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    Wintering and Embracing Holy Hygge with Jamie Erickson (Episode 251) Jan 20, 2025
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    251. Wintering and Embracing Holy Hygge with Jamie Erickson **Transcription Below** John 14:3 NIV "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." When she's not curating memories, hoarding vintage books, or homeschooling her five kids, Jamie Erickson can be found encouraging and equipping a growing tribe of mothers all across the globe on the Mom to Mom podcast, through her blog The Unlikely Homeschool, at national conferences, and in her book Homeschool Bravely: How to Squash Doubt, Trust God, and Teach Your Child With Confidence. Jamie Erickson's Website Questions and Topics We Discuss: What are ways that practicing hygge in our outer life can affect our inner life? You’ve given seven broad categories for holy hygge living, but let’s do a deeper dive into just two, specifically: Hospitality and Atmosphere. Will you share a sampling of other tips for practical hygge living? Article Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce Website: Decluttering Our Homes and Our Minds Other Episodes Related to This Topic from The Savvy Sauce: 47. Relationships and Opportunities that Arise from Using Your Gifts with Founder of Neighbor’s Table, Sarah Harmeyer 178. Fresh Take on Hospitality with Jaime Farrell Top Ten from 2023: #2 Tremendous Testimony and Adding Spark into Your Marriage with David & Terri Sumlin Top Ten from 2023: #3 Making Your Home a Place of Love and Peace With Late Author and International Speaker, Devi Titus Thank You to Our Sponsor: The Sue Neihouser Team Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Thank you to the Sue Neihouser team for sponsoring this episode. If you're looking to buy or sell a home this season, make sure you reach out to Sue at (309) 229-8831. Sue would love to walk alongside you as you unlock new doors. Before I introduce you to today's guest, I actually have an announcement. Beginning next week, we are going to have video as an option rather than just audio. We're kicking off our video debut with one of my favorite couples of all time to interview. And a little hint is that they are repeat guests. So you'll have to check in next week to hear that conversation with my amazing guests. Beginning next week, you're going to be able to watch these conversations on YouTube, or you can continue just listening audio only if you would rather. [00:01:21] But if you prefer reading, I also want you to know that we're working on adding transcriptions to every single episode of The Savvy Sauce. So make sure you don't miss out on our show notes where it will contain all of these transcriptions. You can find our show notes and access our articles and video interviews and audio. And all of this is available at our newly updated website, thesavvysauce.com. But for today, Jamie Erickson is my guest, and she has authored multiple books. But today we're focusing on insights from her book entitled, Holy Hygge: Creating a Place for People to Gather and the Gospel to Grow. Here's our chat. Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jamie. Jamie Erickson: I'm so thrilled to be here. Thank you so much for having me. Laura Dugger: Well, in your book, you share some glimpses of the brokenness that you experienced in childhood. So are you willing to elaborate and tell us more about your upbringing? [00:02:28] Jamie Erickson: Yeah, you know, I haven't shared publicly a lot of my childhood stories, mostly because they're not just mine to share. And I have to be real cognizant about how vulnerable I am with other people's sides of the story. But I guess I can say this. If you were to imagine what you think the worst sin is, and I realize that's a human definition of sin, God doesn't category sin in the way that we do. But if you and your humanness were to just think of what are the worst sins imaginable, you might think of things like murder and rape, drug abuse, adultery, maybe homosexuality, abortion. As a child, I could look around at my Thanksgiving table as my extended family was sitting there, and I could see every single one of those things represented by the family that was gathered there. Laura Dugger: Thank you for even giving a glimpse into that. I think I appreciated it in your book where you just shared you wanted the lifestyle for your future family to be different. [00:03:36] I'm assuming that was a motivator from coming from a broken past. Is that right? Jamie Erickson: Right. Yes. I hope that in even just sharing a little glimpse of my story, those who are listening can see that God is a God of redemption and restoration. And the new growth can start with your generation. Even if you didn't come from a household of faith, and faith was not handed to you, and you are the very first generation of Christ followers in your family tree, it can start with you. Laura Dugger: Amen to that. So now you kind of lead us into wanting to hear more of your redemption story. So when did you surrender your life to Jesus Christ? Jamie Erickson: Well, I grew up in a home where my father was not at all a believer, and I won't get into too much nitty-gritty with that. But my mother was... I would call her a nominal believer. [00:04:37] Sometime in her life, she had made a profession, and so she did attend a church, but she never brought us children. We were kind of like Christmas, Easter attenders. So we had some idea of church, but it was a religion, not a relationship. When I was 12 and getting ready to start middle school, I grew up in a very, very crime-ridden neighborhood in the inner city of Phoenix. And I was slotted to go to a particular middle school that just had all kinds of crime in it. You'd have to go through a metal detector just to get into the school. There was tons of drugs, lots of gang-related violence. So even though he wasn't a believer, my dad was like, "Well, I don't really want that for my two girls." So he took on two extra jobs to be able to afford a local Christian school, it was a very small Christian school, not for the sake of instilling religious training or a belief in Jesus or anything. That wasn't a thought of his. But just he and my mom both wanted us not to have to go to a crime-ridden school. [00:05:40] And so we began going to this school that was associated with a church. And my mom thought, well, if you're going to this school, you probably, just to hang out with your friends, want to go to the church too. So we began going. My mother and my sisters and I began going to that church. And it wasn't until I was about 15 that, you know, in those first three years, I began to see such a stark difference in the lives of the other teens around me and the people that went to this church. There was a set-apartness that was so vastly different than the life I knew in my home experience. And it was compelling to me. So I began asking questions as one does. And it wasn't until I was about 15 that I realized what was missing in my life. It was a relationship with Christ. I realized that I was a sinner in need of saving. I called out to Jesus, asking Him to forgive me, and that I wanted to give my life to Him and dedicate the rest of my life to following Him. [00:06:47] Laura Dugger: Wow, that is incredible. Then along the journey somewhere, where did you end up meeting your husband? Jamie Erickson: Well, I ended up at a very small, very conservative Christian school in Florida. I was a year ahead of him because I graduated a year early. So I was a sophomore, he was an incoming freshman. He only stayed at that school that one year. And he often says, well, God led me there just to meet you, because he ended up transferring to a different school after that. But we met the spring semester. You know, it's one of those love at first sight stories, because I actually was interested in a different guy at the time, and I saw my soon-to-be husband across the cafeteria, and something in me just said, "That's the one. That's the guy I'm going to marry. I don't need to, like, worry about it. I don't even know his name. But sometime we're going to meet, and that's the person I'm going to marry." I ended up telling that to my roommates, and they, of course, laughed it off, "Oh, Jamie, sure, you're going to marry this guy. You have no idea who he is or where he's from or anything about him. [00:07:48] But, sure, you'll marry him." And they were my bridesmaids. So there you go. Laura Dugger: Well, you fill in a few more gaps as well and share, how did you go from that moment in the cafeteria to married? Jamie Erickson: Well, he saw me. I saw him. There's conflicting stories on to who saw who first. But he claims he saw me first. And then he started seeing me around campus, having never saw me before that particular day. And he would wave or smile and say hi. We ended up having the same lunch hour on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And so he got to see this regular pattern happening that, oh, she's having lunch in the cafeteria at the same time as I am every Tuesday and Thursday. So he just determined one Tuesday or Thursday that he was just going to walk up to me, introduce himself, and ask me out. And he did. And I said yes. And we went on our first date. Probably by date number two, he realized that I was the one. [00:08:48] But I knew he was the one way back when I just saw him. And really, I can't explain it other than it was like the Holy Spirit just calming my nerves about my future and just saying, "That's the one I have for you. You don't have to worry about it. You don't have to spin your wheels trying to meet this guy. It's all going to work out." And it surely did. Laura Dugger: I love that so much. Your husband has a different cultural heritage than you do. And I believe it was through him that you were introduced to Hygge. So will you just give us a Hygge primer, specifically the type that you call Holy Hygge? Jamie Erickson: Yeah. So when my husband and I met in Florida, I was originally from Phoenix, like I said. But he was from a very, very small town, a Mayberry-esque town in central Minnesota, where Minnesota boasts the largest number of Scandinavians in the entire country, some of which are Danish. My husband is half Danish, half Norwegian. So he grew up in a home that was just cocooned in this idea of Hygge-ly living. [00:09:54] That was completely unfamiliar to me. But when we got married and I decided to leave my home in Phoenix and move all the way up to Minnesota to follow love, I began to see just how different my Scandinavian relations were, how contented they were. I'm from a hot environment. Phoenix is very, very hot. And then I move up to the near tundra in Minnesota. And to me, it was like I spent the first year of our marriage freezing cold. It's so dark here and we're covered in snow 90% of the year. And I could not understand how these men and women live so contentedly. And they had such peace and calm. Even those who didn't have a relationship with Jesus, I noticed this difference, this communal, hospitable living that they had, and this contentedness and this coziness. I eventually learned to attribute that to this Danish lifestyle practice of Hygge. [00:11:00] As I began learning more about it, because, you know, I needed that... I needed that contentment. I needed that coziness. I needed to like where I was living. And so I began to research heavily, seeing what a stark difference it made in all my family and friends' lives. I began to learn about Hygge. And what I saw was it really does mimic and parallel the life of Jesus. He did it first. And this was just the Scandinavians or the Danes' way of trying to replicate it, to make a sanctuary or an abundant life for themselves in a place where the temperatures are biting, in a place where it's dark all the time and it's not ideal. The Danes have this saying, perhaps you've heard it, there is no bad weather, only bad clothing. And that's the idea that, you know, yeah, your circumstances might not be ideal, but if you just learn to put on the right things and prepare yourself and perhaps make some small tweaks to your outward life, you will experience so much more peace and joy. [00:12:10] That really is at the heart of the Danish concept of Hygge. You can't always change your circumstances, but you can almost always change your perspective about them by just changing a few el…

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    Creativity and Career while Raising a Family: Special Patreon Release with Jean Stoffer Jan 13, 2025
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    Special Patreon Release: Creativity and Career while Raising a Family with Jean Stoffer

    Daniel 6:23b (NASB) "So Daniel was lifted up out of the den, and no injury whatever was found on him, because he had trusted in his God."

    Questions and Topics We Discuss:

    1. How did you prioritize your relationship with your children while also not squandering the gifts and talents you'd been given?

    2. Will you share a bit more about where your career has taken you?

    3. What are a few specific stories of the Lord clearly leading your way?

    Jean Stoffer is an award-winning Grand Rapids-based independent interior designer specializing in kitchen and bath designs. Each of her designs is custom suited for her clients' lives and how they hope to use their home. Jean is also the founder of Stoffer Home, a retail store featuring beautiful and functional items for the home, and Stoffer Home Cabinetry, the source for Jean's own line of quality, British-inspired flush inset cabinets. In December 2021, the Magnolia Network began airing The Established Home, a TV series featuring Jean and her design work.

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    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    I Like Giving with Brad and Drew Formsma (Episode 250) Jan 06, 2025
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    250. I Like Giving with Brad and Drew Formsma Proverbs 11:24 (MSG) "The world of the generous gets larger and larger; the world of the stingy gets smaller and smaller." *Transcription Below* Questions and Topics We Discuss: What are the earliest seeds of generosity that were planted in your life? What are the seven forms of generosity you write about? What are some of the most practical ways we can pass this lifestyle along to our children? Brad Formsma is the author of the best-selling book "I Like Giving: The Transforming Power of a Generous Life" and “Everyday Generosity: Becoming a Generous Family in a Selfie World.” He is the Founder of I Like Giving, an organization with the mission to inspire people to live generously. Millions of people across the globe have been impacted by the work of I Like Giving through its Generous Business, Generous Family and Generous Classroom initiatives. Brad is also the host of the leading podcast: The WOW Factor® “Words of Wisdom” from extraordinary leaders to help people grow in business and beyond. Brad has had the opportunity to speak at businesses and conferences across the U.S. to share the message of living generously. He combines personal insights, humor, and the power of story with practical tools to help increase engagement and put generosity into practice in our everyday lives. Brad and his wife Laura live in Southern California and are the proud parents of 3 adult children. Brad is also on the Forbes list for 20 speakers you shouldn't miss. Read the article here. Drew Formsma is widely known as a voice to Generation Z and a peer who can communicate with them unlike any adult. He began speaking with his dad in 2016 at the age of fourteen to audiences of tens of thousands of people around the world on the simple idea that generosity is the key to a better life. Drew lives in Southern California with his family and has set his sights on playing the top 100 golf courses in America by the age of forty. I Like Giving Website Thank You to Our Sponsor: Dream Seller Travel, Megan Rokey Other Episodes Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce: Being Intentional with Marriage, Parenting, Rest, Personal development, and Leadership with Pastor, Podcaster, and Author, Jeff Henderson How 2 Questions Can Grow Your Business and Change Your Life with Author, Pastor, and Podcaster, Jeff Henderson Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” *Transcription* [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Do you love to travel? If so, then let me introduce you to today's sponsor, Dream Seller Travel, a Christian-owned and operated travel agency. Check them out on Facebook or online at DreamSellerTravel.com. I am so excited to host a father-son duo today. Brad and Drew Formsma are my guests. Brad is the founder of I Like Giving, which inspires people to live generously, and Drew is the creative director at I Like Giving. Now, through story and scripture, these two are going to inspire each of us to enjoy the richness of life that comes from living generously. They're also going to share real ways that we can train up our children to live the same way. Brad even has something in common with one of our previous guests, Jeff Henderson. [00:01:20] Brad and Jeff are both on the Forbes list as the top 20 speakers you don't want to miss. So I'll make sure and link to Jeff's episodes in the show notes as well. But you're going to quickly experience why Brad and Drew are both highly sought-after speakers. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Brad and Drew. Brad Formsma: Great to be with you today. Drew Formsma: Oh, I'm excited. We're going to have some fun today.[00:01:43] Laura Dugger: Well, you are both amazing storytellers, so I'd love for each of you to begin and just share a little glimpse of your story into how you chose to fully follow Jesus. Brad Formsma: Well, I love that question because I usually jump right into the generous life stories that I have so many and that are in my book, I Like Giving. But I remember being 28 years old. My first son had just been born, and we went to do a baby dedication, and I told the pastor to make it nice, and I would pay him. And he said, "We don't really charge for baby dedications." But I said, "You do all the talking." [00:02:28] So when it came time for him to do the talking, he only talked for a few minutes. And then he said, "Brad's going to talk." And I was thinking, "This might have been why I wanted to be paying him, because I wouldn't be." He put me on the spot, and I pulled out all this religious Christian language that I got from high school and elementary school and Bible school, but none of it got to my heart. So I walked out of there, and I really felt like I was being convicted that I was not living the way that I was speaking. And so I said, "Lord, have your way with me." And the rest is history. Drew Formsma: Yeah, and for myself, it started at a young age. I was obviously raised in a family that embraced the lifestyles of Christianity. But for me to begin that relationship with Jesus, it was at 10 years old. I was out of church service and just said, "I believe." [00:03:30] And from that day forward, it's been a relationship with Him. I've been baptized. That relationship is so much further than just works and obligation. That relationship with Jesus is something that I continue to strive for daily. And even though I fall short, it's an amazing journey that I get to walk through for life, to be one of His disciples, and to follow His teachings. Laura Dugger: Thank you for sharing. I think it's so approachable. And if somebody hasn't made that choice today, I love how you lay it out simply, that you turned it over to Jesus and asked Him, and it's a relationship that builds. But I'd also love to hear from both of you, what are your memories of those times of the earliest seeds of generosity being planted in each of your lives? Brad Formsma: Oh, sure. I often think back to little Brad, who's 11 years old, and he's tagging along with his grandpa who had a commercial bakery, but yet he had a small test kitchen next to his office. [00:04:35] And so on Saturday mornings, we'd go and make these special 16 loaves of bread. And then when they cooled off, into the car they went. And we would go around the city and he would bring them to people and begin to show me the generous life through his modeling of it. For example, he would say, "We're going to go see this widow from church," and we'd get several loaves of bread out. And then he would bring her a generous, encouraging word. And, of course, a few fresh loaves of bread. And then there would be another stop, and maybe this time a letter of recommendation and a few loaves of bread. Sometimes white bread and a white envelope with the check. And so he was showing generosity of money. So he really, for me, was the early modeler of the generous life, daily, weekly, monthly giving, as we like to say. [00:05:36] Drew Formsma: Yeah. I mean, I carried that on through my life where I got to watch my parents, who obviously he was modeled this generous life by his grandfather. I got to watch my parents step into opportunities daily, weekly, monthly. And we talk about in our family that generosity is far beyond a dollar amount, right? It's with our thoughts and our words and our time and our influence and attention, our finances, and also our belongings. And there's many more ways than that, but these kind of set you up for a holistic view of how Jesus walked on this earth. Something I would love to share with your listeners is people often go back to the verse, John 3:16, for God so loved that He gave. We use that verse in our family as well where it's, how are we going to show love to people in this world? And it's through giving to others that we get to show them the love of Jesus. [00:06:37] I think it's one of the greatest ways to share the gospel because when you give, it opens someone's heart and they become a lot more receptive to the message of Jesus because they get to feel who He is through you and your actions. And that's our way of being able to love each other. I mean there's two commandments in the Bible that it says to love God and to love others. And so how do we love? We believe that generosity is love in action. So as a family, we've taken that on. My parents early on would model this. If it's the UPS driver, running out and giving them a beautiful cold drink of water with a snack. Or if there's somebody who's cleaning a table after a restaurant, going up to them and just thanking them for doing what they're doing and just being there and serving. So it doesn't always require a dollar amount, but it's the daily opportunities that I began watching my parents model that I began taking into my life as well. [00:07:40] Laura Dugger: I love that because it makes me think of the word minister, which minister means to just simply meet the needs of others. And so you're expanding that view of generosity for us beyond just dollar amount, but even filling their stomach with warm loaves of bread or whatever the need might be. I think you said it well, it's the gospel in action. God has clearly gifted both of you with a spirit of generosity, and yet it requires participation on your part too. Do you remember back to when both of you took your first step, maybe an obedience to participate in the generous lifestyle? Brad Formsma: Well, you know, I want to be clear for someone listening. It's an adventure. I think it's a muscle to be exercised, and it can, in our society, be something like, oh, that's going to make me uncomfortable. Oh, what if I do it wrong? What if people don't receive it? [00:08:44] So I think I would more look at one of our early stories in our family that would change the trajectory of our family and impact our kids and start our organization. That story could probably be a good place to go, Laura, if you'd like. Laura Dugger: Love that. Brad Formsma: The question is, should Drew tell it? Because he was in the back of the car. Laura Dugger: Oh, Drew, how old were you in the back of the car? Drew Formsma: I was 10 years old at the time. My dad came in with a newspaper article, back when people read those, and we were all sitting around our breakfast table, and he read a story of a Sudanese father and son who had their bikes stolen. It was the boy's main toy and the dad's transportation to work. And they had just came here from another country, and that's all they had. Somebody stole their bikes. And we're reading the story, and that's all. It just stopped. [00:09:43] And it went on to say that crime is high in the city, and we all look around at each other, and my dad says, "Well, what should we do?" And my sister's like, "Let's go get them bikes." So we go to the bike store, load up two bikes. We get to the first stop sign, and my mom looks over at my dad and says, "Well, where do they live?" Of course, they don't put the address in the newspaper. So we end up driving all over our city looking. All we have is the picture in the newspaper. It has this small fire hydrant, and we're looking all over the city, street by street. At this point, there's Cheerios all over the back, and we're stopping and getting McDonald's, and the time is ticking. We're not finding them. And then all of a sudden, we find the house. And we walk up, we knock on the door, and they're not there. So we're like, "Oh my goodness. We've been driving all over the city for four hours." And we said, "Okay, we'll give it some time." And we waited an hour and all of a sudden, they started walking up to their door. [00:10:57] And we jump out, and we're like, "Oh my gosh, we have two bikes for you." And because of the language barrier, all they could say is, "I like bike. I like bike." And we're like, "Oh, we're great. That's awesome. You like bikes." And we head off that day, and my mom on the way back said, "I thought there would be thousands of bikes in that front yard." But there weren't any. It was almost like God had an assignment for…

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    **Update and Announcements You Don't Want to Miss!!** Dec 23, 2024
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    Update and Announcements You Don't Want to Miss!! **Transcription** Merry Christmas, friends!! You may notice a full episode is not going live this week. I wanted to update you that we are taking our two week, end of the year break and we look forward to resuming podcasts every Monday in the new year, beginning January 6th. And one piece of our super exciting news is that we are going to soon not only be an audio only podcast, but we will also be offering video! You can watch these episodes on YouTube, beginning January 27th. I have three additional announcements I want to make: First, I want you to be the first to know we have a new website! You may remember Francie Hinrichsen from Episode 132 where we talked about pursuing our God-Given Dreams. She is the amazing business woman who has carefully designed a brand new website for Savvy Sauce Charities and we are thrilled with the final product, so I hope you check it out!! You can find a scrapbook of previous guests, show notes, articles and more. My second and third announcements are related to the website. One new thing you will find on our website is a transcription of every episode! Some guests have reached out to say they want to read the conversations, take notes on what was said, or in some cases, their spouse wants to glean all the goodness from each episode, but they prefer reading rather than listening. We heard you and we responded by making these transcripts available, free of charge to you! And speaking of free of charge, I want to share an announcement about the financial side of The Savvy Sauce Charities. As you know, we recently became a non-profit, which means all your financial support is now tax-deductible! There are multiple ways to give, and we would be so honored if you would share your financial support with us so that we can continue producing free content that is accessible to the general public. Your money will go to support: Creatively getting the Gospel message of Jesus Christ to the nations as we continue to share the good news on every episode. I say this is reaching the nations because The Savvy Sauce podcast is downloaded in all 50 United States and well over 100 countries around the world. Your financial support also supports practical needs, such as: Aiding our team to continue producing helpful content that is practical, uplifting, and always pointing to Jesus. Your financial support furthermore will help us: Continue to expand our reach and secure future projects we have planned for this ministry. If your ears are hearing this message, I am specifically asking you to give . . . we are so grateful for any amount and our team will continue to seek to be good stewards of the gifts offered to us. If you want to write a check or set up an ongoing payment with your bank that delivers a check to us each month, this is the most beneficial way to give because no percentages are taken out for processing fees. You can make your check out to Savvy Sauce Charities at P.O. Box 101 Roanoke, IL 61561. Additionally, with our new website, we now have a donate button! There are processing fees that we cover for these donations, but we wanted to offer listeners a seamless way to share their finances with us when we share our content with them. So just visit thesavvysauce.com and find the donate page under the tab support. Another way to find it is simply type in donate to the search bar on the website and click the first picture shown. We are all about sharing around here: Sharing resources, Sharing Joy, and sharing the good news about Jesus Christ! We ask that you also will share by sharing financially, sharing The Savvy Sauce episodes, and sharing a five-star rating and review! Thanks for listening and I can't wait to be return on January 6th and begin sharing all these amazing guests we have in store for you. Until then, I hope you all have a very Merry Christmas as we celebrate God with us! Merry Christmas Everyone and Happy New Year! Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    Stories Series Conclusion: Now What? Living as Global Christians with Todd Ahrend of The Traveling Team (Episode 249) Dec 16, 2024
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    249. Stories Series Conclusion: Now What? Living as Global Christians with Todd Ahrend of The Traveling Team **Transcription Below** Acts 1:8 (NIV) "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Questions and Topics We Cover: What does it actually look like for you to live with eternal eyes and how can we grow in living the same way? Will you teach us about these four categories: goer, sender, mobilizer, and welcomer? Years ago, you shared a story about one international student that has stuck with me for nearly a decade. Will you retell that for us now? Dr. Todd Ahrend graduated from Northeastern State University, has a Masters from Dallas Theological Seminary and a Doctorate from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He is the founder and international Director of The Traveling Team, a national missions mobilization movement. He and his wife, Jessica, have spent over two decades traveling both nation-wide and abroad, speaking to thousands of people about involvement in world evangelization. Todd has exposure in over sixty countries and has lived in the Middle East. He is the author of The Abrahamic Revolution and In This Generation. Todd and Jessica have six children. Email Dr. Todd Ahrend to speak at your event: tenfortytodd@gmail.com The Traveling Team Website The Missions Course Connect with The Savvy Sauce on our Website Please help us out by sharing this episode with a friend, leaving a 5-star rating and review, and subscribing to this podcast! Thank You to Our Sponsor: Sue Neihouser Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:17] <music> Laura Dugger: Thank you to the Sue Neihouser team for sponsoring this episode. If you're looking to buy or sell a home this season, make sure you reach out to Sue at 309-229-8831. Sue would love to walk alongside you as you unlock new doors. We are wrapping up this fascinating stories series today with my guest, Dr. Todd Ahrend. I'm also going to go ahead and just give you his email address up front, because I'm assuming many of you will also want to reach out to him and invite him to be a speaker at your church or at your event, and he has given me permission to share his email address. So it is tenfortytodd@gmail.com, and 1040 is all spelled out. I'll link to it in the show notes so you can see it as well. [00:01:17] But Dr. Todd Ahrend is an author, speaker, and founder of The Traveling Team, which is a national missions mobilization movement. He's gifted at giving us an eternal perspective, which changes everything, and he has stories to share, just like the other guests in this series. But Todd is also going to wrap up this series by answering the question, now what, for each of us as we've encountered these testimonies. After concluding this conversation, I pray that we are all clearer on what the next step is in our lives and that we have answers to this question, how then shall we live? Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Todd. Todd Ahrend: Well, thank you, Laura. Great to be here. Laura Dugger: I'm so excited to get a chat today. Will you begin by taking us back in your life and share a little bit about both before and after you were following Christ? [00:02:20] Todd Ahrend: Yes. Well, I'll tell you what, man, I was not raised in a Christian home. At age 16, I went to church with a friend of mine, became a Christ follower, thought God wanted to bless me, but I didn't realize He wanted to change me. And so it wasn't until college that I got plugged into a campus ministry and saw what discipleship was, like, oh my gosh, how to share the gospel. They just sort of trained me in the basics. And from there, I really became ruined with wanting to do ministry. So here I am getting my degree, but at the same time, trying to share Christ with my fraternity, trying to start a campus movement. After that, I just thought, "Man, all I want to do is minister to students." And so for the past, like, 25 years, my wife and I have been leading a ministry called The Traveling Team that we started in 1999 that just helps college students with global vision. [00:03:29] Laura Dugger: I think it's so fascinating when the Lord really grows our heart for this age group in a time where He went and He saved us. So will you share more about the work that you and your wife get to do with The Traveling Team? Todd Ahrend: Oh, man, yes. You know, when you look at the world and the lostness and just the extreme unreached, and you ask the question, how in the world is someone going to go there, learn the majority language, learn the minority language, translate scripture, you think, Man, you got to get someone who is energized, is ready, is young, is like, I can do this. So we just thought, man, where do workers come from to reach the extreme unreached? And we just thought, man, there's something about college students. They're the most sendable, the most mobile, the most passionate, really. When you think about it, it's like, I'll go to Yemen, you know. [00:04:33] We just thought, man, let's go to college campuses and speak, give a 35-minute talk at the pre-existing ministries that are doing a fantastic job, The Cru, the InterVarsity, the BCMs, the Chiapas, the Wesley Foundations. Let's go in there and give a 30-minute message on God's story and scripture of reaching the nations from Genesis 12 to Revelation 5:9. And then let's invite them to go spend a summer. So every semester, we send three teams out and we speak on 120 campuses a semester. 120 campuses. So tonight, there's a team speaking at UC Berkeley, there's a team speaking at University of Wisconsin, a team speaking at University of Charleston in South Carolina. We just challenge students with, "Hey, this is what the world looks like. You're getting an engineer degree. Would you consider going to an internship in India this summer and praying about a lifetime?" [00:05:37] Our ministry is called The Traveling Team. We've been doing it for 25 years. And it has been such a joy to cast vision to these students. Laura Dugger: As you're casting this vision to them, what would you say is the purpose that you hope for them? Todd Ahrend: Well, I think our big purpose would be that they would live a global Christian life. Like, what does that mean to live, whether you're a nurse, a doctor, an engineer, or a full-time pastor? That's sort of our big-picture goal. But because we're talking to 18- to 22-year-olds who have really their life in front of them, we can say, Man, would you consider giving the next 15 years of your life to going long term, to learning a language, planning a church, translating scripture? So if we were at Montana State and we got 250 students that we're speaking to, 90% are going to be going into the workforce in America. [00:06:40] They're going to be what we would call the senders. But 10% are going to be the goers. So we're sort of targeting both groups. We're saying, Hey, be a global Christian. But some of you, you need to get a passport, get on a plane, and go and plan a church. Laura Dugger: And you called out some specific ages. So with this population, you really are connecting with a very special group. So I'd love to hear your perspective on what you've learned about the reasons why people, specifically between these ages of 18 and 22, are so instrumental to global impact with the good news about Jesus. Todd Ahrend: Yeah. Oh, there is just—I mean, you talk about The Savvy Sauce. There is something savvy sauce about that age group. I mean, I don't understand it. But when you look at history, over the last 300 years, every major missions movement has been launched by 18- to 22-year-olds. I don't understand it. I just study it. [00:07:48] I spent three years writing a book called In This Generation that just basically tracks every major missions movement and how it goes back to universities. And you just kind of scratch your head, and you're like, Okay. I mean, think about this, Laura. In 1806, if you were a college student, you had nine colleges you could go to. That's it. I mean, we hadn't even founded Mississippi yet. You had nine colleges. You could go to Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Yale, Cornell. I mean, that was it, right? Well, there is also a college called Williams College in Williamstown, Massachusetts. And a young man named Samuel Mills goes there. He's 18. He's a freshman. There's no mission agency. America has not sent one missionary. If you were a college student in 1806 and you wanted to be a missionary, you had to go to London, and then they had to send you. We didn't have a mission agency. [00:08:47] But yet in 1806 at Williams College, Samuel Mills starts the first five mission agencies and then launches, in 1812, the first missionary to India with Adoniram Judson. And then fast forward 1886, John Mott, Robert Wilder, Grace Wilder, these college students that were sophomores, juniors, and seniors and they decide they're going to launch really a second movement after the Samuel Mills movement of 1806. They're going to launch a second movement. Are you ready for this? They sends out 20,000 to the world, and then 80,000 stayed behind to send them. I mean, that's not even counting the Cru, the InterVarsities, the Wycliffe Bible translators. I mean, this is just two of the first. And so I think there's just something about that age group where you and I know and many of your listeners know the simple truth is this. The older you get, the more stuff you get, the harder it gets to risk. It's hard to risk when you've got two kids, mortgage, and soccer practice. [00:10:01] It's hard to risk going to Saudi Arabia for 10 years. But that age group, they don't have a ton. They have a cracked iPhone. That's it. That's it. And so they are just more willing to risk. And I guess risk is right because God loves risk. Laura Dugger: I love that. Will you say just a little bit more, God loves risk? Todd Ahrend: Yeah. Risk is right. I remember, I mean, for 20 years, Laura, for 20 years, my wife wanted to adopt, and I was saying no. I was like, "I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. We already have five kids. That's a basketball team." And she's like, "Every basketball team needs a sub." I mean, she prayed. I mean, she did so much. And really, a friend of mine took me to coffee, and we just... there was no purpose, just to catch up. And I told him about adoption, and he's like, "Man, when was the last time you risked something? Like you live in your safety circle. Risk is right." [00:11:04] That just changed me. I was like, oh my gosh, man. I do. I mean, I'm a middle-aged man in the middle of America with a middle savings account and middle of safety. And I'm like, you're right, I haven't risked anything lately. So we ended up adopting a five-year-old boy from Asia. I just think there's something about saying, Lord, I am coming out of my safety circle, I'm going to say yes to you. And for all of us, it's different areas. But for college students that we talk to, we're really challenging to come out of the American dream and to move east. So that's our challenge to them and sort of our challenge to others. Laura Dugger: I love it, Todd. You brought up your family, so let's go there for a moment as well. Because this week I've really been thinking about the parable – and I'm just going to completely paraphrase – where the seed falls on different places, four different categories. [00:12:06] But the last one it falls in the good soil, and it can produce the harvest of 30 or 60 or 100-fold. So as I'm thinking in my brain, okay, these college students, this age, this is so impactful. Let's back it up. You have six children in your home that you and your wife are homeschooling. What are you doing to cultivate that good soil in hopes of preparing them even so they're ready at any time when God calls them, but even in this specific age group of college students that you work with, they're ready for a yes to God, whatever He asks. Todd Ahrend: Well, raising kids, whether public, private, or homeschool, it's never easy. But for us, we started off by saying, okay, they're middle names. We're going to give their middle names missionary n…

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    Story of Healing from Sexual Betrayal in Marriage: Special Patreon Release with Bonny Burns Dec 09, 2024
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes adult content and is not intended for young ears. Special Patreon Release: Story of Healing from Sexual Betrayal in Marriage - An Interview with Bonny Burns Luke 8:17 (NIV) "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open." **Transcription Below** Questions We Discuss: Will you share your journey with us? Will you teach us what we may not be aware of for people who struggle with pornography addiction? What are lies or myths women are tempted to believe when they have been sexually betrayed? Bonny Burns is an APSATS certified partner coach (Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists, apsats.org.) She has been writing and researching God’s design of sexual intimacy since 2012 on the blog OysterBed7.com and has been speaking about godly sexual intimacy on the popular podcast, forchristianwives.com. She can also be found at strongwives.com. Strong Wives Website Sex Chats for Christian Wives Podcast Bonny Burns' Website Bonny Burns on Facebook Book with Bonny as your Coach Thank You to Our Sponsors: Chick-fil-A East Peoria and The Savvy Sauce Charities (and donate online here) Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Today's message is not intended for little ears. We'll be discussing some adult themes, and I want you to be aware before you listen to this message. I'm grateful for today's sponsor, Chick-fil-A East Peoria. Check them out online to place your order for dining or catering, or to fill out an application to join their friendly team. Visit cfeastpeoria.com. Hey friends, I wanted to share some exciting news with you. Savvy Sauce Charities has officially received our confirmation from the IRS that all donations are tax-deductible. I know that we have super generous listeners, so we wanted to let you know you can now mail your check to Savvy Sauce Charities, P.O. Box 101, Roanoke, Illinois, 61561. Thanks in advance for supporting Savvy Sauce Charities. [00:01:24] Now I'm pleased to share this episode with you that used to only be available to paying patrons. Bonny Burns is my returning guest, and she is a certified partner coach with the Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists. She came into this field after experiencing her own betrayal trauma in her marriage. I appreciate her willingness to share how she's walking through this and the hope she's able to offer others because of Jesus. Here's our chat. Welcome back to The Savvy Sauce, Bonny. Bonny Burns: Well, thank you for having me again. I'm really honored. Laura Dugger: Very much enjoyed chatting with you the first time. Today it's going to be a little bit more personal. Will you share your journey with us? Bonny Burns: Sure. I'm going to start from the very beginning, so just to lay the groundwork. I grew up in a Christian home, and all Christian homes have defaults. In my house, there was a lot of comparison of body types because my mom had her own body image issue. So therefore I saw people in public more for their body types and clothes than for their deeper stories. [00:02:35] But this also meant that there was an underlying philosophy of a little porn won't hurt, or boys will be boys. And so that's the background I came into marriage with. And newly married, porn was around a little bit, but because of my background, I didn't balk. I accepted it. And while I didn't seek it out, I understood how it did create sexual arousal. So fast forward a bit. By the fourth year of our marriage, we had three kids because we had a set of twins, and the porn had disappeared. And I thought it was a non-issue when in actuality, it had just went underground. So my first big discovery was about 15 years into our marriage in the early 2000s. I discovered a very troubling name of a business where money had been withdrawn from an ATM. At this point, the problematic sexual behavior had went past just pornography. [00:03:39] My world blew up. I was a little more spiritually mature than when we were first married, and this certainly felt like our vows had been broken. I was in a tizzy. I mean, seriously, I did not know what to do. I was on an emotional roller coaster. I wasn't as angry as I was hurt that he had stepped out like this. When I approached him, of course, and he is deep in his addiction, and there was a lot of denial. However, I bought into his blame that I was partly at fault for this because I had very little sexual interest, which if you've heard the other podcast, if you heard the other part of our conversation, this is about the time I started delving into finding my sexual interest. [00:04:41] So part of that motivation was from his blame. However, I will say that as time went on, I found that sex was for me too and I rejected his blame of any kind. But in our story, this is where we were at, that I had accepted it. Actually, I had no idea what to do, honestly. Aside from try to fix my sex drive, I was devastated. And none of our friends had talked about anything like this. I didn't really trust our church leadership fully, so we didn't go there. But surely he wasn't an addict, because I was doing all this internet research. And granted, Google was very young at the time. But there were no resources for me as the betrayed wife and very little resources for what I just thought was a porn struggle. Because he absolutely rejected that label. I thought, "He's not an addict, surely?" Well, while this is not usually what you want to do when dealing with a person in an active addiction, I didn't know what else to do. [00:05:51] So we went to a marriage counselor. And oftentimes, with the person in active addiction, they will paint the marriage problems as the other person's fault. However, we found a good counselor and he saw through what was going on and he challenged my husband quite a bit, so much so that my husband refused to go back to counseling. But what did save our marriage at this time was a marriage class we took through our church that taught the psychoeducation of relationships and of marriage. And it taught us tools and those tools stuck. Even in his addiction, he tried super hard to implement these tools so that we can have a better relationship. So we were no longer miserable at this time. And we had a fairly good relationship. I know that sounds crazy. Because fast-forward a few more years, he still got an addiction I didn't know about. A few more years later, I have another discovery. [00:06:56] And this is after I'd started the blog. So by this time, I knew a little bit more about problematic sexual behavior. But again, not enough. But I was completely astonished. Because at this time, we are having consistent, frequent, mutual sexual intimacy. He can no longer blame me for this. So I cajoled him to go to a counselor who said he was a sex addiction counselor. Now in looking back, I realized he really didn't have the right credentials for what my husband needed. But it is what it is. So he went about five times, said he was done, said he was cured. And this time, where the first time I forgave him and tried to forget and actually gave him my trust back the first time, this time, I forgave him, I didn't quite forget. I gave him some trust, but he didn't have my full heart anymore. [00:07:59] So after this blow-up, I decided to go back to school to earn a psychology degree with Christian counseling emphasis. So I have a bachelor's from Liberty. And this was more to help with Oysterbed7. I didn't realize that I personally was going to need this. I started to campaign with APSATS, which is the Association of Partners of Sex Addiction Trauma Specialists. I campaigned with them to be able to train so that I could become a certified coach to walk with other wives who had men struggling with pornography or problematic behavior. So as I sat down to work on my website, which is strongwives.com, I knew that I could not go into this ministry without a marriage that had 100% sexual integrity. My part of that in the past is that I got rid of all of my romance novels. [00:09:02] I committed to staying fully present in the bedroom with my husband. There were no shortcuts to orgasm through fantasy of any kind. I stayed fully present. That was my commitment to 100% sexual integrity. But I didn't know about his. You know, I didn't fully trust him. I didn't fully give him my heart. So I sat down and prayed Luke 8:17 every time I worked on the website, which is, "For there is nothing secret that shall not be made known and nothing hidden that will not be disclosed." Nine months after praying that prayer consistently, God revealed that my husband's sexual addiction hadn't been cured by those five visits to the therapist. In actuality, it had went underground and it had grown. And that is classic addiction is that it just grows and grows. [00:10:02] So by now I know exactly what to do. I have boundaries. I put boundaries immediately into place, which are so important for the wife of a sexually addicted husband. Boundaries help them know how you will be treated. Boundaries keep you safe from the lack of sexual integrity in your marriage. My boundaries were that he would see a CSAT weekly until that CSAT released him. There was no walking away just because he felt he was cured. He would be 100% cooperative with that CSAT. Whatever that CSAT asked, he was to do cooperatively. These were my non-negotiables. If he did not agree to do this, I was going to physically separate and decide whether I would dissolve the marriage or not. My other non-negotiable is that he attends two meetings a week for the rest of his life because addiction happens in isolation and recovery happens in community. [00:11:06] From there, we also had something called a full therapeutic disclosure, which is where I worked with my own abscess coach and he worked with his CSAT therapist to develop his timeline of behavior, which they can go back to their childhood. It explains all of their sexual behavior to the present. They take complete ownership of it. There is no blame, justification, or minimization. And it's therapeutic because it's done with the support of these two professionals who've been trained to walk people through this. That was the beginning of our new marriage. And while I said that after that marriage class, he had changed a lot, after his recovery, his sobriety, and recovery, he is almost a completely new man. Now for me, my healing has included a tremendous amount of grief because at the last D-Day, I was angry. [00:12:10] You may remember at the first D-Day, I wasn't angry. I was hurt. This time, I had done everything a godly wife is required. And I don't say that haughtily. I say that with great humility. I'm not perfect. I came from a household that was flawed. I have flaws. But I had learned to be a woman of sexual integrity. I had been telling him the things I had been learning all these years, and they were falling on deaf ears. And that's what made me angry, is the injustice of not having a husband, fully faithful. So my recovery has included a tremendous amount of grief, a really great APSATS coach, a community, and a retreat. And this retreat continues to heal me through the years. So I am in a very good place now. [00:13:10] Sure, I still have a few little triggers now and then. But I see the sex industry for what it is. I'm not personally affronted. I am livid for the women who are enslaved in it. Laura Dugger: Wow. Bonny, thank you for sharing your journey. I'm sure some of the marriages and people listening are maybe in the same spot, and some have never experienced something like this but would love to learn more about your experience, too. Are there any things that you have to deal with that we may be unaware of? Bonny Burns: Well, I will say it's been a journey. So when there was the first D-Day, I was all about control. We would not watch certain movies. If I caught him watching certain YouTube videos, I was livid. That tone of voice sounds condescending, and I don't mean it to be. I'm just saying that I was being a policeman, and that's not how a sex addict recovers. [00:14:27] Here's the truth, though. Hypervigilance, which is what that control is, is really safety-seeking. So I was seeking to make myself safe by controlling what he saw when…

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    Stories Series: Discipline of Celebration in the Midst of Unexpected Loss and Grief with Jonathan Pitts (Episode 248) Dec 02, 2024
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    248. Stories Series: Discipline of Celebration in the Midst of Unexpected Loss and Grief with Jonathan Pitts Psalm 37:4 (ESV) "Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart." **Transcription Below** Questions We Discuss: How did your magazine, For Girls Like You, originate? How did life unexpectedly change during this season of your life? Will you catch us up to speed on what God had planned for you next? Other Episode Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce: Unexpected Grief and What Helped Me Through It Can Help You Too with Singer and Blogger, Brittany Price Brooker Jonathan Pitts is a pastor and author. Since the passing of our founder and his late wife, Wynter, in 2018, Jonathan Pitts has been steering the ship at For Girls Like You. A ministry executive for almost 20 years, Jonathan is a pastor and a relationship-minded visionary leader who is passionate about reaching girls with the hope of Jesus and how the hope that He gives shapes their identity and purpose. Jonathan is the father of the four girls that have inspired the ministry from the very beginning, Alena, Kaitlyn Camryn & Olivia, and a son, Jonathan Joshua Arrow Pitts. He is married to his best friend, Peta, and an avid golfer. Follow Jonathan on Instagram For Girls Like You Website Church of the City Website Thank You to Our Sponsor: Leman Property Management Company Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Leman Property Management Company has the apartment you will be able to call home, with over 1,700 apartment units available in Central Illinois. Visit them today at LemanProperties.com or connect with them on Facebook. Jonathan Pitts is my guest today. His story of choosing a sacrifice of praise and remaining hopeful in the midst of experiencing loss after loss is inspiring. I just pray that this is uplifting to all who hear it. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jonathan. Jonathan Pitts: Glad to be with you, Laura. Laura Dugger: Well, we're going to start by actually going back. So can you take us all the way back to your upbringing and just share a little bit about what childhood was like for you? [00:01:18] Jonathan Pitts: Sure. So I grew up in South Jersey, which most people think New York when they hear New Jersey, but kind of a really rural spot. My mom is the daughter of German Lutheran immigrants and grew up in Iowa. My dad was an African-American guy that grew up in South Jersey. And so I found myself kind of growing up in a pretty, I would say, poor family, mixed family. I'm mixed, so half German-American, half Black. It was really interesting. I grew up in a Christian home. My parents are awesome, godly people, really humble and God's done a lot in our family. The beginning of my life was a bit of an identity crisis, because I kind of didn't really know who I was. I grew up in a pretty rural town. I was kind of brown and looked like a Black guy, but didn't really grow up around a lot of other Black people. So I just kind of grew up a little bit confused about who I was, and that would kind of work itself out. [00:02:17] And what's really neat is that God's worked in my life to kind of build a whole ministry in my life out of that. But yeah, like really humble means, South Jersey, really small, tiny, really Jesus-loving church that really shaped my siblings and I. I have Identical twin brother and three sisters. My parents were the kids' ministry leaders my whole life, and didn't even really retire until about maybe 10 years ago. So yeah, that was childhood. Laura Dugger: That's incredible. I've got a few follow-up questions. But first, before I even circle back to that, what was your own story of personally putting your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? Jonathan Pitts: You know, I would say my testimony is that I've tasted and seen that the Lord is good. It's that scripture I always go back to, because I grew up in a home where I don't really remember a day where I didn't know the Lord, or I didn't fear God, or I didn't at least seek to honor God and want to know Him and want to talk to Him. But I'm the kid that grew up in a Christian home that went off to college. [00:03:19] And when I got to college, I didn't literally say this, but in my mind I was like, Okay, I'm going to just kind of really taste and see what the world is like. I kind of grew up very, you know, pretty sheltered, pretty straight-laced kid in high school. I was an athlete. So playing sports. I was an Eagle Scout. I became an Eagle Scout at the age of 17. So I was kind of in a pretty like... I guess I'd call it pretty moral environment. And so I get to college and, you know, I'd never been really tested, I guess I'd say from a worldly perspective. And so when I got to college I kind of lived the life that many of my generation live, which is go to college and party. What I would say about my life is really quickly in that journey I realized... I kind of tasted a little bit of the world. And it tasted really bitter to me. It wasn't satisfying. There was nothing about it that was fulfilling. I'll spare you all the stories. But in general, I was kind of living this double life. I was in the gospel choir. I love this saying, I was in a very musical family. I was in the gospel choir. [00:04:18] My gospel choir leader was a man named Greg Ross, such a godly, humble man that was able to walk with college students where they are. And many of them oftentimes are kind of in this ambiguous expression of the Christians. They're trying to figure out what it means to be an adult, what it means to be a Christian. You know, it's like two steps forward, one step back, three steps forward, two steps back. He was a really patient man with me. Anyway, I was kind of living in two different worlds. And it's what's really beautiful for me is, you know, it was really kind of in relationship with my first wife that I was actually able to really rededicate my life to the Lord. Okay, I'm all in. I'm going after Him. I'm chasing after Him. And obviously that hasn't made me perfect, but it did give me a heart after the Lord that was always there. I think it was just a little bit covered up by just walking the ways of the world a little bit. So that's kind of a quick version. But I would say, even then, like the Lord never left me. He was always there. He actually loved me in my ambiguity. [00:05:17] I remember being in college and just partying, my roommates, my college roommates, who are some of my best friends to this day, but then like doing a Bible study with them. I actually ended up apologizing to one of my roommates a couple of years later for my hypocrisy and He was like, man... He actually... what's really beautiful is He saw Christ in me. I've actually had an opportunity to disciple Him over years. God's just really kind and generous and patient and long suffering with us, isn't He? Laura Dugger: Oh, that is a good word. And how amazing that it came back that way. And yet I'm wondering... I'd love to zero in on that time of life of college and young adult years. Because you brought up Wynter, who you met, I believe, during that time. So could you kind of unpack...? You've alluded to Wynter and then also alluded to her being a part of your testimony. You rededicating your life to the Lord and your ministry, I think you were saying, is what helped you with your identity. So can you unpack all of that within your young adult years? [00:06:25] Jonathan Pitts: Yeah. I'll try. I met Wynter. I was 21 years old. It was a couple of days after 9-11, we found ourselves at one of my really good friends, we were at a party. And it was kind of like 9-11 had just happened. So everybody was so sad. And so we're like trying to liven up. It was my buddy's birthday. So I actually met her at a party. I actually got her number because I'd seen her on campus but I'd never... I remember seeing her on campus a year prior to meeting her and being like, who is that? I've never met her before. I was just kind of intrigued by who she was. But I was like that guy that was like super. I never called her. I was just kind of scared to call her. She was friends with my friend, so he made the connection for us. But anyway, I never called her. But maybe like two weeks later, three weeks later, I was in a class and she actually... I think I write about this in my book, or we write about this in a marriage book we wrote. But she actually was kind of stalking me on campus. She knew where I had this class at. And she stopped me one day and she goes, "Why haven't you called me yet?" So I called her. [00:07:24] We went on our first date, which was Monsters Inc., the original Monsters Inc., which kind of dates me. And quite honestly, you know, we both kind of grew up in similar environments. She grew up with a single mom, but her mom got saved in 1980, the year she was born. And, you know, just really always was discipling her and encouraging her in the Lord. But she found herself in college the same as me, just trying to figure out who she was. I would say God used us in each other's lives to bring us really close to Him. Anyway, it was kind of interesting. We dated for seven months. I proposed to her seven months into dating. And we were then engaged for a year. And it was really in that engagement year... we were sharing stories like our background. We both grew up in really charismatic churches. We had a lot in common. Even like some of the trauma we had from our upbringings and some of the great things about our upbringings, all that. So we kind of connected over that. I would say our dating months and in the year of our engagement, God just really did a work on us to solidify who we were as individuals and who we were as a couple. [00:08:29] It was actually at her church, her childhood church that we both dedicated our lives to the Lord, which is really beautiful. I remember it to this day. We get married in June of 2003, which was the same month we graduated from Drexel University in Philadelphia, which is where we met. But I'll never forget about a year before we got married, I remember sitting down on her stoop. She was in kind of like a brownstone. She's in an apartment like a brownstone in Philly, a really beautiful place. And we're sitting on the stoop and she said to me, she said, "I want to write a book." I just kind of laughed at her. I said, "Write a book about what?" And she's like, "I don't know. I just want to write a book." And being the kind of self-righteous kid I was, I just said, "Well, you might want to figure out what you want to write a book about before you say you want to write a book." And she just kind of blew me off. Long story short, I'll kind of speed it up, we had our first daughter, Alena, in 2004. She was born less than a year after we got married. So she came pretty quick. We actually started our journey together after college in South Jersey, where I lived. [00:09:32] And I was in pharma sales and my company downsized. But they downsized at the same time that we actually went to Dallas to visit Wynter's family. Her uncle, Tony, who's a pastor in Dallas, Tony Evans, and her cousin, Priscilla Shire. It's this family that was a ministry dynasty that I kind of didn't even know who they were. So we went on vacation. But as God would have it, He would use that trip to change our lives because we'd go there with our, I think, eight month old baby at that time, Alena. And all of her cousins had kids. She had four cousins with kids. None of my family had kids at New Jersey. None of her family had kids. Her brother didn't have kids in Baltimore where she grew up. Long story short, her uncle was like, "Hey, I'm looking for a grant writer. You're a grant writer." Wynter was a grant writer by trade, pretty new. And I was looking for work. And so anyway, we said, "We'll try it for a year." We went to Texas. And really God would use Texas to shape her life, shape my life, our family, but really our ministry as well. [00:10:31] Wynter would begin writing. She'd begin kind of blogging and creating content. She did grant writing for a couple of years. Then she just decided... We had two daughters pretty quickly. And then after our second daughter, Ca…

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    Stories Series: Exciting Adventures Follow Radical Obedience with Susan Zobrist (Episode 247) Nov 25, 2024
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    *DISCLAIMER* This episode includes one portion with thematic descriptions, so please use discretion. 247. Stories Series: Exciting Adventures Follow Radical Obedience with Susan Zobrist **Transcription Below** Isaiah 30:21 (NIV) Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.” Questions We Discuss: When did you begin following Jesus as your Lord and Savior? How did life change after that point, including the highs and lows as you progressed in your Christian walk? What were some surprising adventures God called you into? Susan Zobrist serves as a Director at the South Side Christian Academy. She takes care of the daily routine needs at the school, teaches chapel, and oversees the student and family files. Her husband, Chad, serves as the board president in addition to his full time job. Chad and Susan have four adult daughters and four wonderful sons-in-law. They are settling into life with an empty nest and enjoying their grandchildren. South Side Christian Academy Previous Episode featuring Susan Zobrist on The Savvy Sauce: Following God's Leading with Susan Zobrist, Cassie Meiss, and Lisa Waibel Thank You to Our Sponsor: Midwest Food Bank Connect with The Savvy Sauce through Our Website Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: Thank you to an anonymous donor to Midwest Food Bank who paid the sponsorship fee in hopes of spreading awareness. Learn more about this amazing nonprofit organization at MidwestFoodBank.org. My delightful returning guest for today is Susan Zobrist. You may remember her from Episode 133, which I'll make sure to link in the show notes. But Susan is so wonderful that I wanted to invite her back so that she could elaborate on her testimony and the mighty ways that she's experienced God's gift of grace and timing. Susan is wife to Chad, mother to four adult married daughters, and grandmother to four grandchildren, who are all three and under. Susan is still the director at Southside Christian Academy, and now she's going to share some of her highs and lows of walking with the Lord over the past few decades, along with some incredible adventures that happened along the way. [00:01:31] I learn so much from Susan every time I'm in her presence, and I believe you're going to also end this time more inspired to obey God in whatever call He's putting on your life currently. Here's our chat. Welcome back to The Savvy Sauce, Susan. Susan Zobrist: Thank you for having me back. Laura Dugger: Well, last time you were on the podcast you were sharing more about your current work with Southside Christian Academy. But today I want to go back a little bit further. So will you begin by telling us about your upbringing? Susan Zobrist: Sure. I grew up in a home where I had a mom and a dad, a brother and a sister who were both older than me. We did attend church. My mom played the organ. My dad was involved. I don't ever recall hearing a clear message of God's love for me and that He was pursuing me and wanted a relationship with me. And combine that with the confusing message and messed up example of love I was seeing in my home. I was pretty confused about what God thought of me. [00:02:38] My mom loved me deeply. She cared very well for me. My dad came and went for many years of my life. My parents ultimately divorced when I was 16. I can look back and see ways in that season that God was pursuing me through different people and through different situations. He provided a really sweet glimpse of a wonderful example of what a family should look like by a neighbor family that really took me in. Even when my parents were getting their divorce, they had moved overseas, and they actually invited me over there for two weeks while my parents worked through the details of that. So that family just kind of did begin to show me what a Christian family looked like and how siblings should live and how parents love their children and were an example of that. He also gave me a snapshot of several students around me as I was growing up who seemed to live a lot differently than I did. [00:03:39] They lived with joy and peace. I knew it was something that was attractive, but I wasn't ready to give up control of my life at that point. The Lord was truly pursuing me, and really He could have filled every void that I was feeling, but I didn't care to get to know Him at that time. So I pursued every option the world would have to offer—popularity, boys, drinking, toxic relationships, allowing mental and physical damage to my body. And all these things have left scars in my life, and they never satisfied what I was truly seeking. It wasn't until about 19 years old when I began to see signs of the Lord really starting to pursue me. Laura Dugger: There was one thing that you said that I wanted to go back to. You said in your family how love was distorted. Will you elaborate on that? Did you mean between your parents or other relationships? [00:04:41] Susan Zobrist: The view of love that was displayed in my home, my parents... actually, my dad—had several affairs while I was growing up. There were times when my dad would move out for a little bit, but then come back, and it looked like everything was going to be great again. And my dad, he was the type of person who gave me everything I wanted, so I kind of sided with him generally. And there my mom was, steady and hurting and sad. But then my dad would come back in and recommit, and things looked like they were going to be just fine again. So this cycle continued probably from when I was 3 years old to 16 years old. So that was what the view of family, to me, looked like. Laura Dugger: Thank you so much for sharing and clarifying. That makes more sense in those pivotal years developing as a daughter and seeing this as your dad, which a lot of times we hear our dad is the first picture of what we imagine our Heavenly Father to be, even when that's not true. [00:05:49] At this point, did you put your faith in Christ first, or did you meet your now-husband, Chad, first? Susan Zobrist: I met Chad first. I praised God that I started to realize that God was pursuing me in very small ways. I would get a little bit more of a glimpse of a relationship that looked attractive to me, or people who were, like I said, living with joy and peace in their lives, and I was starting to become curious. After a hard relationship, I made a declaration that the next person I dated I was going to marry. Mind you, I was still not following the Lord at this time. So about a year and a half before I was saved, I met a guy. Actually, I had known this guy for quite some time because I was really good friends with his cousin. Mind you, he was six years older than me. So up till this point, there was no... you know, it wouldn't have been appropriate for us to have been together. [00:06:53] So when I first saw him and saw that he was interested in me, I thought, "Wow, this is the guy I'm going to marry because I declared this is who I'm going to marry." So our relationship became serious pretty quickly. We met at a party. We spent a lot of time together and quickly became very comfortable with each other. I was still seeking ways to fill the emptiness and heal pain that I was carrying, and our relationship was not one that was moral, but we enjoyed each other. He was kind. It felt good. Interestingly enough, Chad had been attending a church, and a little bit into our relationship, he invited me to join him. And so we went to church very faithfully. Our lives weren't changing at this point, but we were hearing the truth, and it was apparently penetrating our hearts. One day, about a year and a half into our relationship, there was a clear message of God's love spoken. There was an invitation at the end to put your hope and faith in Jesus Christ. [00:07:58] And while the pastor prayed, we both squeezed each other's hands on notes to the other, indicating that today was the day that we would be saved. If you've come to know the Lord, you know that there is an immediate just presence of the Lord that comes, and there's a lot of work to do after that, throwing off the old and putting on new. And it's not an easy process, but it's one that He promises to do with us. So like I said, I knew I was going to marry Chad right away, and I'm so thankful that we did. We got married. Laura Dugger: I love hearing the origins and knowing both of you now. When did you find out that he knew that you were also the one he was going to marry? Because you knew right away, so when was it clear to him? Susan Zobrist: Actually, that month that we were both saved and became followers of Jesus, that month he decided that he was going to ask me to marry him. [00:09:00] So that was in October of 1994, and that was a really exciting time for both of us. We were engaged and planned a date to be married in 10 months. We were diligently planning. We were nervous, and we were eager and seeking immediate and drastic changes in our lives, and especially in our physical relationship. That was something that we were like, okay, we know we had not made good choices, so we had committed to stopping the things that we were doing that were dishonoring to the Lord, and we're going to pursue to have a godly relationship until we got married. We were engaged that same month, planned our wedding. We committed to these really major changes in our lives and seeking out Christian friends. We were studying the Bible, and we were doing the things that we felt the Lord leading us to do. And those changes that He wanted us to make were so clear at that time. We had hope. We were excited, and we just really felt like forgiven people, and it was such a blessing. [00:10:04] We took very seriously the verses in 2 Peter 1:5-8, to make every effort to add to our faith goodness, and to goodness knowledge, and to knowledge self-control, and to self-control perseverance, and to perseverance godliness, and to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. That if we possess these qualities in increasing measure, they would keep us from being ineffective and unproductive in our knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. That was something we were serious about growing in. For the most part, those months were so sweet and so good. It felt like we were doing a lot of just reorganizing in our lives. We had a tricky situation come up that we had stepped away from a lot of our friendships that were difficult for us to maintain. But someone in our life that was from that season was getting married in Chicago, and so we decided to go and knew that it would be quite challenging. [00:11:11] I think we thought we could do anything at this point and put ourselves in situations that were challenging because we were so on fire for the Lord, but unfortunately, we went to the wedding, we made one mistake physically, and we got tripped up and I ended up pregnant during our engagement. Six weeks after that intimate moment we found out we were pregnant. We were already engaged to be married in August, and this was in May when I found out I was pregnant. I'd never been so crushed, so embarrassed, and so ashamed in all my life. And remember, I'd done a lot of horrible things, but I'd never cared. I was a Christian. I was staring at a life-changing, sinful situation that was going to have many consequences. I really didn't know God well enough at this point to understand that I was still loved and could be forgiven. [00:12:13] And so we were going to have a baby, and we were going to have to tell our new Christian community, which felt devastating. I do praise God, though, that instead of staying in a place of shame and guilt, we learned what it meant to be truly forgiven by God and by people who followed Him closely and understood the message of forgiveness. I'll never forget telling some of the dearest people who wept with us and then committed to really walking with us in discipleship. And so we entered that new phase, and we dealt with the shame and humiliation that it brought, but understood truly what grace looked like and realized we weren't going to be perfect. Laura Dugger: Thank you so much for sharing that piece. I wonder how many people can relate. And yet it's so crazy to get to sit here and know Hannah today and her amazing life and your relationship and the way things are decades later. [00:13:21] You've said the word "grace". Just grace upon grace. So lif…

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    Theology and Discipleship: Special Patreon Release with Ken Baugh Nov 18, 2024
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    Special Patreon Release: Theology and Discipleship with Ken Baugh

    Colossians 3:1 (NIV) Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

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    Ken Baugh was a successful pastor before a crippling experience of burnout disrupted his career and set him on a journey to better understand the dynamics of spiritual health. With a DMin from Talbot Theological Seminary, Ken is the founder and CEO of IDT Ministries.

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    Gospel Scripture: (all NIV)

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

    Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”

    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”

    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

    Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”

    Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.”

    Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“

    Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“

    Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”


    Stories Series: Experiencing God's Tangible Love with Jen Moore (Episode 246) Nov 11, 2024
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    246. Stories of God's Tangible Love with Jen Moore Isaiah 7:10-11 MSG "God spoke again to Ahaz. This time he said, "Ask for a sign from your GOD. Ask anything. Be extravagant. Ask for the moon!" **Transcription Below** Questions and Topics We Discuss: Will you walk us through your love story and experience becoming a mother to so many daughters? Did you have any warnings that things were about to drastically change? What unexpected event happened next? Jen Moore is a beloved daughter of God, wife, and homeschooling mom. God wrote her story in ways she did not expect, but she worships Him through every chapter He continues to write. Thank You to Our Sponsor: Sam Leman Eureka Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.” Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.” John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession- to the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“ Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“ Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” **Transcription** [00:00:00] <music> Laura Dugger: Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here. [00:00:18] <music> Laura Dugger: The principles of honesty and integrity that Sam Leman founded his business on continue today, over 55 years later, at Sam Leman Chevrolet Eureka. Owned and operated by the Bertschi Family, Sam Leman in Eureka appreciates the support they've received from their customers all over central Illinois and beyond. Visit them today at LemanGM.com. Jen Moore is my guest today. We've only known each other for about a year, but she's the type of person you can just dive into deep conversation with immediately. One of the first times I remember that we were hanging out for a park date, and she shared a bit of her journey with me and it has just stuck with me for months. So I invited her here today to share it in more detail with all of us. Here's our chat. Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Jen. [00:01:19] Jen Moore: I'm so happy to be here, Laura. Thanks for having me. Laura Dugger: Well, will you just start us off by telling me about your upbringing, and share even how you first encountered Jesus Christ. Jen Moore: So I grew up in Miami, Florida, into a family that immigrated from Guatemala. My parents did the best they could with the circumstances they had to conquer. I was raised in a Hispanic Baptist church. When I was a teenager, we started attending a Pentecostal church. Even with attending the church for various activities three days a week, I would say I did not encounter Jesus well into my adulthood. I had a brief hiatus from the Lord after moving out of my parents' house. When I came back to Christ, I really got to experience the love of the Father in various ways. Laura Dugger: I love hearing people's backgrounds, so thank you for sharing that. Next, will you also walk us through your love story and your experience of becoming a mother to so many daughters? [00:02:24] Jen Moore: Yeah, I like to use our love story as the fun fact when we go to parties, because our story is unique. Andy and I got married to each other twice. We got married really young, at the age of 19 and 25, after meeting through a mutual friend that was interning in his engineering office. We got married and moved in and got pregnant all within our first year. So it's a lot. We started our family, and of course, a lot of trauma and childhood issues arose, which led to divorce, where we were either confronted on healing or avoiding and hurting someone else in the future. But God was so gracious and picked us to redeem our story, and we remarried. And guess what? We remarried and we continued to have more babies. [00:03:24] It was a hard and fast love story. I loved being his wife and his biggest supporter as he grew in his career and all his adventures. Laura Dugger: Wow. There's so much even in that. How many years was it between your divorce and then your remarriage to each other? Jen Moore: It was a year being divorced, so it was two years we were not married, technically. But we said we sucked at being divorced because we were always together. It was just deeper issues that kind of led to that. I'm just grateful for the redemption story just within that marriage of how God chose us to be together after Him coming into our lives and healing and repairing our hearts. Laura Dugger: Wow. And so you and Andy were both walking with the Lord now at this point and had how many daughters right then? [00:04:26] Jen Moore: So we were married for seven years and had three at that point — three beautiful girls. And then we got divorced, and after that we were separated for about a year. And then we got remarried and worked together for an additional three years and had two more daughters. So in total, it was about 12 years together. Laura Dugger: Wow. Did you have any warnings that things were about to drastically change? Jen Moore: Yes. I had kind of this unrelenting anxiety and fear that someone in my close circle, immediate family, was about to die. It was either one of the girls or it was Andy. But it seemed like everywhere I looked, there were stories of hardship and grief that surrounded me. [00:05:26] I had this pressure to know all the answers about how the house ran and what our finances looked like and what we had in savings and life insurance. It was one of those things that I wrestled with. It was hard to live with that anxiety, especially trying to balance if it's just me, this unhealthy pattern, or I was only five, six weeks postpartum, so maybe it was hormones. But even then I tried to control the narrative by having Andy eat healthier, or I got those Owlet monitors for the baby so I could track how she's breathing and sleeping through the night. Even then, God's plan was and is far greater than mine. Now, looking back, maybe it was one of God's many graces as he worked to prepare my heart for one of the most unexpected things that was to come. [00:06:26] Laura Dugger: We'll leave this story hanging for just a moment because I'd love to know what's a picture of your life at that time. That was the internal anxieties. But all of your girls' ages, and you and Andy, are you working or what was kind of the day-to-day? Jen Moore: Yeah. He had just sold off his engineering business to a bigger company that was coming into the area, so he was in the throes of getting more clients and building up their company. So he worked five days a week, long days, pretty filled with meetings and trips and all that. I stayed home with the girls. I think [Kalia?] was 11, maybe 10 going to be 11, and then stair-stepped from there, 7. And then Penelope was 5, I think. [00:07:28] And then Frankie was just going to turn 2, and then Weather was only 6 weeks old. So I stayed home with them. I homeschooled them at home. I mean, we just lived a pretty simple life of, you know, just home and school and church. Laura Dugger: Well, and this next part is more difficult to get through, but what is the unexpected event that happened next? Jen Moore: So, on March 10, 2020, when the world was entering the era of COVID, I entered into widowhood as my sweet husband went to be with Jesus. It started out, of course, as a normal morning. I'm prepping breakfast with the girls, and I'm nursing the baby. I'm homeschooling the older girls. I hadn't heard from Andy in a few hours, but I knew he was away on a business trip in Alabama. [00:08:34] We lived in the panhandle of Florida at that time. The next thing I knew, I got a call. And it's one of those calls on your phone where you just know you have to answer. And it was from the local hospital in the town that he was on his business trip with. They told me that Andy was in a car accident with a logger truck and he was in critical condition and that I had to hurry and get there as fast as possible. So I hurried and took the girls to a friend's house, except the baby, who was a newborn and I drove the few hours away. But along the way, I knew it wasn't a 'critical condition' situation. I just knew he died. To be honest, it was the biggest and most greatest fear that I ever had in my life. [00:09:39] It was the one that I always went back to when I was really scared. What would I do if Andy died? How would I support the family? How would I move forward? And right there in front of me, it became a reality. As I pulled back the hospital curtains and saw my husband just bruised and battered, laying on the hospital bed. You know, I've never experienced my knees completely being weak, but they buckled when I saw him. And all I remember is, all I had the strength was to crawl over to him and just hold his hand. Laura Dugger: Jen, it makes me so emotional. Just the humility of you to share such a sacred space and time with us. And I'm sure we're all feeling the collective... I'm so sorry. So your big fear had just become a reality. What did it look like after that? [00:10:55] Jen Moore: Yeah, no one really prepares you for that. I mean, it's not something you expect to be walking in at the age of 31. You know, just what does that even look like? I remember being at the hospital and then just staying there for several hours, mostly because I didn't know what to do. Nobody told me, now you go home, now you find a funeral home, now you do this, now you do that. The thought of just leaving him there was unimaginable. It's not something that I wanted to do, but I was not... I mean, even my parents and the friends that I had there, we all just kind of looked at each other like, now what? But God is just so good. [00:11:56] I mean, we always fall back on this verse, Psalms 34:18 says, "The Lord is close to the brokenhearted. He rescues those whose spirits are crushed." As I entered a season of early, deep, heart-wrenching grief, I got to experience God quite like I never had before. Laura Dugger: And how did God reveal Himself, especially in those early days of grief? Jen Moore: God's just so faithful and He's so good. Like I said, it was my biggest fear. I had basically let Andy have this career and I just supported the household. Getting married at 19, I didn't go back to school. I just had babies and became a mother. And so my biggest fear was how to support these kids. Like, what are we going to do now? Now what? [00:12:56] Do I have to go get a job? What does that look like? So the first way he showed up was he was on a work trip. So it was considered like a worker's compensation claim, which I never even registered in my mind. But there was all these things that I had to learn. And with a claim like that, you can choose your state in which you claim it in. The accident was elsewhere and we lived in Florida. So we either claim it Florida or the accident was in Alabama. It was vastly different, the claims. In Florida, they give you a one-time payout, which would have covered a couple of years. But in Alabama, they give you a payout of over 60% of his pay for 10 years. Andy was if it happened in an intersection, if you would have happened in the next one, it would have been Florida. [00:14:02] He was four miles away from the state line. So when the employer showed this to me, everyone was just speechless. Like, do you know what this means? And I just looked at him like, God, that's God. That's God taking care of me. I'm excited and I'm rejoicing not because my husband's dead, but because look at what God did. Four mile difference of me being able to care for my kids just a little bit longer than if it would have happened in Florida. So that was one way. There was another time where the days of widowhood, I remember you don't realize how empty and cold your bed feels until your husband's gone for a really long time. And I just wanted to feel a hug, the weight of, you know, having someone hold me and feeling that warmth. [00:15:03] I just remember praying, God, I just want to feel held by somebody. I know I feel held by you, but I just would love that physical feeling of being held. And then that day, a girl from my small group that really... I mean, we didn't have a great close relationship. We knew of each other, but it wasn't like a deep friendship. She showed up with a weighted blanket. And that was such a gift for so many months of just having that weight on me. It was like a hug every single night. Between that and heating pad, I mean, it really made those days just a little bit easier to get through. Just a little less cold. You know, that reminder not being so in your face at night, especially with the darkness of the night, you know. Andy was a flower giver. He loved showing up with flowers, and I love receiving flowers. [00:16:05] And for my birthday, I just remember being like, "All I want, God, that's all I want. I just want flowers, just flowers like Andy would give me. And a friend would be so faithful to ans…

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