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    The Savvy Sauce

    Do you want ideas for questions to deepen your conversations? Do you want to feel intimately connected to your spouse? Do you desire to parent with purpose? If so, tune in each Monday with Laura, a licensed marriage and family therapist who specialized in Christian sex therapy. She interviews the best faith-based speakers to answer our questions and doesn’t shy away from a wide range of difficult topics. Sexual intimacy is discussed once a month so that you can delight in your marital relationship, feel equipped to teach your children about sex, and learn practical ways to overcome hurt or addiction. Episodes on health and wellness cover topics of hormones and free lifestyle swaps, perimenopause, and what simple practices yield HUGE health benefits. Marital experts teach conflict resolution that actually works, parenting pros share wisdom from newborns to adult children, business leaders let us in on secrets of the trade, and the foundation of everything is Jesus Christ!  Find joy here and live on purpose as you consider, “What’s your savvy sauce?!”

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    Top Ten from 2021: #9 Journey From Empty to Well-Nourished Soul with Gretchen Saffles Jun 06, 2022
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    Top Ten from 2021: #9 Journey from Empty to Well Nourished Soul with Gretchen Saffles

    Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. John 15:4

    Gretchen Saffles is passionate about encouraging and equipping women to drink deeply from the well of God’s Word and to find their identity and purpose in Christ. She is the founder of Well-Watered Women, an online ministry that reaches women worldwide with the hope of the gospel, and the author of The Well-Watered Woman: Rooted in Truth, Growing in Grace, Flourishing in Faith. She has written several Bible studies including Redefined: Defining Identity through the Mirror of God’s Word and Esther: The Fingerprints of God. She is also the creator of the Give Me Jesus quiet-time journal for women, a tool to help women study Scripture daily. On any given day you can find her with a cup of coffee in hand, her boys by her side, a message stirring in her soul, and a God-sized dream on her heart. Gretchen lives in Atlanta, Georgia, with her husband, Greg, and her two sons, Nolan and Haddon.

    Questions and Topics We Discuss:

    1. Will you share more about the pit that led you to a transformative encounter with Jesus in college?

    2. How did God begin to pour out His grace on you and even allow you to begin sharing your story in what felt like the midst of living your story?

    3. Which relationships have impacted your walk with the Lord that you also wrote about in your book?

    Other Savvy Sauce Episode Mentioned: Fruitful

    At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

    The Well-Watered Woman

    Well-Watered Women Website and Instagram

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: WinShape Marriage

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    Top Ten from 2021: #10 Discovering God’s Design for Romance with Sharon Jaynes May 23, 2022
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    *Disclaimer* This episode includes mature content and is not intended for children.

    Top Ten from 2021: #10 Discovering God's Design for Romance with Sharon Jaynes

    Song of Solomon 5:16 (AMP) “His mouth is full of sweetness; Yes, he is altogether lovely and desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

    Questions and Topics We Discuss:

    1. What did you discover through your research in Song of Solomon?

    2. From Song of Solomon, what did you learn about female desire that is potentially different from our typical cultural assumptions?

    3. How can we remain lovestruck in our marriages?

    Sharon Jaynes is a conference speaker and the author of twenty-five books. She served as vice president and radio cohost of Proverbs 31 Ministries for ten years and currently writes for their online devotions. Sharon is cofounder of Girlfriends in God, which strives to cross generational, racial, and denominational boundaries to bring the body of Christ together as believers. She and her husband live in Weddington, North Carolina.

    Connect with Sharon on Facebook, Instagram, or Her Website

    At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

    Lovestruck by Sharon Jaynes

    Other Episodes About Sexual Intimacy in Marriage:

    4 Fostering a Fun, Healthy Sex Life With Your Spouse With Certified Sex Therapist and Author, Dr. Jennifer Konzen

    5 Ways To Deepen Your Intimacy In Marriage With Certified Sex Therapist and Author, Dr. Douglas Rosenau

    6 Ten Common Questions About Sex, Shared Through a Biblical Worldview With Certified Sex Therapist and Pastor, Dr. Michael Sytsma

    7 Easy Changes to Enhance Your Sexual Intimacy in Marriage With Christian Sex Therapist Pioneers, Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner

    8 Hope for Treating Pelvic Pain With Pelvic Floor Physical Therapist Specialist, Tracey LeGrand

    30 Treatment for Sexual Issues with Certified Sex Therapist, Emma Schmidt

    34 Talking With Your Kids About Sex with Brian and Alison Sutter

    39 Natural Aphrodisiacs in Marriage with Certified Sex Therapist, Dr. Douglas Rosenau

    45 Healthy Sexuality, Emotional Intelligence, and Parenting Children with Autism with Counselor, Lauren Dack

    49 Pain and Joy in Sexual Intimacy with Psychologist and Certified Sex Therapist, Dr. Jessica McCleese

    56 Enjoying a God-Honoring, Healthy Sex Life with Your Spouse with Certified Sex Therapist and Ordained Minister, Dr. Michael Sytsma

    63 Maximizing Sexual Intimacy During the 3 Most Challenging Seasons in Marriage with Christian Sex Therapist Pioneers, Dr. Clifford and Joyce Penner

    76 Conflict Resolution, Infidelity, and Infertility with Licensed Psychologist and Certified Sex Therapist, Dr. Jessica McCleese

    80 Hormones and Body Image with Vickie George

    89 Passion Pursuit with Dr. Juli Slattery

    94 Erectile Dysfunction, Premature Ejaculation, and Treatments with Dr. Irwin Goldstein

    95 Bonus Episode: Female Orgasm with Sue Goldstein

    101 Turn Ons, Turn Offs, and Savoring Sex in Marriage with Dr. Jennifer Konzen

    104 Sexual Desire Discrepancy in Marriage with Dr. Michael Sytsma

    106 Answering Listeners Questions about Sex with Kelli Willard

    108 Anatomy of an Affair with Dave Carder

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: WinShape Marriage

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    182 Things I Wish I’d Known Before my Child Became a Teenager with Dr. Gary Chapman May 16, 2022
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    182. Things I Wish I'd Known Before my Child Became a Teenager with Dr. Gary Chapman

    "They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness." Hebrews 12:10 (NIV)

    Questions and Topics We Discuss:

    1. What are some ways we can begin teaching our teenagers skills that will benefit them for the rest of their lives?

    2. What are some regrets you've heard parents of teens express over the years?

    3. Will you elaborate on ways to partner increasing independence with increasing responsibility for our teen?

    Gary Chapman, Ph.D.—author, speaker, pastor, and counselor—has a passion for people, and for helping them form lasting relationships. Chapman is a well-known marriage counselor and director of marriage seminars. The 5 Love Languages® is one of Chapman’s most popular titles, topping various bestseller charts for years, selling over thirteen million copies, and has been on the New York Times best-sellers list continuously since 2007. Chapman has been directly involved in real-life family counseling for more than 30 years, and his nationally syndicated radio programs air nationally on Moody Radio Network and over 400 affiliate stations. For more information visit www.5lovelanguages.com

    Other Episode Mentioned:

    5 Love Languages with Dr. Gary Chapman

    At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

    Things I Wish I'd Known Before My Child Became a Teenager

    Five Love Languages

    The 5 Love Languages of Teenagers

    A Teen's Guide to the 5 Love Languages

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: Justin Maust (Expert EOS Implementer, Keynote Speaker, and Entrepreneur)

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    181 Life-Giving Marriage with Dr. Juli Slattery May 09, 2022
    Show notes

    *DISCLAIMER* This interview includes some adult themes and is not intended for young ears.

    181. Life-Giving Marriage with Dr. Juli Slattery

    "The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit." Proverbs 18:21 (NIV)

    Questions we discuss:

    1. Based on observations throughout your career, what are some of the important mental shifts you've noticed women and couples need to make in their sex lives?

    2. How do you think traditional teaching on submission has been imbalanced and even destructive to some women and marriages?

    3. You write that there is a difference between a fight and conflict, so how can we move from fighting to engaging in healthy conflict?

    Dr. Juli Slattery is a clinical psychologist, author, speaker and broadcast media professional with over twenty-five years of experience counseling, and teaching women. She’s the president and co-founder of Authentic Intimacy, a unique ministry devoted to teaching God’s design for intimacy and sexuality. In 2020, Juli launched SexualDiscipleship.com, a platform designed to help Christian leaders navigate sexual issues and questions with gospel-centered truth. She hosts a weekly podcast, Java with Juli, where she answers tough questions about relationships, marriage, and spiritual, emotional and sexual intimacy. www.authenticintimacy.com

    Other Episodes with Dr. Juli Slattery on The Savvy Sauce:

    Passion Pursuit with Dr. Juli Slattery

    Patreon 26 Holy Sex with Dr. Juli Slattery

    At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

    Finding the Hero in Your Husband

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: Leman Property Management Company

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    180 Becoming Famous at Home with Dr. Josh and Christi Straub Apr 25, 2022
    Show notes

    180. Becoming Famous at Home with Dr. Josh and Christi Straub

    "And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers," Malachi 4:6a (ESV)

    Questions and Topics We Cover:

    1. What has God taught you two about why it is vitally important to be famous at home?

    2. How do you combat the impulse to seek fulfillment in things outside the home that may seem to offer more instant gratification than cultivating our family?

    3. Will you tell us more about what you've learned about the importance of rhythms?

    Dr. Josh and Christi Straub are speakers, authors, and marriage and leadership coaches. Together, they lead Famous at Home, a company equipping leaders, organizations, military families, and churches in emotional intelligence and family wellness. Together, they host the weekly Famous at Home podcast, lead a yearlong coaching cohort called The Leader’s Heart, and have two children’s books on emotional intelligence called What Am I Feeling? and What Do I Do With Worry? Josh and Christi are also authors of Homegrown and 25 Days of the Christmas Story: An Advent Family Experience, as well as Famous at Home: 7 Decisions to Put Your Family Center Stage in a World Competing for Your Time, Attention, and Identity. Josh and Christi love spending time on the lake with their three sweet kids and their feisty goldendoodle, Copper.

    Connect with them through: Their Famous at Home Website, Famous at Home Podcast, or Instagram

    Famous at Home by Dr. Josh and Christi Straub

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: Justin Maust, Expert EOS Implementer and Keynote Speaker

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    179 Redeeming Heartache with Dr. Dan Allender Apr 18, 2022
    Show notes

    *DISCLAIMER: This episode discusses adult themes and is not intended for young ears.

    179. Redeeming Heartache with Dr. Dan Allender

    "How precious are your thoughts about me, O God. They cannot be numbered!" Psalm 139:17 (NLT)

    Questions and Topics We Discuss:

    1. How do you help others bridge "the story of the gospel and the stories of trauma and abuse that mark so many?"

    2. Will you model this by going first?

    3. If we are walking alongside a loved one who has experienced Trauma, what is your recommendation for ways we can best love, and honor, and support them?

    Dr. Dan Allender has pioneered a unique therapy centered around his innovative theory and training in transforming betrayal, ambivalence, and powerlessness into faith, hope, and love. He is a professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School and founder of The Allender Center, speaking on trauma, sexual abuse recovery, love and forgiveness, and intimacy. He’s a popular podcaster on The Allender Center Podcast and the author of Health the Wondered Heart, The Wounded Heart, The Healing Path, To Be Told and God Loves Sex.

    Connect with Dr. Allender on Facebook or Instagram

    The Allender Center

    At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

    Redeeming Heartache

    God Loves Sex

    The Wounded Heart

    Thank You to Our Sponsor: Midwest Food Bank

    Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website

    Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast!

    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    178 Fresh Take on Hospitality with Jaime Farrell Apr 11, 2022
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    178. Fresh Take on Hospitality with Jaime Farrell Romans 12:13 (ESV) "Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality." **Transcription Below** Questions and Topics We Discuss: What is your personal process (including practical and replicable suggestions) for making hosting a reality? Do you ever have a stinky attitude about hosting? How do you actually involve your kids in the process? Jaime Farrell is first of all, a beloved of her Lord. She is also wife to Jonathan, and mother to Jorja, Jolie, Jemma, and Job. Once her children were school aged, she returned to working as a teacher in her local community. She can be reached on Facebook and she would also love to invite you to sit with her at church! Find out more about the church where her family attends and her husband serves as Lead Pastor at gracemorton.org. Links to Everything Mentioned in Today's Episode: At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Sample of Games: Code Names Double Ditto Wits and Wagers Family Edition Websites: Brown Eyed Baker Sally's Baking Addiction Books: When People are Big and God is Small The Gospel Comes with a House Key Recipes: Man-Pleasing Chicken Mexican Pulled Pork Tacos Grace Church Website Other Savvy Sauce Episodes Related to Hospitality: The Supernatural Power Present While Gathering at the Table with Devi Titus Practical Tips to Eating Dinner Together as a Family with Blogger and Cookbook Co-Author, Rachel Tiemeyer Ideas for Meaningful Holiday Traditions with Mentor, Shawn Mazelin Relationships and Opportunities that Arise from Using Your Gifts with Founder of Neighbor’s Table, Sarah Harmeyer The Story of Six Sisters' Stuff Experiencing Joy, Connection, and Nourishment at the Table with Abby Turner Patreon 6 Making Your Home a Place of Love and Peace With Author and International Speaker, Devi Titus Patreon 12 Mentoring and Hospitality with Mentor, Shawn Mazelin Patreon 37 Your Hospitality Personality with Morgan Tyree Hospitality Related Articles: Homemaking Resources Recipes to Try Thank You to Our Sponsor: Midwest Food Bank Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <Music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Thank you to an anonymous donor to Midwest Food Bank who paid this sponsorship fee in hopes of spreading awareness. Learn more about this amazing nonprofit organization at midwestfoodbank.org. I'm so happy to get to introduce you to today's guest and one of my dearest friends, Jaime Farrell. I've wanted to ask Jaime on The Savvy Sauce for a long time now because she lives her life in such an admirable way and she's a very joyful and energetic teacher. Once all of her kids became school-age, she did return to work as a teacher. But her gift of teaching also comes out in other areas, such as at church or gathering small groups together. And now she's going to teach us all about hospitality. Here's our chat. Welcome to the savvy thoughts, Jaime. [00:01:20] Jaime Farrell: Thanks so much for having me. This is such a joy. Laura Dugger: Will you just start by giving us an overview of who you are and what you love to do? Jaime Farrell: Sure. Hi, my name is Jaime Farrell, and above all, I am a beloved of Jesus. I am saved by Him and a follower of His. And then I'm also wife to Jonathan, who's a pastor at Grace Church in Morton, Illinois, and I'm mom to four kids that start with J: Jorja, Jolie, Jemma, and Job. I love to play games. I love to teach and I love to be warm, which makes living in Illinois sometimes tricky. Laura Dugger: I love it. As you're sitting here with your hot water, that is very true. But you were always up for hosting families or couples or kids. And I hear about you and your cousin Shalom providing these huge meals for teachers. Anytime we're getting together, I know that you just always are going to show up with yummy treats. So when I think of the topic of hospitality, I totally picture you. [00:02:21] Where did this love of hospitality originate? Jaime Farrell: Well, goodness, it's really humbling that you think of me because truly I know so many people who do this really well, yourself included, my friend Laura. So that is a conversation that I feel like we could have with multiple people. I would say for me, specifically, loving hospitality originated from it being modeled to me. My parents, specifically my mom, just did this really well. My mom's been a caregiver her whole life. She lost her dad to a brain aneurysm at 12, and then at 15, her mom got hit by a drunk driver, which resulted in a brain injury. So her mom had to learn everything at that time and was truly never the same. [00:03:06] So my mom was the middle of eight kids with the youngest two being handicapped. So from when she was 15 on, she was caring for people. And that just kind of flowed into her home as an adult. So because of these life experiences, my mom knew how to cook for a big crowd. She knew how to be okay with the chaos of a crowd. She knew how to have an open-door policy and almost expect the unexpected. So I saw her bring people meals growing up. I saw her have people time and time again. We would welcome missionaries or guests into our home. She would always host the holidays because she had been cooking those meals since she was 15. And then she would consistently say yes to my friends coming over. She just extended warmth to people at church. Like, I saw her greet people at church. And then I remember often her talking to people on the phone back when talking on the phone was a thing. So she would call them. So that example just kind of really paved the way for me to consider hospitality as normal and just part of life. [00:04:06] But even though I had that beautiful motto, I would say there's still growth for me in hospitality because it looks so different for us in different stages. I've come into what hospitality looks like for me rather than what hospitality looks like for even my mom. My mom sets a beautiful table. And she's even done a couple of weddings. She just makes incredible food. I feel like she's more of a chef and I'm more of a cook. I'm more like a paper plate person. I would be very satisfied if I just bought you some pizza. So very different from my mom. But to be honest, I think our natural bent as sinners is that we wouldn't choose to serve or consider others. So I believe that if we've been challenged by Jesus, then we're all growing in hospitality in some way, because I think that's fruit of Him that you would even consider others. Laura Dugger: I love how you bring it back to Jesus because it just makes me think it was only a few days that the Lord created the earth. And how long has He been preparing a place for us in eternity? [00:05:07] And you're right, He's the one that fills us for this. But let's even back it up for just a moment. Can you just define hospitality for us and maybe share your favorite biblical inspiration for hospitality? Jaime Farrell: Yeah. So I actually looked up hospitality in the dictionary. And it is the friendly and generous reception and entertainment of guests, visitors, and strangers. I actually thought that secular definition was so good. And just pulling apart those words, friendly I think of as warm and being a gatherer; generous, lavishing or pouring out; and then there's the word reception, welcoming, receiving people; and then entertainment, just enjoying each other, whether guests, visitors or strangers. And again, that's a secular definition, right? But it's actually very much rooted in scripture. So hospitality, being friendly and generous, welcoming and enjoying guests, visitors, and strangers is just truly replete in scripture. [00:06:13] It is all over. So I'm just going to share some verses that when I think of hospitality, I think of these verses. Romans 12:13 says to contribute to the needs of the saints and to pursue hospitality. Hebrews 13:1-2 says, "Brotherly love must continue. Do not neglect hospitality because through it some have entertained angels without knowing it." 1 Peter 4:7-9, "For the culmination of all things that is near. Come Lord Jesus. So be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of prayer. Above all, keep your love for one another fervent because love covers a multitude of sins." And then we often say that verse, but verse 9 comes right after it, which says, "Show hospitality to one another without complaining." 1 Timothy 3:2, "The overseer then must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable and an able teacher." [00:07:13] And we think of that in terms with my husband being a pastor. We believe that hospitality is something that we should practice as a family because he is an overseer. Matthew 25:34-40, this is a parable that Jesus was talking about. And it says, "Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me food. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me in. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.' Then these righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you as stranger and invited you in? Or naked and clothed you? When did we see you sick or in prison or visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'I tell you the truth, just as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers or sisters of mine, you did it for me!'" [00:08:12] So practicing hospitality is practicing loving Jesus well. Honestly, really the more we understand the depth of God's grace to us personally, the more we're willing and ready to show that depth of grace to others. And I really believe that can be done through hospitality. Hospitality it's just reflecting the gospel work in our lives. Jesus invited us in, so we should be willing to invite anyone in. Jesus lavishly gave to us, so we should lavishly give to others. Laura Dugger: Jaime, that is incredible. I feel like you've made such an amazing case because the Lord has made such an amazing case for hospitality in Scripture. So even with all of that knowledge, what are some roadblocks that you see for others resisting the call to hospitality? Jaime Farrell: I think there's several. You know, time, money, attitude, life stage. I want to be honest that I've struggled with all of these at one point or another. [00:09:11] But it feels like we typically will say we don't have enough time or we don't have enough money, or we're introverts, or homebodies, or we have little kids or we're old and we're tired. There's tons of excuses that I have personally thought of and plenty that I've sinfully and sadly used. I think so often our no's to hospitality, at least for me, are because our expectations are wrong. We may wrongly think that we need to have hours in order to practice hospitality or we have to have gobs of money in order to practice hospitality. We may think we need to actually entertain rather than be hospitable. Or we just may feel inadequate and that others will step in and take it on for us. But practicing hospitality is so broad and us keeping it to certain boundaries just really can stifle it. It really can be practiced over McDonald's coffee or peanut butter and jelly or no food at all. It can happen in an untidy house or at the neighborhood pool or even a plastic pool in the backyard. [00:10:11] It can be inviting another family to sled with you. That's a freebies activity. Whenever we invite someone into our life for the good of their body and soul. We're practicing hospitality. I listened to a podcast on hospitality recently, and one of the hosts had said, Focus on people, not the formula. And I think that's so true. If we focus on the who, not the how or the what, we will feel…

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    177 Power of Encouragement with Jamila Jackson Apr 04, 2022
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    177. Power of Encouragement with Jamila Jackson 1 Thessalonians 5:11 (NIV) "Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing." *Transcription Below* Questions and Topics We Discuss: Will you tell us about your small beginnings and advise others how we can progress in our own dream? What has God taught you through your journey with depression and anxiety? Will you give us some practical ways you have learned to hear from the Holy Spirit and recognize His voice? Jamila Jackson is the Chief Encouragement Officer of loved+blessed, which provides care packages and community to help you encourage yourself and those you love. She spent over 20 years working as a buyer, sourcing manager, designer and creative director for a global creative product agency and some of the world’s most well-known fashion and beauty brands. Her greatest dream was to become a mother, but God had other plans. He helped her overcome the depression and hopelessness that accompanied her infertility when she founded loved+blessed and started using her talents to create boxes of encouragement. Her message is one of hope that will inspire you to celebrate the joys and keep moving forward through the challenges of each day. Loved + Blessed Website Other Episodes Mentioned: Powerful Purpose of Introverts with Holley Gerth Uncover Your Purpose with Clarity with Isimemen Aladejobi Thank You to Our Sponsor: Justin Maust Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” *Transcription* [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: I'm excited to introduce you to an old friend and today's sponsor, Justin Maust. He's an expert EOS implementer, a certified speaker for the John Maxwell team, and a passionate coach committed to glorifying God by helping business owners get everything they want from their business. Jamila Jackson is a faithful woman who is the founder of Loved and Blessed. Through sharing personal stories and processes that helped her grow from small beginnings, she's going to teach us how to heed God's timing in whatever dream or business we're currently pursuing. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jamila. Jamila Jackson: Thank you so much. I'm excited to chat with you. Laura Dugger: I'm thrilled for this time together. Will you just get us started by sharing your testimony? [00:01:17] Jamila Jackson: Oh, absolutely. Now, let's see. I'm a talker, so I'm going to try to give you the condensed version. Wow. It's so funny. Whenever I share my testimony, there's so many different parts of it. Obviously, the part that is most near and dear to my heart is probably kind of the thing that's launched me into where my life is today and kind of the mission that God's put me on. But I really, from birth, have wanted to be a wife and a mother. People always laugh at that. And I'm like, "No, really from birth." I pretty much... you know, that was always my dream. I've had other dreams and aspirations, but that's always been my primary dream. And never kind of assumed that that wouldn't happen. So I was blessed to get married in my 30s and still married today. It's been 16 years, going on 17 soon. We tried to start having children probably about three years in. We had some trouble, I'll say, in the beginning, but didn't necessarily think anything of it because, you know, everybody tells you sometimes it just takes time and all of that. [00:02:30] But we found out later after trying for a while that I have some issues that make it pretty much, as far as the doctors have said... you know, the doctor, I think, was just trying to give me a little hope. But he told me that I have a less than 3 percent chance of conceiving naturally. I think he probably wanted to say I have almost no chance. But I think he was trying to give me a little bit of hope there. So we really prayed about it. It was very devastating, I think, for me personally, because my life had really been wrapped up, up until that point, in wanting to be a mother. Once I got married, it was kind of like, Okay, next, have kids. I share with people sometimes that I kind of got obsessive about it. I've said before that really becoming a mother became an idol in my life in a lot of ways because I really planned everything around that. And even when we found out that I would have some trouble and we prayed about it and talked to our pastor and talked to some other friends and got some really godly counsel from other friends who'd have similar issues, we decided to try IVF. [00:03:40] We went through a few rounds of that. But the very first round, I actually got pregnant, and I was overjoyed. I can't even put it into words how overjoyed I was. Unfortunately, we ended up having a miscarriage. But interestingly, in kind of that season, that was really the most devastating. You know, we came to a point where I realized through my husband and I talking, and I realized personally just that I had centered my entire life around getting pregnant at that point. It was a dream that I had always had and always assumed would just happen. And then when it didn't happen the way that I thought it would, I thought, Oh, well, the Lord's given me another outlet, another way for this to happen through IVF. And then I got pregnant and again thought, Okay, now my dream is happening. And oh, what a testimony I'm going to have, you know? [00:04:40] Little did I know my testimony was going to be completely different. So after the miscarriage, we prayed about it and just really decided that we didn't feel like the Lord was telling us to continue trying IVF. So when we finally decided that we weren't going to continue that route, I was really devastated. I felt so lost. At the time, I didn't realize it. I realized it later. But I was really angry at God. But at the time, I, you know, was trying to be positive and praying for a miracle in some other way. But ultimately, I went into a season of fasting and praying, and God revealed so many different things to me. Like I said, I realized that I was angry at Him. I realized that I had put motherhood before Him in some ways because I was so focused on that. There were seasons during that time where I literally... you know, I did my Bible study faithfully every morning, but I would only really study scriptures about barren women in the Bible. [00:05:47] And of course, you know, going to the Bible for your needs is something that we should do. But it does get a little bit kind of idol worship on my side where I got to the point where I was only going to it for that one thing that I wanted instead of asking God what He wanted. Ultimately during that time of prayer and fasting, He gave me the idea to start Loved and Blessed and to really use the pain that I was going through instead to encourage other women. And so that's kind of the short version of my testimony. It took time, but He was able to replace that dream that I had of motherhood with another dream that I never even realized was kind of buried in my heart. And that's what I've been kind of doing ever since is really just encouraging women. Laura Dugger: Wow. Thank you for sharing that journey. I can only imagine how devastating that was to hear the news and have the continued disappointment. [00:06:50] Jamila Jackson: Yeah. Laura Dugger: And then even now, you're encouraging us through your story how God didn't waste anything. Jamila Jackson: No. Laura Dugger: He used all your past experience to support this new dream. Just thinking of your dream, it reminds me there's this verse that's very dear to me in regards to The Savvy Sauce podcast. It's in Zechariah 4.10. And the first part says, "Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin." With that scripture in mind, will you tell us a little bit more about your small beginnings and advise others on how we can progress in our own dream? Jamila Jackson: Yeah. He doesn't waste anything. And I think when He initially gave me this idea in my quiet time, a lot of times I feel like I hear from the Holy Spirit. Again, it's not necessarily an audible voice, but there's just this sense or these words that will flow kind of into my mind and into my spirit that I know aren't me. [00:07:51] So in that, initially, it was this idea of boxes of encouragement. And I was kind of like, what is that exactly, Lord? And so I wrote it down. And then I really prayed about it. And in praying about it, I was kind of like, "I don't really know exactly. I think this is what you're telling me, and I'm excited about this new possibility and this idea." It was such a big idea for me that I was excited about it. And at the same time, I was a little bit like, OK, I know this is from God. I know I'm going to do this, but I'm also a little bit scared about how to take that first step. I realized over time that He had given me all the skills that I needed to start this small business slash personal ministry, I always call it, but I hadn't really seen all those pieces before. I have a background in product design and in manufacturing, and I used to give a lot of speeches about trends and things like that. [00:08:50] And then later in my career, I ended up doing a lot of professional development coaching. And all of those things were done in the secular world. But I didn't see how all of those seemingly random, if you look at my resume, different roles and jobs that I had were actually preparing me to do something for His kingdom. When you talk about small beginnings, I think a lot of ladies, they get an idea, and it seems so big. There's a few ladies in my loved and blessed community that have these ideas to start businesses, and they or they want to start something on Etsy, or they want to start a ministry or they want to write a book, and they are so passionate and so talented. And it's like everybody else can see it, but they're still a little bit scared. So what I always tell people is, you know, first of all, as simple as this sounds, write it down, because a lot of times people get all kinds of ideas, and then it's almost like you're scared to write it down because it makes it real. But write it down, and just word vomit onto the page. Just write down everything that you're thinking, everything that you feel like the spirit's giving you, everything that feels that it's got inspired in your mind. [00:09:58] Obviously, you want to pray about it. Pray about it and pray about it often and multiple times, not just once. And then just take one step. That's usually the key to kind of unlocking those small beginnings is like to progress in your dream, you just have to take a bunch of little steps. You don't wake up the next morning, and everything's just kind of done, right? You have to kind of take every little teeny step. Then depending on what it is, try to find somebody either that you already know in your life or maybe reach out to somebody and introduce yourself the way that we can be connected through, you know, technology and social media these days. Introduce yourself. And actually ask people about what they've done and learn from them. Ultimately, the goal in that would really to be defined, I didn't coin this phrase, but your kind of dream defenders. Those people who are going to walk with you and give you honest feedback but also encourage you along the way and, you know, share their wisdom with you. [00:11:03] I think the small beginnings could really even just start with those few steps is just writing it down and praying about it and taking that first step to find somebody to connect with that's going to help you stay on the track of the idea or whatever it is that God's put on your heart, but that's also going to be honest with you along the way to tell you if you get off track or to tell you if an idea that you have is is terrible, which I thankfully have a few dream defenders in my life who've done that for me. Laura Dugger: Well, that is so helpful to hear you lay out that process. And that's really what you followed. So, can you give us a glimpse of what Loved and Blessed is today? Jamila Jackson: Yeah. It was started as a membership and subscription box. So it was…

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    176 Help End Human Trafficking with Nita Belles Mar 21, 2022
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    *Disclaimer: This episode is not intended for little ears* 176. Help End Human Trafficking with Nita Belles Isaiah 61:3 NIV "and provide for those who grieve in Zion—to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair. They will be called oaks of righteousness, a planting of the Lord for the display of his splendor." *Transcription Below* Questions We Discuss: What is human trafficking and how does it work? Is there a certain target age or demographic that makes people more vulnerable to being trafficked? When we are prompted by love, what can the church and community and families and individuals do? Nita Belles is the Founder and President of IN OUR BACKYARD, a national anti-trafficking nonprofit. Her book, In Our Backyard, Human Trafficking in America and What We Can Do To Stop It, is a best-seller and known as the primer on human trafficking in the U.S. Nita has been a leader in anti-trafficking work surrounding Super Bowls since 2010. She founded Freedom Stickers which are in all 50 States, and Convenience Stores Against Trafficking, which partners with over 20,000 convenience stores nationwide. Nita collaborates with top law enforcement, government officials, legislators, the medical community, social service providers, faith communities, and survivors as the key to creating comprehensive, lasting change. Her work has been featured on CNN, Fox Files, Focus on the Family, USA Today, BBC and others. Nita is known for her compassionate heart, as a friend to survivors, a team player and for finding solutions when there is seemingly no solution. She believes laughter is a necessary component in this work yet is driven to compassionately annihilate human trafficking and change the culture which allows this atrocity to flourish. Nita is a force in the movement who specializes in linking arms with other organizations in a collaborative effort to find lasting solutions. Connect with Nita Belles' Non-Profit, In Our Backyard: Website, Twitter, Instagram @inourbackyard, or through Facebook At The Savvy Sauce, we will only recommend resources we believe in! We also want you to be aware: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. In Our Backyard, Human Trafficking in America and What We Can Do To Stop It Other episode mentioned: Overcoming Evil With Good: Recognizing Spiritual Abuse with Dr. Diane Langberg Thank You to Our Sponsor: Sam Leman Eureka Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” *Transcription* [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Today's episode includes some thematic material. I want you to be aware before you listen in the presence of little ears. The principles of honesty and integrity that Sam Leman founded his business on continued today over 55 years later at Sam Leman Chevrolet Buick in Eureka. Owned and operated by the Bertschi family, Sam Leman in Eureka appreciates the support they've received from their customers all over Central Illinois and beyond. Visit them today at LemanGM.com. Nita Bells is my guest today. She is a speaker and a leading national expert in the anti-human trafficking movement. Her book is entitled, In Our Backyard: Human Trafficking in America and What We Can Do to Stop It. She's going to educate us today on how to be wise, aware, discerning, and loving in our approach to human trafficking. [00:01:21] Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Nita. Nita Belles: Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it, Laura. Good to be here. Laura Dugger: Well, will you just start by telling us a bit about yourself and how you ended up doing this work? Nita Belles: I am a recovering workaholic and God told me I needed to quit working for a period of time and started working on my degree, my master's degree in theology. And it was during that time that I encountered the reality of human trafficking and that got to my heart and I just said, "God, I have to do something. What do you want me to do?" That was 2006. When I asked God that question, I didn't know what I thought God would want me to do, but I certainly didn't want to do what God asked me to do, which was to write a book because I never considered myself a writer. I was never one of those people that wanted to write a book. [00:02:23] But in 2006 there was nothing written on human trafficking in the United States. And so that's what I set out to do. I published the book twice. The first one was self-published in 2011 and then it was picked up by Baker Books and that was published in 2015. Laura Dugger: Wow. You are an expert in this area, and I just love for you to educate us. What is the definition of human trafficking and sexual exploitation? Nita Belles: Well, there are two types of human trafficking. Actually, human trafficking itself wasn't a crime in itself before the year 2000 in the United States. They prosecuted under other crimes, the Mann Act, indentured servitude, forced prostitution, those kinds of crimes. But in 2000 it became an actual crime and defined as human trafficking, the Trafficking Victims Protection Act. [00:03:26] So there are two types of human trafficking basically. Sex trafficking, which is a commercial sex act induced by force, fraud, or coercion in which the person performing the act or in which the person performing the act is under 18. So a commercial sex act is a sex act in which something of value is exchanged for that sex act. So that's sex trafficking. Labor trafficking is another whole type of trafficking which we don't hear a lot about, we should hear more about. Labor trafficking is using force, fraud, or coercion to recruit, harbor, transport, obtain, or employ a person for labor or services in involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. And those are right out of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act. Laura Dugger: So how does this work? Specifically with sex trafficking, what tactics do predators use to entice people that they plan to exploit? [00:04:33] Nita Belles: You know, people kind of talk a lot about kidnapping, and that is hardly ever the case. What happens is the traffickers woo their victims by developing a relationship, and once they get the trust in that relationship, then they begin to control. It's almost identical to domestic violence, where there's the power and control cycle. If you lay domestic violence and human trafficking psychologically side by side, they are almost identical until you get to the motivation. The motivation for domestic violence is that the perpetrator perceives that they love the victim and they don't want to lose them. In human trafficking, it is the perpetrator wants to make money off of the victim, period. And so that's why it's so much more brutal.[00:05:38] Laura Dugger: I'm wondering now, how do these predators capitalize on social media? Nita Belles: Oh, good question. Great question, Laura. That is a huge place that predators recruit victims. They go in, they watch someone's profile, they watch until there's a vulnerability, they develop a relationship with that person on social media, and then they swoop in. But it's not just social media. It's at parties, it's through other friends. There's a whole recruiting process that happens within the... A trafficker has a unit of people that he traffics. And I'm going to say “he”, there are some female traffickers. But within that unit, there's a whole system of recruiting that that has to happen. So they're recruiting in malls, they're recruiting... really anywhere they go they're looking for new recruits. [00:06:41] Laura Dugger: Wow. It sounds like it even starts through relationship and then maybe that gives them an opportunity to use some psychological manipulation tactics. Is that right? Nita Belles: You're exactly right, Laura. It starts primarily through relationship. And that relationship, oftentimes, when it's a trafficking situation is formed with the intent always of making that person a victim. So they have no investment in the truth from the very beginning of that relationship. The whole point of that relationship is to traffic that person. Laura Dugger: Wow. I'm thinking of the fellow parents listening as well. We have four young daughters. That's not the only reason this topic is important to me. But even for parents to recognize, is there a certain target age or demographic that makes people more vulnerable to being trafficked? [00:07:40] Nita Belles: You know, there really isn't. Traffickers just look for a vulnerability. So that vulnerability is maybe that there's a homeless child on the streets. The average age of entry for human trafficking, sex trafficking, is 12 to 14 for girls and 11 to 13 for boys. So there are a lot of children that age who are trafficked. But in some areas, like in our area, I don't think that that is the average age. I've seen children as young as that being trafficked but I don't think that's the average age in our area. I think it's older. But basically, whether the person is eight years old, or they are, you know, 25 years old, what the trafficker looks for is a vulnerability. Does that person need food? Do they need shelter? Is it somebody from a loving Christian home, but they somehow have been made to feel unloved, either by outside influence or, you know, whatever. Families all have what I like to call stuff. You know, we've all got it, and none of us are perfect. [00:09:08] So they just look for that vulnerability, that need. The trafficker watches for that. And then when they see the need, they let them know they can fulfill the need. And that is what hooks in the victim to become a victim, the trafficker fulfilling that need and making the victim feel like they are the most important person in the world to them. Laura Dugger: So what I hear you saying is that nobody's exempt from this coming in contact with someone they know, or love. You've elaborated a little bit where they may recruit people, but where is this trafficking taking place? Nita Belles: It is taking place everywhere. It's in cities. It's in rural areas. It's in churches. It's in schools. It's really everywhere. There's no place that's really exempt. [00:10:08] I've heard over the years, a lot of people say, Well, I'm sure it's not taking place in our town. Well, do you have internet? If you do, it probably is. So yeah, it takes place everywhere. Laura Dugger: This is an odd question, but I've always been curious. There's this building in our area that's in a commercial spot where a lot of restaurants are. And there's this building that says massage, and it has a picture of a panda bear there. And there aren't any windows, but it's always flashing the open sign late at night when we've been out to dinner before. And I've just always been curious, would that be something that is a red flag? Nita Belles: Yes, that would be a red flag. You know, indicators like that, and you're wise, Laura, in being observant for that. A lot of people don't think about it. So good for you for thinking about it. You've obviously taken the time to educate yourself and learn a little about human trafficking. [00:11:13] So you have the ability to recognize red flags when you see them. So yes, absolutely. Laura Dugger: Well, I appreciate that encouragement, Nita. But I would love to take this a step further. So in a situation like this, when I just have this gut feeling, or something seems off, or we are educated on this topic, how do we notify someone? Who do we call to mention that we wonder if trafficking is occurring? Great question. Nita Belles: That is the National Human Trafficking Hotline. It's (888) 373-7888. That number is staffed by trained individuals 24-7. You tell them what you see, why you think it is, get as many specific facts as you can, the address, people you see coming and going. If it's like a car out and you say, I think I saw a trafficking activity around that car, get the license plate, a description of who's driving, all of those information that you can get. But even if you don…

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    175 Practicing Sabbath with Shireen Eldridge Mar 14, 2022
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    175. Practicing Sabbath with Shireen Eldridge “Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest,” Hebrews 4:11a (NIV) *Transcription Below* Questions We Discuss: Will you both define Sabbath and also give the biblical background for it? What sets us up for frustration especially as moms when we think of Sabbath? What conversations can we begin to have with our family to prepare for this day of rest, worship, and delight? Shireen Eldridge is the Associate Women’s Pastor at Lifegate Church in Omaha NE. She is a mom of 4 school-age kids and married to the Associate Lead Pastor whom she has ministered alongside with since they were married 17yrs ago. She loves sharing about living life in Jesus whether by teaching to many or a one-on-one chat over tea! Connect with Shireen on Facebook or Instagram. Thank You to Our Sponsor: Leman Property Management Company Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” *Transcription* [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Leman Property Management Company has the apartment you will be able to call home, with over 1,700 apartment units available in Central Illinois. Visit them today at Lemanproperties.com or connect with them on Facebook. What is Sabbath? What does the Bible have to say about it, both in the Old and New Testament? As busy parents, what does this actually look like in modern times? If you've ever thought about any of those questions before, you're going to love what my guest, Shireen Eldridge, has to share on today's topic. She's going to explain how the Sabbath is both a gift and a guardrail for us, and ultimately, a practice worth implementing into our lives to stay connected to God. Here's our chat. Welcome to the Savvy Sauce, Shireen. [00:01:18] Shireen Eldridge: Hi! So excited to be here! Laura Dugger: Well, I can't wait for this chat. But just to get started, will you tell us a bit more about yourself and your story? Shireen Eldridge: Yeah, I'd love to. So I am in Omaha, Nebraska. We are originally from Georgia. That's where I grew up. My husband and I met at the University of Georgia. We both felt called into ministry, and we worked on campus for a couple years there. And then God just started kind of moving things in our hearts. I ended up going to nursing school and then had a baby, and then God called us out of campus ministry there and moved us to Omaha, Nebraska. God called us to a great church here. We've done young adult ministry here. We really only thought we were going to be here for like a couple years, right, and then something else would move on. But He kept us here, and things just kind of evolved, and He opened more doors. [00:02:20] We did campus ministry for a while, had more kids, lots of kids. I was a stay-at-home mom during that whole season with four kids and back-to-back. Then my husband stepped into being a campus pastor, and now he is on track to become the new lead pastor in a couple years. I am on staff now, funny enough. After thinking I was going to go back into nursing after having all my kids, God opened the door for me to be on staff at our church, and I love it. We love doing ministry together. That has always been our heart. My kids are a little more grown up now. I'm not in little kid phase, which is weird because I felt like I was in it for so long. They are fourteen, twelve, ten, and eight. That's where we are. We love doing ministry together and even as a family. We're just doing that church life here in Omaha. [00:03:19] Laura Dugger: Well, and Sabbath has been a big part of your life in recent years. So will you both define Sabbath and also give the biblical background for it? Shireen Eldridge: Yes, yes. That is something that we honestly discovered a little too late in life and really, I thought it wasn't something that could be done with kids or family. I quickly discovered it is a beautiful gift for all of us. So, yes, I love to talk about Sabbath. The word Sabbath (Shabbat) actually means to stop, to cease, to completely stop everything you're doing in your life for a full 24-hour period. That was God's design. In Exodus 20, you can read through the commandments, and it is actually the hinge commandment. Many scholars believe it's right there in the middle because it connects the first few, which are pointed more towards God, our relationship with God. [00:04:20] And then is the commandment of Sabbath. And then right after Sabbath, it's all these other commandments that are about our relationship with others. So I love to think of it as a picture of a hinge on the cross, right? Right in between the two, our relationship with God, this vertical relationship with God, and then this outward, outstretched relationship with others. Sabbath is what helps us with both. That's why people call it this hinge commandment. So if you go to the Ten Commandments and you read through it, one of the words you'll see is "remember". God says that a lot, actually, when he's talking about Sabbath in Exodus and reminding the Israelites about Sabbath. He uses that word a lot. Remember the Sabbath. Remember to keep the Sabbath. I think that word has kind of a twofold meaning. First, if you know the story of the Israelites, they had just come out of 400 years of slavery. [00:05:23] All they knew through their whole life was work for generations. And He knew that they would be prone to forget, they would be prone to going back to that type of lifestyle. Because it was natural, it was what they knew, it actually became comfortable for them. And He had to say, remember, remember to keep the Sabbath. This is so important. Don't forget because you will be prone to forget. I think that's still an important word for us today. Remember the Sabbath because we can also be prone to forget. We can also be pulled into the ways of our world and our culture. Then the other thing is that word is a nod back to creation. Remember. Remember what I did early on, back in the beginning. Remember that story. And I love it because then it sends you back to the creation story in Genesis 2, where God just spent this whole seven days creating this beautiful earth. [00:06:28] And then at the very end, He creates man and woman and their first day on earth with God, walking in the garden, enjoying creation, was Sabbath. Their first day on earth was a day of rest, of stopping, of enjoying. They walked through this new creation with God. And God just got to point out, like, look at this. And they're going, wow, you made that? What is that? That's amazing. You know? And I just picture it as, wow, what an amazing way to start a life. I think the other really great place to go after you look at it in the Old Testament is we always want to go and say, what does Jesus have to say? Because He came to fulfill everything. And He's got something to say about Sabbath. And I love what Jesus says. When He's talking to the Pharisees, He reminds them man was not made for Sabbath. Sabbath was made for man. [00:07:31] Sabbath is a gift to us. We were not created to keep Sabbath. Like, it wasn't actually a law that we had to keep to earn salvation, to earn God's love. No, it is a gift that God gave to us. It's actually more of a freedom commandment when we look at it that way. And I think Jesus was trying to kind of change our thinking in that. Those are great places for people to start. That's just like a drop in the bucket. And maybe people will want to go back and reread those and kind of dive more into those. But that's where I have always started and what has really stuck with me when I dive into understanding this scripturally. Laura Dugger: Well, like you said, you're a mother of four and you're active in ministry. So I'm assuming that a lot of parents can relate to that. But when you think back, Shireen, when and why did you begin getting intentional about practicing Sabbath? [00:08:35] Shireen Eldridge: I had heard people talk about it a little bit growing up. It wasn't something that I had heard many people talk about. And you hear the word rest. Because of culture, I had learned that, you know, you have to earn it. You have to get to the end. And I'm naturally kind of a striver and I lean more towards just wanting to get the things done first and then I can relax. Especially, I think, as a mom, right, when you have all these people and you have to provide for all them, it's natural that we think, Okay, I have to get all this done, then I can put my feet up. When actually, you know, when I started learning about it and thankfully even coming here to this church that we're at, there is a culture of rest that we learned from. The harder part is actually practicing it, right? It's one thing to put it into your mind and to learn about it. It's another thing to actually start doing it. And it is a hard practice sometimes to put in place because you have to make adjustments for it. [00:09:35] I think for us, the why, like the reason we finally gave in is we realized we needed it. We realized in our hearts, in our spirits, in our bodies, with four kids doing ministry, doing the work we were doing, we absolutely needed it and we were going to run ourselves into the ground if we didn't make effort to practice Sabbath. So about seven years ago, a little bit before that, we were talking about, we were reading about... my husband actually was like, "I really think we need this." I think because we knew that it was something, a gift God had for us. And eventually as we grew into it, because we keep saying it, it's a practice, that we knew it was something the longer we gave time for it, took time to learn and grow in it, that we would get better at it. Laura Dugger: Well, and if I'm doing the math correctly, that means that you were starting approximately the time that your kids were seven, five, three, and one. [00:10:34] And then you've got these next seven years of experience. Just thinking of that from the lens of a mother, what sets us up for frustration, especially as moms, when we think of Sabbath? Shireen Eldridge: I think one of the things is, I think we think a lot of times it's just about us and getting a break. I know I did. That was my first thought is like, you mean I get a break? Oh, yes, I'm in. And then I quickly realized with a baby still and changing diapers and still need to feed people, it's not a full break the way I wanted. I wanted like a sit by the pool break. I don't know what I was thinking. That is not what Sabbath is. And to remember that it isn't just about us. When you are a mom, when you're married, even before kids, when you're a roommate, but especially when you are a wife and mom and have children, you have to remember you're practicing Sabbath with other people. [00:11:34] It's different if one person is just starting out on their own. Like if you're single and you live alone, you know, it's easy to kind of be intentional and really structured with your Sabbath. When you are someone who lives at home with five other people, you have to start by thinking differently. This isn't just about you and getting a break. It's more than that. When you understand the biblical understanding of Sabbath and understand that it's rest in Jesus, it's realigning your heart and your thoughts and your mind and your body and your emotions towards him. It becomes more than just I need a break. I think once we change our thinking on what it is, it helps for moms and their expectations. Right? We can set up our expectations and then we'll just get crushed or we can have realistic and really reframe our expectations for what this is. And that can help us. [00:12:31] I think also as a mom, I know for me, especially if you're a stay-at-home mom, but even moms who work outside the home, you come home and it's like, oh, I still have to work. Like this is still my job, taking care of these kids and cooking and cleaning and all these things. And sometimes what I had noticed for myself is I had seen my kids as a distraction to the things I needed to get done during my day. I needed to get laundry done. I needed to clean my house. I needed to prep for groceries and cook dinner and do all these things. And sometimes my kids were like a little bit of a distraction. And what I think we have to do is reframe that and say, wait a second. The actual distractions are these things we do, like the laundry and…

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