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Crypto Twitter Says Bear, Wall Street Says Bull with Framework Ventures founders Nov 14, 2025

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Crypto Twitter thinks we're in a bear market. Wall Street thinks we're in a bull run. Who's right?

In this episode, we sit down with Michael Anderson and Vance Spencer, founders of Framework Ventures, to discuss why every LP is asking about stablecoin exposure, why the four-year cycle narrative is fundamentally broken, and whether the Hyperliquid unlock is actually bullish.

We discuss:

- Why Every LP Is Asking About Stablecoin Exposure

- The Four-Year Cycle Narrative Is Fundamentally Broken

- Uniswap's Revenue Share: Four Years Too Late

- RWA Looping vs Recursive Lending Explained

- The Dangerous Rise of Opaque Off-Chain Fund Managers

- Why Staking ETFs Just Killed The DAT Thesis

- Build A Business Model Or Die

- Is The Hyperliquid Unlock Actually Bullish?

00:00 Intro

02:22 Every LP Wants Stablecoin Exposure Now

04:49 The Wallstreetification of Crypto

07:15 Build A Business Model Or Pivot

09:26 Crypto's Oversell Thesis Explained

11:12 Relay Ad, Hibachi Ad

14:05 RWA Looping: The New Leverage Game

18:52 The Curated Lending Market Path Forward

23:44 Rehypothecation Risk Analysis

25:40 Alvara Ad, Talus Ad

28:20 Uniswap's Revenue Meta Mistake: 4 Years Too Late

33:40 The Double Dipping Era

38:07 Staking ETFs Kill The DAT Thesis

42:49 Hyperliquid's Bullish Unlock Theory

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𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘤𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘦𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦. 𝘈𝘵 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘭, 𝘸𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴.

The Two Stablecoin Models That Will Dominate with Sam Kazemian Nov 13, 2025

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Payment rails vs yield-bearing vaults—the stablecoin landscape is undergoing a fundamental shift.

In this episode of Stabled Up, we sit down with Sam Kazemian, founder of Frax Finance, to discuss why genius regulation changes everything, how Frax's clearinghouse strategy works for compliant stablecoins, and why Western Union and JPMorgan are making stablecoin moves.

We discuss:

- The Two Types of Stablecoins Framework

- Why Genius Regulation Changes Everything

- Frax's Clearinghouse Strategy for Compliant Stables

- DeFi Blowups & Lessons Learned

- Western Union & JPMorgan's Stablecoin Moves

- White Label Issuance Infrastructure

- Tokenized RWAs as Stablecoin Collateral

00:00 Intro

01:04 Sam's FOMO & Conference Circuit

02:00 Fraxnet Launch & DeFi Blowups

04:14 Recursive Lending vs Rehypothecation

07:23 Separating Risk Analysis from Allocation

09:24 Genius Act's Broader Impact

13:30 The Stablecoin Spectrum Explained

14:21 Payment vs Savings Stablecoins

17:52 Checking & Savings as Economic Forms

19:21 Stablecoins Meet RWAs

20:44 10x Yield Efficiency Gains

25:01 Tokenized Collateral Architecture

25:45 TrueUSD Dubai News Break

26:31 Frax's Genius Compliance Bet

28:10 White Label Issuance Vision

29:43 Target Sectors for Stablecoin Launches

31:06 Institutional Inflection Point

33:13 The Seats at the Table Metaphor

34:01 Frax's Ethlend to Aave Moment

37:06 Closing Thoughts

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Why 25% of Argentina Now Holds Crypto with Diego Fernandez Nov 12, 2025

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70 years of inflation turned stablecoins into a lifeline for millions of Argentinians.

In this episode of Money Moves Fast, we sit down with Diego Fernandez from Sovra to discuss how 20-25% of Argentinians now hold crypto, why stablecoins beat traditional bank accounts in Buenos Aires, and what Argentina's experience teaches us about the future of money in high-inflation economies.

We discuss:

- How 20-25% of Argentinians Now Hold Crypto

- Why Stablecoins Beat Bank Accounts in Buenos Aires

- Mexico's Large-Scale Decentralized ID System

- The Fight Against Centralized Digital Identity

- Why Private Blockchains Are "The Intranet of the 90s"

- Building Financial Rails on Ethereum's Security

00:00 Intro

00:37 Argentina's Economic Survival

02:46 Buenos Aires Safety Guide

05:14 70 Years of Inflation

10:11 Alvah Ad, Talus Ad, Relay Ad

11:15 Florida Avenue's "Arbolitos"

11:57 Crypto Payment Landscape

15:42 Point-of-Sale Stablecoin Adoption

18:05 Abstracting Crypto for Consumers

20:11 Mexico's Decentralized ID Launch

24:26 Console Ad, Hibachi Ad

25:15 Verifiable Privacy vs Government Control

28:44 Final Thoughts on ETHConnect Buenos Aires

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Chainlink Co-Founder: Why Institutions Will 100x The Crypto Industry (And What Comes Next...) Nov 10, 2025

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Institutions chose Chainlink and there's a $70B reason why.

In this episode, we sit down with Sergey Nazarov, co-founder of Chainlink, to discuss why Chainlink stayed online when AWS went down, how the digital transfer agent unlocks tokenized assets, and why DeFi and TradFi will merge into one system powered by smart contracts.

We discuss:

- Why Chainlink stayed online when AWS went down

- The digital transfer agent unlocking tokenized assets

- UBS & Central Bank of Brazil live transactions

- Institutional smart contracts explained

- How DeFi and TradFi will merge into one system

- The 363 days vs the 2 days that matter

- Why Chainlink is ISO & SOC compliant

00:00 Intro

00:37 Near Ad

01:28 Why Chainlink Stayed Online When AWS Went Down

02:04 The Digital Transfer Agent Unlocking Tokenized Assets

04:38 UBS & Central Bank of Brazil: Live Institutional Transactions

06:37 Institutional Smart Contracts Explained

10:13 Relay Ad, Talus Ad, Hibachi Ad

10:55 Telus & Hibachi Ads

11:58 How DeFi and TradFi Merge Into One System

16:02 The 363 Days vs The 2 Days That Matter

18:56 Why Chainlink Is ISO & SOC Compliant

21:22 Enso Ad, Alvara Ad

22:56 Build & Alvar Ads

24:20 Institutional Security & Compliance Standards

27:45 The Digital Asset Revolution Already Started

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Who Owns Your Data in the AI Era? with Terence Kwok from Humanity Protocol Nov 09, 2025

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Data ownership is the battleground of our AI future and most people don't even know they're in the fight.

In this episode of AI Supercycle, we sit down with Terence Kwok, founder of Humanity Protocol, to discuss how user-owned verified credentials work, why privacy-preserving identity solutions matter for AI, and how Mastercard's integration proves enterprises are ready for this shift.

We discuss:

- Fresh Mastercard Integration Announcement

- User-Owned Verified Credentials

- Privacy-Preserving Identity Solutions

- Banking Data Without Oversharing

- ZK Proofs for Credential Verification

- AI Agents & Identity Access Control

- Web2 vs Web3 Identity Infrastructure

00:00 Intro

00:37 Near Ad

01:28 Humanity Protocol Overview

02:04 AI's Identity Crisis Explained

04:38 Privacy-Preserving Trust Layer Architecture

06:37 Taking Back Data Ownership

10:13 Relay Ad, Talus Ad, Hibachi Ad

10:55 Telus & Hibachi Ads

11:58 Mastercard Partnership Details Revealed

16:02 Human ID Vision: What It Enables

16:57 Future of Digital Identity Infrastructure

18:56 Big Tech's Data Monopoly Problem

20:14 OpenAI's $1T IPO Context

21:22 Enso Ad, Alvara Ad

22:56 Build & Alvar Ads

24:20 Security & ZK Proof Infrastructure

27:45 AI Agents & Data Sharing Economics

28:50 Humanity's Growth Metrics

30:28 Mastercard's 300M+ Addressable Market

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Why Every Lawmaker In America Should Be Pro-Crypto with Cody Carbone Nov 08, 2025

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The journey from knocking on doors to passing the GENIUS Act, this is how crypto won Washington.

In this episode of Stabled Up, we sit down with Cody Carbone from the Digital Chamber to discuss his seven-year journey advocating for crypto in DC, why the banking lobby's fight against stablecoins is already over, and how the GENIUS Act changes everything for American innovation.

We discuss:

- How Perianne Boring changed everything for crypto advocacy

- The Facebook Libra moment that sparked DC's interest

- Seven years of door-knocking that paid off

- The Streamline Act breakdown

- Stablecoin perception evolution in Congress

- Market structure vs bill reality check

- Crypto as a single-issue vote in politics

- The consumer protection paradox

- GENIUS Act implementation phase

- Banking lobby vs yield-bearing stablecoins

- TradFi adopting crypto infrastructure

00:00 Intro

00:37 Frax Ad

01:07 How Perianne Boring Changed Everything

02:46 The Facebook Libra Moment

04:31 Seven Years of Door-Knocking

07:08 The Streamline Act Breakdown

09:56 Stablecoin Perception Evolution

14:41 Market Structure vs Bill Reality Check

18:38 Talus Ad, Relay Ad, Alvara Ad

19:38 The Consumer Protection Paradox

24:37 GENIUS Act Implementation Phase

27:09 Hibachi Ad, Enso Ad

28:08 TradFi Adopting Crypto Infrastructure

32:17 How Businesses Can Prepare

35:07 Closing Thoughts

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How Polygon Became the Payment Chain Processing $1B+ with Sam Fagin Nov 07, 2025

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The moment crypto has been waiting for is finally here and Stripe just validated it.

In this episode of Money Moves Fast, we sit down with Sam Fagin from Polygon to discuss why Stripe and major remittance players chose Polygon, how they're processing over $1 billion in stablecoin payments, and why privacy vs transparency matters more than enterprises realize.

We discuss:

- Why Stripe & Major Remittance Players Chose Polygon

- Processing $1B+ in Stablecoin Payments

- How 5,000 TPS Compares to Visa & Mastercard

- Solving Real Problems: FX Risk, Pre-Funding & Settlement

- Flutterwave's African Payments Solution

- The Path to $3T Stablecoin Market Cap

- Privacy vs. Transparency: What Enterprises Actually Want

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:32 The Moment We've Been Waiting For

01:47 Why $1B+ Flows Through Polygon Now

03:55 Real Enterprise Use Cases Emerging

04:35 The Pear Upgrade: Matching Visa Scale

05:39 Balancing Scale & Sustainability

06:49 Winning as a Jets Fan (Brief Tangent)

08:12 Does Blockchain Tech Really Matter to Users?

09:11 Hibachi Ad, Talus Ad, Alvara Ad

09:40 Dormant Capital & Yield Solutions

11:25 The Unsexy Use Cases That Actually Win

13:05 Dominating the 2030s Stablecoin Race

14:37 Capital Velocity & Distribution Advantages

15:36 Relay Ad, Enso Ad

16:11 Bullish & Bearish Takes on Polygon

18:53 Privacy as a Feature, Not a Bug

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Why Every Fintech Is Racing To Launch Stablecoins with Rodri Fernandez Nov 04, 2025

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Every fintech is racing to launch stablecoins, and MoneyGram proved it can happen in just 2 months.

In this episode of Money Moves Fast, Rob sits down with Rodri Fernandez, CEO of Crossmint, to discuss why 80% of crypto apps are breaking the law, how MoneyGram transformed in 2 months, and why stablecoins have no contest against traditional payment rails.

We discuss:

- How MoneyGram Transformed in 2 Months

- Why 80% of Crypto Apps Are Breaking the Law

- AI Agents as Economic Actors

- The Dollarization of Emerging Markets

- Building Compliant Infrastructure at Scale

- Stablecoins vs Traditional Rails: No Contest

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:17 Money 2020 Takeaways: What's Actually Happening

03:27 MoneyGram's Stablecoin Transformation in 2 Months

06:22 Why Traditional Fintechs Are Moving Now

08:41 Wallet UX Evolution: Making Crypto Invisible

12:02 The Path to Fintech-Crypto Convergence

14:53 Talus Ad, Relay Ad, Hibachi Ad

16:02 Scaling Stablecoin Infrastructure for Billions

17:51 Innovation Sequence & Market Evolution

19:54 Stablecoin Issuance vs Infrastructure: The Real Business

22:38 The Biggest 0 to 1 Still Missing

26:27 AI Agents & Stablecoin Payments: The Convergence

30:18 Generic Commerce Use Cases Emerging

31:10 Enso Ad, Alvara Ad

31:34 Why Fiat Rails Can't Support AI Agents

34:04 Closing Thoughts

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Rollup TV: Aria Protocol, Money Moves Fast EP 8, Crossmint Nov 04, 2025

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The AI Rotation Is On (And What's Coming Next) - Good Brothers Nov 02, 2025

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AI agents are starting to earn, spend, and redefine what currency means and Post Fiat is building the infrastructure for it.

In this episode, Rob sits down with Alexander Good and Travis Good, founders of Post Fiat, to discuss why AI needs proof-of-work, the Palantir playbook for crypto, and how hive minds compound capital together through AI agents.

- Post Fiat: Turning Retail Investors Into An Intelligence Network

- Ambient: Why AI Needs Proof-of-Work

- The Palantir Playbook for Crypto

- How Hive Minds Compound Capital Together

- Credibly Neutral AI vs. CCP & OpenAI Control

- Why GPU Miners Need Different Economics

- Compliance, Privacy & Trading With AI Agents

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:53 Alex's Post Fiat Announcement: The Vision

04:34 XRP Fork & Messaging System Architecture

08:52 AI as Principal & Humans as Agents (The Role Reversal)

09:23 Travis's Ambient Announcement: Proof-of-Work for AI

16:24 Talus Ad, Relay Ad, Hibachi Ad

17:07 Why AI Needs Proof-of-Work Economics

21:09 Protocol Synergies: How They Fit Together

25:34 Post Fiat's Task Node System Explained

28:14 How Users Contribute & Earn

32:00 Enso Ad, Alvara Ad

32:30 Refactored Task Node Launch Details

33:07 Private Models & Compliance Challenges

35:07 AI-Powered Validator Selection

40:53 Currency Redefined By AI Consensus

42:13 Models as Information Gatekeepers

44:16 Credibly Neutral AI Infrastructure: Why It Matters

44:57 Agents Need Trustless Systems to Operate

46:34 Closing Thoughts

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