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    On Wisdom

    What does it actually take to think wisely? On Wisdom digs into the empirical science of wisdom, judgment, and decision-making, and what it means for how we live. Igor Grossmann runs the Wisdom & Culture Lab at the University of Waterloo. Charles Cassidy runs the Evidence-Based Wisdom project in London. Each episode pairs freewheeling conversation with guest spots from leading behavioural scientists working on reasoning, wellbeing, culture, and society. Past guests include Adam Grant, Jonathan Haidt, Paul Bloom, Shannon Vallor, Lisa Barrett, David Dunning, Mara Mather, Tom Gilovich, Laura Carstensen, Oliver Burkeman, Simine Vazire, Dacher Keltner, and more. This autumn: a five-episode special series built around the first Annual Review of Psychology chapter on wisdom since 2011, featuring fifteen scholars on narrative, metacognition, measurement, training, and the neuroscience of wise decisions.

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    58: The Social Robots are Coming! (with Kerstin Dautenhahn) Nov 01, 2023
    Show notes

    Can we create wise robots? Kerstin Dautenhahn joins Igor and Charles to dive into the intriguing world of social robots, the finer points of “Robotiquette,” and the potential role such robots can play in supporting therapeutic treatments. Igor reflects on the limits of robot-based wisdom, Kerstin reveals the potential of Generative AI like ChatGPT to generate false information about her own professional identity, and Charles considers the perils of socially awkward machines. Welcome to Episode 58.

    Special Guest: Kerstin Dautenhahn.

    Links:

    • Kerstin Dautenhahn's page | University of Waterloo
    • Social and Intelligent Robotics Research Laboratory (SIRRL)
    • Robots are not human, even if we want them to be | Kerstin Dautenhahn | TEDxEastEnd
    • Socially intelligent robots: dimensions of human–robot interaction - Dautenhahn (2007)
    • Potential Applications of Social Robots in Robot-Assisted Interventions for Social Anxiety - S Rasouli, G Gupta, E Nilsen, K Dautenhahn (2022)
    • User Evaluation of Social Robots as a Tool in One-to-One Instructional Settings for Students with Learning Disabilities - N Azizi , S Chandra, M Gray, J Fane, M Sager, K Dautenhahn (2023)
    • Opportunities for social robots in the stuttering clinic: A review and proposed scenarios - S Chandra, G Gupta, T Loucks, K Dautenhahn (2022)

    57: The Epic Challenge of Knowing Thyself (with David Dunning) Oct 07, 2023
    Show notes

    Can we ever really know ourselves, or are we destined to always make overly optimistic self-assessments? David Dunning joins Igor and Charles to discuss the Dunning-Kruger effect, the importance of asking the right questions, why arriving at an accurate view of ourselves is so challenging, and the implications for teaching, medicine, and even scientific research. Igor explores the possible reemergence of group assessments in education as a result of advances in AI, David shares why conversations with smart people often end up as competitions to ask the most questions, and Charles reflects on the wisdom-enhancing experience of jury service. Welcome to Episode 57.

    Special Guest: David Dunning.

    Links:

    • Unskilled and unaware of it: how difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments - J Kruger, D Dunning (1999)
    • The association between objective and subjective financial literacy: Failure to observe the Dunning-Kruger effect - Gilles E. Gignac (2022)
    • Flawed Self-Assessment: Implications for Health, Education, and the Workplace - David Dunning Chip Heath Jerry M. Suls (2004)
    • Feeling "Holier Than Thou": Are Self-Serving Assessments Produced by Errors in Self- or Social Prediction? - Nicholas Epley, David Dunning (2000)
    • Why People Fail to Recognize Their Own Incompetence - David Dunning1. Kerri Johnson Joyce Ehrlinger Justin Kruger (2003)
    • The Dunning–Kruger Effect: On Being Ignorant of One's Own Ignorance | Book Chapter - David Dunning (2011)

    56: Awe Reloaded (with Dacher Keltner) Aug 29, 2023
    Show notes

    Have we overlooked a major source of awe, right under our collective noses? Dacher Keltner returns to the On Wisdom studio to discuss his new book "Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life", the power of moral beauty, the desire for connection, and the importance of wandering. Igor suggest that awe can also entail feelings of terror, Dacher reflects on the perils of awe being used against us, and Charles shares his experience of an awe walk-around-the-bloc. Welcome to Episode 56.

    Special Guest: Dacher Keltner.

    Links:

    • Dacher Keltner | UC Psych
    • Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life
    • Greater Good: The Science of a Meaningful Life
    • Berkeley Social Interaction Laboratory
    • Dacher Keltner: Why Awe Is Such an Important Emotion - YouTube
    • The Science of Happiness Podcast | Greater Good
    • Awe as a scientific emotion - Gottlieb, Keltner, Lombrozo (2018)
    • Self-Transcendent Awe as a Moral Grounding of Wisdom - Dacher Keltner, Paul K. Piff (2020)
    • Awe and humility. - PubMed - NCBI - Stellar, gordon, Anderson, Piff, McNeil, Keltner (2018)
    • Why Do We Feel Awe? | Greater Good
    • Why Does Awe Have Prosocial Effects? New Perspectives on Awe and the Small Self - Joshua D. Perlin, Leon Li (2020)
    • Awe Motivates Authentic-Self Pursuit via Self-Transcendence: Implications for Prosociality - Tonglin Jiang, Constantine Sedikides (2021)

    55: Wise of the Machines (with Sina Fazelpour) Aug 05, 2023
    Show notes

    How can we make AI wiser? And could AI make us wiser in return? Sina Fazelpour joins Igor and Charles to discuss the problem of bias in algorithms, how we might make machine learning systems more diverse, and the thorny challenge of alignment. Igor considers whether interacting with AIs might help us achieve higher levels of understanding, Sina suggests that setting up AIs to promote certain values may be problematic in a pluralistic society, and Charles is intrigued to learn about the opportunities offered by teaming up with our machine friends. Welcome to Episode 55.

    Special Guest: Sina Fazelpour.

    Links:

    • Sina Fazelpour's Website
    • AI and the transformation of social science research | Science - Igor Grossmann, Matthew Feinberg, Dawn C. Parker, Nicholas A. Christakis, Philip E. Tetlock, Willian A. Cunningham (2023)
    • Algorithmic Fairness from a Non-ideal Perspective - Sina Fazelpour, ZacharyC.Lipton (2020
    • Diversity in sociotechnical machine learning systems - Sina Fazelpour, Maria De-Arteaga (2022)
    • Picking on the Same Person: Does Algorithmic Monoculture lead to Outcome Homogenization? - Rishi Bommasani, Kathleen A. Creel, Ananya Kumar, Dan Jurafsky, Percy Liang (2022)
    • Algorithmic bias: Senses, sources, solutions - Sina Fazelpour, David Danks (2021)
    • Constitutional AI: Harmlessness from AI Feedback - Yuntao Bai et al (2022)
    • Taxonomy of Risks posed by Language Models - Laura Weidinger at Al (2022)
    • Large pre-trained language models contain human-like biases of what is right and wrong to do - Patrick Schramowski, Cigdem Turan, Nico Andersen, Constantin A. Rothkopf & Kristian Kersting (2022)
    • On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big? - Emily M. Bender , Timnit Gebru , Angelina McMillan-Major , Shmargaret Shmitchell (2021)
    • In Two Moves, AlphaGo and Lee Sedol Redefined the Future | Wired Magazine (2016)

    54: Emotions Are Not What You Think (with Lisa Feldman Barrett ) May 30, 2023
    Show notes

    What actually are “emotions” and how are they made? Lisa Feldman Barrett joins Igor and Charles to discuss what we’ve got right and what we’ve got completely wrong about the nature of our emotional lives. Igor grapples with the idea that red apples aren’t necessarily red, Lisa shares that anger doesn’t always look like anger, and Charles learns that a racing heartbeat can be interpreted in fundamentally different ways. Welcome to Episode 54.

    Special Guest: Lisa Feldman Barrett.

    Links:

    • Lisa Feldman Barrett's Website (Public)
    • Interdisciplinary Affective Science Laboratory
    • You Aren't at The Mercy of Your Emotions - Your Brain Creates Them | TED Talk (Jan 2018)
    • Cultivating Wisdom: The Power Of Mood | TED Talk (May 2018)
    • The theory of constructed emotion: An active inference account of interoception and categorization - Barrett, L. F. (2017)
    • How Emotions Are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain | Book (2017)
    • Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain | Book (2020)
    • Context Reconsidered: Complex Signal Ensembles, Relational Meaning, and Population Thinking in Psychological Science - Lisa Feldman Barrett (2022)

    53: Moral Reframing and The Science of Political Persuasion (with Robb Willer) Apr 10, 2023
    Show notes

    How can you persuade someone who disagrees with you on everything? In this episode, we discover the secrets of political persuasion with Robb Willer, a leading expert on political persuasion and moral reframing. Igor grills Robb on the ethics of activism in social science, Robb defends his mission to make a difference in the world, and Charles is amazed to find out that he can fix his misperceptions with a few simple tricks. Don’t miss this inspiring and ground-breaking conversation that will transform how you communicate with others. Tune in to Episode 53 now!

    Special Guest: Robb Willer.

    Links:

    • Robb Willer's Website
    • How to Have Better Political Conversations | Ted Talk (2017)
    • The Key to Political Persuasion | New York Times
    • From Gulf to Bridge: When Do Moral Arguments Facilitate Political Influence? - Matthew Feinberg, Robb Willer (2015)
    • Correcting inaccurate metaperceptions reduces Americans’ support for partisan violence - Joseph S. Mernyk, Sophia L. Pink, James N. Druckman, Robb Willer (2022)
    • Interventions to reduce partisan animosity - Rachel Hartman, Will Blakey, Jake Womick, Chris Bail, Eli J. Finkel, Hahrie Han, John Sarrouf, Juliana Schroeder, Paschal Sheeran, Jay J. Van Bavel, Robb Willer & Kurt Gray (2022)
    • The activist’s dilemma: Extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements - Matthew Feinberg, Robb Willer, Chloe Kovacheff (2020)

    52: World Wide Wisdom (with Deepak Ramola) Jan 05, 2023
    Show notes

    Imagine gathering hard-earned lessons from survivors of human trafficking in Nepal, middle school children in Afghanistan, refugees in Europe, and even a man who has witnessed over 12,000 deaths. Deepak Ramola has been on such a lesson-gathering mission for a while, and he joins Igor and Charles to discuss the life lessons he has collected, who gets to define moral behaviour, and how we might change our culture to encourage more perspective-taking. Igor highlights the challenge of stepping outside ourselves in the heat of the moment, Deepak asks some challenging questions about love, and Charles learns the surprising value of proverbs as tools of reflection.

    Special Guest: Deepak Ramola.

    Links:

    • Deepak Ramola's Site
    • Project Fuel
    • World Wisdom Map
    • Deepak Ramola | Ted Talk
    • 50 Toughest Questions of Life | Deepak Ramola

    51: Tricky Colleagues and Contagious Emotions (with Tessa West) Nov 15, 2022
    Show notes

    How do we respond wisely to foolish behaviour in the workplace? Tessa West joins Igor and Charles to talk about the most common types of ‘jerks at work’ - including the bulldozer, the credit stealer, and the gaslighter, discussing what drives such unhelpful behaviour, and how best to deal with it. Igor explores the different ways we can respond to uncertainty in the workplace, Tessa suggests that we’re surprisingly nice to moral violators, and Charles learns the importance of building ‘affect contagion buffers’ into his day! Welcome to Episode 51.

    Special Guest: Tessa West.

    Links:

    • Tessa West's homepage
    • Tessa West's NYU page
    • Jerks at Work: Toxic Coworkers and What to Do About Them - Tessa West (2022) | Book
    • Stress Contagion: Physiological Covariation Between Mothers and Infants - Waters, West, Mendes (2014)
    • 5 Signs You're The Jerk At Work | Huffington Post

    50: Morality Meets World (with Joshua Greene) Oct 09, 2022
    Show notes

    To give to both your favourite charity and a super-effective charity recommended by experts, visit Giving Multiplier:
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    Can insights from moral psychology increase donations to more effective charities? Joshua Greene joins Igor and Charles to discuss ventilator allocation and other pandemic-related trolley problems, deep pragmatism, the dual process theory of moral judgement, and the power of the veil of ignorance. Igor gets excited about the role of metacognition for wisdom, Joshua reveals in what contexts we feel more comfortable pushing a fat man off a bridge, and Charles learns that when it comes to unfamiliar moral problems, we should not expect cognitive miracles! Welcome to Episode 50.

    Special Guest: Joshua Greene.

    Links:

    • Giving Multiplier — Give to both your favourite charity and a super-effective charity recommended by experts.
    • Joshua Greene's Homepage
    • Moral Tribes: Emotion, Reason, and the Gap Between Us and Them - Joshua Greene (2014) | Book
    • Veil-of-ignorance reasoning favors the greater good - Karen Huang, Joshua D. Greene, Max Bazerman (2019)
    • The Psychology of (In)Effective Altruism - Lucius Caviola, Stefan Schubert, Joshua D. Greene (2021)
    • Talks at Google | Joshua Greene - Moral Tribes: Emotion, Reason, and the Gap Between Us and Them | Joshua Green | Talks at Google
    • Veil of Ignorance | Ethicsunwrapped

    49: Wise Goals (with Ayelet Fishbach) Aug 31, 2022
    Show notes

    What does goal-setting have to do with wisdom and how do we pick wise goals? Ayelet Fishbach joins Igor and Charles to discuss the dangers of moving too swiftly from planning-mode to action-mode, how to compromise across multiple goals, and why we need to rethink our relationships with vegetables! Igor underscores the importance of thinking of wisdom as a process rather than an outcome, Ayelet encourages us to change our situation rather than ourselves, and Charles learns the benefits of approaching a choice as if you’d make it 100 times. Welcome to Episode 49.

    Special Guest: Ayelet Fishback.

    Links:

    • Ayelet Fishbach's Personal Website
    • Get It Done: Surprising Lessons from the Science of Motivation - by Ayelet Fishbach
    • Behavioral Science Authors Series - Ayelet Fishbach
    • We’re Good at Motivating Others, but What About Ourselves? | Knowledge at Wharton
    • Good Habits, Bad Habits: A Conversation with Wendy Wood | Behavioral Scientist
    • Wisdom is a social-ecological rather than person-centric phenomenon | Science Direct - Grossmann, Dorfman, Oakes (2020)

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