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    The Marketing Architects

    Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos.

    Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more.

    Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.

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    Latest Episodes:
    From the Archive: The Battle for Effectiveness with Mark Ritson Jun 24, 2025
    Show notes

    This week, we’re resharing a top episode from the archive. Originally recorded a year ago, this episode features the one and only Mark Ritson and remains one of our most popular episodes to-date. Enjoy, and we’ll be back with new content next week!
    This episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by professor, consultant, and columnist Dr. Mark Ritson. Based on his experience as both a marketing academic and practitioner, Mark shares his thoughts on the state of marketing effectiveness in the US, what we can learn from the history of marketing, and the importance of balancing research with active testing to discover marketing strategies that really work.
    Topics covered:

    • [04:30] What is marketing effectiveness?
    • [07:30] Why Mark created the Mini MBA
    • [15:00] How AI will change the future of advertising
    • [17:15] Why marketers undervalue TV advertising
    • [21:00] The differences between effectiveness and marketing science
    • [29:30] Marketing fundamentals don’t change

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2023 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/effectiveness-ignorance-american-marketing/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: The Psychology of Brand Breakups Jun 19, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how brand betrayal triggers actual psychological pain and revenge-seeking behavior, making betrayed customers far more dangerous than merely dissatisfied ones.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Insights into the Experience of Brand Betrayal: From What People Say and What The Brain Reveals"
    • [02:00] When brands don't disappoint but actually betray
    • [03:00] Brand betrayal creates deep psychological loss
    • [05:00] Brain scans reveal betrayal activates pain centers
    • [07:00] How Domino's recovered from brand betrayal

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Reimann, M., MacInnis, D. J., Folkes, V. S., Uhalde, A., & Pol, G. (2018). Insights into the experience of brand betrayal: From what people say and what the brain reveals. Journal of the Association for Consumer Research, 3(2), 240–254. https://doi.org/10.1086/697077
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The 95/5 Rule: Rethinking Reach and Timing Jun 17, 2025
    Show notes

    At any given time, 95% of potential B2B buyers aren't in-market for your product. Only 5% are actively shopping. Most people your ads reach won't buy anytime soon.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob explore the 95/5 rule introduced by professor John Dawes in 2021. They discuss how this principle contradicts the familiar 80/20 rule, why the fundamental principle applies beyond B2B categories, and how brands can shift from "hunter" to "farmer" mindsets. The team also covers creative strategies for reaching the 95% who aren't ready to buy yet and why mental availability matters more than immediate conversion.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Origins of the 95/5 rule and how it contradicts 80/20 thinking
    • [04:00] Why the rule makes sense for B2B but challenges B2C assumptions
    • [07:00] How modern marketing overemphasizes tracking immediate conversions
    • [09:00] Calculating the 95/5 rule for your specific category
    • [12:00] Creative strategies that build memory structures for future buyers
    • [14:00] Shifting from hunter to farmer mentality in advertising strategy
    • [17:00] Brand versus performance marketing balance under this rule

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    John Dawes: The 95:5 Rule: https://johndawes.info/the-955-rule/
    Tyrona Heath: Why You Should Follow The 95-5 Rule: https://tyronaheath.com/2022/08/11/why-you-should-follow-the-95-5-rule/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: When Does Retargeting Work? Jun 12, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how dynamic retargeting ads often underperform generic brand ads. They discover that timing and customer readiness matter more than personalization.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "When Does Retargeting Work? Information Specificity in Online Advertising"
    • [04:00] Why personalized ads can underperform generic ones
    • [05:00] Customer journey signals that predict ad effectiveness
    • [06:00] Review site visits as high-intent indicators
    • [09:00] Broad reach versus moment marketing strategies
    • [11:00] Lab study confirms field experiment results

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Lambrecht, A., & Tucker, C. (2013). When does retargeting work? Information specificity in online advertising. Journal of Marketing Research, 50(5), 561–576. https://doi.org/10.1509/jmr.11.0503
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Marketing's Dangerous Defaults with Matt Maynard Jun 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Most B2B marketers completely misunderstand what brand advertising is supposed to do. They conflate brand narrative with brand advertising, trying to make one execution do both jobs.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Matt Maynard, VP of Global Brand and Advertising at Asana. Matt shares how he went from journalism to marketing thought leadership without taking a single marketing class. He digs into the dangerous defaults B2B marketers fall into, from pipeline obsession to customer story overuse. Plus, learn why brand advertising and brand narrative are two completely different things that most companies wrongly conflate.
    Topics covered:

    • [02:00] Matt's journey from journalism to self-taught marketer
    • [08:00] Why brand marketing is having an identity crisis in B2B
    • [13:00] Translating marketing effectiveness theory into practice
    • [18:00] Managing product-led and sales-led growth motions
    • [22:00] Reframing the 95-5 rule as increasing your odds
    • [25:00] What "responsible reach" means for brand marketing
    • [31:00] Why customer stories don't belong in brand advertising
    • [35:00] The difference between brand narrative and brand advertising

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2024 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/ritson-applicable-b2b-marketing/
    Matt Maynard’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattmaynard/
    Asana: https://asana.com/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: To ESOV and Beyond Jun 05, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how attention metrics reveal the true value of media platforms. They discover that not all impressions deliver equal attention and learn why excess share of voice works best when paired with high-attention media placement.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Attention and Effectiveness to ESOV and Beyond, Part Two"
    • [02:00] Not all media impressions are created equal
    • [04:00] How attention varies by platform and pricing gaps
    • [05:00] Active vs. passive attention and the 2.5-second rule
    • [07:00] Attention elasticity amplifies creative performance
    • [08:00] ESOV still works, but placement matters

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Brittain, R., & Field, P. (2023). Attention and Effectiveness: To ESOV and Beyond Part II. Advertising Council Australia. https://advertisingcouncil.org.au
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Marketing Effectiveness on a Budget Jun 03, 2025
    Show notes

    Research shows brands that over-invest in short-term performance marketing alone can cut their ROI by 20-50%. But when they shift to a balanced strategy with 40-60% brand building, ROI jumps by an average of 90%.
    In this episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob tackle how marketers can implement effectiveness principles without massive budgets. They explore how Dollar Shave Club drove 12,000 subscriptions with a $4,500 video, discuss the ideal channel mix for limited funds, and share practical tools making creativity more accessible than ever. Plus, discover which marketing tactics to protect when budgets get tight.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Brand and performance balance research
    • [02:30] Dollar Shave Club's $4,500 success
    • [05:20] Optimizing a $1 million media budget
    • [09:00] AI tools for creative production
    • [15:45] Convincing CFOs to invest in brand
    • [29:00] Marketing budget showdown game

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2025 The Australian Article: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/growth-agenda/brand-and-performance-ads-create-multiplier-effect-for-business-growth/news-story/4cd2d4896b58020979384f2b57a74122
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: Do Consumers Actually Want Privacy, or Just Better Ads? May 29, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore the paradox between consumers' stated privacy concerns and their willingness to share data for small incentives, revealing how privacy regulations affect the entire advertising ecosystem.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Privacy and Consumer Empowerment in Online Advertising"
    • [02:00] GDPR's impact on ad platforms and consumer behavior
    • [04:00] How data sharing affects product pricing
    • [05:00] The privacy paradox explained
    • [07:00] New privacy-friendly ad models
    • [10:00] Balancing personalization with cultural imprinting

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Choi, W. J., & Jerath, K. (2021). Privacy and Consumer Empowerment in Online Advertising. Forthcoming in Foundations and Trends in Marketing.
    Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=4017940
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Everything Works at Zero with Jordan Rossler May 27, 2025
    Show notes

    The most efficient frequency for TV advertising is just one impression. As controversial as that sounds, the data is clear. You need at least 2X more conversion likelihood from a second viewing to justify its cost.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Jordan Rossler, VP of Media Analytics, to explore why cost is the principal determinant of TV's ROI. They examine the controversial "Everything Works at Zero" principle, where any effective media becomes dramatically more efficient when you lower its cost. The team breaks down why CPM is king and how to evaluate if cheap media is still high quality.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] The "Everything Works at Zero" principle explained
    • [05:45] How TV pricing differs between linear and streaming
    • [12:00] Why frequency of one is the most efficient level for TV
    • [14:00] Creating ads that stand alone regardless of frequency
    • [16:30] The hidden costs of targeting in TV advertising
    • [19:00] Using ACR data to prove cost-efficient buys outperform premium ones
    • [23:45] Debunking myths about targeting effectiveness

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Reach, Revenue & ROI: The 3 Principles for Effective Advertising Report: https://www.marketingarchitects.com/blog/report-three-principles-for-effective-tv-advertising
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: How Marketing Varies by Digital Platform May 22, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how platform design influences marketing outcomes, revealing that each digital ecosystem creates unique challenges and opportunities that impact advertising effectiveness.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Platform Research in Marketing"
    • [04:00] How network effects shape platform economics
    • [05:10] The interaction between organic and paid content
    • [06:45] The impact of reviews and platform manipulation
    • [07:15] Self-preferencing and the ethics of content labeling
    • [09:30] Platform-specific insights for marketers

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Sen, A., Lambrecht, A., & Newby, J. (2025). Platform Research in Marketing. Carnegie Mellon University and London Business School.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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