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**Marketing Against The Grain**

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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Is Grok 4 Worth $30/mo? (Full Test) Jul 15, 2025

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Want a list of Creative Prompts to test with Grok? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/jvk

Ep. 343

Is Grok 4 really the smartest AI model?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the hype, hands-on tests, and real-world marketing applications of Elon Musk’s latest AI release. Learn more on what makes Grok 4 different from other models, explore creative ways marketers and founders can use Grok’s X data access, and put Grok 4 up against OpenAI’s O3 in live marketing challenges to see which delivers the best results for content creation and campaign planning.

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Grok 4 https://x.ai/news/grok-4
Chat GPT Pro https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-pro/
Gemini https://gemini.google.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

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Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

The AI Stack That Makes Our Product Marketing 10x Faster Jul 10, 2025

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Want our Product Marketing team's AI stack (live interview + prompts)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/ekg

Ep. 342

How can you build a robust ideal customer profile with A ?

Kipp, Kieran, and Rachel Leist (VP of Marketing for HubSpot) dive into how AI is making product marketing 10x faster—and dramatically more personalized—by automating everything from positioning docs to competitor intelligence. Learn more on how to use AI tools to instantly create customer personas, power up your sales and competitive battlecards, and scale customer interviews so you’re always on the pulse of what your market needs most.

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Rachel Leist https://www.linkedin.com/in/rleist/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Genspark https://www.genspark.ai/
Outset https://landing.outset.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

This FREE AI Video Tool Makes Ads Faster & Better Than You Jul 08, 2025

Show notes

Want the ultimate list of 40+ AI tools (including AI video tools)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/fvb

Ep. 341

Did you know most AI video tools are still better at creating 6-8 second clips, than full-length ads?

Kipp dives into the latest in AI video, sharing hands-on experiments with new tools and why the viral Cat Olympics video is a perfect showcase of what's possible (and not possible) right now. Learn more on the practical realities of generating videos with AI, how to get better output with pro-level prompts and video editing, and the one workflow that makes AI video tools efficient for marketers looking to save time and money.

Mentions

Want the ultimate list of 40+ AI tools (including AI video tools)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/fvb

Hailuo https://hailuoai.video/
Cat Olympics video https://x.com/pabloprompt/status/1935822625663861192
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Google’s Veo 3 https://gemini.google/overview/video-generation/

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

The Great Content Collapse Jul 01, 2025

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Ep. 340

Did you know that for every 18 pages Google scrapes from content publishers today, they now send back just one visit—down from two pages per visit a decade ago?

Kieran dives into the “great content collapse” and what the changing landscape of AI-powered search means for the future of marketing and growth. Learn more on how Google and OpenAI are upending the traditional value exchange of content, why paid advertising costs are set to skyrocket, and what new playbooks marketers need as AI transforms how consumers find information online.

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Want our AI Search Domination Kit to master AI search? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/wpc

Cloudflare https://www.cloudflare.com/
Matthew Prince https://www.linkedin.com/in/mprince/
Claude https://claude.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How I Turned Perplexity Labs into a Marketing Machine Jun 26, 2025

Show notes

Ep. 339

Did you know that Google search traffic is disappearing—and no one is giving us the new marketing playbooks?

Kieran dives into how AI tools like Perplexity Labs are changing the game for marketers, revealing a future where you can create highly personalized campaigns at scale. Learn more on how to segment audiences in powerful new ways, leverage real-time signals from platforms like LinkedIn, and turn AI into your custom marketing team to generate more revenue and outpace the competition.

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Want our exact prompt that turns AI into a marketing machine? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/klc

Perplexity Labs https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/introducing-perplexity-labs
Claude https://claude.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat
‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

These AI Tools Can Make a $50k Ad for $500 Jun 24, 2025

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Ep. 338

Is AI video ready for primetime—or just a viral fad?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the explosive growth and creative possibilities of AI-generated video, and what it means for businesses and marketers in 2025. Learn more on the latest viral AI video sensations (like cats in the Olympics!), the rapid rise in quality and accessibility of tools like VO3 and Hailuo AI, and how AI is revolutionizing short-form content creation and ad personalization for every business.

Mentions

Want the AI Video Guide? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/cko
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
Hailuoai https://hailuoai.video/

Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlj7qIPmLw8

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Use This Free Tool To Win Traffic From ChatGPT Jun 19, 2025

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Ep. 337

There’s a free tool that can help your brand show up more in AI-powered search results!

Kipp dives into the new playbook for winning visibility in ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, and the world of zero-click searches. Learn more on how to build a custom GPT to create AI-optimized content, the unique rules for ranking in AI search engines, and the essential best practices for dominating this next era of search.

Mentions

Want Kipp's Custom GPT for AI SEO? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/prn

Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
Claude https://claude.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How to Rank #1 in ChatGPT Results (AI SEO Strategy) Jun 17, 2025

Show notes

Ep. 336

Is your organic traffic vanishing into the AI ether?

Kipp, Kieran, and Aja Frost (Sr. Director of Global Growth at HubSpot), dive into the huge disruption AI-powered search is having on SEO, and exactly how brands should respond if they want to stay visible in a world dominated by LLMs and AI overviews. Learn more on what’s changing in search, why LLM-driven AI search visitors are 4x more valuable than traditional search clicks, and get the playbook for optimizing your content and brand for AI-first discovery.

Mentions

Want to dominate search with AI? Get our guide here: https://clickhubspot.com/qcu

Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPKqvn-QS50&t=1411s

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

I Tested 5 AI Prompts That Replace Weeks of Creative Work Jun 12, 2025

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Ep. 335

Did you know that using the right AI prompt can turn a six-week creative project into a one-hour task?

Kipp and guest Jason Keath, author of “The Case for More Bad Ideas”, dive into how marketers and creators can harness the power of AI prompts to dramatically speed up – and upgrade – the creative process. Learn more on building a repeatable creative process, using AI as your ultimate creative collaborator, and five actionable AI prompts that take you from brainstorming to killer campaigns (including ad copy, content ideas, and feedback you actually need). Turn bad ideas into breakthrough marketing, iterate better, and save serious time – all in this episode!

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Want Jason's Creativity Prompts? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/fmw

Jason Keath morebadideas.com
The Case for More Bad Ideas: The Counterintuitive Guide to Creativity https://a.co/d/7q5eqZA
Social Fresh https://socialfresh.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Gemini https://gemini.google.com/

Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHoIDwFxEQg&t=210shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHoIDwFxEQg&t=210s

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

AI Just Replaced a $100K Sales Analyst for $20/Month Jun 10, 2025

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Ep. 334

For just $20 a month, you can have your own “Harvard MBA analyst” working inside your business.

Kipp and Kieran dive into the groundbreaking integration between HubSpot and OpenAI’s ChatGPT deep research, sharing why this changes the game for marketers and sales pros. Learn more on how AI-powered deep research can instantly level up sales, marketing, and customer operations with actionable insights, why this new era gives every business the ability to fully personalize sales and marketing at scale, and the exact prompts and strategies you can use to work faster, smarter, and more effectively than ever before.

Mentions

Want our prompts for deep research? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/wlc

HubSpot https://www.hubspot.com/
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Open AI’s Deep Research https://openai.com/index/introducing-deep-research/

Check out this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neU9P0n-mBw&t=575s

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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