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    The Savvy Sauce

    Do you want ideas for questions to deepen your conversations? Do you want to feel intimately connected to your spouse? Do you desire to parent with purpose? If so, tune in each Monday with Laura, a licensed marriage and family therapist who specialized in Christian sex therapy. She interviews the best faith-based speakers to answer our questions and doesn’t shy away from a wide range of difficult topics. Sexual intimacy is discussed once a month so that you can delight in your marital relationship, feel equipped to teach your children about sex, and learn practical ways to overcome hurt or addiction. Episodes on health and wellness cover topics of hormones and free lifestyle swaps, perimenopause, and what simple practices yield HUGE health benefits. Marital experts teach conflict resolution that actually works, parenting pros share wisdom from newborns to adult children, business leaders let us in on secrets of the trade, and the foundation of everything is Jesus Christ!  Find joy here and live on purpose as you consider, “What’s your savvy sauce?!”

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    217 Tween/Teen Females: How to Navigate Changes during Puberty with Dr. Jennifer Degler Dec 04, 2023
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes adult content and is not intended for young ears. 217. Tween/Teen Females: How to Navigate Changes during Puberty with Dr. Jennifer Degler **Transcription Below** Psalm 142:1+2 (NIV) "I cry aloud to the Lord; I lift up my voice to the Lord for mercy. I pour out before him my complaint; before him I tell my trouble." Questions and Topics We Discuss: Emotionally, what changes can we expect from our daughters as they go through puberty, both what we may notice externally and what they are experiencing internally? It seems like these years can be full of ups and downs, but how can we identify when it is more severe and we need to seek outside help? What do you notice parents and daughters struggling with most during this time? Dr. Jennifer Degler is a Psychologist, life coach, author, and speaker. She is known for her frank, funny, energetic seminars which weave together practical information and Scripture with real life examples from her clinical practice and her own marriage and family. She loves audience involvement and keeping a group on their toes, meaning no one gets sleepy during her talks, and everyone goes home with apply-it-now tools for successful living, satisfying relationships, and improved emotional health. Audiences say she could’ve been a standup comedian, but Dr. Jennifer prefers helping people through her central Kentucky counseling practice and writing books like No More Christian Nice Girl and the Deck of Dares: 40 Dares to Make Your Marriage Sizzle. Her fabulous adult children, Josie and Jake, delight in telling their friends that their mom runs a sex shop when, in reality, she founded CWIVES.com, a ministry to help Christian wives make their sex lives sizzle. When she’s not podcasting and blogging about emotional wellness, relationships, sex, and spiritual growth on the JenniferDegler.com website, you can find her teaching a women’s Sunday School class, kayaking, and enjoying her empty nest with her high school sweetheart husband, Jeff. Fan the Flame Dare of the Month Dr. Jennifer Degler's Previous Episode on The Savvy Sauce: Episode 186 Sex Series: Enhancing Female Pleasure and Enjoyment of Sex: An Interview with Dr. Jennifer Degler Other Recommended Episodes: Episode 182: Things I Wish I'd Known Before My Child Became a Teenager with Dr. Gary Chapman 200 Planting Seeds of Faith in Our Children with Courtney DeFeo Thank You to Our Sponsor: Sam Leman Eureka Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: The principles of honesty and integrity that Sam Leman founded his business on continue today, over 55 years later, at Sam Leman Chevrolet Eureka. Owned and operated by the Bertschi Family, Sam Leman in Eureka appreciates the support they've received from their customers all over central Illinois and beyond. Visit them today at LemanGM.com. Today's message is not intended for little ears. We'll be discussing some adult themes, and I want you to be aware before you listen to this message. Dr. Jennifer Degler has been a popular guest previously on The Savvy Sauce when we discussed how to enhance females' pleasure and enjoyment of sex. Today, we're shifting to discuss a much different age group, tween and teen girls, and what to expect as their bodies change and they enter puberty. [00:01:19] This is an incredibly helpful conversation for both parents of daughters in this age group, as well as for the daughter herself. It's a gift to gain self-awareness and understand what changes are taking place in their bodies and their minds. So I hope people of all ages get to listen to this episode and glean wisdom from Dr. Jennifer Degler. Here's our chat. Welcome back to The Savvy Sauce, Dr. Degler. Dr. Jennifer Degler: Thank you so much, Laura. I just love your podcast, and I'm excited to be able to share with your listeners again. Laura Dugger: Well, I have to say that your previous episode was truly one of my all-time favorites, so it's such a joy to get to have you back today. For anyone who missed our previous chat, will you just share a bit about who you are and what kind of work you get to do? Dr. Jennifer Degler: Sure. I am a clinical psychologist. I am in Kentucky, and I have a private practice here. I see a lot of individuals and couples. [00:02:23] I also have a ministry called CWIVES, which stands for Christian Wives Initiating, Valuing, and Enjoying Sex. I'm kind of known as the sex lady. I speak on sex and have a website to help Christian wives help make their sex lives sizzle. We offer the dare of the month to help them initiate creative sexual encounters, just have lots of fun resources that are safe for Christian couples to access to help in that area. Then I also do a lot of trauma recovery work and speaking on anxiety and sort of a variety of things that I do. I'm a wife and a mother of two grown children. My son just got married last weekend, so we've launched them both, and just enjoying empty nest life with my husband. Laura Dugger: Wow. Congratulations on a wedding in the family. Dr. Jennifer Degler: Thank you. They are someone else's responsibility now, which is really fun. [00:03:22] Laura Dugger: Oh, I love it. And you are so gifted with the work that you do. So I'll make sure that we include a link in our show notes that can direct us back to that original episode when we did address married women. But today we're actually going to discuss a much different age group. And I want to hear your insight on teen and tween girls. So as a clinician and as a mom, what is a broad overview that we can expect if we have a daughter this age? Dr. Jennifer Degler: Some of the best times of your life and some of the most challenging times of your life as you raise a girl. Overall, I think what many parents experience when they're raising a girl is that those elementary age years, particularly 6 to 10 years of age, we call those the golden years. Girls are oftentimes just really a delight. They want to be with you. They think you're the most amazing adults in the world. They want to please. It's a really fun time. [00:04:29] Then about two years before your daughter starts her period, there are changes happening hormonally in her body. And so oftentimes the average age of beginning menstruation, menarche is the technical term for that, is around age 12 in America. When girls are around 10, which is typically somewhere around fourth grade into fifth grade, you begin to see a shift and she may become more emotional, more moody. You just notice, Okay, this child isn't quite as delightful as she used to be. Even while her personality is continuing to develop, you may see just more emotional changes and more conflict can begin. Then as they begin their period somewhere around 12 and then go into middle school and into high school, oftentimes for daughters and mothers, that can be some of the rockiest times because you have two women, both of whom are still riding that roller coaster of hormones. [00:05:37] Your daughter is trying to figure out who she is as a person while also still wanting to stay connected to you. So it's a time where we as moms need to be really strong in who we are as people, because you'll tend to get a lot more pushback and just sometimes negative feedback about yourself from your daughter during that time period. It can be quite a shock, Laura, to go from being just adored to where they want to be with you all the time, to where to them you're the most embarrassing person in the world. And watching her body develop, watching her deal with body image issues, perhaps can stir up things inside of you as a woman if you also have body image issues. And so it can be quite a roller coaster. Laura Dugger: I think that's a great description. As our tween or teen daughters age and they're going through what you've explained about their hormones changing and fluctuating, are there any other symptoms or effects that we might see as a result? [00:06:48] Dr. Jennifer Degler: Girls follow steps of physical development that can kind of let you know, Okay, here's what's going on inside them. The pattern is as they're approaching puberty, the first thing you see in girls is breast buds. So instead of having that completely basically flat chest, they begin to get those little breast buds. Then next is the appearance of pubic hair, followed by a big growth spurt, then armpit hair, and then their first period. So breast bud development happens earlier. It can happen as early as eight years old. Usually, it's around 10 years old, so typically around fourth grade. It's important that we tell girls during this time period, you know, it's normal for one breast to be smaller than the other as they develop, because sometimes girls will see a difference and they'll think, Oh, my gosh, I've got breast cancer or something like that. [00:07:51] It's just going ahead and letting your girl know that. Pubic hair typically is happening around age 11, but it can happen as young as eight. Then there's this growth spurt that typically starts around age 10, typically peaks at around age 11. And that's when you're just noticing, oh, my goodness, her shoes don't fit, her shorts don't fit anymore, shirts are too tight. The armpit hair, typically that's happening in the 12th year. Armpit hair is the best indicator that your daughter is about to start her period. Usually, that first period will occur within three to six months if she hasn't already started her period. Sometimes they start their period and then they get armpit hair. But typically, once you see that, you know, Okay, the menarche is coming. Typically, as I said, menarche is most commonly happens during the 12th year. It can happen as early as eight. It can happen much later into the teens for girls as well. A hundred years ago, the average age was around 17. [00:09:01] It just has gradually as nutrition has gotten better, as there's more hormones in what we eat. Unfortunately, it has started earlier and earlier. But that breast buds, pubic hair, big growth spurt, armpit hair, first period, those are the things to be looking for in between, girl. Laura Dugger: That is so helpful to have this timeline even to share with our daughters if they're listening to this episode alongside us, just to kind of know what to expect. But also, I'm curious, is there anything you're aware of where the daughter is likely to start around the same age that her mother experienced her first menstrual cycle? Dr. Jennifer Degler: Yes, Laura, you're absolutely correct. The age you were at the time you started your period is really a great predictor of about when your daughter may start as well. [00:09:59] And kind of knowing that, like in your family, about what age did your sisters, your mother, your aunt start their period? It's also interesting to know that from your husband's genetics are contributing there, too. Like with his family, were they around 12 or were they early or were they late? And then just kind of knowing, Okay, it's kind of a kind of a combination of those two things. Sort of like birth weight. You can take your husband's birth weight and your birth weight, assuming we're both full-term babies, and average them and you kind of get a pretty good idea how much your babies are going to weigh. So that's why it's important that we're not just talking about this sort of thing with our girls, but also with our moms. Like we need this family information so that this becomes something that the women and our family just talk about. We just share this type of information rather than thinking it's something that we need to keep hidden or that we're ashamed of. [00:10:58] Laura Dugger: I love that point. Because even beginning these conversations early, I'm assuming this would also help set them up well to have ongoing conversations about anything related to sex. Dr. Jennifer Degler: Exactly. You know, hopefully the conversations that we're having about our bodies, we start those from when they're old enough to even understand language. So even when we're changing their diapers and when we're helping them potty train, we're using the correct names for their body parts. One thin…

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    Special Patreon Re-Release: Personal Stories of God’s Provision with Hope Ware Nov 20, 2023
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    Special Patreon Re-Release: Personal Stories of God's Provision with Hope Ware

    “Then Samuel took a stone and set it up between Mizpah and Shen and called its name Ebenezer, for he said, “Till now the Lord has helped us.” -1 Samuel 7:12

    Hope Ware is a writer and public speaker. She blogs at underthemedian.com, dispensing tips and strategies for cutting expenses, raising children on a shoestring budget, and (most importantly) living with a spirit of joy and abundance. Hope believes that telling our stories of God's provision is one of the most powerful ways to pass faith and financial principles to the next generation.

    Hope worked in Christian radio, writing and producing programs and commercials. As a private freelancer, she has provided vocal talent for a wide variety of projects, including voiceovers for prestigious companies like Pioneer Hybrid International and the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. She has written guest posts for Money Saving Mom (Crystal Paine), and Change Your Finances.

    She is a frequent and popular speaker at the APACHE Homeschooling convention, held yearly in Peoria, enjoys teaching in the high school department at Peoria Cooperative Academy, and is a second soprano and featured soloist for the highly acclaimed Heritage Ensemble.

    She has a degree in radio and television broadcasting.

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    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    216 Enriching Sexual Function, Part Two with Dr. Kris Christiansen Nov 13, 2023
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes adult content and is not intended for young ears. 216. Enriching Sexual Function, Part Two with Dr. Kris Christiansen **Transcription Below** 1 Corinthians 6:12 (NIV) “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. Questions and Topics We Discuss: What are a few benefits of orgasm? What is the treatment plan for clients who have never experienced an orgasm? What is Perimenopause? Dr. Kris Christiansen is a board-certified family physician who specializes in sexual medicine. She attended medical school and completed her residency in family medicine at the University of Minnesota. She practiced full spectrum family medicine for 10 years and then pursued additional training to specialize in sexual medicine. She works as a sexual medicine specialist at two different clinics in the twin cities. Her clinical interests include both male and female sexual dysfunction, and she loves working with individuals and couples to restore an important part of life. Dr. Christiansen is involved with teaching medical students and residents at the University of Minnesota Medical School, and she has presented at multiple local, national, and international medical conferences. She is involved with the International Society for the Study of Women’s Sexual Health (ISSWSH) and serves on committees, collaborates with other experts to publish articles for medical journals, and edits informational articles for the society’s new patient facing website. She is passionate about teaching patients, students, and colleagues about the importance of sexual health and well-being. In her free time, she started her own business called Intimate Focus which provides information and quality products to enhance and restore sexual health and wellness. She also enjoys shopping, hiking, and spending time with her family. Dr. Kris Christiansen's Website North American Menopause Society Women's Sexual Health Information ISSWSH Website Thank You to Our Sponsor: Midwest Food Bank Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Today's message is not intended for little ears. We'll be discussing some adult themes, and I want you to be aware before you listen to this message. Thank you to an anonymous donor to Midwest Food Bank who paid the sponsorship fee in hopes of spreading awareness. Learn more about this amazing nonprofit organization at MidwestFoodBank.org. This week we are continuing part two of an interview with a sexual medicine expert, Dr. Kris Christiansen. Don't miss last week's conversation about hormones and the real story behind hormone therapy. And now today, we're going to discuss common dysfunctions that motivate people to seek treatment. She's going to teach us what to expect and how to work with our bodies to make the most of perimenopause and menopause. [00:01:20] Here's our chat. Welcome back to The Savvy Sauce, Dr. Christiansen. Dr. Kris Christiansen: Well, thank you, Laura. It's great to be back. We had so much fun last week and looking forward to our conversation this week. Laura Dugger: We really did have a great time. I hope anyone listening today makes sure that they go back and listen to last week's episode first because you laid so much groundwork and we covered a lot of topics. But let's just continue the conversation today. You've worked with men who have low testosterone and women who have low sexual desire. So what have you learned about these specific topics over the years? Dr. Kris Christiansen: Well, as we mentioned last week, men with low testosterone often have several symptoms like fatigue, low sex drive, trouble with erections and orgasm, irritability, and depressed mood. [00:02:20] It can affect cognition, too. So sometimes they're just not thinking quite as clearly. They may even have hot flashes, night sweats, and sleep problems just like women in menopause. You may have heard the term andropause, pausing with those androgens, and it's very similar to what women experience. Along with feeling crummy, many studies indicate that men with low testosterone have an increased risk of heart disease, strokes, diabetes, and osteoporosis. And treating men who have low testosterone often makes them feel better, but it doesn't work for everyone. So it's not the fountain of youth like people hope for, and it's definitely not without risks. There are side effects such as oily skin, acne, hair loss on the top of their head, which they don't like, and hair gain elsewhere. It can also cause increased breast size or man boobs because indirectly it increases their estrogen levels. [00:03:24] Testosterone treatment can decrease testicle size, decrease sperm count, and increases the risk of infertility. So young men who want to have children should not use testosterone. There are other treatments, just not testosterone itself because of the risk of infertility. There's also a risk of potentially blood clots and cardiovascular events in older men. Testosterone doesn't cause prostate cancer, just like estrogen doesn't cause breast cancer. But it often increases the PSA, that's the prostate cancer blood screening test. Unfortunately, prostate cancer is relatively common, like 1 in 8 men. So we have to monitor men more closely for prostate cancer when they take it. Not because the testosterone causes it, but we just need to watch it because potentially the cancer could grow faster if it's there and if they're using testosterone. [00:04:25] Besides, feeling crabby and fatigued and having sexual problems may not be due to low testosterone. These are fairly common issues and they can certainly be attributed to other problems, like pressures of work, work stress, pressures of life, and relationship issues. So just because they may be having some of these general symptoms doesn't automatically mean that they're a candidate for testosterone treatment. As for women, I see women all the time in my clinic who come in with low desire. I kind of have to play detective to see what could be the underlying problem to their low libido. We talk about a biopsychosocial model when it comes to sexual function and dysfunction. So we have to ask about all these different aspects of the biopsychosocial model. For example, the bio aspect refers to the biological and physical components, like hormones, pain, medications, side effects, and chronic medical problems. [00:05:28] Pain is often a common factor in low desire. And it's not uncommon for my patients to have always had pain with sexual activity, intercourse, or penetration, so she thinks this is normal for her. But pain is not normal. It's never normal. And who would want to have sex if it hurts? So we have to figure out what's causing the pain and fix that before we can help the libido. And sometimes that's all we have to do. Fatigue is also a very common factor. So if you're working and you're working 40 hours a week, you come home, you have to make dinner, you clean up and put the kids to bed, then you just don't have any energy left over for sex. And for stay-at-home moms who have the most important job in the world, they don't get lunch breaks, days off, or break from the daily routine, so it's ongoing. Sometimes they just need a little help or a little break and reserve a little time and energy for sex because it's often not there. [00:06:32] Women usually don't have sex at the forefront of their brains, our brains. Our brains are not bathed in testosterone like men's are. So we're not thinking about sex all the time like guys often are. Not always because sometimes women have higher libido than their husbands. But we divide desire into two different kinds. There's spontaneous desire and responsive desire. Spontaneous desire is when we're thinking about sex, want to engage in intimate time with our partner and initiate the encounter. However, more often, women are not the initiators. A common scenario is for desire to happen after sexual intimacy has begun. And we refer to this as responsive desire. So once you're engaged in that intimate time and you can relax and it feels good and say, "Oh, I wish we would do this more often." But then that more often doesn't happen. [00:07:34] So when we're young and the relationship is new and exciting and sex is exciting, we look forward to it and we initiate it. As the relationship matures, sex is still a wonderful way to connect with our spouse. But we're not thinking about it all the time like we did when things were new and fresh. So as that relationship matures and as we mature, that's when responsive desire comes into play. And it is a completely normal response. For example, when dinner's done, dishes are put away, kids are in bed, and your husband starts to rub your back, and then you think, "Okay, this is nice." And the back rub turns to more intimate activity. And that's when your desire kicks in. And that is a totally normal response. So even if you don't have desire at the get-go, if it comes along, then it's okay. So it's also important to know that all back rubs don't have to lead to sex. Some women, they're afraid to hug or they're afraid to be touched because they think that touch is going to lead to sex. So we need to know that non-sexual touch is very nice. And it's okay to stop there. Just because you get a back rub doesn't mean that it has to proceed to that next step. [00:08:52] You can just enjoy that touch for what it is. Laura Dugger: That's really helpful because if you say that many women do experience low sexual desire, you're not saying that if you don't have spontaneous desire that would be low sexual desire. That would more so be diagnosed if you are even into the act of sexual intimacy and into those arousing touches, but you're still not experiencing desire. Is that right? Dr. Kris Christiansen: That's right. There's a diagnosis called hypoactive sexual desire disorder. It's common in women for sure, and it also happens in men too. But hypoactive sexual desire is low desire that causes personal distress, and that distress can be exhibited as frustration, grief, loss, sadness, sorrow, and has a negative impact on the relationship. [00:09:56] So if we have low desire but it's not causing any problems, it's not an issue. Not everything has to be treated. It's when the low desire is actually causing problems within that person, the personal distress or within the relationship, that's something that we need to address. So if we don't have the spontaneous desire where it's at the forefront of our brain, yet the responsive desire is happening and both parties know that and it's okay, it's not an issue. But if it's causing an issue, then we can look into it, see what's contributing to it, and try to help. Laura Dugger: And if this is the most common sexual dysfunction in women, then how can women identify if they are experiencing this? Dr. Kris Christiansen: Well, you may have hypoactive sexual desire disorder if you just don't think about sex, don't desire it, and don't enjoy it once engaged in sexual activity. [00:11:02] There was a big study published years ago, 2009. They looked at 31,000 women. So big study. They found that 44% of women have some sort of sexual problem in their lives. 44%, it's almost half of us. But we only call it a disorder or a problem if it causes distress. So if we take distress into account, then the prevalence is more like 12%. When it comes to low desire, depending on the study that you read, anywhere from 30% to 50% of women will experience low desire at some point in their life. But it's only an issue if it's causing distress, and that happens in about 10%. Sexual desire decreases as we get older. Not for everybody. Like I said, I got women in their 80s coming in. And we know that sexual problems are most common in the middle years, like 45 to 64. So if you have low desire, it's causing problems, and you want help, know that there is help out there for you. [00:12:12] There are subtypes of HSDD. We talk about situational versus generalized. With situational HSDD, this implies that certain factors are affecting the low libido, such as relationship…

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    215 Enriching Sexual Function, Part One with Dr. Kris Christiansen Nov 06, 2023
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes adult content and is not intended for young ears. **Transcription Below** 215. Enriching Sexual Function, Part One with Dr. Kris Christiansen Hosea 4:6a (KJV) "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge," Questions and Topics We Discuss: What type of sexual dysfunctions are common for your clients to experience? What all can you teach us about hormones? Will you educate us on hormone therapy? Dr. Kris Christiansen is a board-certified family physician who specializes in sexual medicine. She attended medical school and completed her residency in family medicine at the University of Minnesota. She practiced full spectrum family medicine for 10 years and then pursued additional training to specialize in sexual medicine. She works as a sexual medicine specialist at two different clinics in the twin cities. Her clinical interests include both male and female sexual dysfunction, and she loves working with individuals and couples to restore an important part of life. Dr. Christiansen is involved with teaching medical students and residents at the University of Minnesota Medical School, and she has presented at multiple local, national, and international medical conferences. She is involved with the International Society for the Study of Women’s Sexual Health (ISSWSH) and serves on committees, collaborates with other experts to publish articles for medical journals, and edits informational articles for the society’s new patient facing website. She is passionate about teaching patients, students, and colleagues about the importance of sexual health and well-being. In her free time, she started her own business called Intimate Focus which provides information and quality products to enhance and restore sexual health and wellness. She also enjoys shopping, hiking, and spending time with her family. Websites Mentioned: Dr. Kris Christiansen's Website North American Menopause Society Women's Sexual Health Information Thank You to Our Sponsor: Sam Leman Eureka Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: The principles of honesty and integrity that Sam Leman founded his business on continue today, over 55 years later, at Sam Leman Chevrolet in Eureka. Owned and operated by the Bertschi Family, Sam Leman in Eureka appreciates the support they've received from their customers all over central Illinois and beyond. Visit them today at LemanGM.com. Today's message is not intended for little ears. We'll be discussing some adult themes, and I want you to be aware before you listen to this message. Dr. Kris Christiansen is a sexual medicine specialist, and we are fortunate to have her as a guest today to share about sexual intimacy and the role of hormones. She will also offer solutions to common issues that arise in this area of marriage. Here's our chat. [00:01:18] Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Dr. Christiansen. Dr. Kris Christiansen: Well, thank you so much, Laura, and it is a pleasure to be here. I'm honored to be part of your program. Laura Dugger: Will you just start by telling us a bit more about yourself and how you ended up in this somewhat unique career? Dr. Kris Christiansen: It is a unique career. Well, I'm a family physician, and I practiced full-spectrum family medicine for about 10 years before all this happened. Now, I delivered babies and took care of children and adults of all ages, but I always kind of felt unsettled, like there was something else for me and really didn't know what that was. I prayed to the Lord that he would give me direction where to go, what to do, you know, because after going through medical school and all that time, it's hard to think about change. But what happened was that my husband and I joined a small group on marriage in our church, and we were going through the book, Love & Respect by Emerson Eggerich, which is a great book. [00:02:28] But that first week we met, the leaders asked if anyone wanted to lead a particular chapter. And I'm thinking, "Well, you know, I'm working full-time, I got two small kids, my plate is full, I don't need to add one more thing." But wouldn't you know that my husband raised his hand and said, "We'll do the one on sex." I thought, "What in the world are we going to talk about?" Because, you know, we could have used a little help in that area too. So I went to the local Christian bookstore because I had to get books, you know, I always have to rely on something. Our library grew quite a bit after that trip, which was kind of fun. I had prepared this talk knowing that it wasn't going to be much of a discussion in the small group setting because nobody wants to talk about it. With that opportunity, it was a fun group. And then later, the leaders of our women's ministry asked if I would do that same talk at our women's retreat. [00:03:38] I go to a small church, so here we have, what, 50 women, basically sitting on the edge of their chairs, eyes wide open, taking notes about everything that God had inspired me to talk about. So through that, he just opened my eyes and what a huge need we have in terms of sex and marriage, because we often don't talk about it. There were several things that happened after that where God just opened key doors. I was able to get training in this area. And then a few years later, this is what I do for my sub-specialty. And it's very rewarding. Laura Dugger: I love to hear that. Then I'm curious, what type of sexual dysfunctions are most common for your clients to experience? Dr. Kris Christiansen: Well, I see both men and women, and they have a host of things going on. [00:04:41] As far as female sexual problems go, the most common one is low libido. But sexual dysfunction is usually categorized into four different domains: libido, pain, arousal, and orgasm problems. Women rarely have just one problem. They have two or more of these issues, and each one affecting the other. A common scenario is for a woman, often in her middle years, but I've seen young women, in their late teens, early 20s. My oldest patient was a man who's 95. Yeah. And I have a handful of 80-year-old women in my practice. It's actually quite fun. But the common scenario for women, low libido, decreased sexual desire. The root problem is usually not just low libido, it's often associated with other underlying problems, like pain, or decreased arousal, or that difficulty with orgasm. [00:05:47] So sometimes the low libido is just due to the brain's neurochemicals being a little off-balance, kind of like depression. You know, depression isn't necessarily due to a specific situation, but our brain chemicals are just a little out of whack. In that case, there's no specific external factor contributing to the low desire. It's as if somebody just turned off the switch. And no matter how many date nights, glasses of wine, or vacations she may take, she just doesn't have the desire to engage in sexual intimacy. And it can be really distressing for her, and hard on the relationship. So it's also a matter of trying to figure out what else is contributing to it. Pain is a very, very common concern. And there are so many things that can cause pain. I see a lot of women who've been to several doctors and other providers who basically just brush them off, say, you know, again, have a glass of wine, relax, use more lubricant, and you'll be fine. [00:06:55] But no matter how much lubricant they use, it's still going to hurt. And then if they have that low desire, along with pain, it's just really not going to help. One of the common causes of pain in pre-menopausal women is birth control. Hormonal birth control like pills, you know, birth control pills, the patch, or NuvaRing, they can have a significant impact. Now, most women tolerate those birth control pills just fine and don't have any problems. But there are a few who experience very significant side effects from these medications. We know that birth control can cause low libido and pain, decreased arousal, and problems with orgasm, because the contraception affects their hormones. These pills significantly decrease our own body's estrogen and testosterone, and that has a huge impact. [00:07:53] I've seen many young women who have so much pain that they are unable to tolerate any kind of vaginal penetration. I mean, not even a tampon, let alone have intercourse. So these women are in loving, stable relationships, and they really want to be intimate with their husband, but they just can't because of the pain. So you can imagine what impact that has on the relationship. So if we just stop the pills, it helps, but it doesn't necessarily resolve the pain because these vulvar tissues have undergone changes, often like menopause, and usually needs to be treated with a hormone cream to restore these tissues. These women also have very tight pelvic floor muscles, which contributes to the pain, and then pelvic floor physical therapy can be helpful. So before sending them off to PT, though, we'd like to heal up their vulvar tissues so PT has the best benefit for them. [00:08:52] As women age, our estrogen levels fall during perimenopause and menopause, and those low estrogen levels contribute to a similar issue with vaginal dryness and painful intercourse. So very similar situation to what women experience with birth control pill problems. As for men, the most common concern is erectile dysfunction. ED is really common. We know that ED can affect 40% of men in their 40s, 50% of men in their 50s, 60% of men in their 60s, and so on. So by the time he's 95, he probably does need a little extra help. Our patients have usually tried at least one medication like Viagra or Cialis before they come to see us, but unlike those old commercials used to imply, the oral medications are only effective in about 60% of men, not 100%. So we offer other treatment options besides just the oral medications, and we also encourage healthy lifestyle habits like adhering to a healthy diet and getting adequate sleep, which is so important, quitting smoking, limiting alcohol, and getting regular exercise because all of these things can be helpful. [00:10:08] Bottom line, if someone has concerns about their sexual function, they should first talk to their primary care provider. If that doesn't help, then seek out a sexual medicine provider because we are out there, and we're there to offer hope. Laura Dugger: Wow, I'm just in awe of all of your knowledge and the way you succinctly articulate all of this. Just a follow-up question, is it true that women who are nursing can sometimes experience those same side effects as someone who is in menopause? Dr. Kris Christiansen: That is absolutely true. We know that during pregnancy, estrogen levels rise, so they're relatively high throughout the pregnancy, which is great. Women often feel much better when they're pregnant. And then as soon as that baby is born and when you're breastfeeding, estrogen levels plummet, and they are really, really low, just like menopause. [00:11:09] And you throw in a few other hormones like prolactin, which also decreases sexual desire, it makes sexual function a little challenging in that postpartum period. Sometimes a little vaginal estrogen can be helpful for pain, but also know that it will get better. Laura Dugger: And now a brief message from our sponsor. Sponsor: Sam Leman Chevrolet in Eureka has been owned and operated by the Bertschi Family for over 25 years. A lot has changed in the car business since Sam and Stephen's grandfather, Sam Leman, opened his first Chevrolet dealership over 55 years ago. If you visit their dealership today, though, you'll find that not everything has changed. They still operate their dealership like their grandfather did, with honesty and integrity. Sam and Stephen understand that you have many different choices in where you buy or service your vehicle. This is why they do everything they can to make the car-buying process as easy and hassle-free as possible. [00:12:11] They are thankful for the many lasting friendships that began with a simple “Welcome to Sam Lemans”. Their customers keep coming back because they experience something different. I've known Sam and Stephen and their wives my entire life, and I can vouch for their character and integrity, which makes it…

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    Special Patreon Release: Applying Personality Training to Parenting with Dale Wilsher Oct 23, 2023
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    Special Patreon Re-Release: Parenting Different Personality Types with Dale Wilsher

    “Train up a child in the way he should go [teaching him to seek God’s wisdom and will for his abilities and talents], Even when he is old he will not depart from it.” Proverbs‬ ‭22:6‬ ‭(Amp)

    Dale Wilsher is a professional life and strength coach, a DISC personality trainer, and the author of What’s Your Mom Type? Discovering God’s Design for You. She’s the parent of four daughters, ranging in age from 16-23, and newly married to her husband, Jeff. You can find her at www.DaleWilsher.com , www.YourAuthenticPersonality.com , and www.DaleWilsherConsulting.com

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    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    214 School Series (Legal) Gospel Sharing During School Hours with Joel Penton Oct 16, 2023
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    214. School Series (Legal) Gospel Sharing During School Hours with Joel Penton **Transcription Below** John 17:20-21 (NLT) "“I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message. I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me." Joel Penton is the Founder and CEO of LifeWise Academy, a program that provides Bible education to public school students during school hours. After its launch in 2019, LifeWise has quickly grown to serve more than 300 schools across the US. Before starting LifeWise Joel founded other nonprofits including Stand For Truth and Relevant Speakers Network, an organization that has touched more than 3,000 public schools and 2 million students nationwide. As a speaker, Joel has presented to more than 2,000 live audiences and over 1,000,000 people across the country. He is also the author of three books. Joel is a graduate of THE Ohio State University where he played football on three Big Ten Championship teams and one National Championship team for the Buckeyes. Joel lives in Columbus Ohio with his wife, Bethany, and their five children. LifeWise Website Questions and Topics We Discuss: What is the single greatest missed opportunity to impact our next generation of public school students? Historically, public school students used to have religious and moral teaching as part of their expected schooling . . . how has this broken down over time? What positive impact do you see religious education having on students and on schools? Thank You to Our Sponsor: Midwest Food Bank Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Thank you to an anonymous donor to Midwest Food Bank, who paid the sponsorship fee in hopes of spreading awareness. Learn more about this amazing nonprofit organization at MidwestFoodBank.org. Today is the conclusion of our school series. I hope you've enjoyed hearing from all of these fabulous educators, and I pray you have clarity and confidence to discern what form of education God is leading you to choose for your family at this time. Joel Penton is my guest today. He is an author and founder of LifeWise Academy, which is a program that provides Bible education to public school students during school hours. After reading his book entitled During School Hours, I was shocked and pleasantly surprised to discover this process is legal. [00:01:23] Joel is going to share all the details. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Joel. Joel Penton: Thank you for having me. Laura Dugger: Well, it would be great to get to know you a little bit better first, so will you tell us a bit about yourself? Joel Penton: Absolutely. So I am from a small town in northwest Ohio called Van Wert, Ohio. Met my wife at college when she and I attended The Ohio State University. We were both athletes there. I played some football for the Buckeyes. My wife was a gymnast. We got married while we were still in school. Just couldn't wait. After time at Ohio State, we went into full-time ministry, spent a dozen years traveling and speaking full-time, doing evangelism in public schools, until we started LifeWise Academy, which I know we'll chat about. But along the way, the Lord has given us five wonderful children, four boys and a girl. [00:02:26] The kids are now ages 13, 12, 11, 8, and 6. So if I sound a bit tired, that's why. Laura Dugger: Well, that's incredible. I love hearing the family life stage. Right at the beginning of your book, you address the single greatest missed opportunity to impact our next generation of public school students. Will you share what that is? Joel Penton: Yes. We say we believe the single greatest missed opportunity is something called "released time religious instruction", which most people have never heard of. That's a legal term. Here we are in 2023, and so many of us Christians are wringing our hands about what's happening with our schools and with the next generation, and how the word of God and prayer have been removed from the public schools in our nation. And little do most of us realize that in 1952, so over 70 years ago, the Supreme Court ruled that public school students can be released from public school during school hours, in the middle of the school day, students can be released to receive religious instruction, can be taught the Bible, provided the program is off school property, privately funded, and students have parental permission. [00:03:48] That's what this released time religious instruction is. Students can be released from school and attend religious classes. So this has been around for over 70 years, this opportunity that's right in front of us, almost no one has ever heard of it. We started a program in 2019 to take advantage of this really amazing, almost hidden or under-the-radar opportunity, and it's really starting to take off, and we're excited about it. Laura Dugger: How did you even discover this and even get personally passionate about students learning the Bible during school hours? Joel Penton: Well, I'm passionate about it, about anybody learning the Bible during any hours ever since I became a Christian. I came to faith when I was in high school, as a freshman in high school. And so Jesus has been the center of my life ever since. That's why I went into ministry and to share the gospel with others. [00:04:45] Now that my wife and I have children, we want the Bible to be at the center of education for our children. So that's why I'm personally passionate about this. However, I kind of... well, I didn't really stumble onto this release time thing. It kind of found me in the sense that people in my hometown of Van Wert, Ohio, started a released time program back in 2012. They discovered they could do this. Not only as the Supreme Court ruled on this, but now 26 states in the nation have laws about release time. Ohio is one of them. So they started a program in 2012 and saw incredible impact. Over 95% of the entire public school student body for the elementary school enrolled in the program. Nearly every kid in town, even though only 30% of them attend church, nearly every kid attends this program to be taught the Bible as part of their public school day. So that was 2012. In 2018, they reached out to me, being the hometown guy. I live in Columbus now. But they said, "Joel, you started a ministry to public schools. [00:05:49] So you're in ministry. The ministry is growing. We have this incredible program. We'd like you to help us figure out how come more communities don't have a program like this? Why hasn't this spread?" And so they kind of enlisted me to help them figure out why hasn't something like this spread coast to coast. It's been around for almost 70 years at that point. I tell people that's the day I gave up sleeping when they called me to ask that question. That set me on the journey of trying to figure out, yeah, why hasn't this spread? Which led me to conclude that, well, you know, there's not a plug-and-play replicable model. Or there wasn't. So that's why we started LifeWise Academy. Laura Dugger: Historically, public school students used to have religious and moral teaching as part of their expected schooling. So how did that break down over time? Joel Penton: That absolutely was part of schooling in our country. Not only was it part and not only was it central to public education in our country. [00:06:50] In fact, biblical literacy was one of the driving motivations for even the start of broad education in America. You could go back to the 1600s and there's a famous act in Massachusetts called the Old Deluder Act in the very early days of this, I guess we weren't even a nation at that point. But a law was passed saying that communities had to teach children to read so that they could read the Bible. Much of early education was for the sake of children being able to read the scriptures. However, as the decades wore on and as sectarian differences from community to community began to be flattened and everything began to be more and more standardized across states and then ultimately across the nation, denominational distinctions were removed. And then with the rise of science and the scientific revolution and secularism, ultimately religion altogether was just removed. [00:07:55] The courts finalized that in the 40s and 50s, removing the Bible and prayer from public education altogether. However, the piece that most people miss is that in 1952, that's when the Supreme Court did rule, Well, religion can be part of the public school day, but it just has to be off school property, privately funded, and with parental permission. That's the opportunity we've missed and that's what we're trying to reinstall. Laura Dugger: And it's an understatement to say that it's unfortunate for the direction we've moved. But for those schools who are implementing this, what kind of positive impact are you seeing this religious education have on the students and the school in general? Joel Penton: Oh, well, we're seeing an incredible impact. I mean, it's the word of God and the word of God is powerful. It's active. It changes lives. It's spiritual and it's supernatural. And while we don't understand all of it because it's God's word and His spirit working, we see it. So we see kids coming to faith. [00:08:55] We see families being impacted. But there are some things that are just, I mean, so obvious. Well, for one, the stories that roll in, honestly, on a daily basis are incredible about families getting reconnected to the church, about lives being changed. I was just speaking in a church this past week, the week before, and a woman came up to me and said, "Hey, I want to thank you for what's going on with LifeWise. My family and I are in this church because of LifeWise. We enrolled our daughter and it was through that that we got reconnected to the church, and my daughter and I were just baptized two weeks ago." So hearing stories like that over and over, we see the impact. The schools are seeing it as well. The feedback we're getting from educators, administrators, and teachers is that they are seeing the impact. We had one school that did a study of the students who were sent to the principal's office for disciplinary reasons the most. They did a study and found that in that group of kids who were most sent to the principal's office for disciplinary reasons, those who attended LifeWise, their trips to the principal's office actually dropped from first semester to second semester by 60%. [00:10:03] Whereas the students who were not a part of LifeWise, their office referrals actually went up from first semester to second semester. And so we're seeing the positive impact. It doesn't really surprise us because studies have shown that when kids have Bible education in their lives, their academics improve, their character improves, their mental health improves. All the things you want to see in the life of a healthy young person you see as a result of Bible education. Laura Dugger: Well, let's focus in on one of those areas that you addressed, specifically mental health. Do you have any stories or examples to share of how this program has improved the mental health of students? Joel Penton: Well, we are working with an agency right now that is doing some of those studies and compiling some of that data from our programs. However, there are many studies that show the connections between positive mental health and just religious activity altogether, all of the risk factors, things like anxiety, depression, suicide, or thoughts of suicide, all those things go down when somebody has religion in their lives, specifically Bible education. [00:11:21] And all the things of satisfaction, happiness, contentment, these types of positive mental health attitudes, all of those things go up. Laura Dugger: Let's take a quick break to hear a message from our sponsor. [00:11:38] <music> Sponsor: Midwest Food Bank exists to provide industry-leading food relief to those in need while feeding them spiritually. They are a food charity with…

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    213 School Series: Charter Schools and Enjoying Parenting with Dr. Eva Moskowitz Oct 09, 2023
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    213. School Series: Charter Schools and Enjoying Parenting with Dr. Eva Moskowitz **Transcription Below** Deuteronomy 4:9 (NIV) Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them fade from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them. Questions and Topics We Discuss: How can we all become enthusiastic lifelong learners and train our children to be the same? What exactly is a charter school and what are a few of your favorite reasons to recommend it as a viable option for parents and students to consider? What are a few ideas for ways our families can enjoy life and learning together? Eva Moskowitz founded Success Academy Charter Schools in 2006. She has authored four books including her latest, A+ Parenting: The Surprisingly Fun Guide to Raising Surprisingly Smart Kids. Learn more about her through Success Academy. Thank You to Our Sponsor: Sam Leman Eureka Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: The principles of honesty and integrity that Sam Leman founded his business on continue today, over 55 years later, at Sam Leman Chevrolet Eureka. Owned and operated by the Bertschi Family, Sam Leman in Eureka appreciates the support they've received from their customers all over central Illinois and beyond. Visit them today at LemanGM.com. As we continue our school series, I'm reminded again of the overlap between educating and parenting children. Eva Moskowitz is my guest, and she beautifully weaves these topics together. She is the founder of Success Academy Charter Schools and author of A+ Parenting: The Surprisingly Fun Guide to Raising Surprisingly Smart Kids. We're going to chat about both topics, parenting and charter schools. [00:01:20] Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Eva. Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Thanks for having me, Laura. Laura Dugger: Will you start us off by giving us a little context and sharing more about who you are and what you do? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Sure. So my name is Eva Moskowitz, and I'm the founder and CEO of Success Academies, one of the largest charter networks in the country with extraordinarily high performance. We are in New York City, educating 21,000 students, kindergarten through 12th grade. We are all lifelong learners and incredibly enthusiastic about the criticality of a great education. I'm also the author of four books and very interested in parenting. [00:02:21] I'm a mother of three myself, and I've been thinking a lot about how to raise intellectual children, both from a schooling perspective, but also from a parent perspective. Laura Dugger: And after reading your most recent book, I gather that you are passionate about infusing the joy into learning. So you mentioned you all are enthusiastic lifelong learners. How can we all become that way and train our children to be the same? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Well, there's nothing more important than reading. You can teach yourself anything through books. We all need to be avid readers. I would argue not only of fiction but also nonfiction. I personally read four or five newspapers a day so that I can be an informed global citizen. I also listen to audible books and podcasts. [00:03:23] I find there are so many opportunities in today's world to continually improve yourself and make sure that you are more knowledgeable, more learned, more thoughtful, have better questions to ask. If you do that for yourself, you will also impact your children. Laura Dugger: I think it's wonderful that reading is such a delightful activity, not only for ourselves, but also even reading aloud. Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Reading aloud is the best. With my three children, we read short stories aloud, we listened to short stories being read aloud by wonderful actors and readers. Today's technology actually affords so much ease at getting access to great literature. You can listen to the wonderful BBC dramatization of great novels and short stories. [00:04:30] There are so many different ways that you can become a lifelong learner today. Laura Dugger: Well, and again, back to your book. I love how you pointed out that students who are going to school are going to spend approximately 180 days a year at school. But that leaves the other 185 days at home. So there is actually an incredible opportunity for learning to occur at home. So, Eva, how do you think that we can be intentional to maximize the effort and enjoyment of those 185 days at home? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Well, I think there are a couple of ways. I mean, first, just by realizing how precious that time is and that even formal schooling only occupies a small percentage of that. Obviously, we need to sleep and eat and clean our houses and pay our taxes and do the laundry and participate in religious or community activities. [00:05:37] But there's an awful lot of family time, and you want to use that time impactfully. You know, I wrote this book because I found a gap in the literature. There's tons of books on how to toilet train your child or how to deal with tantrums or all sorts of problems that parents encounter, but there wasn't anything in the literature on what I would argue is one of the most important jobs of a parent, and that is shaping and raising intellectual children. There are a variety of ways to do that. Reading is one, but it's certainly not the only one. I know you know from the book that I'm a huge believer in games, intellectual games. That can be super enjoyable for parents and for kids and, in fact, can be a family bonding experience that your kids will remember their whole lives. [00:06:38] Laura Dugger: I love how you brought out so many enjoyable activities to share together. I'm just curious, then, will you catch us up? What are the ages currently of your children? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Well, I'm sort of at the other end of the spectrum, meaning I became an empty nester last year for the first time, which I was rather sad about. I love motherhood. I love the family and the family time. My kids are now... my eldest is 25 and he's graduated from college. My middle one is at the U of Chicago studying mathematics and my youngest is at Wharton studying business in Philadelphia. But I did all these things when my kids were very young and when they were teenagers. We still play games to this day. The games are a little more sophisticated or there are games that they played when they were little, like Backgammon, that either can be played at sort of a six or 7-year-old level or a 20-year-old level. [00:07:48] My kids still enjoy those activity. My eldest recently was in a New York City Backgammon competition and is waiting to play the semifinals in his Backgammon competition. So it can last a lifetime. And it certainly has been a really important part of our family time. Laura Dugger: I hope that you're even encouraged if you're hearing yourself. You have done what you set out to do with your children. And they sound like phenomenal human beings. I'm also curious, even going back to your family of origin, was this lifestyle instilled in you growing up as well? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Yes. I mean, maybe a little less on the games. My family really emphasized dinner conversations. I can still remember to this day as a little kid, my mother and father asking us the big policy questions. [00:08:52] So they didn't say to themselves, well, a 6-year-old or 7-year-old is going to have nothing to say about peace in the Middle East. They kind of were patient with us and said, "Well, here's the issue. Here is how different sides view it. What do you think we should do or how do you solve problems like poverty? How do you make the schools better?" So dinner conversation was something in my household growing up that my parents assumed that even young children could enter into those debates. I think the other thing they did was assume the criticality of diversity of thought. Meaning, sure, you want to raise your kids with clear values, but you also want to have some level of humility about whatever position you have. There are alternatives and you want to learn to listen to those alternatives and always have evidence for your opinions or disagreeing with other people's opinions. [00:10:03] Laura Dugger: That's so well said. In this series so far, we've covered various schooling options such as public, private, and homeschooling. But now I'd love to learn a little bit more about charter schools. So what exactly is a charter school? And can you also share just a few of your favorite reasons to recommend it as a viable option for parents and students to consider? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Sure. I'm maybe a little bit unusual in the sense that I support all forms of parental choice. I think it's really, really important that parents of all socioeconomic backgrounds, of all religions, of all ethnicities get to decide what works best for them. [00:10:52] But I am the founder and CEO of the largest network of public charter schools in New York City. A charter school is a school that is publicly funded. Unfortunately, we get less than the traditional district school, but it is nonetheless publicly funded, but independently run. So I have the freedom to make decisions about teaching and learning that I think is best for kids. Whereas in the district school, that is all sort of predetermined and a principal has to kind of follow the curriculum or follow all the rules that the district sets up. At Success Academy, we are able to do very rigorous mathematics, science, literature, history. And we're able to design a K-12 program that works backwards from college and life and ensures that students are not only intellectually prepared, but also have the habits of mind that lead to success. [00:12:15] We are very, very big at Success Academy on hard work and intrinsic motivation and organization, and time management. Those are just as important as being able to do physics and chemistry and calculus and game theory and economics, etc. Laura Dugger: Okay. Just to make sure I'm tracking with you, so a charter school is still publicly funded, but then maybe even each one would have a different emphasis. So someone listening in California or New Jersey may have different options for the emphasis of their charter school. Is that right? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: That's correct. So I am one operator and I have my particular educational vision and school design, but there are others that have a different design and a different educational vision. [00:13:18] And parents can literally kick the tires and figure out, well, which charter school in their community do they want to go to? Laura Dugger: And then are charter schools free to the public? Dr. Eva Moskowitz: Yes, they are free. You are not allowed to charge money, but you get admitted by random lottery. So if demand exceeds supply, you must run a random lottery and accept on a first come first serve basis. Laura Dugger: And now a brief message from our sponsor. [00:13:58] <music> Sponsor: Sam Leman Chevrolet in Eureka has been owned and operated by the Bertschi Family for over 25 years. A lot has changed in the car business since Sam and Stephen's grandfather, Sam Leman, opened his first Chevrolet dealership over 55 years ago. If you visit their dealership today, though, you'll find that not everything has changed. They still operate their dealership like their grandfather did with honesty and integrity. Sam and Stephen understand that you have many different choices in where you buy or service your vehicle. This is why they do everything they can to make the car-buying process as easy and hassle-free as possible. They are thankful for the many lasting friendships that began with a simple "Welcome to Sam Lemans". 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    Special Patreon Re-Release Discipline that Disciples with Dr. Rob Rienow Sep 25, 2023
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    Special Patreon Re-Release: Discipline that Disciples with Dr. Rob Rienow

    Titus 1:1b (AMP) “for the faith of God’s chosen ones and [to lead and encourage them to recognize and pursue] the knowledge of the truth which leads to godliness,"

    Dr. Rob Rienow married Amy in 1994 and they have been blessed with 7 children. His most important ministry is loving his wife and leading his children to know God and love Him. Rob’s mom came to Christ shortly after he was born so he was blessed to be introduced to Jesus at an early age. His parents divorced when he was in high school and God used that painful time in his life to give him a heart for young people and families going through dark times. He attended Wheaton College, then completed an MA in theology at Wheaton College Graduate School, an MDiv from Trinity International Divinity School, and a Doctor of Ministry in Christian Leadership from Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary.

    Rob’s life dramatically changed in 2004. God brought him to a place of deep repentance over the fact that he was disciplining other people’s children, but not his own. He was a spiritual leader at church, but passive with his family. Through that time of repentance, God turned his heart to the ministry of his children and his wife. God then led He and Amy to launch Visionary Family Ministries, a ministry designed to inspire parents and grandparents to disciple their children, to help couples create mission driven-marriages, and equip churches to build Bible-driven ministries. Their mission is to build the church through a global reformation of family discipleship.

    He shares the biblical message of family discipleship at national and international conferences for parents, couples, and church leaders. He partners and consults with numerous churches, encouraging them to accelerate evangelism and discipleship through families.

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    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    212 School Series: Benefits of Homeschooling with Jodi Mockabee Sep 18, 2023
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    212. School Series: Benefits of Homeschooling with Jodi Mockabee Deuteronomy‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭(NIV) “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.” **Transcription Below** ‭‭ Questions and Topics We Cover: How did your grandfather teach you about “kingdom economy”? How have you set up your life in such a way that your entire family pursues wholeness? Do you have any other practical tips for parenting or homeschooling you'd like to share? Jodi Mockabee is a photographer, writer, blogger, speaker, social media influencer, and homeschooling mother of five living in the Black Hills of South Dakota. With a passion for health, wellness, parenting, and more, Jodi blogs her family's journey and shares tips for a healthy and active lifestyle. She also writes curriculum for creative and artistic learning in a homeschool environment. Find her at JodiMockabee.com. Jodi's Book: The Whole & Healthy Family Follow Jodi on Instagram Thank You to Our Sponsor: Leman Property Management Company Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Leman Property Management Company has the apartment you will be able to call home, with over 1,700 apartment units available in Central Illinois. Visit them today at Lemanproperties.com or connect with them on Facebook. We get to continue our school series today, and this time we are hearing from my guest, Jodi Mockabee. Jodi is the homeschooling mom of five children and author of The Whole and Healthy Family: Helping Your Kids Thrive in Mind, Body, and Spirit. And we're going to talk about each of those areas, so I can't wait to share her insight into homeschooling and parenting. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jodi. Jodi Mockabee: Thanks so much for having me, Laura. I'm happy to be here. Laura Dugger: Well, will you just launch our conversation by sharing your personal testimony? [00:01:19] Jodi Mockabee: Sure. I grew up in a Christian home. My dad was a pastor, his dad was a pastor. I don't really know when the moment that I knew that God was true and real. It was just a part of my identity from the beginning being raised in that kind of covenant household. But I do remember from a young age, probably around the age of five, truly experiencing a relationship with God on my own, feeling independent from my family and my parents' beliefs, feeling the Lord move within my heart, stir within my heart. I have some really vivid memories of worship in our own church and the Lord just moving my heart from a young age, before you have that critical eye that you look through, so you know that it's real and true. I just remember encounters with God very young, and that is when I definitely devoted my life to Him. [00:02:19] I grew up in a healthy family, spiritually and mentally. My dad got diagnosed with brain cancer when I was 10. That kind of threw our whole family for a loop and was a really difficult time for our family. I don't think I've ever shared this on a podcast, but it is part of my testimony. When he found out that he had brain cancer, the tumor was the size of a grapefruit. They didn't think he would make it through. And this is back in 1990. The medical treatment wasn't where it is today either. But he fell to his knees. He was diagnosed on Valentine's Day, so February 14, 1990. He fell to his knees and he just said, "Lord, please give me just 10 more years so I can see my children grow up, so that I can be a dad in their life." And he died 10 years to that day. If that doesn't tell you that there is a loving God who listens to our prayers, then I don't know what does. [00:03:23] He died on Valentine's Day, 2000. We did get 10 years extra with him. Coming so close to death from his perspective, he poured so much into what was important, which was his family. We just got 10 years of an incredible father and mentor, watching him be an amazing husband. I look back and that was probably my most formative years of just having this incredible mentor in our household. He passed away when I was in college. I met my husband shortly after that. My husband and I were not really following the Lord closely when we both met. That's another testimony to God's goodness, because it could have gone really bad. Just because we were both in such a bad place, we were not seeking the Lord. The fact that God is sovereign and knew all along that we were to be each other's helpmates, it still blows my mind that we're still married based on who we were when we met. [00:04:30] That's kind of our testimony. As the years have progressed and we've added children and our life has gotten messier, all I can say is that the Lord is faithful and good. We've been through some really hard things. The Lord is just so faithful and has managed to just allow us to laugh through a lot of it. I'm just grateful to be here. There's so much to be grateful for. I feel like in general, my testimony is just a testimony of gratefulness of God's goodness. Laura Dugger: Wow. Jodi, thank you so much for sharing that. I was already struck with tears in my eyes within those first few minutes. I am so sorry for the loss of your father. That's never easy, regardless of the age. Jodi Mockabee: No, no, it's not. I think from an early age, I just learned that nothing's wasted. One of my favorite verses, even before he had died, I believe it's 2 Corinthians 1:1-3. [00:05:31] It talks about the God of comfort and how God comforts us so that we can comfort others. I didn't know how substantial that verse would be in my life until we've encountered really difficult things. To me, just nothing is a true loss because He uses it to comfort others in the kingdom. There are so many topics that are really awkward for us to handle as believers, you know, on how do you say or how do you respond to things? But I just think nothing's fully lost. It's all to gain in one way or another. So, yes, it was horrible, sad. It's still really sad to know that my dad never knew my kids and my kids never knew my dad. But it's all for God's glory in one way or another. Thank you. That's a really long response. Laura Dugger: No. Jodi Mockabee: I'm so sorry. Laura Dugger: No, this is wonderful. [00:06:30] Really, we're just getting a glimpse into the rich spiritual heritage that you had even these men in your life. Going back to your grandfather, even, there's a story that you share in your book. Can you tell us what he taught you about kingdom economy? Jodi Mockabee: Yes, absolutely. My grandparents were really wonderful, powerful people for the Lord's kingdom. Probably the most selfless people that you would ever know. They fostered hundreds of kids, adopted kids, just heavily active in the kingdom. They never lived extravagantly. The idea of the quote-unquote American dream just disgusted my grandpa, the white picket fence and the big house and the two kids and all that. That's his opinion. But they lived a true life with that. They lived very modestly. They had a small income but gave away everything. [00:07:30] There were many situations where they tried to give to us or did give to us, and we were just so humbled by it, knowing that they made less money than we did. I share a story in the book about how twice throughout my grandfather's life, the IRS had to audit him because the numbers didn't make sense when he put in his taxes. And it always showed that they gave away more than they made. So it was an instant red flag for the IRS. And so twice people had to come to their home to go through, and this was when everything was on paper, so to go through kind of their records and things like that. And my grandpa, he's a German engineer, very just methodical, kept great accounts of everything. So it's comical that he got audited because he's so careful, very black and white. There's no manipulating the system on his end. [00:08:30] And so twice he got audited, twice the people that were sent to do his auditing went through all of the files and recognized that they did, in fact, give more than they made. And both times these people left saved. My grandparents, just by living their lifestyle, were able to add to God's kingdom, just by showing that it is possible to give more than receive. That is a part of my spiritual heritage. They will always be a great inspiration for what it's like to be stewards, what it's like to give. That story is just a fun one to share because it seems pretty impossible. Laura Dugger: Yes. And the people walked away with their lives changed knowing Jesus. It's so incredible. Jodi Mockabee: And the phrase "kingdom economy", I think that has helped teach us that... just like our children, our children are not ours. They're here for us to steward for a short amount of time. [00:09:33] But that's the same with money. Nothing you make or spend is yours. It's the Lord's money and it all serves a purpose. So the kingdom economy, that phrase that they always used was like picturing just this money exchanging hands all for God's glory. You may give, but you'll also be provided for. And they lived so truly to that. They sold their home when they were no longer able to care for it. So they were in their late 80s, maybe early 90s, And they didn't have a retirement or anything like that. Very modest income and were very careful with their money. So when they sold their home, they came up with a plan to live on my cousin's property. Everyone that they had blessed in their lifetime came together and built this in-law quarters on my cousin's property. And just watching all these tradesmen work together, doing it from the goodness of their heart, not charging, you know, all the materials, just this whole community kind of pulled together to build this house for these people. [00:10:42] And it wasn't like there was some traumatic event that brought them all together. It's just pulling from years of experience of being a part of kingdom economy. We tend to fear so much about being provided for, but it's kingdom economy. It all kind of works and floats around. It's got its own currency in a sense that the Lord uses. So that's where that phrase kind of came from. Laura Dugger: In our series so far, it's been fun to hear the best parts of every schooling option. Now I'm eager to also get to hear your perspective as a homeschooling mother of five. But going back, is that always what you and your husband plan to do for education? Jodi Mockabee: Absolutely not. We raised our children in the area that I grew up in. I went to a private Christian school, small little Christian school. I had planned on sending my children there. In fact, they started in that school. [00:11:42] Two of my children started in that school. And all of the friends that I had grown up with our community, they all sent their kids to this school. So there was just this beautiful community-based relational experience raising our kids together in this school. When the Lord started prompting, when He started kind of challenging us, that threw me for a loop. It was like, wait, what? But you know that I'm selfish Lord. You know, that I like my own time. I like my house clean. And it's not like we were coming from a bad situation where we were fleeing and needed to homeschool. We had a great situation going on. So just kind of felt out of left field, to be honest, when we originally felt that stirring. But we dove into the word, we prayed, we sought the Lord, like, "Is this really what you want us to do? And He was so clear through scripture and through just us seeking out counsel from mentors and elders that it was what our family was supposed to do. [00:12:50] So it was not on my radar. I didn't know anything about it before the Lord truly just prompted us to do so. Laura Dugger: And of the schooling options, I would say that homeschooling provides the most unique schedule. Will you help us understand what type of rhy…

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    211 School Series: Benefits of Public School with Kelsey Kirk Sep 11, 2023
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    211. School Series: Benefits of Public School with Kelsey Kirk Proverbs 3:13 (NIV) "Blessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding," **Transcription Below** ‭‭ Questions and Topics We Cover: What is something you teach that is unique? What systems have you put into place in your own classroom that have been most beneficial? From your perspective, what are a few benefits of children attending public school? Kelsey Kirk is an enthusiastic educator, who has taught for seven years. She is faith driven and aims to show God's love, grace, and patience through her words and actions in and outside of the classroom. Kelsey holds a master's degree in reading and is currently pursuing her second masters in professional school counseling. Outside of school, Kelsey enjoys spending time with her large family and her friends (bonus points if Pickleball is involved!). Thank You to Our Sponsor: Leman Property Management Company Other Episode Mentioned from Savvy Sauce: 200 Planting Seeds of Faith in Our Children with Courtney DeFeo Connect with The Savvy Sauce on Facebook or Instagram or Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Leman Property Management Company has the apartment you will be able to call home, with over 1,700 apartment units available in Central Illinois. Visit them today at Lemanproperties.com or connect with them on Facebook. We are continuing our series to learn from teachers in various schooling options, public, private, and homeschool. Today, we get to learn from public school teacher Kelsey Kirk. When we moved homes and schools last year, Kelsey was a godsend as a third-grade teacher for our eldest daughter, Selah. She is enthusiastic, faith-driven, and committed to showing God's love inside and outside the classroom. I hope this school series continues to challenge and equip parents to ponder which option may be best for their children at this time. [00:01:20] Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Kelsey. Kelsey Kirk: Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited for this opportunity to chat with you today. Laura Dugger: Well, will you just begin by sharing your personal testimony with us? Kelsey Kirk: Yeah, absolutely. I grew up in Morton, Illinois. I actually am the baby of six kids, so I grew up with a big, fun family filled with just so many activities and chaos, but just beautiful, fun chaos. Grew up actually going to private school. So, preschool through sixth grade, I attended a Lutheran private school. Then I transitioned to the public junior high and high school. So, I do have a little bit of experience both in the private sector and in the public sector. I was raised in a Lutheran church as well, so I had that experience growing up. Faith has always been a very big part of my life. I've always known, actually, that I've wanted to teach. [00:02:21] So, I've said from very, very young, even when I was little and people would ask me what I wanted to do, I would always say that I wanted to be a teacher. And anytime that I had friends over and they would allow me to, I would always say, let's play school. And I would get out my markers and get out my crayons and pretend to be a teacher. It's just always been something that's been very enticing. I did go down that path, and now I have been a teacher for... I finished my seventh year. So, going into this year will be my eighth year teaching, and I still love it. Laura Dugger: That's incredible. It's kind of funny to picture our eldest daughter, Selah. Right now, you and I are getting to record in person in our home. And in the room next to us right now that you can't see, our children have school set up, and typically Selah is the teacher for Shiloh and Isla and Kessler. So, they are following in your footsteps with that. But like you said, for seven years, you've educated children in a public school setting. [00:03:21] So, what do you love most about your job? Kelsey Kirk: I love working with kids. The kids are absolutely the best part of my job. I take so much pride and put so much effort into creating strong relationships with my students, relationships that will last and continue with them even after they're out of my class. But I really, really love seeing in class how my students grow and those light bulb moments when you can tell their understanding, especially in the elementary setting. They show all their emotions on their face. So, when they have those aha moments and they're excited, that just fills me to the brim. I just love seeing those moments with students. I love how every single day is different. You truly never know what you're going to get when you go to school that day, but I do know every single day we're going to laugh. There's going to be so many great moments of just laughter. I think that's so important as well. [00:04:27] The learning is fantastic and such a priority, but I also want it to be a fun space that students want to go to and that I want to be in, right, that I have fun in every day. So, I love the kids, and I love the fun that we have every day. Laura Dugger: And that makes sense, even getting to witness you, you're so gifted at relationship building. And with those students, I'm assuming that they're more open to learn when they trust you and they're in a warm, inviting relationship. But are there any practical ways that come to mind that you really try and engage with each of them? Because you're having class sizes over 25 kids. Kelsey Kirk: Right. Yes, I do think you have to be very intentional. One of my goals is to make sure that I am giving students specific praise and that I'm varying it. But it can be challenging, like you said, when you have so many different students. [00:05:26] I actually have a checklist. It's a Google form, basically, that has all my students' names, and it has all the months of the school year. And every time that I give a student, like, a specific shout-out for something, let's say, I could really tell that they were putting in a solid effort with something, it was challenging them, but they did not give up, and they really used their determination, I really try to make sure to vocalize that specific compliment to them. And then I will try afterwards to remember to check their box. And so I know that I've hit that student, but I can see the ones that I haven't hit yet. And then I can be more intentional about watching those students and making sure that I'm checking all of their boxes. Because, you know, the day is long, and it can get busy, and it can get chaotic. Some days, at the end of the day, I don't remember who all I made sure I touched base with. So, having a little checklist definitely helps me. But I want every student to know that they are special, and they have specific and special gifts. [00:06:28] So, just trying to touch on those for every student is important. Laura Dugger: That's super helpful, even as a parent, that you've not only had that vision that you want to add specific encouragement to them, but you've put this system in place that makes it a habit, and so it actually happens. That is such a great takeaway, so thank you for sharing that. Kelsey Kirk: Of course. Laura Dugger: Is there anything that you teach that is unique that maybe isn't available in all the other schooling options? Kelsey Kirk: Obviously, in the public school sector, we do have a pretty particular and specific curriculum that we have to follow for all of the academic topics. So, all of those curriculums have been reviewed throughout the district, and we make sure that those are really rich and robust for the student learning, which is fantastic. And I think the academics are such a huge part to school. But that happens in every public school. Those academic pieces are really important. I really try to add in the social-emotional component to all of my academics. [00:07:32] So, the academics, like I said, are super, super important, and I try to tie in those social-emotional learning pieces when I can. For example, in math, if a question is really challenging, we might take a quick break and say, "This is so challenging. What do we do when something is really challenging us? How do we problem-solve through that?" Or if a student gets an answer incorrect, and, you know, you can tell the other students are really knowing that that was an incorrect answer, we can take a pause and say, "Hey, that answer wasn't correct this time. What do we do when we make a mistake, or how do we handle it when we're wrong?" Just really trying to be purposeful about tying in as much social-emotional learning as I can throughout the entire day, and all the academic subjects as well. Laura Dugger: That's so helpful, and sounds like such an organic way to teach them that, because then any situation can really be a teaching moment or opportunity. [00:08:35] Do you have any other kind of systems that you've put in place in your own classroom that you've seen now have been most beneficial? Kelsey Kirk: I feel like I could go on and on and on about this forever, because there are so many different things I have learned from teachers that I have so much respect for. I really do love that teaching is such a community space, basically, between teachers. Teachers are always so willing to help other teachers, which I'm so thankful for. I'm so thankful that there are spaces like Instagram, now that you can follow other teachers, and Pinterest, where you can get so many different ideas. I've definitely taken great things from all of those spaces. But one thing that I have found super beneficial in my class, a system that I have, is our goal-setting system. Every Friday, my class will sit down in a family meeting. We call it a family meeting or a family circle. [00:09:33] And we sit down in a circle on the floor, and we have a very candid conversation about what went well that week, and we celebrate what went well. But then we also have a conversation about what they think was not going well that week. It's really surprising, honestly, how quickly the students are able to have really kind of vulnerable conversations about what they need to work on. So, I really let the students lead that conversation, especially once we get deeper into the school year and we've worked on it. But the students will identify three goals that they would like to work on as a group for the next week. So, maybe they've noticed that students are shouting out a lot, and that's been distracting to them. And so, they make a goal that the following week, they would like to only have 10 times that someone is shouting out. We try to make them really specific so that we can actually measure those goals. And then when we sit back down that next Friday, we talk about, did we meet the goal that we set last week? So, on Friday, we set those goals, usually around three goals. [00:10:36] On Monday morning, when we get to school we will review what goals we're working on for that week. And on Friday, when we sit back down for a family meeting again, we touch base to see if we've met those goals. And then if we're going to, you know, check off that goal and move on to another goal, or if we're going to continue working on that same goal for the next week. Laura Dugger: I'm even envisioning this as... I wonder if tears come up at this point. Are there ever times where there's interpersonal relationships where they're working out conflict? Maybe somebody wasn't kind to another student. Is it that kind of conversation that arises as well? Kelsey Kirk: I do set up pretty strict expectations at the beginning of the year that there will be times that we are, you know, talking about things that aren't going well. And maybe you will feel in your heart like that is something you really need to personally work on. But I do tell the students going into all those conversations that we are a team. [00:11:37] Our class is a team. The point of this conversation is never to make anyone feel bad. So we will not ever be naming names. All of these conversations, we're working on having these conversations to grow. We're not having these conversations just to complain or to kind of tattle on anyone. That is not the purpose. So when we're st…

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