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    FRIED. The Burnout Podcast

    Your best people aren't lazy. They're burned out. And there's a difference — one that costs you performance, retention, and culture if you can't spot it.

    FRIED: The Burnout Podcast is a top 1% global show with over a million downloads, hosted by keynote speaker and burnout expert Cait Donovan. It's the show for leaders, executives, HR professionals, and high-responsibility humans who want to understand burnout at a systems level — not just survive it personally.

    The core question FRIED keeps asking: Where is the work no longer matching the humans doing it?

    Burnout isn't a motivation problem. It's a mismatch problem. When the fit between people, roles, expectations, and organizational systems breaks down — disengagement builds, resentment festers, and your best people start quietly planning their exit. FRIED helps you see those mismatches before they become crises.

    Each week you'll get expert conversations on workplace burnout, leadership, organizational culture, employee retention, and sustainable high performance — plus solo episodes where Cait breaks down the hidden dynamics driving disengagement in even the highest-performing teams.

    No blame. No fluff. No breathing exercises you didn't ask for.

    Topics covered: burnout prevention, chronic stress, leadership development, workplace culture, employee disengagement, resentment at work, emotional intelligence, nervous system regulation, boundaries, organizational design, psychological safety, and middle management burnout.

    FRIED. Because burnout isn't the price of ambition. It's a signal that something needs to change.

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    Copyright: © All works owned and produced by Cait Donovan LLC, 2022

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    Sarah O'Brien Hammond: Avoid the Crash - In an Ironman, In Life, and In Networking Oct 11, 2020
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    In today’s episode, we’re talking to Sarah O’Brien Hammond. Sarah is the Chief Community Officer and Founder of The Network of Women. Driven by her own life’s journey, her mission is to bring together growth-minded women through diverse and unique experiences focused on helping them live their best, most fulfilled life in a supportive, judgement free safe space. I’ve been attending NoW events since I moved to the US and Sarah has proven to be an amazing connector of people and friend.


    During our conversation, Sarah shares how she checked all the boxes, did all the things that society told her to do along the way, added a few Ironmans for a good time, and still woke up one day thinking:

    Is this it?!?!?


    Sarah continued, “I hit a wall. It happened to me at 41. I was like oh my gosh, I’m exhausted, and I’m not happy, and I’m not fulfilled, and I’ve been working my ass off for all these years and this is where I’m at?”


    How many of us has stopped and asked ourselves, “Is this IT!?”


    I know I did. I played by all the rules, I even added some heart following along the way and made some bold decisions and still reached a point where I was like… “Is this what I now have to do as an adult for the next 50 or so years? WTF for? What is the point? This sucks!”


    As our convo continued, we got into Sarah’s zone of genius which is networking and connecting and she gave us 3 amazing tips for avoiding networking burnout.


    1. Be realistic about what you can commit to. Know your bandwidth. Know your boundaries. Be sure you’re not signing up for everything available just because you feel like you should. If you can commit to one hour a month, use it well.
    2. Be Intentional with choosing your events. Choose them for yourself and not just growing your business. Prep for them and be present when you’re there.
    3. Know your ask. What are you looking to get out of the event? Who can you help? Are you looking for clients or maybe a referral source? Being clear on what you’re striving for makes it easier to get and makes your introductions more clear!

    I love talking to Sarah and it was great to have her on FRIED because I got to sneak an extra hour of chatting with her which is always fun for me. The thing that hit me most in this episode was that you can literally have it all and still burn out.


    What is one thing that stuck out for you from this conversation? What’s your biggest takeaway?

    Both Sarah and I would love to know, so please share and tag us on social media so we can support and cheer for you!

    Connect with Cait

    Website: www.caitdonovan.com

    Instagram: www.instagram.com/friedtheburnoutpodcast

    Pre-Order My Book: https://bit.ly/bouncebackorder



    Connect with Sarah

    Website: https://www.thenownyc.com

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thenownyc/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thenownyc/

    LinkedIN: https://linkedin.com/in/sarahobrienhammond

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    Xo

    Cait

    P.S. Do something to care for yourself this week and book a FREE Breakthrough Burnout Call with me! Initial calls last 35 minutes and are a great way to kickstart your burnout recovery. Book your call at caitdonovan.as.me/free.

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    #straightfromcait: Afraid The Only Way You Get A Break is if You Die, Disappear, Or Get In An Accident? Oct 04, 2020
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    Hi Fried Fans,

    We’re taking it real serious today and I’m starting with a TRIGGER WARNING! - we will be discussing suicidal ideations today.


    If you are sensitive to this topic, I suggest skipping this episode. If you are having suicidal ideations, I highly recommend that you reach out to the suicidepreventionhotline.org - this is applicable no matter where you are in the world.

    And after I wrote that intro piece, I avoided writing the next part. I checked facebook, replied to an email from a coaching client, scrolled through Instagram because even though I know we NEED to talk about this, it’s a little bit big and scary.


    If you’ve been listening to FRIED for awhile, you already know that there aren’t many conversations that I shy away from. I am big fan of leaning into difficult conversations - it’s part of what makes me a good coach and part of what gets the good juice out of interviewees.


    The conversation gets even more interesting if you’ve already read The Bouncebackability Factor because I write about suicidal ideations in the book - so the information is out there and the feedback I’m getting from it tells me that you thought you were alone in these thought patterns, that you were the only one who thought like this, and you’re grateful to know that you’re not.

    When my first coaching client mentioned that she had been dreaming of getting into a car accident just to get a break from life, I wasn’t shocked. I was relieved at her honesty. When a podcast guest said she seriously considered veering off the road into a tree - just to break a leg and be able to spend some time in the hospital, I felt the truth of her statement in my gut. When over and over again my highly accomplished successful female entrepreneur clients tell me that they wish they could escape, I know that we’re about to make a breakthrough.

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    Darrel Griffin: Creator of The Burnout Bros Talks Male Burnout Sep 27, 2020
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    In today’s episode, we’re talking to Darrel Griffin , a Human-centred marketer and anti-guru who, after experiencing his own burnout, is now creating a podcast and a community for men to openly discuss their burnout stories and get the support they need called Burnout Bros.

    During our conversation, Darrel shared stories about repeated chest infections, wailing so loud he was afraid the neighbors heard and carrying the burden of being the sole financial provider for a young family with his business network on the other side of the world.

    Speaking with Darrel, we touched upon the dangers that patriarchal society holds for both men and women, the importance of finding a doctor that you like and who will listen to you, and the need to sometimes drop the judgment about taking medications for mental health if that’s what you need.

    What I’d love to know is: Have you ever taken a pharmaceutical for mental health? Was it helpful? DId you judge yourself for it?

    Darrel let us know in this episode that it was a hard decision for him and the first one chosen wasn’t a great fit but that he learned to create acceptance around it. We hope that this episode allows you to give yourself the permission to heal, in whatever form is most appropriate for you right now!

    Darrel was really clear that burnout is f’ing awful and that talking about it more openly is crucial to all of us giving ourselves a break and reaching out for the help we need.


    If you’re tired, overwhelmed, and wishing you could just escape from it all for awhile, you might want to hop on a free call to see if I can help guide you away from the burnout cycle!

    Connect with Cait

    Website: www.caitdonovan.com

    Instagram: www.instagram.com/friedtheburnoutpodcast

    Order My Book: https://bit.ly/bouncebackorder



    Connect with Darrel

    Website: https://www.darrelgriffin.com.au/

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrelgriffin/

    Join Darrel’s Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/dE6W3D



    Xo

    Cait

    P.S. Do something to care for yourself this week and book a FREE call with me! Initial calls last 35 minutes and are a great way to kickstart your burnout recovery. Book your call at caitdonovan.as.me/free.


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    #straightfromcait: Passion is Not A Vaccine Against Future Burnout, No Matter What Instagram Meme's Say Sep 20, 2020
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    Hi Fried Fans!


    Your #straightfromcait episode this week got me a little fired up.


    I saw this quote by Simon Sinek floating around IG a few weeks ago and - well, I have a bone to pick with it. Let me preface this by saying I love Simon Sinek. His work is inspirational to me and this is in no way a judgment or criticism on him. I know that there are a few quotes from my book that I don’t stand by when they are written alone - it’s the full context that makes things make the most sense.


    In fact, when Annick Ina (the woman who helped me launch my book) had her VA write up some quotes to share from The Bouncebackability Factor for promotions, I nixed one of them because I hated it on it’s own - it’s not the message I want to share. I went back and read the whole chapter and felt good about it, but as a single sentence.. Ick.


    So, with that incredible pre-amble, I’m going to read this quote and tell you why I dislike it.

    “Working hard for something we don't care about is called stress: Working hard for something we love is called passion." ― Simon Sinek


    If I’ve said this once, I’ve said it a million times. YOU CAN STILL BURN OUT IF YOU’RE WORKING AT YOUR PASSION!


    Being out of alignment with what you’re meant to be doing in the world is but one small piece of the burnout puzzle. Being in alignment with what you’re meant to be doing and overworking, overgiving, undercharging, and having shitty boundaries will still burn you out - no matter how passionate you are.


    There are so many pieces to living a well lived life. There are so many pieces to building a sustainable business and yet there are few hard and fast rules. Most pieces need to be adjusted and upgraded as we go. Systems change, rules change, our energy changes - and we need to learn to respect that.


    I have been following my passion my whole damn life. Hell, I left nearly a full academic scholarship at Boston University on a pre-med track to head to California and take out massive loans to study Chinese medicine. I paid back those massive loans in 9 years - but it added to my burnout. Needing to earn that much more money was a burden. The loans were a burden. The patient load was a burden. My need to people please and have people like me was a burden.


    I wasn’t on the wrong track. I was learning and growing and burnout is what ended up being my guide. Burnout taught me how to balance passion with energy. Enthusiasm with boundaries. Love for my work with love for my life.


    So, Simon - apologies. This wasn’t an attack on you - but I really really don’t like that statement. I don’t need to see more incredibly talented and passionate people burn out because they aren’t respecting their edges.


    I want to see more people enjoying their passion AND their lives. I want to see more entrepreneurs building businesses that they love AND are sustainable. I want entrepreneurs to feel less guilty and more proud when they choose days of rest and restoration knowing that it only makes their business better when they feel 100%. I want to see entrepreneurs building lives they love that aren’t their business so they aren’t living it 24/7. Love your business, but enjoy your hobbies, friends, and family too.


    If you feel burdened by the constant barrage of info that tells you you should feel great when you follow your passion but you find yourself feeling like your passion is a boulder that is slowly crushing you, book a call - let's fix it.

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    Errin Weisman, D.O.: From Burnt Out To Badass, A Female Physician's Story Sep 13, 2020
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    Errin Weisman, D.O. was taught, like all doctors to be a robot, a superhuman, a she-ro - and it burnt her out. Now, Errin Weisman, DO is a life coach, podcaster and fierce wellness advocate who helps inspire female physicians and working moms to do the work they love and absolutely love life. Her work in the world is to openly tell how she faced professional burnout early in her family medicine career so that no one feels alone, all know that change is possible because "if she can do it, so can I" and that you can have a joy-filled and sustainable career. She lives and practices life coaching and medicine in rural Southwestern Indiana, loves her roles as farmer's wife, athlete and mother of three. Besides being sassy, she enjoys getting mud on her shoes, teaching her children to catch tadpoles and reading a great fantasy novel. In this episode,Errin and I definitely get sassy and talk about how burnout was the worst year of her lifeand left her asking: "What is wrong with me?!?!" Reaching the moment where she had everything she'd been striving for and then realizing something was missing she described as "when you reach the mountaintop and it feels like a deep dark canyon, and then you find the basement". It only took her 3 months into her medical career before she was looking for an out. When she reached out she got told she'd get used to it, it was normal, and maybe she should pop an antidepressant. Then, she met a coach. And the moment she finally felt seen, heard and understood - she began to heal. Now, she helps other female physicians and moms heal their own burnouts. In addition to 1:1 coaching, she has an online course called From Burnt Out To Badass, and she started a directory of physician coaches so that everyone can find the person they need. She credits learning to name and claim her emotions outside of 'numb' and 'angry' as crucial to her healing and talks a ton about really being her sassy self and how leaving her personality behind when she became DR. WEISSMAN was a major burnout factor for her. She wants you to know this: You are not broken. You are not the problem. This [burnout] is not a character flaw.


    And she'd love for you to ask yourself, "What if...... ..... you gave yourself the permission to explore?..... you allowed your personality to shine through?..... you could let go of your identity that you gained because of your career or degree?..... you could be empowered to just be you? This week's episode is fun and informative and I know you're going to love it as much as i did. If you're ready to end the burnout cycle you're stuck on, you can book a call with Cait here. LINKS Errin INSTAGRAMErrin WebsiteCourse: From Burnt Out To BadassThe Physician Coaching AllianceDoctor Me First Podcast LINKS TO CAIT Cait's WebsiteBUY THE BOOK: The Bouncebackability FactorThe Resentment Journal Mini Course XOXO C P.S. In this episode we chat openly about the fact that black women need extra support for the extra burden they carry. If you are a black woman who needs support and would like to be working with a black coach, please send me an email at cait @ caitdonovan . com so that I can set you up with someone who can support you as you need to be supported.


    P.P.S. The Bouncebackability Factor: End Burnout, Gain Resilience, and Change the World is OUT! This book is for everyone who has ever felt burnt out with a special flavor in there for the female entrepreneur. Get your copy here

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    #straightfromcait: 3 Expert Tips To Restore Your Health After Burnout Sep 06, 2020
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    Hi Fried Fans!


    On the last #straightfromcait episode, I shared 5 words with you that come up often as guides on my clients’ burnout recovery journeys. Those words were: safety, owning your genius, embodiment, community, and truth.


    When it came time to make the infographic for the episode (if you’re not following me on LinkedIn or Instagram, now's the time to get on board! :)), I added one more word - RESTORE.

    And when I asked you which of these words resonated most, RESTORE was the winner by a country mile. Some of the comments you left taught me that you still aren’t sure how to turn this word into an actionable step that you can take in your life, so I decided to break it down for you.


    First, we have to think about what this word means when it comes to being a human. I mean, we could talk about restoring furniture, but I’m not sure if the metaphor would work. The word restore has a simple definition: to bring something or someone back to a former condition but when we’re talking about health, is that really what we mean?


    Here’s what I think resonated with you in the word restore (and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong!)


    The word restore means to be brought to a state of overall well being. It might be a state that is even better than a state you have ever experienced. It means creating space for healing. It means slowing down, having a respite from day to day events and stressors, and allowing your body to use it’s natural powers of rejuvenation without interrupting her before she’s done.


    It means sleeping deeply, eating well, and resting without feeling guilty.


    But that all sounds like a tall order, so how can you start to give your body more time to restore itself today within the schedule that you currently have?


    Luckily, I have a few ideas ;)


    You'll find 3 tips in this episode and 2 of them take under 60 seconds.


    Let me know which is your favorite!


    XOXO

    C


    ALSO - The Bouncebackability Factor (my first book!) is available for pre-order (in the kindle version, the paperback will be out Sept 14th). Check it out here: bit.ly/bouncebackorder


    AND - I loooooooooove hearing your stories. If you have been pushed too far to the edge and you're ready to end the burnout cycle and live the life you deserve, book your initial call here: bit.ly/callcait


    That first call is free and it's everything we need to figure out if I'm the right person to help you right now.


    Slots for the fall are filling up quickly, so snag yours asap! :)

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    #straightfromcait: The 5 Words You Can Focus On To Help You Recover From Burnout - Straight From The Expert Aug 23, 2020
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    This episode is being released on my birthday! YAYYAYAYYAYAY!


    Shout me out everywhere because I love my Birthday! :)

    Especially tag me on IG: @cait_donovan


    Today I want to chat with you about the power of words. Often, in the first call with a new coaching client, there is a word that pokes itself out and decides that this is what we need to focus on during our work together.

    It happens intuitively, and it serves as great guidance as you heal. Today, I want to share 5 of them with you that happen to pop up fairly frequently!


    1. Safety - there can be a lack of safety in your life even if you’re technically ‘safe’. If there are areas where you feel unsafe, your nervous system will remain stuck in fight or flight and it will be really hard for you to heal. This can mean living with someone who has explosive emotions, it can mean feeling that you don’t buy new stuff because you’re afraid you can’t care for it.


    2. Owning Your Genius - this is true if you’re on the right path, but still need to allow yourself to grow to a bigger scale - staying small can burn you out!

    1. Truth - when you are living a life that your parents or culture would deem acceptable but what you want to do is a little less conventional or socially acceptable than traditional modes of working ( or LIVING).

    2. Community - we need other people. A couple weeks ago, I did a #straightfromcait about external validation and I meant every single word. Soon, there will be a FB group around The Bouncebackability Factor (preorder now!)
    1. Embodiment - the knowledge that you have in your brain is shared with your heart and your body. I was stuck in intellectualizing my situation for a long time and I HAD the knowledge, but I wasn’t APPLYING all the knowledge. Practicing allows for embodiment!

    2. If you want your own word, we start by getting on a free consult call (we need to know we love each other before we start this process! :)). You can book a time slot for yourself here: bit.ly/callcait

    XOXO


    Cait


    P.S. The Bouncebackability Factor Reviews are IN! Here’s an example to get you excited to snag your copy ASAP…


    “I laughed, I cried, I took a deep breath and sighed … was it possible Cait had been following me around and documenting my trials and tribulations??? It was a BLESSING to acknowledge that the symptoms and manifestations of Burn-Out were systemic in society, especially so with women. It was also reaffirming to know that it is possible to slow the progression of being fried alive by learning to recognize signs and symptoms and pay attention to the whispers of the body that require attention and lovingkindness, before the whispers turn into screams, or worse.” Kathy


    P.P.S. Want to pre-order your kindle copy IMMEDIATELY!??! You can do that here :)

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    Nicole Liloia: Teaches Us How to Use Laziness To Heal from Burnout and Earn More Money (while Watching Dawson's Creek) with Cait Donovan Aug 16, 2020
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    In today’s episode, I’m speaking with Nicole Liloia, a therapist and business strategist who helps women entrepreneurs build bigger businesses and create consistent income growth by helping them create multiple income streams. Her system allows her clients the freedom to work less, while still making more money. Nicole got her Masters in Social Work from Columbia University, loves Taco Tuesdays and Apothic wine.

    Nicole talks about her experience living on a small salary in the Big Apple and how that contributes to burnout, her love for travel and how that inspired her to bust through the limiting ideas of running her own business, affiliate marketing and of course, Dawson’s Creek (that’s why you’re here, isn’t it?)!

    We discussed how we can often suffer from burnout but call it laziness and be ruthlessly hard on ourselves and how it actually takes time to recover, it’s not a flip of a switch for anyone.

    Stay till the end, because Nicole also shares some easy tips on affiliate marketing and how you can get started today, even if you have a job or don’t have a business. Plus, ways you can start saving on autopilot and guarantee a more secure future for yourself!

    I truly enjoyed speaking with Nicole and love that she actually lives so close to me and both of us would love to know what resonated the most with you from today’s episode and would you like to listen to an episode dedicated to finances and burnout? Send me a message on Instagram and I cannot wait to hear from you!

    Connect with Cait

    Website: www.caitdonovan.com

    Cait on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cait_donovan

    Fried on Instagram: www.instagram.com/friedtheburnoutpodcast

    Pre-Order My Book: https://bit.ly/bouncebackorder



    Connect with Nicole

    Website:https://www.nicoleliloia.com

    Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/nicoleliloia

    Grab your Freebie here https://www.nicoleliloia.com/multiple-income-streams

    Xo

    Cait

    P.S. Do something to care for yourself this week and book a FREE call with me! Initial calls last 35 minutes and are a great way to kickstart your burnout recovery. Book your call at caitdonovan.as.me/free.

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    #straightfromcait: The Power of External Validation For Burnout Prevention and Recovery
 Aug 09, 2020
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    In this week's #straightfromcait episode, I want to share with you just how important external validation is. Yes, it matters. No, you shouldn't go on without it.


    It is so important that its one of the biggest external burnout risk factors. That's right. Not hearing enough praise or recognition (or worse, hearing only negative feedback) is a MAJOR factor in your ability to stay burnout free.


    I know that the world of coaching and the law of attraction would love for you to believe that you create your entire reality and if you just straighten out everything internally, your whole life will fall into place and you'll feel amazing all the time. What other people think about you and say about you will become immaterial....


    I'm here to tell you today that that is total BS. We need each other. I need you. We're a community. We don't truly do anything alone (even if it feels like it sometimes). We need to be loved, recognized, and praised.


    In my personal burnout story, I needed someone to love me from the outside before I learned how to love myself. It didn't start with me, it started with my best friend, Ewa.


    She showed me how to love myself by loving me when I still didn't know how.


    Other people matter. Who you surround yourself with matters.


    That's the truth.


    So, for today - know this:


    I LOVE YOU.


    YOU ARE MAGICAL.


    YOU DESERVE LOADS OF GOODNESS IN YOUR LIFE.


    XOXO

    C


    Dying for me to be your coach?!?!? (me too! ;))

    Book a free consult here:

    bit.ly/callcait


    Can't wait to talk to you and create space for your magic.

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    Khadijah Tishan Washington: A Black Therapist Shares Her View on Spirituality, Racial Trauma, and Committing To Your Own Healing Aug 02, 2020
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    In today’s episode, we’re talking to Khadijah Tishan Washington MSW, LCSW , a licensed therapist who credits her own creative and chaotic childhood with inspiring her passion for social work. Khadijah began her journey of service and self- healing in child and family mental health. Her latest book, ‘REAL’ is a memoir of healing and deeper awareness that directs you to serve the most vulnerable- the people serving the neglected, abused, and marginalized. Khadijah describes this journey of serving and self-healing as ‘REAL’.

    During our conversation, she shares snippets from her own life, her childhood and her lived experience with racism in America and generational trauma it inflicts, what makes her so passionate and how all of that has informed her work over the years

    I truly enjoyed speaking with Khadijah and having this extremely important conversation continue. I’d love to know: What is one thing that stuck out for you from this conversation? What’s your biggest takeaway?

    Both Khadijah and I would love to know, so please share and tag us on social media so we can support and cheer for you!

    Connect with Cait

    Website: www.caitdonovan.com

    Instagram: www.instagram.com/friedtheburnoutpodcast

    Pre-Order My Book: https://bit.ly/bouncebackorder



    Connect with Khadijah

    Website: https://khadijahtishan.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/khadijahtishan/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/khadijahtishan/

    Buy her book HERE!

    Xo

    Cait

    P.S. Do something to care for yourself this week and book a FREE call with me! Initial calls last 35 minutes and are a great way to kickstart your burnout recovery. Book your call at caitdonovan.as.me/free.

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