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    FRIED. The Burnout Podcast

    Your best people aren't lazy. They're burned out. And there's a difference — one that costs you performance, retention, and culture if you can't spot it.

    FRIED: The Burnout Podcast is a top 1% global show with over a million downloads, hosted by keynote speaker and burnout expert Cait Donovan. It's the show for leaders, executives, HR professionals, and high-responsibility humans who want to understand burnout at a systems level — not just survive it personally.

    The core question FRIED keeps asking: Where is the work no longer matching the humans doing it?

    Burnout isn't a motivation problem. It's a mismatch problem. When the fit between people, roles, expectations, and organizational systems breaks down — disengagement builds, resentment festers, and your best people start quietly planning their exit. FRIED helps you see those mismatches before they become crises.

    Each week you'll get expert conversations on workplace burnout, leadership, organizational culture, employee retention, and sustainable high performance — plus solo episodes where Cait breaks down the hidden dynamics driving disengagement in even the highest-performing teams.

    No blame. No fluff. No breathing exercises you didn't ask for.

    Topics covered: burnout prevention, chronic stress, leadership development, workplace culture, employee disengagement, resentment at work, emotional intelligence, nervous system regulation, boundaries, organizational design, psychological safety, and middle management burnout.

    FRIED. Because burnout isn't the price of ambition. It's a signal that something needs to change.

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    Copyright: © All works owned and produced by Cait Donovan LLC, 2022

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    Latest Episodes:
    #straightfromcait: Building Boundaries That Protect You From Burnout May 10, 2020
    Show notes

    Hey Fried Friends, thanks to your help on voting on this month’s #straightfromcait episodes. You told me that by far you want to know about how to actually build boundaries. You’ve probably read some ideas online and been told that you can be assertive without feeling guilty and all that, but it’s not working for you and you’re wondering how the heck you can build boundaries that anyone will actually pay attention to… well, we’re going to chat about that today!


    I want you to keep in mind during this episode that if you’ve struggled with this for a long time, it might be the right moment to ask for some help - you can hop on a call with me by going to bit.ly/callcait


    So let’s get into it.


    Boundaries are one of the most important pieces of healing from burnout - BUT - they’re not the boundaries that you’re thinking about.


    When you hear boundaries? What pops into your mind? Are you thinking about how to say no to someone? That’s assertiveness training. Are you creating language around when you’ll respond to emails, for instance - thanks for writing, I respond to emails mon-fri within 48 hours. That’s expectation management. Both of them set some sort of boundaries, but they are boundaries that live outside of you and the boundaries that count most when it comes to preventing and recovering from burnout? They are your inner boundaries.


    The ones that you are mad at people for crossing but no one knows (except you!) that they exist. They are the unspoken agreements that you think you have with the world but the world has other ideas.

    bit.ly/callcait

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    Denise Duffield Thomas: A Mantra For Preventing Burnout Like A True ‘Chillpreneur’ May 03, 2020
    Show notes

    BIO: Denise Duffield-Thomas is the money mindset mentor for the new wave of online female entrepreneurs. Her best-selling books “Lucky Bitch” and “Get Rich, Lucky Bitch” give a fresh and funny road-map to create an outrageously successful life and business.

    Denise helps women release their fear of money, set premium prices for their services, and take back control over their finances. She is an award-winning speaker, author, and entrepreneur who helps women transform their Economy-Class money mindset into a First-Class life. Find her at www.LuckyBitch.com

    I have been excited to share this interview with you because it is SO IMPORTANT and Denise is such a superstar and amazing person to talk to. For me, her book, Chillpreneur is the “avoid burnout bible” and there are just so many takeaways that I wanted to discuss with her.

    In this episode, you’ll hear Denise and I chat about why she was ashamed to admit that she was burnt out and how she found herself being less than compassionate when her husband’s ticket to the burnout train came in.

    Denise reminds us during this episode that making time for fun and pleasure is part of being a successful entrepreneur and right now, she’s finding fun and pleasure in learning the ukelele, and her new pup (go to her IG immediately for pictures… SOOOOOO CUTE).

    We also found time to talk about what it means to walk away from something that you’ve put a lot of energy, money, and resources into and why it’s okay (or even necessary) to quit sometimes.

    LINKS:

    www.luckybitch.com

    www.instagram.com/denisedt

    Chillpreneur

    Soulpreneur talk that Cait mentioned

    XOXO

    C

    P.S. Remember Nadovim? The supplement specifically designed for burnt-out brains? If you’re foggy-headed and feel like your memory just isn’t the same, you should get 20% off your first 30-day supply at www.nadovim.com by entering the coupon code BURNOUT.


    P.P.S. Do something to care for yourself this week and book a FREE call with me! Initial calls last 35 minutes and are a great way to kickstart your burnout recovery. Book your call at caitdonovan.as.me/free.

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    Dr. Caitlin Gordon: Create Feelings Of Safety To Help You Heal Burnout Faster Apr 26, 2020
    Show notes

    Dr. Caitlin Gordon owns Amaluna Wellness, a holistic health clinic based in Boulder, Colorado, where she sees patients for acupuncture and functional medicine in-office and via telemedicine. Caitlin's personal history of repeated burnout led her to specialize in treating emotional health imbalances, with an emphasis on the mind-body connection. She uses a unique blend of mindfulness techniques, transformational coaching, and neuroscience to help patients create the conditions in which they can heal.


    Caitlin burned out after years of living with unacknowledged childhood trauma, a sense of self-worth that was tied to her productivity and external success, a nervous system wired for stress, and a tendency to over-commit and avoid her own emotions. After putting in more and more effort to fix the problem, she finally extricated herself from the cycle by taking time to unwind, asking for support, and developing a new relationship to her own body. I think you’ll appreciate her frankness and honesty in this wide-ranging conversation.


    This month’s FRIED guests have brought us back to the topic of gratitude so many times, and it came up again in this week’s episode with Caitlin. In my practice, I see a lot of people who experience shame and guilt when practicing gratitude isn’t easy or transformative. This is important: If a past gratitude practice hasn’t worked for you or has left you feeling guilty, it’s likely you’ve experienced trauma that needs to be unwound, or that your burnt-out brain just isn’t capable of processing gratitude in its current state. And that is not your fault. Burnout changes the brain in a way that makes it impossible to fully experience gratitude.


    Say it louder for the people in the back! When you’re burnt out or have unresolved trauma, you CANNOT process your gratitude, and that is NOT your fault. It just means it’s time to call for reinforcement. Reaching out to someone else for help is one of the very best things you can do to get yourself on the road to healing.


    Learn more about Caitlin Gordon:

    Her website: https://amalunawellness.com/

    Her Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/acu.caite/


    Mentioned in this episode:

    The Eisenhower Matrix (by President Eisenhower): https://www.eisenhower.me/eisenhower-matrix/

    My Yoga Nidra meditation: [link]

    Until the end of April, I’m offering my 8-week online course Master Your Own Energy at a $300 discount! Find your energy leaks and get your energy back starting right here: https://bit.ly/MYECOVID


    Carve out the time and space to make yourself feel safe this week. And wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands.


    XOXO

    Cait


    P.S. Don’t forget that you can get a little extra support for your burnt-out brain with one of my favorite supplements, Nadovim. Get 20% off your first 30-day supply at www.nadovim.com by entering the coupon code BURNOUT.


    P.P.S. Do something to care for yourself this week and book a FREE call with me! Initial calls last 35 minutes and are a great way to kickstart your burnout recovery. Book your call at caitdonovan.as.me/free.

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    Shamis Pitts: Learning Self-Compassion the Hard Way Apr 19, 2020
    Show notes

    Shamis Pitts, owner of Pitts Leadership Consulting LLC, is on a mission to help people connect to their greatness, strengthen the employee–employer social contract, and support a thriving and engaged workforce. She provides leadership coaching, training, and development and is particularly committed to mentoring young black women professionals. This year, Shamis launched her “Let’s Live in the AND” campaign to create conversations around leadership and wellbeing.

    Shamis’s story will ring true to overachievers everywhere. She started working 12-hour days as an undergrad; as a young professional in the startup world, she sometimes worked 100-hour weeks, powered by the mantra “Impact at scale.” The burnout alarms kept going off, but Shamis kept hitting snooze: A stroke. Tuberculosis. Weight loss. Localized alopecia. Paralysis. She kept over-extending and over-giving, and she had no idea how to ask for support.

    After struggling with workaholism and her various health issues, Shamis took a hard look at the toll her lifestyle was taking on her physical and mental wellness. And after many years, she finally rounded a corner. In my practice, I meet so many women like Shamis—women who are driven to achieve, to push themselves beyond their own limits, to hit snooze and tune out the alarms and sink further and further into illness and unhappiness. If you are one of those women (or one of those men!), Shamis is a testament to the fact that you CAN turn things around.

    At the end of this episode, Shamis and I urge you to ask yourself this question: What are you doing on a regular basis to ensure you’re being kind to yourself? If it’s hard to answer, it’s time for you to step back, come up with an answer, and then put it into practice. It takes some of us years (if not decades) of stops and starts, doctor’s visits, frightening diagnoses, compromised relationships, lost connections, and other alarm bells before we make a change. No more hitting snooze. If you’re not being kind to yourself, it’s time to wake up.

    Learn more about Shamis:

    Her website: http://pittsleadership.com/

    Her Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shamfucius/

    Her 2020 “Let’s Live in the AND” campaign: http://shamis2020.com/

    Here’s a good way to be kind to yourself this week: book a FREE call with me! Initial calls last 35 minutes and are a great way to kickstart your burnout recovery. Book your call at caitdonovan.as.me/free.

    Be well this week—in every sense of the word. And don’t forget to wash your hands. ;-)

    XOXO

    Cait

    P.S. I highly recommend Nadovim, a supplement that's great for burnt-out brains. If you need some extra support, get 20% off your first 30-day supply at www.nadovim.com by entering the coupon code BURNOUT.

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    Jenni Lewis-Ford: Burnout, Black Girl Magic, and Gratitude Apr 12, 2020
    Show notes

    Jenni Lewis-Ford is a brand and communications strategist, diversity and inclusion advocate, author, podcaster, and wearer of many hats. She’s held senior level positions at major financial institutions and has collaborated with brands like Pfizer, Nikon, and Panasonic. She’s also the founder of Chix Talk Radio, former host of the award-winning 2chix1mic podcast, and a frequent TV correspondent and panelist sharing her thoughts on pop culture, politics, and how to drive cultural change through inclusion, belonging, and gratitude.

    “Before I started my gratitude mission, I was killing myself—quite literally,” Jenni recalls. “I was negative, I was full of self-judgment, I was ambitious but never happy.” After becoming pregnant with her first child, Jenni realized something needed to change. That’s when she found a life coach, who introduced her to the art of gratitude. “I say gratitude really helped me understand that I was not grateful for me,” Jenni told me in our interview. “And there’s only one me. I gotta love me.”

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    Caspar Szulc: The Journey to Finding Your Authentic Self Apr 05, 2020
    Show notes

    Caspar is the co-founder of Innovative Medicine. Caspar burnt out in his 20s, but the experience forced him to search for his authentic self—and he says he had to practice everything he preached at work to reset and bounce back.


    More about Caspar: casparszulc.com


    Free 35-minute calls with Cait: caitdonovan.as.me/free

    For 20% of Nadovim, visit nadovim.com and enter the code BURNOUT.

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    #straightfromcait: Sitting In the Muck with Your Emotions (an excerpt from The Bouncebackability Factor) Mar 20, 2020
    Show notes

    I've been told in the past week that I'm: overreacting, posting anxious posts, a sea of calm - all from different people. But, I, like the rest of you am a very average human who just found out that life is on lockdown. I have flip-flopped between emotions and spent many anxious days before I found some calm in the new current reality.


    After an IG live where I read to you from my new book: The Bouncebackability Factor to share an exercise that I thought might be helpful right now, a bunch of you reached out asking me to put it in a format that would be easily accessible all the time, so, I recorded it for you :)


    Campaign donations to get The Bouncebackability Factor published are being accepted and if you found this episode helpful, please consider supporting the campaign. You can find it here:


    http://www.ifundwomen.com/projects/bouncebackability-factor


    We're in this together. There's no correct timeline. You're allowed to process in the way that feels best and safest to YOU. This episode will help you when you know it's time to let go but you aren't sure how. I call it 'Sitting in the Muck' and it's a life skill everyone should have - and now, you do.


    XOXO

    C

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    #straightfromcait Burnout Signs and Symptoms Mar 15, 2020
    Show notes

    In this special #straightfromcait mini-episode of FRIED, I, your host, take you through the most common burnout symptoms and tell you exactly what they sound and look like in YOUR life.


    Burnout Researcher (and my personal hero) Christina Maslach, PhD, tells us that the criteria for recognizing burnout are:

    1. physical and emotional exhaustion

    2. cynicism and detachment

    3. not feeling accomplished or impactful


    But what does that LOOK and FEEL like? It's right here in these 15 minutes.


    See you on the other side!


    Almost forgot! If you'd like to book a free coffee/tea/adaptogen chat with me - you can do that here: https://www.caitdonovan.as.me/free

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    #straightfromcait: Chinese Medicine for Healing Burnout Mar 08, 2020
    Show notes

    In this mini-episode, a listener asked me to talk about Chinese Medicine and Burnout, which I LOVED, so I did right away :).


    If you've been around for a while, you know that I have a Master's degree in Chinese Medicine - and if you're new - you just found out! :)


    Chinese medicine is an umbrella term that includes what is referred to as the 5 pillars. Acupuncture & Massage, Herbology, Nutrition & Lifestyle, Moxibustion, and Qigong.


    In different places, you will see these labeled differently. The fact is that Chinese medicine has a varied history within China and it's even messier when it starts moving to the West.


    The point I want to make here is that Chinese medicine is more than just acupuncture but in this quick episode, I speak mostly about acupuncture because it's so common.


    Acupuncture has the ability to calm our nervous systems, allow our brains to heal, improve gut bacteria and more which leads me to believe it's the best system for beating burnout.


    The points I mentioned that improve the stress management function of the brain are LI 4 (more commonly known as the headache point) and ST 36 (more commonly known as the immunity point).


    I hope this episode clues you in as to the power of Chinese medicine when you're burnt out.


    If you need help finding a practitioner near you, DM me on Instagram!

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    #straightfromcait Burnout Prevention vs. Burnout RECOVERY Mar 02, 2020
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    A special edition of FRIED: The Burnout Podcast brought to you #straightfromcait based on feedback that you provided!


    This is the very first thing I need you to know when you're learning about burnout. There are loads of stress management tips out there - but they are useless if you're ALREADY burnt out.


    And because I know that you wait until things are bad until you reach out for help, I know that the information that's out there isn't getting you where you need to go.


    Here's where you start - by differentiating burnout prevention from burnout recovery and understanding that burnout isn't just a MINDSET issue. It's a physiological set of changes in your body, gut, and brain that need to be addressed!


    There are no shortcuts in Burnout Recovery - and the journey starts here.


    LISTEN.


    LEAVE A REVIEW.


    SHARE WITH A FRIEND WHO COULD USE SOME BURNOUT HEALING.

    #endburnoutculture

    <3

    XOXO

    C

    Continue the conversation over on IG!

    www.instagram.com/friedtheburnoutpodcast

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