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    Leadership in Black and White

    Leadership in Black and White is a weekly podcast hosted by John Siebeling and Wayne Francis. John and Wayne talk to leaders about how to lead in the gray areas of life and develop you as a Christian leader.

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    Red Flags That Keep You From Getting Hired Jan 19, 2026
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    Some of the most qualified candidates never get the job they want - not because they lack skill or experience, but because of intangible things they may not be paying enough attention to. In this episode, we talk about the subtle factors that often determine who gets hired and who doesn't. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    Iterate Or Deteriorate Jan 12, 2026
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    Every leader is faced with this choice: iterate or deteriorate. Pastors John and Wayne discuss the importance of getting better and the difference between innovation and iteration. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    End Of Year Mailbag Dec 22, 2025
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    In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answer questions from listeners about topics including: keeping people engaged in the vision, what to make public and what to keep private, how to know when you're pushing your team too hard, and more.

    Send in questions for a future mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite).

    Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    Building Teams That Build Each Other Dec 15, 2025
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    Every leader is building teams - but what happens when you build teams that actually build and strengthen the teams around them? Pastors John and Wayne discuss the power and impact of a team structure that actually positions your organization for long-term, healthy success. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    An Underrated Leadership Discipline Dec 08, 2025
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    The end of the year is rapidly approaching - what are you going to do to make 2026 better than 2025? Pastors John and Wayne discuss an underrated leadership discipline that could be the difference between success and failure next year. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    The Hidden Threat of Recency Bias Dec 01, 2025
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    Recency bias is a cognitive bias that causes people to give more weight to recent information or experiences, even if older information is more relevant or reliable. Pastors John and Wayne discuss the impact this can have on your leadership and how to know if it's affecting you. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    People First Mentality Nov 24, 2025
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    One of the most effective, and biblical, strategies for growing something is to focus on people over processes, profits, and even our own preferences. Pastors John and Wayne discuss the power of a people-first mentality and how to grow in this area of leadership. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    Making the Hard Call: When to End a Team, Product, or Program Nov 17, 2025
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    Starting things is fun and exciting, but real leadership is tested when it's time to end something. How do you know when to end a team, product, program or ministry? Pastors John and Wayne discuss practical strategies for knowing when to keep going and when to cut it off. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    Pastors & AI, Weekly Schedules, Leadership Blindspots & More Mailbag Questions Nov 10, 2025
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    In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answer questions from listeners like: leadership blindspots in young pastors, what to do about AI, weekly schedule ideas, and more. Send in a question for next month's mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!


    This Might Be Why Your Church Isn't Growing Nov 03, 2025
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    At the end of the day, every pastor wants their church to grow - not just to have a big church - but to reach the people in their community, to serve a city, to do something significant for God. And while there is no exact formula for growing a church, there are certainly things that may be hindering your growth that you might be missing. In this episode, Pastors John and Wayne discuss 10 reasons your church might not be growing right now. Follow the show on Instagram here: @leadershipinblackandwhite. The background check service referenced in this episode is called Protect My Ministry.


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