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    On Wisdom

    What does it actually take to think wisely? On Wisdom digs into the empirical science of wisdom, judgment, and decision-making, and what it means for how we live. Igor Grossmann runs the Wisdom & Culture Lab at the University of Waterloo. Charles Cassidy runs the Evidence-Based Wisdom project in London. Each episode pairs freewheeling conversation with guest spots from leading behavioural scientists working on reasoning, wellbeing, culture, and society. Past guests include Adam Grant, Jonathan Haidt, Paul Bloom, Shannon Vallor, Lisa Barrett, David Dunning, Mara Mather, Tom Gilovich, Laura Carstensen, Oliver Burkeman, Simine Vazire, Dacher Keltner, and more. This autumn: a five-episode special series built around the first Annual Review of Psychology chapter on wisdom since 2011, featuring fifteen scholars on narrative, metacognition, measurement, training, and the neuroscience of wise decisions.

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    48: A Joyous Journey from Black-and-White to Grey (with Tom Gilovich) Aug 01, 2022
    Show notes

    Is "the spectrum" a more helpful way to think about the world than "categories"? Tom Gilovich joins Igor and Charles to discuss the perils of black-and-white thinking, the evolving data on the hot hand phenomenon, the science of regret, why foxes are wiser than hedgehogs, and the freedom that comes from learning that we are of less interest to other people than we think. Igor considers the limits of psychological nudging in tackling society’s structural problems, Tom shares the perspective that leads him to be so unrelentingly joyful, and Charles learns that even scientists have to work hard to avoid being typecast. Welcome to Episode 48.

    Special Guest: Tom Gilovich.

    Links:

    • Tom Gilovich's Page | Cornell University
    • Gilovich Judgment and Belief Lab
    • The Wisest One in the Room: How You Can Benefit from Social Psychology's Most Powerful Insights (Tom Gilovich and Lee Ross)
    • How We Know What Isn't So: The Fallibility of Human Reason in Everyday Life - Gilovich
    • The i-Frame and the s-Frame: How Focusing on Individual-Level Solutions Has Led Behavioral Public Policy Astray - Chater, Loewenstein (2022)

    47: Charting Pandemic Waters: A Common Wisdom Model for Uncertain Times (with Howard Nusbaum) - Rebroadcast Jul 20, 2022
    Show notes

    (First Broadcast - 21st June 2020)

    What is the value of wisdom in the time of the global pandemic? Does the community of behavioural scientists studying wisdom agree on anything about the nature of wisdom? Can we say what we now know about wisdom and, conversely, what do we know we don’t yet know? Howard Nusbaum joins Igor and Charles to discuss the recently assembled Toronto Wisdom Task Force and the resulting Common Wisdom Model, meta-cognition, the thorny issue of moral-grounding, and sage advice regarding how to measure wisdom in the lab. Igor stresses the importance of building solid theoretical foundations for the field in the context of the pandemic, Howard reflects on the viability of evil wisdom, and Charles learns that we had better pay close attention today to the values we program into the decision-making robots of tomorrow.

    Special Guest: Howard Nusbaum.

    Links:

    • Original Broadcast: Episode 29 - Charting Pandemic Waters: A Common Wisdom Model for Uncertain Times (with Howard Nusbaum)
    • The Science of Wisdom (AEON)
    • The Science of Wisdom in a Polarized World: Knowns and Unknowns: Psychological Inquiry: Vol 31, No 2
    • A Common Model Is Essential for a Cumulative Science of Wisdom: Psychological Inquiry: Vol 31, No 2
    • University of Chicago Center for Practical Wisdom | Center for Practical Wisdom | The University of Chicago
    • Wisdom in Context - Igor Grossmann, 2017
    • Toronto Wisdom Task Force Meeting 2019 (edited) - YouTube
    • AI Open Letter - Future of Life Institute

    46: Antifragility, Gut Feelings, and the Myth of Pure Evil (with Jonathan Haidt) - Rebroadcast Jun 27, 2022
    Show notes

    (First Broadcast - 4th November 2019)

    Does that which doesn’t kill you make you weaker? Should we always follow our emotions? Is life a battle between good people and bad people? And critically, what might the adoption of these three popular, but unwise, ideas be doing to a rising generation of young adults? Jonathan Haidt joins Igor and Charles to discuss the three great untruths of modern life, the nature of antifragility, the 'great awokening,' rising violence on US university campuses, and the origin story of the Heterodox Academy. Igor suggests that diversity can help some projects while hindering others, Jon shares his ultimate conflict-resolving ninja skill, and Charles learns that conservative voters come in radically different shapes and sizes.

    Special Guest: Jonathan Haidt.

    Links:

    • Original Broadcast: Episode 23 - Antifragility, Gut Feelings, and the Myth of Pure Evil (with Jonathan Haidt)
    • Jon Haidt's Home Page
    • Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid - The Atlantic
    • Haidt's writings and materials on the effects of social media on teens and democracies
    • Reparations, systemic racism, and white Democrats’ new racial liberalism (On the Great Awokening) - Vox
    • Heterodox Academy
    • The Coddling of the American Mind
    • Predictors and consequences of intellectual humility - T. Porter, A. Elnakouri, E. Meyers, T. Shibayama, E Jayawickreme, I. Grossmann (2022) - Nature Reviews
    • Jonathan Haidt: Can a divided America heal? | TED Talk
    • A Conflict of Visions - Thomas Sowell
    • How to Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie
    • More in Common - Publications - The Perception Gap / Hidden Tribes
    • The Authoritarian Dynamic - Karen Stenner
    • E Pluribus Unum: Diversity and Community in the Twenty-first Century - Robert D. Putnam
    • The emotional dog and its rational tail: a social intuitionist approach to moral judgment - Haidt (2001)
    • The Coddling of the American Mind - International Coddling
    • World Happiness Report 2019 - Chapter 5: The Sad State of Happiness in the United States and the Role of Digital Media - Jean M. Twenge
    • The Happiness Hypothesis: Putting Ancient Wisdom to the Test of Modern Science: Amazon.co.uk: Jonathan Haidt: 8601300074849: Books
    • The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion: Amazon.co.uk: Jonathan Haidt: 0884607571077: Books

    45: Wisdom at Work (with Barry Schwartz) - Rebroadcast Jun 07, 2022
    Show notes

    (First Broadcast - 28th December 2018)

    Can we design our workplaces to generate wiser behaviour? Why do we work anyway, and would we still work if we didn’t get paid? Do employers even want their employees to develop wisdom? Barry Schwartz joins Igor and Charles to discuss how Aristotle’s Practical Wisdom applies in the 21st Century, the reasons why we work, idea technology, the unintended consequences of rules-based systems, and the moral dangers and limits of incentives. Igor proposes the idea of algorithm-based wise machines, Barry suggests companies hire for character rather than skill, and Charles learns why, in wiser work places, the cost of free-riders may well be a price worth paying.

    Special Guest: Barry Schwartz.

    Links:

    • Original Broadcast: Episode 11 - Wisdom at Work (with Barry Schwartz)
    • Our Loss of Wisdom - Barry Schwartz (TED talk)
    • Using Our Practical Wisdom - Barry Schwartz (TED talk)
    • The Paradox of Choice - Barry Schwartz (TED Talk)
    • Practical Wisdom (Book) - Barry Schwartz & Kenneth Sharpe
    • Why We Work - Barry Schwartz (Book)
    • The Paradox of Choice - Barry Schwartz (Book)
    • Rethinking Work - Barry Schwartz (New York Times)

    44: A Special Announcement May 24, 2022
    Show notes

    Igor and Charles return with a special announcement for On Wisdom listeners ...


    43: Invisible to Ourselves: A Life of a Psychological Scientist (with Richard Nisbett) Dec 04, 2021
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    A disturbing thought - might it be impossible for us to directly observe the workings of our minds? Richard Nisbett joins Igor and Charles to discuss a life lived on the cutting edge of behavioral sciences in the second part of the 20th Century. He shares tales from his groundbreaking research into our faulty mindware, discussing various biases, cultural differences in cognitive processes, our inability to directly observe our mental processes, and why job interviews are not only unhelpful but potentially harmful to our ability to hire the best person for the job. Igor is keen to learn about the human beings behind some of the 20th Century’s academic idols in social psychology like Daniel Kahneman, Amos Tversky and Lee Ross, Richard explains why important work and interesting work are not necessarily the same thing, and Charles struggles to make sense of when we do and don’t intervene to help strangers in peril. Welcome to Episode 43.

    Special Guest: Richard Nisbett.

    Links:

    • Richard Nisbett's Homepage
    • World After Covid - Richard Nisbett Interview
    • Thinking: A Memoir
    • The Psychology of Thinking - with Richard Nisbett - Royal Institution Lecture (2016)
    • Telling more than we can know: Verbal reports on mental processes - Nisbett & Wilson (1977)
    • The influence of culture: holistic versus analytic perception - Nisbett & Miyamoto (2005)
    • Intelligence: New findings and theoretical developments - Nisbett, Aronson, Blair, Dickens, Flynn, Halpern, Turkheimer (2012).

    42: Reflections on Wisdom in the World after Covid Oct 23, 2021
    Show notes

    Which kind of wisdom will people need to master to overcome major negative societal and/or psychological changes after the pandemic?

    In the last episode of the World After Covid miniseries, Igor and Charles share and discuss responses from 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Four final responses are selected, covering themes of big picture focus on what's important, shared humanity, long-term orientation, and political structural change in the midst of the pandemic. Igor reflects on how the immediate context can dramatically influence even experts' forecasts, and Charles is forced to question his cherished belief that people are ultimately good.

    Featuring:
    Barry Schwartz, Emeritus Professor of Psychology at Swarthmore College and a visiting Professor at the Haas School of Business at Berkeley
    Nicholas Christakis, Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science at Yale University
    Anand Menon, Professor of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at King’s College London
    Michael Bond, Cross-cultural social psychologist with focus on locating Chinese interpersonal processes in a multi-cultural space

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Everyone Was Wrong on the Pandemic’s Societal Impact: Foreign Policy - Varnum, Hutcherson, Grossmann (2021)
    • Estimating societal effects of COVID-19 - Hutcherson, Sharpinsky, Varnum, Rotella, Wormley, Tay, Grossmann (2021, preprint)
    • How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Barry Schwartz Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Nicholas Christakis Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Anand Menon Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Michael Bond Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site

    41: Wisdom for Negative Consequences (Pt. I) - Social Support, Sympathy & Compassion, Acknowledging Uncertainty, and Balancing Diverse Interests Oct 04, 2021
    Show notes

    Which kind of wisdom will people need to master to overcome major negative societal and/or psychological changes after the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses from 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of social support, sympathy & compassion, acknowledging uncertainty, and balancing diverse interests in the midst of the pandemic. Igor points out that humanity has a greater capacity for accepting and managing uncertainty than we might realize, and Charles is intrigued by the often-overlooked benefits of interactions with strangers.

    Featuring:
    Katie McLaughlin, John L. Loeb Associate Professor of the Social Sciences at Harvard University
    Barbara Fredrickson, Kenan Distinguished Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
    Dilip Jeste, Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry and Neurosciences at University of California, San Diego
    Valerie Tiberius, Paul W. Frenzel Chair in Liberal Arts and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Everyone Was Wrong on the Pandemic’s Societal Impact: Foreign Policy - Varnum, Hutcherson, Grossmann (2021)
    • Estimating societal effects of COVID-19 - Hutcherson, Sharpinsky, Varnum, Rotella, Wormley, Tay, Grossmann (2021, preprint)
    • How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Katie McLaughlin Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Barbara Fredrickson Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Dilip Jeste Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Valerie Tiberius Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site

    40: World After Covid series: Negative Consequences (Part II) - Autobiographical Memory, Estrangement, Political Conflict, and Prejudice Aug 04, 2021
    Show notes

    Which domain or aspect of social life will show the most significant negative societal and/or psychological change in response to the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses from 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of autobiographical memory, estrangement, political conflict, and prejudice in the midst of the pandemic. Igor wonders how losing track of distinct day-to-day memories might distort our sense of who we are, and Charles considers the odd influence that a year of mask-wearing may have on how we'll interact with strangers in the post-pandemic future.

    Featuring:
    Jeffrey Zacks, Professor and Associate Chair of Psychological & Brain Sciences at Washington University
    Paula Niedenthal, Professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison
    David Rooney, Honorary Professor of Management and Organisation Studies at Macquarie Business School, Macquarie University
    Douglas Kenrick, President’s Professor of Psychology at Arizona State University

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Everyone Was Wrong on the Pandemic’s Societal Impact: Foreign Policy - Varnum, Hutcherson, Grossmann (2021)
    • Estimating societal effects of COVID-19 - Hutcherson, Sharpinsky, Varnum, Rotella, Wormley, Tay, Grossmann (2021, preprint)
    • How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Jeffrey Zacks Interview
    • Paula Niedenthal Interview
    • David Rooney Interview
    • Douglas Kenrick Interview

    39: World After Covid series: Negative Consequences (Part I) - Social Inequality, Loneliness, Economic Hardships, and Despair Jul 11, 2021
    Show notes

    Which domain or aspect of social life will show the most significant negative societal and/or psychological change in response to the pandemic?

    Igor and Charles share and discuss responses from 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of social inequality, loneliness, economic hardships, and despair in the midst of the pandemic. Igor assesses 3 sharply contrasting visions of the future, and Charles reflects on the idea of pandemics as the downside of something mostly very beneficial - the highly social nature of our species.

    Featuring:
    Azim Shariff, Associate Professor and  Canada Research Chair of Moral  Psychology at the University of British Columbia, and director of the Center for Applied Moral Psychology
    Nicholas Christakis, Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science at Yale University
    Roy Baumeister, Professor of Psychology at the University of Queensland
    Veronica Benet Martinez, Endowed position as an ICREA Professor at Pompeu Fabra University, where she is head of the Behavioral and Experimental Social Sciences research group

    Links:

    • World After Covid site
    • Igor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid project
    • Expert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)
    • Everyone Was Wrong on the Pandemic’s Societal Impact: Foreign Policy - Varnum, Hutcherson, Grossmann (2021)
    • Estimating societal effects of COVID-19 - Hutcherson, Sharpinsky, Varnum, Rotella, Wormley, Tay, Grossmann (2021, preprint)
    • How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)
    • Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)
    • Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live By Nicholas A. Christakis · 2020
    • Azim Shariff Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Nicholas Christakis Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Roy Baumeister Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site
    • Veronica Benet Martinez Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site

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