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    The Marketing Architects

    Introducing a research-first podcast that builds revenue, not condos.

    Answer questions on the biggest marketing trends and news with discussions based in marketing, psychology and economics research. Along the way, learn about marketing accountability, category leadership, brand-building and much more.

    Featuring a team of experienced marketers whose blueprints for success are marketing strategies actually proven to work.

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    Latest Episodes:
    The New Rules of Great Video Creative with Steve Babcock Apr 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Marketers only accurately predict the outcome of an A/B test 52% of the time. With today's viewers constantly multitasking, creative has seconds—not minutes—to make an impact. But many brands still rely on outdated approaches, leading to forgettable commercials.
    In this episode, Elena, Angela, and Rob are joined by Chief Creative Officer Steve Babcock to discuss Marketing Architects' new report on TV creative effectiveness. They explore why strategy must come first, why pretesting is no longer optional, storytelling lessons from marketing effectiveness research, and how AI is enhancing (not replacing) human creativity.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] New research on what makes TV creative effective in 2025
    • [05:00] Why the old creative playbook no longer works
    • [08:00] Finding the "elephant in the room" for strategic development
    • [13:00] How AI-powered pretesting is changing creative development
    • [21:00] The cost of "dull" advertising that evokes no emotion
    • [25:00] Using AI as a creative engineering tool
    • [36:00] The future of "shootless" video production

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2025 Marketing Architects Report: https://www.marketingarchitects.com/NewRules
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: The Science Behind Emotional Advertising Apr 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how emotions outweigh logic in advertising effectiveness. They discuss research showing emotional responses are nearly twice as powerful as cognitive factors in driving purchase intent across nearly all product categories.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Power of Effect: Predicting Intention"
    • [02:00] Rational vs. emotional decision-making
    • [03:00] The AdSAM non-verbal research tool
    • [05:00] Where emotion dominates across product categories
    • [06:45] The one category where logic outperforms emotion
    • [09:30] Creating ads that evoke the right feelings

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Morris, J. D., Woo, C., Geason, J. A., & Kim, J. (2002). The power of affect: Predicting intention.Journal of Advertising Research, 42(3), 7-17.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The CTV Hype Cycle: Separating Fact from Fiction Apr 08, 2025
    Show notes

    CTV ad revenue is projected to reach $28 billion this year, but 39% of advertisers still cite transparency in ad placements as a major concern. Is Connected TV delivering on its promises or falling short?
    This episode, Elena and Angela are joined by Chief Media Officer Catherine Walstad to discuss the state of CTV advertising. They explore the maturing optimism around streaming TV and share practical advice for navigating this complex but essential channel. Learn why CTV shouldn't be viewed as either brand or performance marketing, but as a powerful complement to linear TV.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] CTV usage and ad spend projections through 2026
    • [03:30] Current marketing sentiment around CTV advertising
    • [06:00] Defining CTV, OTT, and streaming terminology
    • [09:00] Is CTV delivering on its ROI promises?
    • [11:00] CTV's role in both brand and performance marketing
    • [18:00] Why CTV advertising has high CPMs and hidden costs
    • [21:00] CTV measurement challenges and solutions
    • [27:00] How fragmentation impacts advertisers and viewers
    • [29:30] Emerging CTV trends like shoppable and interactive ads

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2025 eMarketer Article: https://www.emarketer.com/content/5-things-know-about-ctv-advertising-platforms
    2025 Ad Exchanger Article: https://www.adexchanger.com/tv/buyers-say-ctvs-transparency-problem-remains-a-roadblock-to-investment/
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: Why Humor Wins in Advertising Apr 03, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how humor in advertising drives stronger brand recall and sales despite its 37% decline over the past two decades. They reveal why creating memorable, relatable comedy leads to measurable business results.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "What's Working in Humorous Advertising"
    • [02:30] The decline of humor in modern advertising
    • [03:45] Data proving funny ads outperform competitors
    • [05:10] How humor magnifies brand memories
    • [06:05] Why humor drives brand fame
    • [07:20] Balancing humor with brand connection

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    WARC. (2025). What’s Working in Humorous Advertising. WARC Strategy. Retrieved from WARC.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Advancing Marketing Effectiveness in the USA with WARC's Lexi Wolf Apr 01, 2025
    Show notes

    Only 90% of marketers see an ROI boost when they add brand building to performance marketing. Yet American marketers still struggle to prioritize effectiveness over efficiency, with many optimizing for lower costs rather than long-term business growth.
    This week, Elena and Rob are joined by Lexi Wolf, Head of Advisory at WARC North America, to explore how marketing effectiveness is gaining momentum in the U.S. Lexi breaks down key findings from WARC's groundbreaking "Multiplier Effect" research, revealing why brand and performance marketing aren't opposing forces but rather complementary strategies that multiply each other's impact. Plus, learn how top marketers create creative platforms that drive both long-term equity and immediate sales.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] The state of marketing effectiveness in the U.S. versus other regions
    • [05:30] Why marketers struggle with marketing marketing itself
    • [10:30] How effectiveness principles should be directional, not prescriptive
    • [17:00] The "advertising doom loop" and how to escape it
    • [20:00] Why strong brands make your entire marketing funnel more efficient
    • [24:00] Creating creative platforms that work for both brand and performance
    • [32:00] Resources for marketers new to effectiveness principles

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    2023 WARC Report: https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/opinion/in-the-us-its-time-to-talk-about-marketing-effectiveness/en-gb/6132
    The Multiplier Effect Report: https://page.warc.com/the-multiplier-effect-report
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: The Psychology Behind Direct Mail Performance Mar 27, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob uncover what design elements actually drive direct mail success. They explore research showing that opening and keeping mail require different strategies, with personalization playing a critical role in campaign effectiveness.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Effects of Mailing Design Characteristics on Direct Mail Campaign Performance"
    • [02:45] The impact of extreme personalization
    • [03:40] Why opening rates don't correlate with keeping rates
    • [05:10] Design elements that increase open rates
    • [06:00] Features that make people keep mail instead of tossing it
    • [07:30] Finding the balance between brand building and direct response

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter
    Resources:
    Feld, S., Frenzen, H., Krafft, M., Peters, K., & Verhoef, P. C. (2013). The effects of mailing design characteristics on direct mail campaign performance.International Journal of Research in Marketing, 30(2), 143-159. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijresmar.2012.07.003
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    The Potential of AI Video with Seth Woodall Mar 25, 2025
    Show notes

    AI video tools have created lifelike Coca-Cola trucks, festive scenes, and even Angela's face in today's episode. These jaw-dropping demonstrations highlight how rapidly AI video has evolved and the debate this technology is creating.
    This week, Elena and Rob are joined by Seth Woodall, Director of AI Visual Arts at Misfits & Machines and creator of the viral "Pepperoni Hug Spot" commercial. Together, they explore the state of AI video creation, misconceptions about the technology, and what's next for marketers looking to incorporate these tools. Plus, discover why AI-powered creative techniques will become standard production methods and indistinguishable from traditionally created work.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] The controversy behind Coca-Cola's AI holiday commercial
    • [07:00] How Seth created the viral "Pepperoni Hug Spot" AI commercial
    • [15:45] Why AI video expertise is hard to find in traditional agencies
    • [18:00] Predictions for AI video quality improvements
    • [21:30] AI tools like Comfy UI, Flux and LoRAs
    • [26:00] Common misconceptions about how AI video is created
    • [29:30] The democratization of high-quality video creation

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    NBC News 2024 Article: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/coca-cola-causes-controversy-ai-made-ad-rcna180665
    Pepperoni Hug Spot Commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSewd6Iaj6I
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: The Dirichlet Effect: Predicting Brand Loyalty Mar 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We're breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore how the Dirichlet model challenges common beliefs about brand loyalty. They reveal why most consumers aren't deeply loyal to specific brands and why reaching new customers matters more than increasing loyalty.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Dirichlet: A Comprehensive Model of Buying Behavior"
    • [02:00] What products do we buy without brand loyalty?
    • [03:45] How brand share predicts buying behavior
    • [04:30] Why acquisition drives loyalty, not vice versa
    • [05:00] Most buyers are light buyers who purchase infrequently
    • [06:00] The shocking truth about Coca-Cola's customer base

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    Goodhardt, G. J., Ehrenberg, A. S. C., & Chatfield, C. (1984). The Dirichlet: A comprehensive model of buying behaviour.Journal of the Royal Statistical Society: Series A (General), 147(5), 621–655.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Marketing Like a Challenger with Chuck Hengel Mar 18, 2025
    Show notes

    In Peter Field's article "Challenger Thinking is How Brands Drive Growth," he states that challenger brands aren't born just from unique founders or lucky circumstances. Challenger thinking is actually how brands grow.
    This week, Elena and Angela are joined by Marketing Architects founder Chuck Hengel to talk about marketing like a challenger brand. Chuck shares stories from creating and marketing HurryCane (the first walking cane to stand on its own) and Stuffies (a children's toy with hidden pockets), revealing key insights about broad audience targeting, distinctive brand assets, and why every department contributes to marketing success.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] What defines a challenger brand
    • [04:45] Why marketing should connect to every business function
    • [09:00] The consumer insight that created the HurryCane
    • [14:00] The importance of brand fame and broad mental availability
    • [16:00] Finding and targeting the right audience for Stuffies
    • [22:00] The power of "smashable branding" and distinctive assets

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    The Challenger Project Article: https://thechallengerproject.com/blog/2019/peter-field-on-challenger-brands?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Nerd Alert: The Multiplier Effect: Debunking Brand vs. Performance Mar 13, 2025
    Show notes

    Welcome to Nerd Alert, a series of special episodes bridging the gap between marketing academia and practitioners. We’re breaking down highly involved, complex research into plain language and takeaways any marketer can use.
    In this episode, Elena and Rob explore why the brand versus performance debate misses the point. They discover that integrating both approaches creates a powerful multiplier effect that can boost revenue ROI by up to 90%.
    Topics covered:

    • [01:00] "The Multiplier Effect: A CMO's Guide to Brand Building in the Performance Era"
    • [03:00] The performance plateau problem
    • [04:00] Revenue ROI declines 40% when brand building stops
    • [05:00] Brand and performance integration increases ROI by 25-100%
    • [06:00] The best brands allocate 40-60% to brand building
    • [06:45] Paid search is over-credited by 190% in conversions

    To learn more, visit marketingarchitects.com/podcast or subscribe to our newsletter at marketingarchitects.com/newsletter.
    Resources:
    WARC, Analytic Partners, BERA.ai, Prophet, & System1. (2025). The Multiplier Effect: A CMO’s Guide to Brand Building in the Performance Era. WARC.
    Get more research-backed marketing strategies by subscribing to The Marketing Architects on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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