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    The Marketing Architects

    Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos.

    Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more.

    Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Branded House vs House of Brands: What the Research Recommends Sep 02, 2025
    Show notes

    A 2020 study found that only the right brand architecture strategy maximizes reputation spillover while preventing underinvestment. But most companies make this critical decision based on emotion rather than data.
    This week, Elena, Rob, and Director of Brand Beth Kuchera explore when to use one brand across everything versus splitting them up. They reveal the five ways brand architecture impacts business success and share why getting this wrong can waste expensive "brain space" that's impossible to recover.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Research on branded house versus house of brands strategy
    • [05:00] Five ways brand architecture helps or harms your business
    • [10:00] Strategic upsides and downsides of branded house approach
    • [14:00] Creative challenges of extending versus building new brands
    • [17:00] Resources as the most important decision-making factor
    • [24:00] Measuring brand effectiveness across multiple products

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Yu, Jungju, A Model of Brand Architecture Choice: A House of Brands vs. A Branded House (May 28, 2020). Yu, J. (2021). A model of brand architecture choice: a house of brands vs. A branded house. Marketing Science, 40(1), 147-167., Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=3116284 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.3116284
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: When Brand Nicknames Help or Harm Aug 28, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how consumer-created brand nicknames can backfire when brands adopt them officially. They reveal why "nickname branding" hurts performance across key metrics and shifts power dynamics in ways that damage brand perception.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "BMW is Powerful, Beamer is Not: Nickname Branding Impairs Brand Performance"
    • [02:00] What nickname branding means and why brands do it
    • [03:00] Speech Act Theory and power dynamics in marketing
    • [04:00] When trying to be cool backfires spectacularly
    • [06:00] Competent vs. warm brands and nickname effects
    • [07:00] Transactional vs. communal messaging with nicknames

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Zhang, Zhe, Ning Ye, and Matthew Thomson. 2024. “BMW Is Powerful, Beemer Is Not: Nickname Branding Impairs Brand Performance.” Journal of Marketing 89 (1): 135–??. https://doi.org/10.1177/00222429241266586
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The Science of Budget Setting Aug 26, 2025
    Show notes

    Marketing budgets are a mess right now, says Mark Ritson. His solution? A simple, three-step system inspired by triple-cooked chips: spend 5-10% of revenue, balance long and short-term investment, and measure each piece properly.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob tackle one of the trickiest questions in marketing: how do you set a budget that actually drives growth? They explore Ritson's budgeting system, why marketers struggle to secure investment, and the frameworks needed to justify balanced spending.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Mark Ritson's three-step budgeting system
    • [04:00] High-growth companies spend far more than 5-10%
    • [11:00] The 60/40 rule and why most brands fall short
    • [15:00] Setting measurement expectations for brand vs performance spend
    • [20:00] How performance backgrounds shape budgeting approaches
    • [26:00] Keeping unallocated budget for real-time opportunities

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2022 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/ritson-triple-cooked-chips-marketing-budgets/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: How Advertising Builds Brand and Sales Simultaneously Aug 21, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how advertising creates both immediate sales and long-term brand value through an integrated approach that connects thinking, feeling, and doing.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Discovering How Advertising Grows Sales and Builds Brands"
    • [02:00] Do marketers design campaigns for both short- and long-term goals?
    • [04:00] The integrated hierarchy framework: think, feel, do
    • [05:00] Five years of soft drink brand data across 30,000 interviews
    • [07:00] Why this brand's path was experience, then think, then feel
    • [08:00] Advertising's direct impact on feelings and immediate sales

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Bruce, N. I., Peters, K., & Naik, P. A. (2012). Discovering how advertising grows sales and builds brands. Journal of Marketing Research. https://doi.org/10.1509/jmr.11.0060
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The Forgotten Half of Growth: Physical Availability Explained Aug 19, 2025
    Show notes

    75% of shoppers say they go to Amazon to find new products, even if they saw the brand elsewhere. Yet many companies still resist being there, missing massive opportunities for growth.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob dive into physical availability, the often-overlooked "place" in the marketing mix. They explore why D2C brands are rushing back to retail, share real campaign examples where distribution made the difference, and discuss what physical availability means in an AI-first world.
    Topics covered:

    • [02:00] Why "place" is the forgotten P in the marketing mix
    • [06:00] How D2C brands discovered the limits of digital-only strategies
    • [10:00] Real campaign examples where physical availability made the difference
    • [15:00] Brands doing physical availability right today
    • [19:00] Expanding your thinking about "place" beyond shelf space
    • [23:00] Brands we'd buy more if they were easier to find

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2025 WARC Article: https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/opinion/4ps---place-physical-availability-the-marketing-factor-youre-likely-overlooking/7010
    2025 AdAge Article: https://adage.com/article/marketing-news-strategy/state-dtc-warby-parker-rare-beauty-draper-james/2603761/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: What Marketers Get Wrong About Their Own Brands Aug 14, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob reveal the harsh truth about marketers' ability to judge their own brand elements. They explore why we're terrible at predicting how consumers will respond to our logos, colors, sounds, and taglines.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Assessing Branding Strength: Comparing Marketer Judgment and Consumer Data for Brand Identity Elements"
    • [02:00] Only 2% of marketer predictions are accurate
    • [04:00] Why we love our brands like our own dogs
    • [05:00] When marketers actually get it right
    • [06:00] Why teams beat individuals at brand judgment
    • [07:00] Don't trust your gut alone

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Graham, C., & Lowrey, T. M. (2023). Assessing branding strength: Comparing marketer judgement and consumer data for brand identity elements. International Journal of Research in Marketing, 40(4), 977–996. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijresmar.2023.06.006
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Where Did All the CMOs Go? Aug 12, 2025
    Show notes

    Only 40% of Fortune 500 marketing leaders actually hold the title Chief Marketing Officer. But average CMO tenure is now 4.3 years, up from last year. So is the CMO role really disappearing?
    New research from Spencer Stuart challenges the "CMO decline" narrative everyone loves to share. This week, Elena and Angela explore why this story gained traction, what effective marketing leadership looks like today, and how first-time CMOs can stay relevant. Plus, they share which brands they'd love to lead for one year.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Spencer Stuart's 2025 Fortune 500 CMO research findings
    • [07:00] Only 40% of marketing leaders use the CMO title
    • [10:00] Should CMOs handle roles beyond traditional marketing?
    • [12:00] What effective marketing leadership looks like today
    • [17:00] Biggest challenge facing first-time CMOs
    • [22:00] How companies should treat the CMO role differently

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2025 Spencer Stuart Report: https://www.spencerstuart.com/research-and-insight/cmo-tenure-study-2025-the-evolution-of-marketing-leadership
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: Why Your Hyper-Targeted Ads Might Be a Waste Aug 07, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob reveal how third-party audience targeting often delivers worse accuracy than random guessing, with demographic targeting hitting the right audience only 24.4% of the time compared to 26.5% accuracy from random targeting.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "How Effective is Third Party Consumer Profiling and Audience Delivery"
    • [02:00] The difference between first-party and third-party data
    • [04:00] Study results: 59% accuracy sounds good until you learn random targeting hits 26.5%
    • [05:00] Raw data accuracy drops to worse than random at 24.4%
    • [07:00] Interest-based targeting performs better than demographic targeting
    • [08:00] Third-party audiences are "economically unattractive"

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Lambrecht, A., Tucker, C., & Wiertz, C. (2019). How effective is third-party consumer profiling and audience delivery? Evidence from field studies. Marketing Science Institute Working Paper Series, 19-105.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The Brand Metrics That Matter with Kantar's Mary Kyriakidi Aug 05, 2025
    Show notes

    On average, brand equity accounts for over 30% of a company's value, yet most marketers still chase vanity metrics instead of measuring what drives real business results.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Kantar's Mary Kyriakidi to unpack findings from Kantar's Diary of a CMO Report. Mary explains why meaningful difference beats distinctiveness alone, how brands can build pricing power instead of defaulting to promotions, and what separates successful CMOs in the boardroom. Plus, learn about Kantar's meaningful, different, and salient framework and why brand equity should be treated as a financial asset.
    Topics covered:

    • [04:00] Why meaningful difference drives growth beyond distinctiveness alone
    • [09:00] How Kantar's meaningful, different, and salient framework works
    • [14:00] The promotion trap that destroys pricing power and brand equity
    • [16:00] How brands build pricing power through meaningfulness and difference
    • [21:00] What CMOs need to gain credibility in the boardroom
    • [23:00] Common mistakes when measuring brand performance

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Kantar’s Diary of a CMO Report: https://www.kantar.com/campaigns/diary-of-a-cmo
    Mary Kyriakidi’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-kyriakidi-4a5a4a57/?originalSubdomain=uk
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: When Being Simple Hurts Your Brand Jul 31, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We're breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob reveal how perceived brand simplicity creates higher consumer expectations that backfire when failures occur. They explore why simple brands face harsher judgment than complex ones when things go wrong.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Keep It Simple: Consumer Perceptions of Brand Simplicity and Risk"
    • [02:00] Simplicity versus vagueness in marketing
    • [03:00] How simple brands create lower risk perceptions
    • [04:00] YouTube TV's confusing interface betrays simple expectations
    • [05:00] Mental simplicity equals fewer moving parts
    • [06:00] The white couch analogy for brand disappointment

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or join our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Light, N., & Fernbach, P. M. (2024). Keep it simple? Consumer perceptions of brand simplicity and risk. Journal of Marketing Research. https://doi.org/10.1177/00222437241248413
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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