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    On Wisdom

    What does it actually take to think wisely? On Wisdom digs into the empirical science of wisdom, judgment, and decision-making, and what it means for how we live. Igor Grossmann runs the Wisdom & Culture Lab at the University of Waterloo. Charles Cassidy runs the Evidence-Based Wisdom project in London. Each episode pairs freewheeling conversation with guest spots from leading behavioural scientists working on reasoning, wellbeing, culture, and society. Past guests include Adam Grant, Jonathan Haidt, Paul Bloom, Shannon Vallor, Lisa Barrett, David Dunning, Mara Mather, Tom Gilovich, Laura Carstensen, Oliver Burkeman, Simine Vazire, Dacher Keltner, and more. This autumn: a five-episode special series built around the first Annual Review of Psychology chapter on wisdom since 2011, featuring fifteen scholars on narrative, metacognition, measurement, training, and the neuroscience of wise decisions.

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    38: World After Covid series: Wisdom for Positive Consequences (Pt. II) - Critical Thinking, Intellectual Humility, Political Cooperation, and Solidarity Jun 30, 2021
    Show notes

    What kind of wisdom will people need to capitalize on the positive societal and/or psychological change after the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses from 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of critical thinking, intellectual humility, political cooperation, and solidarity in the midst of the pandemic. Igor wrestles with the challenge of identifying experts while lacking expertise ourselves, and Charles considers the potential downsides of clamouring for resignations when our leaders make mistakes.

    Featuring:
    David Dunning, Social Psychologist and recipient of the Distinguished Lifetime Career Award from the International Society for Self and Identity.
    Mark Schaller, Professor of Psychology at the University of British Columbia
    David Passig, Futurist, lecturer, consultant and best–selling author
    Jennifer Lerner, Thornton Bradshaw Professor of Public Policy, Decision Science, and Management at the Harvard Kennedy School

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Everyone Was Wrong on the Pandemic’s Societal Impact: Foreign Policy - Varnum, Hutcherson, Grossmann (2021)
    • Estimating societal effects of COVID-19 - Hutcherson, Sharpinsky, Varnum, Rotella, Wormley, Tay, Grossmann (2021, preprint)
    • How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • The Dunning-Kruger effect: Misunderstood, misrepresented, overused and … non-existent? - Skepchick (2020)
    • Dunning-Kruger Isn't Real - Psychology Today (2020)
    • David Dunning Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Mark Schaller Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • David Passig Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Jennifer Lerner Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    37: World After Covid series: Wisdom for Positive Consequences (Pt. I) - Sympathy and Compassion, Self-distancing, Perspective-taking, and Learning from pandemics Jun 03, 2021
    Show notes

    What kind of wisdom will people need to capitalize on the positive societal and/or psychological change after the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses from 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of sympathy and compassion, self-distancing, perspective-taking, and learning from pandemics in the midst of the pandemic. Igor wonders what being empathetic and compassionate even looks like online, and Charles ponders lessons not learned from past global catastrophes.

    Featuring:
    Roxane Cohen Silver, Social-Personality Psychologist and Adversity Research Trailblazer
    Laura Carstensen, Fairleigh S. Dickinson Jr. Professor in Public Policy and Founding Director of the Stanford Center on Longevity
    Edouard Machery, Distinguished Professor in the Department of History and Philosophy of Science and the Director of the Center for Philosophy of Science at the University of Pittsburgh
    Anand Menon, Professor of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at King’s College London

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Roxane Cohen Silver Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Laura Carstensen Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Edouard Machery Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Anand Menon Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    36: World After Covid series: Positive Consequences (Part II) - Political cooperation, Nature, Solidarity, and Prosocial behaviours Apr 13, 2021
    Show notes

    Which domain or aspect of social life will show the most significant positive societal and/or psychological change in response to the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses given to the question about positive change in response to the pandemic by 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of political cooperation, nature, solidarity, and prosocial behaviour in the midst of the pandemic.

    Featuring:
    Dagomar Degroot, Associate Professor of Environmental History at Georgetown University
    Shinobu Kitayama, Robert B. Zajonc Collegiate Professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan
    Katie McLaughlin, John L. Loeb Associate Professor of the Social Sciences at Harvard University
    Barry Schwartz, Emeritus Professor of Psychology at Swarthmore College

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Dagomar Degroot Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Shinobu Kitayama Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Katie McLaughlin Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Barry Schwartz Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    35: World After Covid series: Positive Consequences (Part I) - Political and structural change, Care for elders, Social connectedness, and Reconsidering habits Feb 09, 2021
    Show notes

    Which domain or aspect of social life will show the most significant positive societal and/or psychological change in response to the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses given to the question about positive change in response to the pandemic by 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of political and structural change, care for elders, social connectedness, and reconsidering habits in the midst of the pandemic.

    Featuring:
    Ayse K. Uskul, Professor of Social Psychology at the University of Kent
    Michael Ross, Distinguished Professor Emeritus at the University of Waterloo
    Harry Reis, Professor of Psychology at the University of Rochester
    James Gross, Professor of Psychology and Director of the Psychophysiology Laboratory at Stanford University

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Ayse Uskul Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Michael Ross Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Harry Reis Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • James Gross Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    34: World After Covid series: Wisdom for Now (Part II) - What's important, Living in the moment, Social connectedness, and Shared humanity Jan 18, 2021
    Show notes

    What one piece of wisdom is important to give to people now to help them make it through the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses given to this critical question by 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of what's important, living in the moment, social connectedness, and shared humanity in the midst of the pandemic.

    Featuring:
    Yukiko Ushida, Professor of Social and Cultural Psychology at the Kokoro Research Center, Kyoto University
    Dacher Keltner, Professor of Psychology and Director of the Greater Good Science Center
    Wendy Mendes, Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at UC San Francisco
    Michael Bond, Cross-cultural Social Psychologist

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Yukiko Ushida Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Dacher Keltner Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Wendy Mendes Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Michael Bond Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    33: World After Covid series: Wisdom for Now (Part I) Jan 06, 2021
    Show notes

    What one piece of wisdom is important to give to people now to help them make it through the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses given to this critical question by 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of agency and control, long-term orientation, social connectedness, solidarity, and perspective-taking in the midst of the pandemic.

    Featuring:
    Michael Norton, Social Psychologist from Harvard Business School
    Robert Sternberg, Psychologist and Wisdom Research Pioneer
    Roxane Cohen Silver, Social - Personality Psychologist and Adversity Research Trailblazer
    Valerie Tiberius, Philosopher and Author

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Michael Norton Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Robert Sternberg Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Roxane Cohen Silver Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Valerie Tiberius Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    32: Shifting Gears: Wisdom in the 'World After Covid' Nov 30, 2020
    Show notes

    After 2 and a half years of podcasting, 30+ episodes, 50,000+ downloads, and one global pandemic, it's time for an exciting announcement from the On Wisdom team...

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    31: The Meaning of Wisdom Before and During the Pandemic (with Ricca Edmondson) Nov 10, 2020
    Show notes

    Does wisdom reside in particular persons, or is wisdom more about what happens between people? And if wisdom does require a social context, what are the implications of our new social distancing habits since the rise of the pandemic? Ricca Edmondson joins Igor and Charles to discuss novel ethnographic approaches to the study of wisdom, the significance of Irish funeral rituals, new lessons from old Trojan horses, and the value of framing wisdom as a social construction. Originally recorded at the start of the pandemic, Ricca returned for a retrospective at the close of the episode, to share her opinions on the meaning of wisdom in these rapidly changing times, and in our future post-pandemic society. Igor muses about big and small wisdom, and Charles asks Ricca about the world after the pandemic. Welcome to the wisdom and pandemic episode!

    Special Guest: Ricca Edmondson.

    Links:

    • Ricca Edmondson
    • The Self, Motivation & Virtue Project: Motivating the Self to Virtue in Western and non-Western Countries: Does Nation or Faith Matter More?
    • Motivating the Self to Virtue in Western and non-Western Countries (2015) - video
    • A Social Interpretation of Personal Wisdom - Book Chapter in The Scientific Study of Personal Wisdom (2013)
    • Wisdom in Context - Igor Grossmann (2017)
    • Why the Irish get Death Right (2017) - The Guardian
    30: Emotions, Attention, and Decision Making in the Aging Brain (with Mara Mather) Aug 16, 2020
    Show notes

    Despite the common stereotype of ‘older and crankier,’ psychologists suggest we become more positive as we age. Why? Do our aging brains become worse at detecting threats in the environment? Do we choose to focus on more positive aspects of our experience as we age? And what does the latest scientific research say about one of the major dangers of older age — Alzheimer’s disease? Mara Mather joins Igor and Charles to discuss the neuroscience of emotional aging, the role of the locus coeruleus in memory and attention, emotion-induced blindness, and the parallels between Cardiovascular disease and Alzheimer’s disease. Igor digs into the different roles of culture and the lack of good longitudinal studies of aging, Mara reveals how intense emotions can sharpen some aspects of our memories of an event while blunting others, and Charles learns that he and many others may be on the Alzheimer’s spectrum. Welcome to Episode 30.

    Special Guest: Mara Mather.

    Links:

    • Emotion & Cognition Lab - Emotion & Cognition Lab
    • Point-and-Shoot Memories: The Influence of Taking Photos on Memory for a Museum Tour - L. Henkel (2013)
    • Preferences for emotional information in older and younger adults: A meta-analysis of memory and attention tasks. - PsycNET
    • Meta-Analysis of the Age-Related Positivity Effect: Age Differences in Preferences for Positive Over Negative Information
    • Optimism for the Future in Younger and Older Adults - K Durbin, S Barber, M Brown, M Mather (2017)
    • A Cultural Perspective on Emotional Experiences Across the Life Span - Grossmann, Karasawa, Kitayama (2014)
    • The Locus Coeruleus: Essential for Maintaining Cognitive Function and the Aging Brain - M Mather, C Harley (2017)
    • Rostral locus coeruleus integrity is associated with better memory performance in older adults - M Dahl, M Mather, S Düzel, N Bodammer, U Lindenberger, S Kühn, M Werkle-Bergner (2019)
    • Arousal increases neural gain via the locus coeruleus–noradrenaline system in younger adults but not in older adults - T Lee, S Greening, T Ueno, D Clewett, A Ponzio, M Sakaki, M Mather (2018)
    • Iowa Gambling Task
    • Balloon Analog Risk Task - Conduct Science
    29: Charting Pandemic Waters: A Common Wisdom Model for Uncertain Times (with Howard Nusbaum) Jun 21, 2020
    Show notes

    What is the value of wisdom in the time of the global pandemic? Does the community of behavioural scientists studying wisdom agree on anything about the nature of wisdom? Can we say what we now know about wisdom and, conversely, what do we know we don’t yet know? Howard Nusbaum joins Igor and Charles to discuss the recently assembled Toronto Wisdom Task Force and the resulting Common Wisdom Model, meta-cognition, the thorny issue of moral-grounding, and sage advice regarding how to measure wisdom in the lab. Igor stresses the importance of building solid theoretical foundations for the field in the context of the pandemic, Howard reflects on the viability of evil wisdom, and Charles learns that we had better pay close attention today to the values we program into the decision-making robots of tomorrow. Welcome to Episode 29.

    Special Guest: Howard Nusbaum.

    Links:

    • The Science of Wisdom in a Polarized World: Knowns and Unknowns: Psychological Inquiry: Vol 31, No 2
    • A Common Model Is Essential for a Cumulative Science of Wisdom: Psychological Inquiry: Vol 31, No 2
    • University of Chicago Center for Practical Wisdom | Center for Practical Wisdom | The University of Chicago
    • Wisdom in Context - Igor Grossmann, 2017
    • Toronto Wisdom Task Force Meeting 2019 (edited) - YouTube
    • AI Open Letter - Future of Life Institute
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