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**Marketing Against The Grain**

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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Turn GPT-5 into Your Creative Writer with this one trick Aug 14, 2025

Show notes

Want our 10 advanced prompts for GPT-5? Get em' here: https://clickhubspot.com/ngm

Ep. 353

Is GPT-5 any good for creative writing, or is it just another overhyped AI release?

Kipp dives into the one trick most marketers miss that instantly turns any AI into a better writing assistant. Learn how to craft a content ICP that actually works, why copy-paste marketers are doomed to mediocrity, and how tailoring your AI prompts with deep audience insights unlocks far more creative, original content.

Mentions

GPT-5 https://chatgpt.com/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat
‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

This AI Startup Is Beating Apple and NVIDIA at Their Own Game Aug 12, 2025

Show notes

Want Darius' 20 Prompts to create killer ad content? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/jdm

Ep. 352

Is AI actually making our content worse—and could human imperfections be the key to better marketing?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the real impact of AI on creative originality with Darius Lam, CEO and founder of NEX, an AI content platform built for CPG brands. Learn more on why AI-generated content is forcing marketers to embrace imperfection, how brands can stand out in a world where AI makes everything look the same, and why the future belongs to those who balance creativity, authenticity, and scale.

Mentions

Darius Lam https://www.linkedin.com/in/dariuslam/
NEX https://nexcpg.com/
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Duolingo https://www.duolingo.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

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Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat
‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

GPT-5 Just Dropped: What Marketers Need to Know Aug 07, 2025

Show notes

Want our 10 Advanced Marketing Prompts to use with GPT-5? Get the list here: https://clickhubspot.com/jgp

Ep. 351

GPT-5 is here for everyone (including free users) and it's a meaningful step forward for AI. Kipp breaks down OpenAI's hour-long livestream so you don't have to, covering what GPT-5 means for marketers, the biggest improvements in coding and writing, and why more people will use ChatGPT instead of Google for search. Learn about the key features that matter for business, from improved voice capabilities to better front-end design, plus why this democratization of advanced AI could transform how you build websites, create content, and reach customers.

Mentions

Aja Frost Episode https://youtu.be/gPKqvn-QS50?si=QaOol1Brf1tPCoHD
OpenAI https://openai.com
ChatGPT https://chat.openai.com
Canvas https://openai.com/index/introducing-canvas
Lovable https://lovable.dev

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Everyone’s Using AI Wrong – This Is the Real Unlock Aug 07, 2025

Show notes

Want AI that works while you sleep? Get our blueprint for AI Agents in 2025: https://clickhubspot.com/wgv

Ep. 350

Can you communicate four to five times faster with voice AI than typing?

Kipp and Allan Guo, Cofounder & CEO at Willow, dive into the untapped power of voice AI for marketers, founders, and busy professionals, exploring how it can transform your workflow and help you get more done. Learn more on the game-changing uses of voice AI—from supercharging your email and Slack messaging, to brainstorming and iterating ideas with large language models, to radically improving your daily productivity and communication.

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Allan Guo https://www.linkedin.com/in/allan-guo/
Willow https://willowvoice.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
WeChat https://www.wechat.com/
Gamma https://gamma.app/
Granola https://www.granola.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

6 AI Marketing Strategies To 3x Conversion in 2025 Aug 05, 2025

Show notes

Want Kieran's AI Marketing Playbook for 2025? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/wcf

Ep. 349

By 2027, will 95% of all B2B buyer journeys start on an LLM?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the essential AI-powered marketing playbook for building a modern marketing plan from scratch in today’s rapidly changing landscape. Learn more on how to win in AI search and boost your share of voice, why mastering short-form content is the new superpower for marketers, and how intent data and micro-audience campaigns can drive greater results than ever before.

Mentions

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How to Turn Claude Into a 6 Person Marketing Team (AI Demo) Jul 31, 2025

Show notes

Want our 6 AI-engineered prompts to turn Claude into your own data analyst? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/vwr

Ep. 348

What if you could build an entire year-long content strategy in just one AI prompt?

Kipp dives into the brand new HubSpot and Claude AI integration that's set to revolutionize how marketers work. Learn more on building your ideal customer profiles and personalized content calendars, running instant marketing attribution and ROI analysis, and developing lead nurturing and account-based marketing campaigns—all directly inside Claude and HubSpot.

Mentions

Claude https://claude.ai/
HubSpot https://www.hubspot.com/company-news/hubspot-connector-claude
Anthropic https://www.anthropic.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

Perplexity Comet: Testing the NEW AI Web Browser Jul 29, 2025

Show notes

Want more AI tools that will automate your work like this? Get a list of 40+ tools here: https://clickhubspot.com/mcb

Ep. 347

Is this AI browser really good enough to be your default?

Kipp dives into a hands-on unboxing of Perplexity’s new Comet browser to find out if the hype lives up to the reality, and whether AI-native browsing can truly supercharge your marketing and business workflow. Learn more about unlocking the potential of AI-powered web browsing, top marketing use cases, and productivity hacks you can implement right now.

Mentions

Perplexity Comet https://comet.perplexity.ai/
Ramp https://ramp.com/intelligence

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

The New ChatGPT Agent Promised to Save Me Hours - Did It? Jul 24, 2025

Show notes

Want 22 ChatGPT Agents you can launch in 5 minutes? Get the prompts here: https://clickhubspot.com/akv

Ep. 346

Is ChatGPT agent actually a game changer for marketers, or just more overhyped AI?

Kieran dives into whether ChatGPT agent can truly automate complex marketing and growth tasks, or if specialized AI tools still reign supreme. Learn more on how the new agent stacks up against human marketers, where it shines and struggles in competitive research and crafting presentations, and what the future of managing fleets of AI agents means for your productivity.

Mentions

ChatGPT agent https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-agent/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
Genspark https://www.genspark.ai/
Replit https://replit.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How to Vibe Code Tools That Actually Grow Your Business Jul 22, 2025

Show notes

Want our 10 Vibe Code Prompts? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/aeh

Ep. 345

Is “vibe coding” the most addictive and important new skill for marketers in 2025?

Kieran dives into how any marketer can quickly build lightweight tools and apps using AI and no-code platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity Labs, and Replit. Learn more on defining your ICP (ideal customer profile) in record time, generating powerful code-powered lead magnets, and why building product demos and interactive experiences is now the ultimate way to attract and convert your audience.

Mentions

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How To Create A Lead Magnet With AI (Full Tutorial) Jul 17, 2025

Show notes

Want our 10 Prompts + Web App to Create a Lead Magnet? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/vwd

Ep. 344

Did you know you can go from idea to publishing a working lead magnet app in under an hour with AI?

Kipp dives into how AI code generation tools are changing the game for small businesses and marketers by making it easier than ever to build free web applications that attract and convert customers. Learn more about leveraging ChatGPT and Claude to turn ideas into real web apps in minutes, the power of cloud-hosted artifacts for rapid prototyping, and actionable steps to test and validate your next lead magnet with almost zero coding experience.

Mentions

ChatGPT https://openai.com/index/chatgpt/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Claude Artifacts https://www.anthropic.com/news/build-artifacts

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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