: data and analytics
    24:22 Exploring licensing and education opportunities
    29:15 Managing inbound opportunities and “dreamer” ideas
    33:32 The problem with too many projects at once
    37:59 Sponsorships, keynotes, and cashflow challenges
    43:25 Why a productized service or agency model could scale
    48:55 Pricing tiers and the $3K vs $5K agency offer
    52:04 How licensing and agency ideas connect
    59:10 What the team would need to reach $1M in agency revenue
    01:03:29 Recap and key takeaways

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

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    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Kristin & Glaucomflecken:
    Website: https://glaucomflecken.com
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladyglaucomflecken
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ladyglaucomflecken
    X: https://x.com/lglaucomflecken
    Podcast: https://glaucomflecken.com/podcast

    Featured in this episode:
    Glaucomflecken: https://glaucomflecken.com
    The Glaucomflecken Podcast: https://glaucomflecken.com/podcast
    Kit: https://www.kit.com


    The Flywheel Concept That Will Change Your Business - In Just 24 Minutes | Nathan Barry | 095 Sep 18, 2025
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    Creator Flywheels: https://creatorflywheels.com

    In this episode, I share how creator flywheels can help you get greater results with less effort by turning scattered tasks into systems that compound over time.

    I break down the three laws of flywheels, how to design them for your business, and examples that took my own projects from stalled growth to unstoppable momentum.

    I also show how to measure and improve your flywheels with a simple weekly check-in, plus the exact flywheels that scaled Kit, my podcast, and top creators’ newsletters.

    If you’ve been stuck in chaos or linear processes, this episode will show you the path to compounding growth.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:00 The three ways of running a business: scattered, linear, flywheel
    02:43 The three laws of flywheels: flow, ease, growth
    04:37 The Million Subscriber Flywheel (Sahil Bloom case study)
    07:29 How sponsorships and reinvestment compound growth
    10:02 How to measure flywheels in 15 minutes a week
    13:04 The Direct Sales Flywheel that scaled Kit
    16:23 Why concierge migrations unlocked growth
    17:43 Real-world flywheels and compounding effort
    18:21 The Podcast Production Flywheel
    20:57 Fixing friction with tools and teleprompters
    21:59 The five steps to building your own flywheel
    23:40 Enrollment info for Creator Flywheels course

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
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    X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Featured in this episode:
    Creator Flywheels: https://creatorflywheels.com
    Kit: https://www.kit.com
    Creator Network: http://creatornetwork.com
    SparkLoop: https://www.sparkloop.app
    Sahil Bloom: https://www.sahilbloom.com

    In this episode, I share how creator flywheels can help you get greater results with less effort by turning scattered tasks into systems that compound over time.

    I break down the three laws of flywheels, how to design them for your business, and examples that took my own projects from stalled growth to unstoppable momentum.

    I also show how to measure and improve your flywheels with a simple weekly check-in, plus the exact flywheels that scaled Kit, my podcast, and top creators’ newsletters.

    If you’ve been stuck in chaos or linear processes, this episode will show you the path to compounding growth.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:00 The three ways of running a business: scattered, linear, flywheel
    02:43 The three laws of flywheels: flow, ease, growth
    04:37 The Million Subscriber Flywheel (Sahil Bloom case study)
    07:29 How sponsorships and reinvestment compound growth
    10:02 How to measure flywheels in 15 minutes a week
    13:04 The Direct Sales Flywheel that scaled Kit
    16:23 Why concierge migrations unlocked growth
    17:43 Real-world flywheels and compounding effort
    18:21 The Podcast Production Flywheel
    20:57 Fixing friction with tools and teleprompters
    21:59 The five steps to building your own flywheel
    23:40 Enrollment info for Creator Flywheels course

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
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    X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Featured in this episode:
    Creator Flywheels Course: https://creatorflywheels.com
    Kit: https://www.kit.com
    Creator Network: http://creatornetwork.com
    SparkLoop: https://www.sparkloop.app
    Sahil Bloom: https://www.sahilbloom.com


    How To Actually Grow Past $1M As A Creator | Barrett Brooks | 094 Sep 11, 2025
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    In this episode, I sit down with Barrett Brooks, coach to some of the biggest creators in the industry, to break down the five traps that keep creators stuck below one million in revenue and how to avoid each one.

    We talk about why search and algorithms are shifting, how to stop chasing “greener” business models, and why risk aversion quietly kills momentum.

    Barrett also shares the patterns he sees working with top creators, how to double down on what’s working without burning out, and the mindset shift every entrepreneur must make to step into true leadership.

    If you’re feeling stuck on the path to seven figures, this episode is your roadmap.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:11 Why creators get stuck below $1M
    04:43 Betting your business on what used to work
    07:44 Search, AI, and the future of traffic
    13:28 Believing another business model will be easier
    18:55 The grass-is-greener trap explained
    27:13 Letting risk aversion kill your momentum
    33:49 Playing out the worst-case scenario
    40:23 Moving on too fast from what is working
    49:43 Building systems vs chasing new ideas
    55:25 Hiring without stepping into leadership
    01:03:16 How to lean into conflict and feedback
    01:07:21 Final thoughts on breaking through

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
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    X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Barrett:
    Podcast: https://goodworkshow.com
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrettabrooks
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    Website: https://barrettbrooks.com

    Featured in this episode:
    Good Work Show: https://goodworkshow.com
    Barrett Brooks: https://barrettbrooks.com
    Kit: https://www.kit.com


    The Most Important Advice For Creators in 2026 (Nathan Barry Q&A) | 093 Sep 04, 2025
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    In this episode, I sit down with Haley from the Kit team, to answer audience questions about building creator businesses, growing newsletters, and scaling software companies.

    We cover everything from how to find a solo SaaS idea as a non-technical founder, to mapping out a creator business from scratch, to scaling newsletters and identifying blue ocean opportunities.

    Haley also brings her behind-the-scenes perspective from working with creators at Kit.

    If you want a practical look at audience growth, business models, and the future of creator tools, this episode has it all.

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:08 Finding SaaS ideas as a non-technical founder
    07:36 Mapping out a creator business from scratch
    18:25 Building a music career today vs streaming revenue
    22:58 The power of storytelling and setting public goals
    29:18 Newsletter growth strategies and creator pods
    35:54 Identifying blue oceans in crowded markets
    41:58 Gathering customer feedback the right way
    48:32 Choosing the right early hires in today’s AI-driven world
    50:46 Biggest strategic mistakes and lessons learned
    01:03:40 Wrap-up and reflections

    If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.

    Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/show

    Follow Nathan:
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    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarry
    X: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshow
    Website: https://nathanbarry.com

    Follow Haley:
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/haleyjani
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haley-janicek
    X: https://x.com/haleyjanicek

    Featured in this episode:
    Kit: https://www.kit.com
    Creator Network: https://kit.com/creator-network
    Craft + Commerce: https://kit.com/conference


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