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    The Marketing Architects

    Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos.

    Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more.

    Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.

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    Latest Episodes:
    When It's Time to Invest in "Brand" May 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Think of brand as a turbocharger for your paid ads. It warms people up before they meet your call to action or come into market. But when is the right time to start investing in brand building over pure performance marketing, especially as a digital-first company?
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob explore when performance marketing reaches diminishing returns and why it's so difficult for marketers to shift budget toward brand. Plus, they share real client examples of how brand investment transformed businesses, including Old Spice's reinvention that increased sales 125% in just three months, and outline metrics beyond traditional brand studies that prove brand's impact on your business.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Research on brand equity's impact on ecommerce
    • [03:30] Signs your performance marketing is reaching diminishing returns
    • [09:00] How brand acts as a turbocharger for paid advertising
    • [15:00] Client success stories from brand investment
    • [20:00] Old Spice's brand reinvention that increased sales 125%
    • [28:00] Better ways to measure brand impact beyond brand studies

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Mokha, Anupreet. (2021). Brand Equity, Brand Satisfaction, and Brand Loyalty: A Study of Select E-Commerce Industry. International Journal of Online Marketing. 11. 34-50. 10.4018/IJOM.2021070103.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: The Bayesian Marketing Attribution Model May 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how Bayesian modeling offers a more nuanced approach to marketing attribution than traditional methods. They discuss why many marketers still rely on oversimplified attribution models despite their limitations.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "Bayesian Modeling of Marketing Attribution"
    • [03:00] Problems with traditional attribution models
    • [04:50] Why simple models persist despite their flaws
    • [06:00] Key components of Bayesian attribution
    • [08:00] Rapid decay of ad effects and negative interaction effects
    • [09:45] How this approach can offer deeper marketing insights

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Sinha, R., Arbour, D., & Puli, A. (2022). Bayesian Modeling of Marketing Attribution.
    Available at arXiv:2205.15965
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Marketing Moves That Win in a Downturn May 13, 2025
    Show notes

    94% of advertisers are concerned about how tariffs might impact their budgets according to an IAB survey. Of those planning cuts, 60% expect a 6-10% decrease in ad spend, while 22% anticipate cuts of 11-20%.
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob explore what the research says about marketing during economic downturns. They discuss how brands that maintain or increase spending during tough times consistently gain market share, why creative thinking matters more than ever, and the smartest ways to adjust your strategy if budget cuts are unavoidable.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Current economic landscape and marketer uncertainty
    • [05:00] Predicted impact of tariffs on US media ad spending
    • [07:00] Research showing companies that increased ad spend by 50% during recession saw 1.5% market share growth
    • [09:00] Creative marketing examples from economic downturns
    • [13:00] Ways to reduce marketing spend without damaging your brand
    • [17:30] Where to double down if you have available budget
    • [21:00] Finding personal comfort rituals during uncertain times

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Tellis, Gerard & Tellis, Kethan. (2009). A Critical Review and Synthesis of Research on Advertising in a Recession. Journal of Advertising Research. 49. 10.2501/S0021849909090400. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228272297_A_Critical_Review_and_Synthesis_of_Research_on_Advertising_in_a_Recession
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: How AI Will Change Marketing Structures May 08, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how AI transforms workplace collaboration. A groundbreaking Procter & Gamble study reveals that individuals using AI match team performance, while AI-human teams produce superior results.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Cybernetic Teammate: A Field Experiment on Generative AI Reshaping Teamwork"
    • [03:00] Field experiment setup and methodology
    • [04:35] How AI helps break departmental silos
    • [05:10] Improved emotional experience when working with AI
    • [06:05] AI integration beyond productivity
    • [07:00] AI-human collaboration creating "blended intelligence"

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Dell’Acqua, F., Ayoubi, C., Lifshitz, H., Sadun, R., Mollick, E., Mollick, L., Han, Y., Goldman, J., Nair, H., Taub, S., & Lakhani, K. (2025). The Cybernetic Teammate: A Field Experiment on Generative AI Reshaping Teamwork and Expertise. Harvard Business School Working Paper No. 25-043
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The Differentiation vs Distinctiveness Debate May 06, 2025
    Show notes

    Only 15% of brand assets are truly distinctive. And just 19% of logos achieve "gold" status in recognizability according to a study by Ipsos and JKR. So which marketing strategy matters more: differentiation or distinctiveness?
    In this episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob debate whether brands should focus on meaningful differentiation or memorable distinctiveness. The hosts explore research showing that while differentiation plays a more limited role than traditionally assumed, distinctiveness is crucial for getting into consumers' consideration sets. They also examine how category dynamics impact which strategy dominates and share real-world examples of brands that excel at either approach.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Research from Rob Myerson on Byron Sharp's distinctiveness claims
    • [03:00] The case for focusing on distinctiveness in marketing
    • [06:00] Why differentiation gives brands resilience and pricing power
    • [09:00] How category dynamics impact strategy importance
    • [12:30] The role of distinctiveness in TV advertising effectiveness
    • [19:00] Examples of brands excelling at distinctiveness vs differentiation

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2021 WARC Article: https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/opinion/what-does-byron-sharps-research-really-tell-us-about-differentiation/en-gb/4314
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: Does Creative Consistency Matter? May 01, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how sticking with the same creative platform drives better results. Based on research analyzing 4,000 ads, they reveal why consistency isn't boring—it's a powerful force that compounds over time.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Magic of Compound Creativity"
    • [01:45] When brands should consider changing creative
    • [03:00] How consistency impacts creative quality scores
    • [04:35] Why creative elements get better with age
    • [06:05] The business impact of creative consistency
    • [08:40] The compounding effect of brand continuity

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    System1 & IPA (2024). The Magic of Compound Creativity: How consistency leads to creative quality, stronger brands and greater profits. With data from the IPA Effectiveness Databank
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    What Marketers Get Wrong About Targeting Apr 29, 2025
    Show notes

    Only a third of agencies believe their clients provide a clear target audience in their briefs. So how can we build effective targeting strategies that drive real business growth?
    In this episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob tackle the misunderstood world of targeting in marketing. They explore why defining your target audience isn't just a media decision but a foundational strategic choice. Plus they examine the flaws in third-party data targeting and provide practical advice for maximizing reach without wasting budget on ineffective targeting tactics.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] Why marketers should be wary of "algorithmic hanky panky"
    • [03:30] The misconception that brands grow through narrow audience targeting
    • [07:00] How digital platforms introduce bias in AB testing
    • [11:00] The major pitfalls of third-party data for targeting
    • [14:00] Balancing targeting precision with cost-effectiveness
    • [17:00] Top targeting strategies that deliver without sacrificing reach
    • [20:00] The surprising success of broad targeting for brand growth

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2025 MarketingWeek Article: https://www.marketingweek.com/ritson-ignore-anyone-targeting/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: Do Discounts Damage Brands? The Truth About Price Promotions Apr 24, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore whether price promotions deliver more than just temporary sales spikes. They examine how different product categories respond to discounts and reveal when promotions might help or harm brand loyalty.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Long-Term Effects on Category Incidents"
    • [02:00] How soup and yogurt categories respond to promotions
    • [03:00] The short-term impact of discounts on sales
    • [05:00] Premium brands and the "discount doom loop"
    • [07:00] When promotions actually build customer retention
    • [08:30] Using offers effectively for new TV advertisers

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Pauwels, K., Hanssens, D. M., & Siddarth, S. (2002). The long-term effects of price promotions on category incidence, brand choice, and purchase quantity. Journal of Marketing Research, 39(4), 421–439. https://doi.org/10.1509/jmkr.39.4.421.19114
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The Louder You Are, the More You Grow: Why ESOV Still Works Apr 22, 2025
    Show notes

    A study from Les Binet and Peter Field found that for every 10-point increase in excess share of voice, brands see around a 0.5% annual market share growth on average. But does this marketing principle still hold true in today's fragmented media landscape?
    This week, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by VP of Strategy Dan Cleveland to explore excess share of voice (ESOV) and its enduring relevance. They dive into how ESOV correlates with growth, why it's still a valuable planning tool, and what happens when brands let their share of voice slip below market share. Plus, discover why TV remains crucial for building the top-of-funnel awareness that drives long-term brand performance.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] The history of share of voice and why it matters
    • [03:30] How excess share of voice links to market share growth
    • [08:00] When ESOV doesn't work (and what that reveals)
    • [12:30] Using share of search as a real-time metric
    • [16:00] Why top-of-funnel channels drive brand awareness
    • [21:00] The risks of underspending compared to your share of market
    • [27:00] Practical steps to apply ESOV to your strategy

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2023 IPA Article: https://ipa.co.uk/knowledge/ipa-blog/esov-an-excessive-focus-on-the-wrong-thing/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: The Power of Creative Advertising Apr 17, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how creative advertisements can actually hurt the performance of regular ads shown alongside them. They discuss why brands with smaller budgets should still prioritize creativity to avoid getting lost in the mix.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Power of Creative Advertising: Creative Ads Impair Recall and Attitudes Towards Other Ads"
    • [03:00] How creative ads affect surrounding regular ads
    • [04:35] The dramatic drop in recall when creative ads are repeated
    • [05:10] Why regular ads are judged more harshly after creative ones
    • [06:30] The "Super Bowl effect" and competitive ad environments
    • [07:00] Creating memorable ads on smaller budgets

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Jin, H. S., Kerr, G., Suh, J., Kim, H. J., & Sheehan, B. (2022). The power of creative advertising: Creative ads impair recall and attitudes toward other ads. International Journal of Advertising, 41(3), 1-21.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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