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    The Partial Historians

    Join Dr Rad and Dr G as we discuss, spar, and laugh our way through different aspects of the ancient Roman world! Our main series ‘From the Foundation of the City’ follows Roman history year by year from the traditional foundation date of 753 BCE. We also interview academics and specialists from around the globe for their insights into history and the representation of Rome and the ancient Mediterranean in popular culture. Dr Fiona Radford is an expert on Rome on film and wrote her thesis on Kubrick’s Spartacus. Dr Radford is exponent of not only Ancient History, but also Reception Studies. Dr Peta Greenfield is an expert on the Vestal Virgins. Dr Greenfield’s research interests include: religion and politics in Rome, the late republic and Augustan period, and the role of women.


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    The Robe (1953) Apr 06, 2023
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    The Robe (1953) is a cinematic classic of Golden Age Hollywood. With its mix of ancient Rome and early Christianity, it was a winner with audiences around the globe. In this special episode, we tap into Dr Rad's expertise in reception in film and come to grips with the power of The Robe!Special Episode – The RobeA Challenging ContextIt was tricky to deal with modern political issues in this era of Hollywood under the influence of HUAC (the House Un-American Activities Committee). For the makers of The Robe, which explicitly dealt with the life of Jesus under the Romans, there were additional challenges due to the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. Returning to the Old Testament was often a safer bet for Hollywood films.The rights to The Robe were initially purchased by RKO, before finally being canceled in 1948. It found a new home at 20th Century Fox. The fact that The Robe was in production for a long time has raised some interesting questions about the impact of historical context.The script was initially written by Albert Maltz, one of the infamous Hollywood Ten. The original script does seem to touch on blacklist themes. In Caligula’s original speech at the end of the film he refers to the “sedition” of the Christians and Marcellus has to deny that he is involved in a conspiracy to overthrow the state. This sounds eerily close to the experience of Hollywood Communists, who were generally not radicals trying to seize control of the government. There were also more references to the naming of names in Maltz’s version of The Robe…People protesting in favour of the Hollywood Ten. Source: Encyclopaedia Britannica.HUAC and The RobeBut HUAC lay in his future, as Maltz only worked on this project from 1942-1946. As Smith (2005) has highlighted, while Maltz could not have worked HUAC references into the script before his HUAC experiences, it is possible that the tension over Communism still shaped his draft. There were moves against Communism before the Second Red Scare that swept America in the late 1940s and 1950s, such as the actions of the Tenney Committee in the early 1940s, or the foundation of the right-wing Motion Picture Alliance for American Ideals.Or perhaps Maltz was more focused on providing a critique of Italian fascism, given the backdrop of World War II? Maltz wrote Cloak and Dagger (1947) immediately after The Robe, which definitely took aim at Italian fascism, whilst exalting the resistance from the Communists. He would also write Crossfire (1947), a film that tackled issues of anti-Semitism within the USA.Film poster for Cloak and Dagger (1947)Is it possible that the next screenwriter to work on The Robe worked in some sick burns? Phillip Dunne followed Maltz and would eventually receive sole credit for the film, thanks to the blacklist. He was known to be a liberal and helped to establish the Committee for the First Amendment. This group formed in reaction to the HUAC hearings in 1947. Fellow members included other Hollywood luminaries such as William Wyler, Lucille Ball, Lauren Bacall, Bette Davis and Dorothy Daindridge.However, Dunne was not a Communist; quite the opposite. He may have intended The Robe to be a veiled criticism of HUAC, but he may also have seen the repression of the Romans as being akin to Stalin and the Communist regime.ReferencesReinhartz, A. (2013). BibleandCinema:FiftyKeyFilms. Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203083260Richards, J. (2008). Hollywood’s Ancient Worlds. Continuum.Smith, J. (2005). ‘Are You Now or Have You Ever Been a Christian?: The Strange History of The Robe As Political Allegory‘, Film Studies, Winter: 7, 1-15.A lobby card for The RobeAutomated TranscriptProvided by Otter AIDr Rad 0:16Welcome to the Partial Historians, we explore all the details of ancient Rome. Everything from the political scandals, the love of ours, the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. Rad.Dr G 0:34And I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Romans saw it by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories. Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city.Dr Rad 1:03Welcome to a special episode of The Partial Historians, I am one of your hosts, Dr. Rad.Dr G 1:10And I am a somewhat healthy, Dr. G.Dr Rad 1:15I know this is true dedication, Patreons, Dr G has been suffering from the vid.Dr G 1:22I've been on my deathbed. But I've bounced back. Thank goodness.Dr Rad 1:27It was Rome that calls you for and said live live another day.Dr G 1:33And one must always follow the commands of Rome. And here I am. as ever.Dr Rad 1:39Well, I suppose luckily, or unluckily. I'm not sure. We're not doing our normal narrative today. But instead, we're taking a journey into Hollywood land, which could be good for a sick person, or maybe not.Dr G 1:54I look, I think it's gonna be it's gonna be good. I'm excited for this golden era. Hollywood is one of my favorite times in Hollywood.Dr Rad 2:03We all love it. We all adore it. So let's get into this special episode where we get to talk all about The Robe 1953.Dr G 2:50What a film. I mean, I think the best thing about it is Richard Burton.Dr Rad 2:54Definitely let's let's give a bit of a cast rundown. So in typical Partial Historians fashion, we're doing this slightly backwards in that we looked at the sequel first. But that was only for our Patreon. So for everybody else, we're just doing The Robe. So first of all, we have Richard Burton playing the lead male character Marcellus Gallio.Dr G 3:19A fine specimen of a young Roman if I ever saw one.Dr Rad 3:21Indeed. And then we have my favorite Jean Simmons playing the lead female part, Diana, I think she's actually really good in this role. Yeah, well, you know, she's got that pure beauty about her. She looks very innocent.Dr G 3:39She does.Dr Rad 3:39Yeah. And then, of course, we've got the hero of our Patreon bonus episode Demetrius and the Gladiators, because, of course, being a sequel, he's in this one too big to mature, playing Demetrius,Dr G 3:53And he does look mature, doesn't he?Dr Rad 3:57He does have a mature look about him. But lest we forget, he retired at 44. So I guess he was in his 30s at this point in time.Dr G 4:04Oh, wow.Dr Rad 4:06And then we have Michael Rennie playing St. Peter.Dr G 4:11Yeah, I feel like that was a bit of a that's a bit of a throw into the sequel as well, isn't it?Dr Rad 4:18I believe so. I think he was in both. Yeah, definitely. I mean, they knew they were filming both when they started, as I discovered last time. And then we have Jay Robinson playing Caligula.Dr G 4:30Hmm. Yeah. We'll come back to that one.Dr Rad 4:33Yeah. And then I think the main ones that we have to deal with there are major characters. Yeah, I think that kind of covers it. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So The Robe 1953 is a big film in many ways. Not only is an epic from the age of epics, the Golden Age of Hollywood epics, but it also has won some fame for some of the other milestones that are associated with this film. Now, just to give us an idea of exactly how big a smash it was, it costs a smidgen over $4 million to make. And, yeah, it took in $17 million in the US a market and $36 million world wide.Dr G 5:25Okay, so this was a profit making engine?Dr Rad 5:29Well, yeah, I mean, it has a cycle that's going to tell somethingDr G 5:35built in, apparently, as well. So yeah,Dr Rad 5:37I do like this detail, though, that some of the ticket sales would have been to teachers who were pressed into going to see this movie for their students, or with their students, maybe?Dr G 5:50Yeah, goodness. I mean, that kind of made up the bulk of sales, surely.Dr Rad 5:56Anyway, so let's talk a little bit about this ethic, Dr. G. So what were your initial impressions? I'm dying to know,Dr G 6:03Oh, look, I think longtime listeners of this show will be well aware that I tend to classify myself as a pagan, and my position has not changed. As a result of watching the Rome, it did feel like very much that they were utilizing Roman history as a vehicle for getting to the Christian story. And I'm not a fan of that, to be honest. Christianity is not huge. In this initial face, like this is set sort of right at the moment of the passing of the Messiah.Dr Rad 6:39Jesus is alive in this film. That tells us something. Yeah,Dr G 6:43Jesus starts alive in this film. Yeah, he doesn't stay alive. So that gives us almost everything we need to know about what moment in history we're in. But the sense in which there is a really strong Christianizing moment that comes over all of the players who've been closely associated with that moment of Jesus's death is really interesting. Yeah, and I would say, anachronistic.Dr Rad 7:09For sure. I mean, it's historically accurate to place Jesus's life in his time period. So the time period we're talking about is the tail end of the reign of Tiberius, aka the best period ever. And we then end up going into some of calculus, rain as well. And calculus, definitely around this whole movie. He's not, you know, off to the side, and Tiberius is a circle regular, I think, is definitely the main Roman imperial character that we get to know over the course of this film. And that is historical. As far as we can tell, Jesus was indeed around in the latter half of Tiberius, his reign. So anyway, the general setting for Jesus's lifetime, and when he starts to become a problem for Rome, all is accurate. And so we've got our major players, you know, being where they should be. But as you say, this is a classic Hollywood epic in that in order for you to have a good guy and a bad guy, you know, someone to root for and someone to despise while still enjoying the things that they get up to. It's pretty normal for Hollywood to go to a Christians versus Romans storyline, or at least Christians slash Jewish people. Question Mark versus Romans?Dr G 8:30Yeah. And this leads us into some like really interesting directorial choices, or maybe casting decisions as well, because the Romans quintessentially played by the English. So they've got that very sort of RP accent going on. Yeah, but then the people of Palestine appear to be American. Where, I mean, it's somethingDr Rad 8:53But I think that that actually does keep into the whole accent divide. Because I think it's kind of meant to be the people who are on the side, that you're meant to be rooting for generally American.Dr G 9:06Hmm. So Hollywood would want you to believe.Dr Rad 9:09Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's not. It's not uncommon for the movies of this era to have that accent divided so that it's super clear, just in case you were thinking of rooting for the Romans that were crucifying Jesus, just in case you had a moment where you thought maybe I'm on their side. They go for the accent just to make it very clear.Dr G 9:30That and the way that they decide to portray particular were Romans. Now, Caligula, as we know, doesn't have heaps of redeeming features, ultimately, and the Romans themselves get pretty jack of them very quickly, they do. So this is what what is about to follow is not the saving of Caligula. Now, when I say I think he might have been overplayed a little bit in this film.Dr Rad 9:59Oh, Though I have to admit, though, I kind of enjoy the guy who played here. And he does have the kind of voice that really grates on you in a way that makes you think, yeah, I could assassinate this guy after a few years. I think I'd be annoyed enough.Dr G 10:15He is frustratingly inept in his presentation, and because we don't get a good read on motivation from Caligula, and because it just feels like he's being played for the sort of the hysterical, maniacal, power driven figure that is portrayed as in this film. It makes him feel a little bit unbelievable, whilst also holding down the position as the bad guy.Dr Rad 10:46Yeah, fair enough. Well, before we get too much further into Ahala, we probably should say something about the general storyline of this film. So why don't you tell us about the the story of DigiDr G 10:57Okay, all right. Well, I mean, it starts off great opening scene. It seems like we're in the Roman Forum. Everyone's having a good time. It's clearly slave-buying season. Not that anybody should be excited about that.Dr Rad 11:11I say Why does it not slave-buying season in Rome?Dr G 11:14It seems to b a particularly busy time at the moment. And this sets up the few really important dynamics. It allows us to see Marcellus re-meeting his childhood sweetheart, Diana, they haven't seen each other for many years. So that sets up that relationship. We learn about Diana's connection as a ward of Tiberius to calendula, potentially as a love interest for him. But we also learn about myself versus ongoing tension with Caligula as well apparently those two don't get along. And then we have this sort of moment with the slave market, which introduces us to Demetrius as well, who is perhaps the most stoic character in this wholeDr Rad 12:00Oh, my God, yes.Dr G 12:01So stoic, and this guy kind of just accepts his fate as it is, doesn't seem to fight one way or the other. But does seem to be motivated by an internal set of principles. And for whatever reason, Demetrius ends up coming to the attention of both Marcellus and Caligula during this slave sail. And this becomes an important point because it's this moment. And this tension between Marcellus and Caligula, which turns Demetrius is fate. So you technically gets freed in a slave auction through being purchased at such a high price for Marcellus to sort of jab coelicolor A little bit. But because Demetrius feels that this isn't appropriate to be bought at such a high price just to be set free, he decides to become the manservant of Marcellus anyway. So these two are now bound up together in what appears to be a kind of odd duo, because my Seles then goes on to be like, let's be friends, if we're going to hang out together like this. Demetrius is, like, we are not friends. I really owe you. It's different.Dr Rad 13:15I do like the pairing, though. I mean, Burton's got the voice and Mature's got this shoulder.Dr G 13:22Yeah, so these two end up on adventures together, which are all bound up with calendula in particular ways Caligula is annoyed at Marcellus for this whole debacle in the slave market. So he sends him to Palestine as a bit of a punishment. While he's there, he ends up in a situation with Pontius Pilate, so that's good news. Everybody likes it when Pontius Pilate enters the enters the scene, Pontius Pilate sort of commands myself is to be in charge with the crucifixion of Jesus, which is awkward, but also at the same time has a Lady Macbeth moment, which is kind of beautiful, where he's washing his hands, and he's like, I need to wash my hands. And he's slaves like you just wash your hands. Yeah, like the bloods invisible but he's having trouble guys. He's ordered the death of Jesus. Then we have some really interesting moments in Palestine, one of which is this trading of the robe. So pivotal to this entire film, it would seem is that we don't see Jesus very much. We don't really see his face. We sometimes hear his voice, but we he's a mysterious figure who seems to have an effect on Demetrius straightaway. When he is on the cross, the robe that he had been wearing has been laid at the bottom of it. One of the Roman soldiers picks it up and it's like that. We could throw this into the old gambling table. Let's when the robe of Jesus and Marcellus wins it, but is then sort of overcome when he tries to put it on himself whe…

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    Building the Bromance Mar 16, 2023
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    What do you get when Mamercus Aemilius Mamercinus and Aulus Cornelius Cossus return in our source material? The continuation of a beautiful bromance.After an unfortunate amount of disease and destruction in our last episode, we return to Rome for some classic political and military action.The Romans are ready to put a year of horrible drought behind them and seek revenge on Veii and the ongoing thorn in their side. Fidenae. It also turns out that war is the perfect backdrop for some male bonding. Episode 135 – Building the BromanceJupiter as my Witness!Before the Romans can get involved in any conflicts with Veii, there are rules of warfare that need to be observed. It is time for the fetiales! With Jupiter as their witness, they will make sure that Rome only goes to war in the right circumstances.Fresco of Jupiter, National Archaeological Museum of Naples (inv. nr.9551).From Pompeii, House of the Dioscuri, dating to the 1st century CE, so much later than the 420s BCE! Jupiter was invoked by thefetiales during their rituals.Image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons.Building the BromanceThe Romans elect military tribunes with consular power as they embark on their war with Veii. Unfortunately, the tribunes don’t have a talent for teamwork. It’s time for a dictator!Our old friend Cossus nominates Mamercus Aemilius as dictator. In return, Aemilius makes Cossus his Master of the Horse. The bromance between these two is so strong that Veii doesn’t stand a chance. They are the Roman equivalent of Batman and Robin.Watch out Etruscans! The caped crusaders are out to get you.The classic duo: is that Mamercus and Cossus or Batman and Robin? When we squint, we can't even tell, that's how strong the bromance is here.Things to Look Out For:More confusion over consuls Murder most foulBirds in the sky (they might be trying to tell you something)Smugness from MamercusFiery combatDid we write a book? Oh boy, yes we did! If you enjoy the podcast, this might be just the ticket. You can purchase our popular history Rex: The Seven Kings of Rome HEREInterested in the first instalment of the bromance between Cossus and Mamercus? We've got you covered – that'd be Episode 129 – Lars Tolumnius and the Fate of FidenaeOur Players 427 BCEConsulsC. Servilius – f. – n. Structus Ahala (Pat) Mil. Tr. c. p. 419, 418, 417L. Papirius (L. f. – n.) Mugillanus (Pat) Mil. Tr. c. p. 422Our Players 426 BCEMilitary Tribunes with Consular PowerT. Quinctius L. f. L. n. Poenus Cincinnatus (Pat) Cos 431, 428a, Mil. Tr. c. p. 420?C. Furius – f. – n. Pacilus Fusus (Pat) Cos. 441M. Postumius A. ? f. A.? n. Albinus Regillensis? (Pat) Mil. Tr. c. p. 403?A. Cornelius M. f. L. n. Cossus (Pat) Cos. 428DictatorMam. Aemilius M. f. – n. Mamercinus (Pat)Master of the HorseA. Cornelius M. f. L. n. Cossus (Pat) Cos. 428a, Mil. Tr. c. p. 426LegatesT. Quinctius Poenus Cincinattus (Pat) Cos. 431, Mil. tr. c. p. 426, 420?Our SourcesDr G reads Diodorus Siculus 12.78.1, 12.80.1; Dionysius of Halicarnassus Roman Antiquities 12.6; Valerius Maximus 3.2.4; Frontinus Stratagems 2.4.18-19, 2.8.9; Florus 1.6.7; Aurelius Victor De Viris Illustribus urbis Romae 25; Orosius 2.13.8-11Dr Rad reads Livy ab Urbe Condita 4.31-34.Broughton, T. R. S., Patterson, M. L. 1951. The Magistrates of the Roman Republic Volume 1: 509 B.C. – 100 B.C. (The American Philological Association)Cornell, T. J. 1995. The Beginnings of Rome: Italy and Rome from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars (c. 1000-264 BC) (Taylor & Francis)Forsythe, G. 2006. A Critical History of Early Rome: From Prehistory to the First Punic War(University of California Press) Ogilvie, R. M. 1965. A Commentary on Livy: Books 1-5 (Clarendon Press). Santangelo, F. 2008. ‘The Fetials and Their Ius’. Bulletin: Institute of Classical Studies 51:1, 63-93.Sound EffectsFesliyan Studios, Orange Free Sounds and Pixabay. Thanks to the fabulous Bettina Joy de Guzman for our theme music.The Apollo of Veii, dated to around 550-520 BCE. This is a terracotta artefact that is now held in the National Etruscan Museum in Rome.Source: Obelisk Art History Project.Automated TranscriptTranscript generated by Otter AI. Edited by Dr G for those tricky Latin names!Dr Rad 0:16Welcome to The Partial Historians,Dr G 0:19we explore all the details of ancient Rome.Dr Rad 0:22Everything from the political scandals, the love affairs, the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. Rad.Dr G 0:33And I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Romans saw it by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.Dr Rad 0:43Join us, as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city.Dr G 0:54Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode of The Partial Historians. I am one of your hosts, Dr. G. And sitting with me in the realm of cyberspace.Dr Rad 1:09Is Dr. Rad. That's cyberspace.Dr G 1:17I feel ya, I feel ya. And we are tracing the history of Rome from the foundation of the city. And hoo-we, we have made it out of the 430s and scraped into the 420s. And we are about to look at 427 BCE. But before we do that, perhaps we should do a bit of a recap of where we're up to in the narrative.Dr Rad 1:47I was just thinking to myself, how do you recap nothing? How do you recap, the nothingness that was the previous three years?Dr G 1:58Well, I mean, it's not like there was absolutely nothing. There was a drought, there were some there was some bad news. And there was a truce made between the Aequians and the Romans.Dr Rad 2:10Definitely, like there was some stuff going on. But by the standards that we have come to expect of Rome, it was it was low, it was low.Dr G 2:20And I think we can attribute part of the fallowness of those years to the source material. As much as Livy is still with us. He did say that nothing happened.Dr Rad 2:33He did, I can't deny it. But also, I feel like this has to do a lot with what we've been talking about for a really long time now, literally years for us. So decades. For the Romans, we talked about the fact that there does seem to have been this really tough time in Roman history. If we look at the archaeological record, I thought we were looking at a tough time in the late 450s and into the 440s. But I had no idea what was awaiting us in the 430s. It is out of control.Dr G 3:10Yeah, there's heaps of problems with like, what might be going on with how Rome is in central Italy in this period. And, as we've noted before, there's not any sort of extensive record of a building programme, we've had some references to what this new temple to Apollo come up in the last few years, but that's the first building we've heard about in a while.Dr Rad 3:33They're suspicious of that building now.Dr G 3:36Yes,Dr Rad 3:36Just slightly, just slightlyDr G 3:37That temple. Can we trust Apollo? That God looks fishy to me. And so they have a sense in which their competition with their neighbours is so all consuming that it makes it very difficult to make progress at home. And that's just adding into what is the broader confusion, which is all of our source material, generally speaking, comes from centuries later, where they're unsure about what happened. And they're trying to figure it out from the limited records that have survived from this period. And they're a little bit all over the shop. So we're in some trying times, and that's okay. We'll just keep going.Dr Rad 4:23Look, I'm excited because the next couple of years, I know that there's potential for some very dramatic things to happen. So let's get into it, Dr. G. Let's head into 427 BCE!Dr G 5:20It is 427 BCE and Dionysius of Halicarnassus is missing.Dr Rad 5:29Fair enough. Well, once again, you know, I'm very good sharer. You should have the magistrates you should have that honour.Dr G 5:36Oh, thank you. Thank you. Well, I don't have many to report for this year. We apparently have the names of the consuls. So we've got Gaius Servilius Structus Ahala. Ahala!Dr Rad 5:54Ahala the armpit.Dr G 5:58Ahala.Dr Rad 5:59Yes, the famous armpit. Yeah.Dr G 6:01Well, yeah, so I was gonna say if this name sounds familiar, it's because we've already had a very infamous Gaius Servilius Ahala, the armpit as master of the horse in 439, who was responsible for or scapegoated as the person responsible for the assassination of Spurius Maeilus, also known as the Nacho King. And so this is big news because literally the same name, but we do think that they're different people. This seems to be the next one down the line.Dr Rad 6:39He was meant to be sent into exile, wasn't he?Dr G 6:41Well yeah, he was sent into exile. We don't seem to hear from him again. And do have this name Structus stuck in this guy for this year. And that name is not present for our previous Gaius Servilius Ahala. So okay, we don't really we're not really sure, but it does seem to be slightly different guy.Dr Rad 7:04Okay.Dr G 7:05So possibly the eldest son of the infamous armpit because the Ahala name is one of these cognomens, so it's one of these sort of individualising names. But how many people could be known by their armpit?Dr Rad 7:21I've never thought about it. I never thought.Dr G 7:25I mean, if this is a nickname, I don't know, but maybe it's inherited. And our second consul is Lucius Papirius Mugillanus.Dr Rad 7:35Papirius again!Dr G 7:39Another Papirii so this gens is doing well for themselves. But this guy is new. Mugillanus is a new figure that we haven't really come across before. This seems to be connected, potentially, to a family from the Latin town of Mugilla.Dr Rad 7:59Okay.Dr G 8:00Don't bother trying to find it on any maps because we don't know where it was.Dr Rad 8:05Then Moogly up to the server at night. All right, look, I've got a little bit of detail about this year. So let's get into it. I think you'll see the pace is starting to build up again. So this is a good sign. So, as is typical for Livy, we've had this horrible drought, causing all sorts of problems in terms of disease, death, chaosDr G 8:29Mange.Dr Rad 8:30In the previous year. Yeah, it's all bad. But it's miraculously just all over now. We're on to new things, and the Romans feel well enough to seek vengeance against Veii who, lest we forget, seem to have been conducting some raids into Roman territory over the past year or two.Dr G 8:50All right, I'm just gonna interrupt you there because it's clearly rained, which means and this is one for the Australian listeners, Marge, the rains are here!Dr Rad 9:04Classic Simpsons reference and in the previous episode, we had a great Seinfeld reference, we're basking in the glory of the 90s.Dr G 9:12It's all happening.Dr Rad 9:13It is alright, so they want to deal with Veii. Okay, and we've got our consuls as you said. However, it was decided that they could not declare war on Veii straightaway. So we know that there's been this niggling backwards and forwards, but it was iffy about whether they were actually you know, still at war, like it was like an ongoing conflict that they could just renew. And I guess it was decided that it was best to be cautious and therefore presume that they weren't really already at war with they, and therefore this means that some of your favourites the fetiales have to go through their procedures before anything else can happen. So I thought this might actually be a good time to sort of review, what it is that these people do?Dr G 10:03Oh, yeah, look, the fetiales is some of my favourite priests. So they come in pairs. And they roam about the countryside looking for just war. soDr Rad 10:14Sounds very noble when you put it like thatDr G 10:17One of them is dressed very fancily, one of them's not. And they go around together, if if Rome is in the mood, where they're like, we really do think that possibly conflict is on the horizon, is it going to be just in the eyes of the gods, then they get the fetiale crew out and about, and they have a very particular job, they've got a walk towards the territory, which Rome has a problem with. And as they walk along, they sort of announced periodically that they are seeking some sort of like righting of the relationship between Rome and this place, particularly when they get to what is considered to be the borderland between the two and before they step over into the symbolic other place, then they keep going, and periodically keep saying the things until they start to encounter people of that land. And you know, the message starts to spread, and these to continue onwards towards the major city centre of whatever place it is, and continue to announce, and they make some demands being like, you need to really liaise with Rome, otherwise, it's going to be a bit problematic, then they wait a specified period of time for an answer. And if they get one, that's fine, they take it back to Rome, and they start to figure things out from there. If they don't get one, they head back to Rome. And they're like, I think it might be time to consider a just war. And so then they go out again, and they do a bit of spear throwing into the other territory. And check out how the gods react to that. And if it's all looking good. War is just and may commence in the eyes of the god.Dr Rad 11:51Yeah, absolutely. They have this really interesting position where to quote the article that will be in our sources. So if you want to have a look at this article in full, please do they are in a sense, the people that preside over the rights that precede a war begin a war and at the end of the war, as well. And they serve this really interesting role as the kind of judges slash guardians of the peace of Rome, which I like as a nice little way of conjuring up what it is they do. And their role changed over time, as we shall see, it's not it's not always exactly the same.Dr G 12:33Look, there's nothing like a good twist on the tale, or like these are priests that are definitely involved in war. So to suggest that they're very much involved with peace is fascinating and hilarious.Dr Rad 12:45Well, yes. I mean, I think in terms of, you know, as you say, it's about are the Romans going to war for the right reasons should peace be broken, I suppose in order to go to war in that sense. Yes. Anyway, so we have the fetiales going through their proper procedures, okay. And we know, of course, there has been some conflicts with Rome and Veii because they were involved in the whole issue, over Fidenae, the colony that was and then wasn't, and then was, but doesn't seem to be committing to it wholeheartedly. You know, it's all very iffy with Veii and Fidenae at this point in time, I think we can definitely say that, if what the accounts that were given are correct. Rome is really struggling to assert itself in this whole decade in this part of Italy.Dr G 13:39Yeah, they can send as many fetiales as they like searching for just war, but they can't hold it together. And they can't seem to retain the things that they have laid out as their own. So Fidenae was theirs. And they're definitely struggling to hold on to it at this point.Dr Rad 13:57Yeah. So after the whole issue that they had had over Fidenae, they had a truce with Veii that had expired, admittedly, but the Romans still see the need to obviously declare war properly. So the fetiales go out and do their business, but rudely, they are completely ignored.Dr G 14:17Yeah, amazing. Well, I mean, let's face it, let's imagine you imagine the time these two weirdos from Rome, one of them dress very fancily, and the other one sort of like he's offsider and they sort of approaching and they're doing this…

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    The Partial Recap - 430s BCE Mar 09, 2023
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    We recap the confusing details of the 430s BCE. Be careful – there's a lot of dictators about!This is a short, sharp, scripted overview of all the big events that defined the 430s BCE. If you’re inspired to delve into more details, all the episodes from this decade can be found in our Foundation of Rome series starting with Episode 127: The Assassination of Spurius Maelius.The Partial Recap – 430s BCEA view to the East over the Roman Forum with the Temple of Saturn on the left and the Palatine Hill on the right, showing the Temple of Castor and Pollux, the Arch of Titus, Santa Francesca Romana, and the Colosseum. Detail from the photograph by Nicholas Hartmann, June 1976. Image Source: Wikimedia Commons. Used under license.Sound CreditsOur music was composed by the incomparable Bettina Joy de Guzman. Automated Transcript Dr Rad 0:16Welcome to The Partial Historians,Dr G 0:20we explore all the details of ancient Rome.Dr Rad 0:23Everything from the political scandals, the love affairs, the battles waged and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. RadDr G 0:34and I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Romans saw it by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.Dr Rad 0:43Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city.Welcome to the Partial Recap for the 430s BCE.Dr G 1:12I'm Dr. G.Dr Rad 1:14And I'm Dr. RadDr G 1:15And this is our highlights addition of the 430s in Rome will take you through from 439 to 430. In an epitome of our normal episodesDr Rad 1:27Perfect for those mornings when you don't want some lengthy rhetoric with your coffee. But Please be warned. The Roman world is a violent oneDr G 1:34Get ready for a re-cappuccino.Dr Rad 2:02439 BCE. In 439 BCE, the consuls were Agrippa Menenius Lanatus and Titus Quinctius Capitolinus Barbatus, Rome was still having issues with their green supply and 439 BCE. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they were having issues with the man who had tried to solve the green crisis and to be honest, the dates are blurry here. This is more 439 and 438. An equestrian named Spurius Maelius had used his private fortune to secure desperately needed corn, something that the officially appointed prefect of corn supply Lucius Minucius had failed to do. Spurius Maelius had allegedly been using his success with the grain to curry favour and after carefully building support amongst the plebs instal himself as monarch. Funnily enough Minucius was the one to uncover this dastardly plot. Jealous much? This may somehow connect to another version of events we have in which the people overthrew Minucius and put Maelius in his place. In this time of crisis, the Romans turned to Cincinnatus, that old war horse or did they? Officially Cincinnatus was made dictator and chose Gaius Servilius Ahala, whose name means Gaius Servilius ‘Armpit', as the master of the horse, depending who you believe Ahala was either just a random elite man who was given a senatorial approval to kill Maelius, or he was sent by Cincinnatus to arrest the scheming Spurius. When Spurius decided not to go quietly, and when he screamed for help from the nearby plebs, Ahala decided to murder him on the spot. Naturally. Ahala and a band of young patricians reported the crime to Cincinnatus, who was thoroughly pleased that Maelius was dead. The populace were less thrilled and Cincinnatus summoned an assembly to explain exactly how Maelius' murder went down. With Rome safe again, Maelius' house was torn down. Too much evil plotting had gone down in there to leave it standing. It became a memorial named the Aquaemaelium to commemorate whatever he was supposedly doing. The rest of his property was donated to the public treasury. Again, according which account you believe some other traitors flesh rabbits may have found their heads detached for their bodies and displayed in the Forum. In the aftermath of the Spurius Maelius debacle, Lucius Minucius was given an ox and a gilded statue outside the Porta Trigamenia, he may also have been made a plebeian and an 11th tribune of the plebs just to keep an eye on them after this attempted coup business, but even Livy is unsure about this one. The tribunes certainly weren't pleased that Minucius was being honoured, so they pushed to have military tribunes with consular power and 438 BCE. Come on pleb power! Ahala did not fare as well as Minucius going into “self imposed exile”. Wink. Looking to delve deeper into the details of 439 BCE, check out our Episode 127 The Assassination of Spurius Maelius.Dr G 5:49438 BCE in 438 BCE, the military tribunes with consular power were Mamercus Aemilius, Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus and Lucius Julius Iullus. If the idea to have military tributes with consular power is to allow non elite Romans into the politics then we can call this year a fail. These guys are all patricians. It's a tough time in Rome because the Roman colony of Fidenae decided to revolt and side with the Etruscan city of Veii, led by King Lars Tolumnius: disaster! To make matters worse, the Fidenates ended up murdering the ambassadors that the Romans sent to sort out this mess. Lars Tolumnius may have had something to do with this, but it is all very murky. The four slain ambassadors received statues which were erected at the public expense in Rome, lest we forget. Me thinks the Romans have vengeance on their mind. Jump into Episode 128 Mopping up Maelius, to catch all the details.Dr Rad 7:31437 BC in 437 BCE, the consuls were Marcus Geganius Macerinus and Lucius Sergius Fidenas. Rome was in crisis mode, so no one was causing issues at home, but a dictator was clearly needed. And Mamercus Aemilius was chosen for the job. Lucius Quictius Cincinnatus, son of the famous Cincinnatus, was selected as master of the horse. During the emotionally charged battle that followed, a really ridiculously good looking tribune from the Roman cavalry named Aulua Cornelius Cossus distinguished himself. Determined to make his family name proud, Cossus decided to take down the king of Veii. Tolumnius was wreaking havoc for the Romans, but not once Cossus was finished with him. Cossus did not just kill Tolumnius, he decapitated him. The Etruscans lost their nerve after the death of their King and were defeated. Cossus became known as the first man since King Romulus to defeat an enemy leader in single combat, and he dedicated his spoils to Jupiter Feretrius. The senate and the people agreed: all of this glory added up to a triumph for our dictator.Dr G 9:15436 BCE, in 436 BCE, the consuls were Lucius Papirius Crassus and Marcus Cornelius Maluginensis – what a mouthfull! The year began with some raids into enemy territory. We're in familiar crowds now with the Romans and the Romans took some booty, both human and animal from Veii and the Faliscans, those bastards. The enemy was presumably busy licking their wounds, and so there was no actual battle to be had. At least no battles before Romans were struck down by a pestilence. Not to be stopped by disease, Spurius Maelius – a relative of our grain loving murder victim – decided to use his power as tribune of the plebs to prosecute Lucius Minucius and to confiscate the property of Servilius Ahala. Crazily, the people seem to have been quite indifferent to his efforts. Perhaps it was the worsening pestilence…Dr Rad 10:21435 BCE. In 435 BCE the consuls were Gaius Iulius and Lucius Verginius. After all that pesky illness, the patricians and plebeians were ready for a peaceful year, but the people of Fidenae had other ideas. Fidenae and Veii teamed up to create terror for the Romans with their pillaging, reaching the very gates of Rome. You know what this means? It's time for a dictator. Quintus Servilius Priscus was made dictator with Postumius Aebutius Helva as master of the horse. Any male who could fight was called up and a battle ensued near Nomentum. The enemy retreated into the city of Fidenae, which was a hard nut to crack. But Servilius was no ordinary military strategist. Using clever diversionary tactics, he managed to seize control of the city. Back in Rome, the censors approved a new public building fittingly called the Villa Publica. This would be used to take the census. Just as exciting as siege warfare, clearly censors know how to party.Dr G 11:35Build a house for the very same.434 BCE. Now things get pretty confusing around 434. The first problem, there seems to have been two sets of consuls. The consuls are variously listed as Gaius Julius Iullus, and Lucius Verginius Tricostus or Marcus Manlius Capitolinus and Quintus Sulpicius Camerinus Praetextatus. So imagine that so you know, so much Latin, no overlap of names. And to make matters even worse, there were also three military tributes with consular power listed for this year as well. Servius Cornelius Cossus, Marcus Manlius Capitolinus and Quintus Sulpicius Camerinus Praetextatus. And yes, you're definitely starting to hear some overlapping names. This year was simply lousy with magistrates. The sources themselves seem quite confused over who was running the place. But whoever was in charge, they soon found themselves replaced by dictator Mamercus Aemilius and his master of the horse. Oulus – Aulus, I should say Postumius Tubertus. Mamercus was called in because it seemed like war might break out with Veii and some of their allies, but it all fizzled quite quickly. Mamercus therefore decided that he was going to change some things at home, he focused his attention on the censorship. These guys were too powerful. A law was proposed that would limit the censorship to a year and a half, that people were giddy with delight. But the censors now saw Mamercus as public enemy number one. They kicked him out of his tribe, and drastically increased his tax bill. Ouch.Dr Rad 13:56Hell know no fury like a censor scorned.Dr G 14:01What is this tax? It's just for you, my friend. Lucky for the censors, Mamercus was content to take this one on the chin, or they may have found some of his devoted fans waiting for them in the forum with baseball bats and switch blades.Dr Rad 14:44433 BCE. In 433 BCE, the military tributes with consular power where Marcus Fabius Vibulanus, Marcus Folius Flaccinator, and Lucius Sergius Fidenas. The tribunes of the plebeians decided that this was a good year to start some trouble. They tried to block the consular elections and the rumours were apparently close to having to move to an interregnum. A compromise was reached and military tribunes with consular power were elected instead. But none of the men chosen were plebeians. The best laid plans. More political shenanigans may have ensued, but a serious epidemic struck the city so serious that a temple was given to Apollo on behalf of the people's health. But many people died and the Romans were worried that widespread death would lead to famine, which would lead to more death. So they started searching high and low for grain which they could stockpile.Dr G 16:09432 BCE, and we're back with some military tribunes with consular power, Lucius Pinarius Mamercinus, Lucius Furius Medullinus and Spurius Postumius Albus Regillensis. The disease that had affected the population in the previous year started to ease up and the Romans did not have to add famine to their list of worries as they were so damn organised. All of that stockpiled grain coming in handy. There were murmurings of war between Etruscans, the Volscians and Aequians and Rome, but it was decided to postpone any conflict for a year. The tribune of the plebs started strategizing about how they could get a plebeian elected as military tribune with consular power. It was crazy that only patricians had been elected so far. Somehow this led to a law being proposed by the tribunes that political candidates were not allowed to whiten their toga. In other words, no advertising the fact that you were running for office with your very shiny very white toga candida. To avoid dirty plebeians winning any more power, the patricians made sure that consuls were on the cards for the following year.Dr Rad 17:56431 BCE. In 431 BCE the consuls were Titus Quinctius Poenas Cincinnatus, and Gaius or Gnaeus Iulius Mento, and they apparently hated each other. The consuls really needed a strong army this year, so a levy was held under a lex sacrata, which meant that anyone who offended against this law was sacer to the gods. The Aequians and the Volscians set up their camps at Mount Algidus and seem to have strong armies in the field. The Romans were spooked or defeated in battle and didn't want to talk about it, and the Senate decided to appoint a dictator. After all, so many young Romans had perished in the plague and the consuls were not a great team. However, the consuls did agree that a dictator was a terrible idea. In desperation Quintus Servilius Priscus, an elite Roman, appealed to the tribune of the plebs, and ask them to force the consuls to name a dictator. The consuls were livid. But finally it was decided by lot that Titus Quinctius should choose the dictator. Quinctius selected his father-in-law Aulus Postumius Tubertus, aka the “face of stone”. Lucius Julius was named master of the horse. A levy was declared and the Romans were ordered to focus all of their attention on the war effort. Postumius was just what the campaign needed. With his team and fellow elites, they managed to defeat both the Aequians and the Volscians. The only downer was the possible execution of Aulus Postumius' son on his father's orders. The “face of stone” strikes again! But nobody wants to believe this story. As a parting blow to his colleague, Gnaeus Julius dedicated the Temple of Apollo without consulting his colleague Quinctius. How rude.Dr G 20:16430 BCE. In this year the consuls were Lucius Papirius Crassus and Lucius Julius Iullus. A new law was introduced this year called The Papira Julia, which changed the valuation of fines by changing how they decided to count cattle. Those Romans will the excitement never end when it comes to their lawmaking! After their disastrous defeat in the previous year, the Aequians – surprise, surprise – managed to secure an eight year truce with Rome. Ahh, the bliss of peace. The Volscians on the other hand, were distracted by their own internal dispute, which made for an unusually peaceful end to the decade.Dr Rad 21:25And that was the 430s in ancient Rome. Or, was it?Dr G 21:29Wow, that is the big question. Remember, this has just been a highlights reel of the ancient sources and the decade that was so if you want to delve into the complexities of the different evidence from this period, check out our narrative episodes, you'd want to be jumping in at Episode 127 The Assassination of Spurius Maelius to join us for a deep dive into the decade that was the 430s BCE.Dr Rad 22:00Thank you for listening to this episode of The Partial Historians, we'd like to send an extra special thank you to all of our supporters, especially our Patreon and our Kofi donators. Thank you so much for helping keep the show going. Until next time, we are yours in ancient Rome.Transcribed by https://otter.aiFor our full show notes and edited transcripts, head on over to https://partialhistorians.com/Support the showPatreonKo-FiRead our booksRex: The Seven Kings of RomeYour Cheeky Guide to the Roman Empire Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Special Episode - Our Top Ten at Ten Mar 01, 2023
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    On the 1st March 2013, something momentous happened. We published our first episode of the Partial Historians podcast! Clearly, this is an event akin to Hannibal crossing the Alps or the expulsion of the kings. Well, perhaps not quite. But it certainly changed our lives forever in ways that we could not imagine. Therefore, we decided to mark the occasion by getting together and discussing our Top Ten Moments from the Roman Republic thus far. We hope you enjoy our chat about the Republic as much as we have enjoyed making this show for the past ten years. Special Episode – Our Top Ten at TenThings to Look Out For: The Conspiracy to Restore the Tarquins (Episode 45 – The Last Gasp of the Regal Period)The Downfall of Spurius Cassius (Episode 71-73)The Career of Lars Porsenna (Episode 46-47)The First Secession of the Plebs (Episodes 58-59)The Rise of Volero (Episode 85-86)The Sneak Attack of Appius Herdonius (Episodes 96-97)The Death of Verginia (Episodes 114-115)The Life and Times of Dentatus (Episodes 105-106, 113)The Rise and Fall of Spurius Maelius (Episode 127 – The Assassination of Spurius Maelius)Aulus Cornelius Cossus vs Lars Tolumnius (Episodes 129-130)Sound EffectsThanks to the talented Bettina Joy de Guzman for our music. Just a few photos of us together over the years. Are we partial to a dress up for the sake of Roman history? You betcha!Automated TranscriptDr Rad 0:00That's right isn't just any bonus episode. Dr. G. It's our anniversary episode. I know I can't believe it. But we have been recording this podcast for 10 years as of today, the first of March.Welcome to a special bonus episode of the Partial Historians. And this might just be the most special bonus episode that you will hear of this show for a long time. Not that you should stop listening or anything. But just because this is our 10 year anniversary show. That's right. 10 years ago to this day, we released our very first episode. And so to mark that occasion, Dr. G, and I did what we did 10 years ago, which is we sat down, and we had a chat in our living room about Roman history. We hope that you enjoy the show.Dr G 0:54Hello and welcome to a fabulous bonus edition of the Partial Historians. I am Dr. G.Dr Rad 1:04And I am a 10 year old Dr. RadDr G 1:0810 years old.Dr Rad 1:09That's right isn't just any bonus episode. Dr. G.Dr G 1:13It's our anniversary episode. IDr Rad 1:15know I can't believe it. But we haveDr G 1:1810 years old??Dr Rad 1:23the first of March.Dr G 1:26Look, there are marriages that do not last as long as this podcast.Dr Rad 1:31I know. And I felt we could not let this occasion pass without marking upon it. Because being independent podcasters as we are and have been for 10 years. I think that really the fact that we're still here now actually has a lot to do with the fact that we are just determined in clueless.Dr G 1:54We shall persist regardless the circumstance. Well, I mean, that may be so but I think it is also the case genuinely that over time, we have found our audience, our beautiful listeners, they're out there,Dr Rad 2:08I know. And we're so incredibly grateful because we look back to 10 years ago, and it really doesn't feel like 10 years ago because we even though we don't release episodes as often as other podcasts because we are dependent, and we have to balance full time jobs and all that kind of stuff. At the same time. We actually haven't taken a break. There hasn't been a month where we haven't released a podcast in 10 years, we have never stopped making the show.Dr G 2:35That is pretty consistent. I'm gonna give us a large pat on the back for that. Congratulations. For a while we were doing them every two weeks. I think that was a that was a period of early insanity, where we thought we had more time. And podcasting was not so strenuous.Dr Rad 2:52Yeah, because I mean that this is the thing. I was thinking back to our early days. And initially you and I had mooted the idea of starting a YouTube channel. But back in 2012, when we were initially having these discussions, that was a little out of our budget.Dr G 3:08It was it was and to be honest, who knows what would happen if we attempted to start a YouTube in 2012? It's like the dark ages of YouTube.Dr Rad 3:18Exactly. But instead, we decided that we would start a podcast because it required a little bit less investment. And back in those days also a little bit less know how.Dr G 3:27Yeah, I look, I don't know that it requires heaps of know how now, but we certainly do know more now.Dr Rad 3:35Yeah, definitely. But yeah, so we basically for an hour, if there's a word that I say all the time? Of course, I have to say it on our turn. Yeah, I say basically a lot on the show. But we initially take that basically, just we're recording our conversations, and we proudly did not edit our shows at all until I think about maybe three years ago.Dr G 3:59This is true. We did spend a long time not editing anything. Yeah. And and that my friends is the secret to an independent podcast.Dr Rad 4:11Yeah, but it wasn't it wasn't just because of time. I mean, we genuinely sat down I think to record our conversations. And I think that's been one of our challenges as well. The fact is that you amuse me endlessly Dr. G, and I am what we call a laugh speaker naturally, as anybody who knows me in real life knows, I tend to laugh as I speak all the time, regardless, and I'm a teacher so there are a lot of people out there that have to listen to me teach history whilst simultaneously somehowDr G 4:42I think that's fine. It's more like when it gets into like disciplining the students and you're still laughing and that's that's the toughy.Dr Rad 4:50Ahh Yes, my my notorious laugh-yelling less heard on the podcast. But anyway, I think that that's exactly it when we first started sitting down and having conversations it genuinely, I think it still is to a certain extent. But for a really long time, you and I were really just in a bubble, I felt like where I almost forgot we were recording. I just don't have a great time talking to you. And therefore getting too excited, laughing too much being too loud.Dr G 5:21Oh, look, and I don't think that's a real issue. And I have to say that if we're in this sort of compliment sandwich, which is this anniversary episode, and I feel like that's where we, that I enjoy your company events. And I would not be able to turn up every time for 10 years and have such a good time. If it weren't for you, my esteemed colleague.Dr Rad 5:43No, I couldn't agree more. And the crazy thing is that if we hadn't come together, I mean, we met at university, everybody, I think, who listens to our show probably noticed that we did meet at university, but we really didn't know each other at all, while we were doing our degree. I remember having a conversation with you at some postgrads thing that was at Macquarie I can't even remember what it was about. And we were talking about the fact that at the time, we were both dating men who were really keen cricketers. And so we were talking about how the fact that we were like cricket widows on a Saturday or something along those lines. But apart from that, I don't think we exchanged more than five words to each other whilst we're at uni together. It wasn't until we were both graduating essentially, that we were kind of thrown together and somehow decided that even though we knew each other, but we didn't know each other that well that we would start a podcast together.Dr G 6:35Let's just do this thing. I think at that point, we were really driven by our passion for history and wanting to continue to do history. Yes. And that was pretty clear. And we also, the circumstances of us getting to know each other more through doing the podcast is absolutely true, because we did know, of each other. But I wouldn't say that we necessarily knew each other deeply at the time that we agreed to do this thing. And in a way that's potentially a benefit. But I would have to say also, that the circumstance of us coming together was through a mutual friend.Dr Rad 7:11Yes.Dr G 7:12And so we, we had both already been vetted and approved by somebody we both trusted.Dr Rad 7:18And we had been spending some social time together because of the mutual friend, definiteDr G 7:23Shout out Abby!Dr Rad 7:24Our original photographer, guys. And that's just it, we ended up developing a number of important mutual friendships, such as Dr. Smith. Hi, Dr. Smith, also one of our photographers are our long suffering friends that have had to take photos of us wherever we go.Dr G 7:44Yes, and we've really only sorted that out recently, as well by buying a ring light. So we could put this phone on a stand to take the photos for us. And goodness knows. That may be more silly than having somebody take your own picture. I don't know.Dr Rad 7:58This is true. But it just seems crazy to me that if it hadn't been for that brief moment, that we might not ever have stayed in touch. Like, I know, it's kind of crazy to me, like you're literally the person I talk to you the most in the world.Dr G 8:14That's a sliding doors momentDr Rad 8:16That's actually listening to me, that's the key.Dr G 8:19Oh, no, is this the time where I tell the truth?Dr Rad 8:25But anyway, but no look, it has been such a an immense privilege and pleasure to talk about. I'm just gonna say history, because although it is Roman history, we have talked about other things as well. So just talk about history with you for 10 years now. And for you to tolerate my laugh talking.Dr G 8:42It is really no burden at all.Dr Rad 8:45And also, I mean, you know, there are many co hosts out there that can say they've also had to adjust to podcasting with a co host who's losing their hearing, which has got to be a challenge.Dr G 8:57I mean, between the two of us, I guess we'll see what happens. But as long as we're able to figure it out, I think we can keep talking about for sure. So this will be our transition into video and sign.Dr Rad 9:09It's coming. It's coming. I'm learning Auslan slowly. So we decided to get together today because we also wanted to share this moment with our listeners. Because whilst you and I, for the vast majority of our podcasting career have mostly just talked to each other and assumed that nobody else is listening, it turns out that we were wrong about that. That's actually a lot of people that listen to our podcast. Yeah. And honestly, we are so incredibly grateful for the people that we've collaborated with over the years. I mean, they're too numerous to mention. But we have had a lot of people who had us on this show who shared expertise who shared their support, whether it's, you know, through resources that they have access to that we didn't have access to. I mean, we're really so grateful for all the people out there that have reached out and also to the people that have taken the time to write to us and write nice reviews and nice comments. I mean, honestly, for two people that are still podcasting after 10 years in their living rooms, it's really, really so incredibly meaningful when you do that. So thank you so much for listening. And thank you for your support. And now as a gift to you, we decided that since it was our 10 year anniversary, that we would get together and have a bit of a bonus chat about our 10 top moments from the Roman Republic, which has absorbed our attention for the vast majority of the past 10 years, not entirely. But obviously, if you want to know what we think about the Regal period, you can go and buy our book now.Dr G 10:40Oh, yeah, we've sealed the deal on the Regal period by writing a book about it. And we are still in the Republican period. And we will be for hundreds more years. Yeah, I suspect that our 20 year anniversary will probably so banner above like, Look, if we get to the Punic Wars by the 20th anniversary, I think we will have done well.Dr Rad 11:01Deal, we've gotta go now. The Punic Wars by 2033.Dr G 11:09Everyone's gonna have a 10 year strategy, don't they?Dr Rad 11:12Exactly. So let's talk through some of our top 10 moments Dr. G, and just re-live the violence the horror, because I realized looking at this list, there aren't that many nice list. We can pull this list and it's it's full of violence. I'm not gonna lie. Well, why don't you tell me what's your what's your fav?Dr G 11:35Oh, look, I don't know that I necessarily have a fave. So we have compiled a document. So I'm just gonna go from number one to number 10. That's how this is gonna work. Number one is the conspiracy to restore theTarquin dynasty the final terrible family of kings. And somebody at Rome like, you know, it would be a great idea to have those sad sacks back in charge, even though we just literally kick them out.Dr Rad 12:03Definitely. Look, I think that this is one of our top moments because it's one of Brutus' top moments. And Brutus, as we know is you know, Roman man, par excellence?Dr G 12:16Yes, a very honorable man indeed.Dr Rad 12:18So just for those of you who don't recall, Episode 45. When we dealt with this, you can go back and listen to it in more detail. But as you might expect, when a regime is toppled, there are those that were attached to the regime that are no longer enjoying quite the cushy benefits that they used to. And you know who I'm talking about Dr G? It's time to mention the young patricians.Dr G 12:44Oh, no.Dr Rad 12:46Now to be fair, they're not I don't think they're actually explicitly in my account, called the Young patricians. But Livy is explicit that they are young men have important families. So I've been read between the lines. Young men have important families, it sounds like we're dealing with the elites, at the very least, exactly. Even if they're not called the patricians in this time period. Exactly. They're the people that are going to spawn their patrician class, and therefore I burn them. These young people, they're not loving, being without the talk wins, because they're just not enjoying the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. And therefore, when envoys come from the Tarquins, saying, hey, so like, you know, how they're exiled and all but what about their property that's still hanging around the place? What about that? What about it?The young men of Rome are open to some subterfuge on the side. So whilst ostensibly representing the property interests of the top ones, these envoys are putting out feelers and lo and behold, they find some people that are willing to try and assist the torque winds to get back into power. Now, they don't seem to be the best conspirators I've ever come across. I'm not going to lie. Because not only do they put things down in writing, which I feel like it's never a good idea. Awkward guys.Dr G 14:15Conspiracy much?Dr Rad 14:16Yeah, exactly. Letters are exchanged. So not only is stuffed down in writing, but they don't seem to be very secretive when discussing the super secret plot to bring back the king in their own homes. Now, Hmm. Maybe this is just complacency, because the people that overhear them are slaves. So maybe they're just like, well, you know, I do everything else in front of my slaves. You know, I have sex in front of them. I address in front of them. I go to the toilet in front of them. I eat in front of them. You're certainly not expecting them to do the dirty on you, that's for sure. Yeah. But anyway,…

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    Prepare yourself, dear listener, for a drought or two! After spending several episodes on individual years, we are speeding ahead in our latest episode. We are covering not one, not two, but THREE years in a single instalment. Join us as we tackle 430, 429 and 428 BCE. Episode 134 – A Dry Period Financial Affairs The Romans enjoy a remarkably peaceful year in 430 BCE. This means that they can turn their attention to financial matters. At least the new law that is introduced seems to benefit the people. A Year About Nothing The citizens must be confused as the peace continued into 429 BCE. No war? No internal conflict? Are we trapped in an episode of Seinfeld? A classic photo of the Seinfeld cast. Source: www.geekblast.com.br The Return of Cossus The ridiculously handsome Aulus Cornelius Cossus returns for a consulship in 428 BCE. Thank goodness! We need some eye candy around here. The drama returns to Rome with raiders from Veii and Fidenae. However, the Romans cannot stay mad for long. A severe drought devastates the people. We’ve hit a dry period in this very dry period. All the Romans could think about was how to improve their relationship with the gods. Will their luck turn around? Looking to catch up on why Cossus is so famed? We’ve got your back: Episode 129 – Lars Tolumnius and the Fate of Fidenae Episode 130 – The Cossus Controversy Things to Look Out For Confusion over consuls (Who really was in charge in 428 BCE, Livy?) Colony building Irritating skin diseases Aediles taking care of business A special commission Confusion over bovine equations Book promotions. Gotcha! You can buy our book HERE! Our Players 430 BCE Consuls L. (or C.) Papirius – f. – n. Crassus (Pat) Cos. 436 L. Iulius (Vop. F. C. n.?) Iullus (Pat) Mil. Tr. c. p. 438 Censors L. Papirius (Pat) P. Pinarius (Pat) Our Players 429 BCE Consuls Hostius Lucretius – f. – n. Tricipitinus (Pat) L. Sergius C. f. C. n. Fidenas (Pat) Cos. 437, Mil. Tr. c.p. 433, 424, 418 Our Players 428 BCE Consuls Ordinarii A. Cornelius M. f. L. n. Cossus (Pat) Mil. Tr. c.p. 426 T. Quinctius L. f. L. n. Poenus Cincinnatus (Pat) Cos. 431, Mil. Tr. c.p. 426, 420 Suffect Consuls L. Quinctius (L. f. L. n. Cincinnatus) (Pat) Mil. Tr. c.p. 438, 425, 420? A. Sempronius (L. f. A. n. Atratinus) (Pat) Special Commission L. Sergius (Fidenas) (Pat) Cos. 437 Q. Servilius (Priscus Fidenas) (Pat) Mam. Aemilius Mamercinus (Pat) Mil. Tr. c.p. 438 Our Sources Dr G reads Cicero De Republica 2.60; Diodorus Siculus 12.72.1-12.75.1; Festus 203-4L, 220L; Plutarch Romulus 16. Dr Rad reads Livy ab Urbe Condita 4.30 and Cicero’s De Republica 2.60. Broughton, T. R. S., Patterson, M. L. 1951. The Magistrates of the Roman Republic Volume 1: 509 B.C. – 100 B.C. (The American Philological Association) Cornell, T. J. 1995. The Beginnings of Rome: Italy and Rome from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars (c. 1000-264 BC) (Taylor & Francis) Forsythe, G. 2006. A Critical History of Early Rome: From Prehistory to the First Punic War(University of California Press) Ogilvie, R. M. 1965. A Commentary on Livy: Books 1-5 (Clarendon Press). Sound Effects Sound effects courtesy of Fesliyan Studios and Orange Free Sounds. Thanks to the glorious Bettina Joy de Guzman for our theme music. Roma, Lazio, Italia. Acquedotti. Source Wikimedia Commons. Photographer iessi Automated Transcript This transcript was generated by Otter AI. Apologies for any errors. Dr Rad 0:17Welcome to the Partial Historians, Dr G 0:20we explore all the details of ancient Dr Rad 0:23ruins. Everything from the political scandals, the love of ours, the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I’m Dr. Rad. Dr G 0:35And I’m Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Romans saw it by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories. Dr Rad 0:44Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city. Welcome to a brand new episode of the Partial Historians. I am one of your hosts, Dr. Rad. Dr G 1:15And I am one of your other hosts Dr. G. Welcome to the show. Dr Rad 1:21That sounds like there are more to come. Dr G 1:23And you imagine if we expanded our repertoire and brought other people in as hosts? I don’t know if that the vibe would be the same. Dr Rad 1:31No, I don’t think each of us could handle that. We’re already too talkative. To two fabulous. Exactly. Yes. So, Dr. G, I’m so glad to see you. Because it’s been too long since we talked about the history over and from the founding of the city. Why it feels like more than 24 hours. Dr G 1:51I can’t get enough to be honest. And I’m excited to dive in because on the back of where we just wrapped up, which was 431 BCE, and I’m still getting over various mascius being such an incredible dude. Dr Rad 2:08And then disappearing without a trace. Suspicious. I mean, I think we all know what happened to him, but still, Dr G 2:16did it involve stepping maybe Dr Rad 2:19you don’t get to throw a name as fabulous as that out there. Maybe and then not tell me what happened to this man. Dr G 2:25Look, Livy is letting you down right now. I’m sorry. Dr Rad 2:29Well, I mean, Dionysius has disappeared. So you know, glass houses, stones? Dr G 2:35I might not have any sources, but boy, do I have names? Dr Rad 2:39That’s right. Dr. G, let’s do a quick recap. So we’ve given a bit of a hint there about what happened last episode. But where are we up to in the narrative of rooms history last time we spoke? Dr G 2:52Look, as far as I can remember, it was a pretty exciting year full of ups and downs, military prowess by the Romans, everybody heading out down south for a bit of a battle at Mount Algidus and just mayhem generally speaking, I believe there was a dictator could be wrong about that. Dr Rad 3:13There definitely was a dictator. Dr G 3:15I had lots of like little supplementary sources hinting at various things that happened in this year because it was Tubertus as dictator and he was quite an incredible figure. And he’s made it into the history books, partly on the back of a story that we’re not sure can be fully ascribed to him. It might be apocryphal, that involves the killing of his own son for disobeying orders on the battlefield. Dr Rad 3:42Yeah, Postumius Tubertus showed his stuff on the battlefield against the aqueous and the Volscians to great acclaim. And then bit sour for us. Not for the Romans killed his own son. Maybe, maybe not. Dr G 3:57Yeah, yeah, if so: tragic, but also a huge demonstration of Roman virtus, placing the state before anything else. Dr Rad 4:05Exactly. So basically, we left Rome on a bit of a military high, I suppose you could say last episode. Yeah. They’re excited. Yeah, exactly. Which means it’s a perfect time to transition into another year. So I think we’re heading into 430 BC. All right, Dr. G, so it’s 430 BCE. Tell me who’s in charge. Dr G 4:53So it’s a good question. I literally have the names of the consoles and the names of the sensors. And that is almost all I have in terms of source material. Dr Rad 5:06I kind of fake it. Yeah, I kind of fake it and that’s why I thought I’d let you tell me who the magistrates were Dr G 5:11That’s very kind of you. So as you know, Dionysus of Halicarnassus is sadly missing in action is becoming more and more fragmentary, and will soon be completely gone. The Fasti Capitolini is also missing for these years. So we’re relying on some fastI records that are kind of like a little bit of a backup system. This means I’m left with source material like Diodorus Siculus, a little reference from Cicero, and a bit of Festus, which has never really been translated into English, so I had to do a bit of a dodge on the Latin. So Dr Rad 5:48Latin Oh, no. Dr G 5:50I know I used to be alright at Latin. Now it’s just a little bit tricky, but you know, I gave it a whirl. So our consuls for this year. Lucius, in brackets or Gaius Papirius, son of nobody grandson of nobody, Crassus, consul for the second time, apparently, also consul in 436 BCE. Dr Rad 6:15Yeah, they’re amazing. Papirius I remember that Dr G 6:18Papirius Crassus and he’s joined by Lucius. Or Gaius, Julius Vopiscus Iullus . Also a patrician, and was previously military tribune with consular power in 438 for people following the career, like a red hot razor, and was also most famously master of the horse in the previous year to Tubertus himself. So this guy has been elevated from being the master of the horse to the consulship. Fancy, Nancy. Dr Rad 6:55Nice, nice. Now, I believe you mentioned we have some censors as well. Dr G 6:59We do. And I mean, things are gonna get a bit weird with the sensors, I think, as I’m sure you’re about to tell me, but we have Lucius Papirius who sounds like he must be related to Lucius Papirius, the consul. I was like, I don’t think this is the same person. But I also can’t be sure Rome… Dr Rad 7:20I’m not gonna say anything yet. I’m not gonna say any Dr G 7:22Rome and their names we’ve got two Lucius Papirii, what could be going on. And we also have Publius Pinarius as the co-censor. So the job of the censor is count everything up, basically, check how the population is going, look at the distribution of the wealth and so forth. So I guess we’ll see what happens. Dr Rad 7:47We will, we will, I mean, their censorship has been an interesting controversy in this past decade. So it’s interesting that we have sensors named again. Now look, I’m not going to not gonna lie. Livy does not have a huge amount of detail for this year. If I’m not alone, I’m going to say yeah, I’m going to say I think this episode might be a low point for Livy as well, and you’ll see why later on. Not as it is not interesting, but just as in in terms of the depth of the information provided, but well, we’ll get to that. Of course, here we are in 430 BC, and what are the tribune of the plebs pushing for but military tributes with consular power? I think you can already know how that wound up given that you’ve given me the magistrates as consuls. Dr G 8:37Yeah. So they wanted this year to be filled with military treatments with consular power. Is that the idea? Dr Rad 8:43Yeah, they wanted military ship into the consular power but didn’t get there. It seems to be the way to be honest. They seem to lose more often than they win in this battle. So the previous year, as we mentioned, we had some conflict with the Aequians and the Volscians mentioned and the Romans did pretty well in that scenario. In this year the aqueous erstwhile enemies of room sent envoys to the Romans Senate requesting a treaty the Senate come back yes the Senate come back to the aqueous and say, You know what, why don’t you just flat out surrender and say that were awesome and where the man and nobody can be at room? Dr G 9:23Fascinating. Okay, so that’s, that’s not really a treaty. That’s just they’re asking Romans like, rather than a treaty, how about you completely submit to us? Dr Rad 9:32I think that the Romans are doing what I try and do, which is you ask for something that’s more than you want. And then you work your way down. Dr G 9:41I see. I see a great negotiating strategy from the victor of the battle. Dr Rad 9:46Yes, exactly. Anyway, it ends up happening that the Aequians secure an eight year truce with Rome. Dr G 9:54Okay, very specific. We’ll see how that goes. I know Dr Rad 9:57it is very specific, isn’t it? Eight years like why not just and even 10. Guys, just an x. Dr G 10:03I mean they use base 10. They, that’s odd. Okay. Dr Rad 10:07Yeah. Anyway, the Volscians of course, we’re also defeated in this recent military combat that was going on. But internally, they’re now facing division. And to be honest, this I love this because we often find that we end up talking about like, what’s happening in Rome after something big has happened. So it’s kind of nice to get a sneak peek into what apparently is happening for the Volscians. So there are those who want to secure peace with Rome, and those who want to, I think, pursue more war. So they’re kind of arguing amongst themselves, which means Rome is in a very peaceful state, right? There’s not a lot going on. Dr G 10:49Oh, yeah. Well, if the Volscii Aren’t organised, then they probably still mourning the loss of Messius. Well, I did say I kind of like if we can breed them like that maybe we can take the whole place and make it our own. Dr Rad 11:01Who knows. So the Romans turned to what they normally do in peaceful times, which is needless bureaucracy. Dr G 11:09I see the censorship I sense is coming. Dr Rad 11:12Yes, this is where it is coming in. So Livy mentioned that there was a new law introduced regarding the valuation of fines, which was very popular with the people. Now when it actually happened was that the tribune of the plebs were actually putting this law together, and they knew it would go down well with the people. Unfortunately, one of them got a little bit too chatty, loose lips sink, ships strategy. And so the consuls ended up putting forth a law before the tribunes and they get the credit. Dr G 11:43Oh, no. Okay, so distributors come up with a great law, only to have it stolen out from underneath them by the consuls. Fascinating. Dr Rad 11:53Yeah. Now, of course, I had no idea what they were talking about in terms of what this actually involved. I’ve got a little bit of detail on this, I think, okay, I can I can I can say this is where I think Cicero comes in. Dr G 12:05Yeah. Yeah. So Cicero’s sort of jumps in to the to breach the gap, as it were, of all of our the source material. And, you know, he’s spoiling on about a whole bunch of things like Cicero does. But he’s honing in on this moment of the censorship. And he gets the names, right, generally speaking, and he talks about this transfer of the imposition of fines. So and it’s something to do with lightening the final load for people and figuring out how to measure that so that they can distribute the fines appropriately, but also lower their sort of consequence. In effect, it seems like fines are getting out of control, and nobody’s very happy about it. And their choice seems to be to shift a number of cattle out of private ownership and into public ownership. Now, these are two details. And I do not know how they’re related. How does shifting some cows, from private to public ownership actually alleviate the situation with fines? And I think this is related to how they measure wealth. So how they count up somebody’s assets for the censorship test. If the cows are owned by the people, ‘the public’ as it were, rather than by a certain person individually, then that capital doesn’t count to your asset marker. So you’re looking after some cows, but you don’t technically own the cows. Dr Rad 13:42Interesting. Yeah. Well, when I was sort of doing a bit of digging into this, the previous law that was replaced by this law was apparently a local the Lex Aternia Tarpeia, which was introduced in 454 BCE, so not that long ago. And it apparently had set up the conversion rate for fine. So one ox was the equivalent of 10 sheep was the equivalent of 100 pounds of bronze or 100 asses – aw yeah. Give me that booty. Apparently, see, we’re not entirely sure what is happening with this new law. But we think that the conversion rate is what has been made more favourable. And probably because there might have been people who wish to pay in money, rather than in things like cattle, I guess. And so kind of might have ended the optional payment. This is just a theory. This is a set in stone. It might have ended the optional payment and it might mean that all fines had to be paid in money from this point onwards. Dr G 14:51Ah, this might tie in I’m not sure necessarily how, but Festus does suggest In a passage 220, from the Lindsay addition, if anybody’s keen for that, that it was about estimating cattle based on the hundreds within the herd for and then sheep were estimated based on the 10s in the herd. So they came up with a new counting method th…

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    A Dry Period Feb 15, 2023
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    Prepare yourself, dear listener, for a drought or two! After spending several episodes on individual years, we are speeding ahead in our latest episode. We are covering not one, not two, but THREE years in a single instalment. Join us as we tackle 430, 429 and 428 BCE.


    Financial Affairs

    The Romans enjoy a remarkably peaceful year in 430 BCE. This means that they can turn their attention to financial matters. At least the new law that is introduced seems to benefit the people.


    A Year About Nothing

    The citizens must be confused as the peace continued into 429 BCE. No war? No internal conflict? Are we trapped in an episode of Seinfeld?


    The Return of Cossus

    The ridiculously handsome Aulus Cornelius Cossus returns for a consulship in 428 BCE. Thank goodness! We need some eye candy around here. The drama returns to Rome with raiders from Veii and Fidenae. However, the Romans cannot stay mad for long. A severe drought devastates the people. We’ve hit a dry period in this very dry period.

    All the Romans could think about was how to improve their relationship with the gods. Will their luck turn around?

    Looking to catch up on why Cossus is so famed? We’ve got your back:

    • Episode 129 – Lars Tolumnius and the Fate of Fidenae
    • Episode 130 – The Cossus Controversy

    Things to Look Out For

    • Confusion over consuls (Who really was in charge in 428 BCE, Livy?)
    • Colony building
    • Irritating skin diseases
    • Aediles taking care of business
    • A special commission
    • Confusion over bovine equations
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    It’s around 431 BCE and Rome is busy contending with her neighbours in pretty much every direction. Turns out that it’s not easy trying to establish yourself as an independent state! It might just be time for a dictator. Enter: Aulus Postumius Tubertus.Episode 133 – Postumius Tubertus, DictatorRome is taking the need to put troops on the field seriously with a levy of the citizens held under the conditions of the lex sacrata, which is considered to be the most strict conditions requiring compliance in line with the gods. Who are they scared of? Only the most enduring thorns in their sides, their southern neighbours the Volsicians and the Aequians! It isn’t long before Rome is convinced that they need a dictator to sort out this mess.Getting to the point of having a dictator in place though is quite another story. In this episode we explore some intriguing details relating to the consuls, the tribunes of the plebs, and the interference of a certain patrician. Beyond them is the actual battle itself, which takes on grand overtones with comparisons made to Homer’s Iliad. This year is also tinged with a sense of tragedy with a story involving the dictator Aulus Postumius Tubertus and his son.Hold on to your hats, dear listener, this is going to be epic!Things to tune in for:Familiar locations like Mount AlgidusSome beef between the consuls!Intense leviesBattle plans!The heroism of Vettius MessiusOur Book on the Roman KingsWe've gone back to where it all began (or so the Romans would say…)We delve into the history, myth, and complexities of the ancient Roman kings. You can support our work and get a very cool ancient Roman history book in return by pre-ordering a copy of Rex: The Seven Kings of Rome from the Highlands Press. Due for release in late January 2023.Highlands Press is an independent publisher supporting historians and we’re excited to be pairing up with an indie producer for our debut book together.What did early Roman soldiers wear on the field? It's a good question, while we might assume leather was important protective gear, some elites likely had more sophisticated armour. Above is a bronze helmet of the Montefortino type. Considered to be the oldest type of metal Roman helmet. This example dates from the third century BCE and is now in the British Museum. Our PlayersConsulsTitus Quinctius L. f. L. n. Poenus Cincinnatus (Pat)Gaius/Gnaeus Iulius – f. – n. Mento (Pat)DictatorAulus Postumius – f. – n. Tubertus (Pat)Master of the HorseLucius Iulius (Vopisci f. C. ?n) Iullus (Pat)Military LegatesMarcus Fabius (Vibulanus) (Pat)Marcus? Geganius (Macerinus) (Pat)Spurius Postumius Albus (Regillensis) (Pat)Quintus Sulpicius (Camerinus Praetextatus) (Pat)Other PatriciansQuintus Servilius PriscusPontifex MaximusAulus Cornelius CossusVolsciansVettius MessiusOur SourcesDr Rad reads Livy ab Urbe Condita 4.26-29.Dr G reads Diodorus Siculus 12.64-65.1; Ovid Fasti 6.723f; Valerius Maximus 2.7.6; Plutarch Cam. 2; Gellius 17.21.17Broughton, T. R. S., Patterson, M. L. 1951. The Magistrates of the Roman Republic Volume 1: 509 B.C. – 100 B.C. (The American Philological Association) Cornell, T. J. 1995. The Beginnings of Rome: Italy and Rome from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars (c. 1000-264 BC) (Taylor & Francis) Forsythe, G. 2006. A Critical History of Early Rome: From Prehistory to the First Punic War(University of California Press)Ogilvie, R. M. 1965. A Commentary on Livy, Books 1-5 (Clarendon Press) Wilson, M. 2021. The Evolution of the Roman Dictatorship (University of Michigan Press)Sound EffectsSounds effects in this episode are sourced from BBC, Pixabay, and Pond5. Thanks to the highly talented Bettina Joy de Guzman for our theme music.Roman soldiers and their general by vukkostic. This painting imagines a Roman army much more organised and sophisticated than that of the early Republic. Nevertheless, it evokes the spirit of Roman warfare which is very much at play in this episode. Automated TranscriptWe've tried to edit this one to help with all the Roman names!Dr Rad 0:16Welcome to The Partial Historians.Dr G 0:20We explore all the details of ancient Rome.Dr Rad 0:23Everything from the political scandals, the love affairs, the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. Rad.Dr G 0:34And I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Roman saw it by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.Dr Rad 0:43Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city.Dr G 0:58Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode of The Partial Historians. I am one of your hosts, Dr. G. And sitting with me, across the vast distance of cyberspaceDr Rad 1:13Is Doctor Rad. Hello, everyone. Hello,Dr G 1:17hello. We're in for a thrilling time, I think in this episode. So we're going to be looking at 431 BCE. And you might think to yourself, that doesn't sound very exciting, just another number. But just us joinDr Rad 1:33us for this episode as we continue to trace the history of Rome from the founding of the city at the moment, predominantly with Livy by our side.Dr G 1:44Yeah, look, Dionysus of Halicarnassus, which is the main source that I've been reading for a long while now has dropped off the wagon, and will remain missing for a few more years before finally disappearing altogether.Dr Rad 2:00All right, well, before we get into force, anyone and all the excitement that awaits us strategy, should we do a brief recap to see what was happening in Roman history in our previous episode?Dr G 2:08Hmm. So in our previous episode, we covered two years, and it was 433 and 432. And realistically, it was mostly about a pestilence and the getting over of said pestilence.Dr Rad 2:25I think we can all relate to.Dr G 2:27Yes, yes. touches their heartstrings. That does, indeed, and Rome gets through it, but it seems that there might be rising tensions from their neighbors, people who are seeing Rome's malaise as an opportunity potentiallyDr Rad 2:44Indeed, you've got the fall scans in the aqueous rearing their ugly heads, and they seem to be potentially allying with the Etruscans. More specifically, perhaps the people from they because Rome has had some beef with a in the past decade over territory.Dr G 3:05Yeah, and Veii is super close to Rome, just a little bit to the north. And so it's perhaps unsurprising that these two are often at loggerheads with each other. Yes, absolutely.Dr Rad 3:14So we've got that lingering in the background. We've got Livy valiantly trying to continue to forge a conflict within Rome itself between the patricians and plebeians In our previous episode. So let's see how it all plays out shall we in 431 BCE?Dr G 4:51431 BCE What a time to be alive in ancient Rome. We have consuls this yearDr Rad 4:59we do in case you have forgotten, it was thought that with potential trouble with external places on the horizon, only consuls would do, because God forbid you have military turbulence with constant power and one of them's a plebeian and I mean, it's clearly going to result in a defeat.Dr G 5:20We can't take that risk. And Rome doesn't they put in Titus Quinctius, son of Lucius, grandson of Lucius, Poenus Cincinnatus, who is a patrician and yes, is related to the famous since I wasDr Rad 5:36gonna say it's a famous name. It's a famous name.Dr G 5:40So famous family and this appears to be one of his son.Dr Rad 5:43Okay, excellent. And then we've got another famous name I believe is our other consul.Dr G 5:48We do we have a Gaius or a Gnaeus, debate rages Julius MentoDr Rad 5:55I'm sorry, did you just offer me a breath mint?Dr G 5:59I did. It's delicious.Dr Rad 6:01What a weird cognomen.Dr G 6:04Yes, and I'd love to tell you more about it. But I'm out of my rabbit hole of cognomen. Nah, I'm good. I don't have anything to tell you on that.Dr Rad 6:13I can actually tell you what it means strategy. Oh, good. It means “long chin”.Dr G 6:20Oh, goodness. Well, well. What happens when a Mento and a Flaccinator end up in the same room?Dr Rad 6:29I feel like it is something something very peppermint tea that would happen. Not just to get long chin's always remind me of peppermint. That's fantastic. Yes. strong flavors. Definitely.Dr G 6:40The fresh maker.Dr Rad 6:41Yes.Dr G 6:43All right. So I mean, we've focused on Mento. But it's really the Gaius Julius element of the name that perhaps would ring bells for everybody. And it's not our guy were way too early for him. Yes.Dr Rad 6:57And it just in terms of the debate raging around his freedom. And so apparently, Gnaeus is not a name commonly used by the Julians, as again. So that's why I think there is some debate about that first name, whereas Gaius we know is definitely used by them.Dr G 7:17Definitely, definitely. But as a foreshadowing of the year ahead, I've got some other people holding power that are perhaps worthy of note, we do get a dictator in this, as far as I'm aware thatDr Rad 7:33the 430s is a time for dictators. They are literally flooding us with dictators at the moment.Dr G 7:40It's a stunning time to be a dictator. And we have Aulus Postumius Tubertus.Dr Rad 7:47Mmmm a familiar name again, the Postumii,Dr G 7:52indeed, I don't know if we've seen this specific guy before, but we've definitely seen the familyDr Rad 7:57just the family. Yeah.Dr G 7:58And if you have a dictator, you can always bet your sunshine, that you're also going to have a Master of the Horse. And this is Lucius Iulius Vopisci, or Vopisci, Iullus.Dr Rad 8:15Oh, okay.Dr G 8:16Another patrician.Dr Rad 8:17Is he related? Do you think to one of our consuls?Dr G 8:22Ahhh I don't. I don't know. I mean, they they come from the same gens. So I mean, they must be extended relations of some Yes. But all of the other names don't really match up. So that suggests they come from different family lines. But this guy we have seen before he was apparently a military tribune with consular power in 438. Okay. Okay. So I don't remember him. But we're getting into that period where all Roman names start to sound the same.Dr Rad 8:50So we're only now getting to that period? We're getting to that period?Dr G 8:55Just now just recently.Dr Rad 8:56Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough.Dr G 8:58We have some legates as well. So I think this is an indication usually we don't find out who the legates are. They are a military or some sort of military commander. So we don't tend to hear about them. They're usually around. But something has to sort of be quite narratively significant for the legates to get mentioned by name. And we have a few of them mentioned by name this year. So that gives us a bit of a heads up that there's something on the horizon. So we have Marcus Fabius Vibulanus, you may have heard of him before military tribute with consular power in 433.Dr Rad 9:36Ahh Fabulous FabianDr G 9:37Yes. Marcus, we think, Marcus Geganius Macerinus.Dr Rad 9:44I've definitely heard of him before.Dr G 9:46He was consul in 447, 443 and 437.Dr Rad 9:51Yes, I remember.Dr G 9:52Well, lots of lots of consulships under his belt. So this guy comes with a huge sort of pedigree so I like it. You is not as high up in the in the chain of greatness as being a consul but this guy would be highly respected as a military commander under a consul. And then we have Spurius Postumius Albus Regillensis.Dr Rad 10:14I've definitely heard that name before.Dr G 10:16sounds super familiar because just a couple of years ago, he was also a military tribute with consular power. So we've got a whole bunch of legates who have previously held command, essentially. So they're bringing in the big guns. And that's not all. I'm turning the page. We have Quintus Sulpicius Camerinus Praetextatus. Who was a consul or military tribute with consular power in 434.Dr Rad 10:51So he was from the year of chaos as it shall henceforth be called.Dr G 10:55Yeah, where we don't know who was who holding what, which position necessarily. It was so bad.Dr Rad 11:00Exactly. Exactly. All right. Well, I think this is our cast our cast of 1000s.Dr G 11:06Yeah, and I hope listeners that you've been paying careful attention because all of those names uniquely matter.Dr Rad 11:12Exactly then at all interchangeable. All right, so let me tell you what these guys are getting up to and why there are so many names mentioned specifically in the year 431. So as we know, war is looming. I guess that means I have to go back to my British accent from pre war was on the horizon. zactly it's not looking good chaps, quickly, we got to hell, the levy god dammit.Dr G 11:38Roll up, roll up, join the greatest army on earth,Dr Rad 11:42Your country needs you. Yes, that's exactly what happened. So a levy is held by the consuls, and it's held under a lex sacrata, because it's generally held to be the most effective way of gathering soldiers. Why do you ask? Well, I'll tell you, because whoever did not obey the call, to enlist, was considered sacer to the gods or forfeit to the gods. So, yeah, this, this ties into the idea that fighting was kind of a religious duty of a Roman citizen, particularly I suppose, at this point in time when Rome does not have a standing army.Dr G 12:25Yeah, service to the gods. Well, it makes sense in many respects, and we we've got a lot of priesthoods that are connected with either being able to read the signs to indicate whether it's an appropriate time to go to war, you've also got the fetiales who go out to ensure that the wars just in the eyes of the gods, there is a lot of sense in which Rome doesn't engage in any military action unless they really certain that things are looking appropriate through a divine perspective. So you certainly don't want men in your ranks who are not approved from divine sanction.Dr Rad 13:02Indeed, exactly. So what's going to happen is that the aid grants and the moleskin say, certainly postponed for a war for a year, but they're very punctual. And that year rolls around because they are getting ready. They have put forward very strong armies from both of their locales, they have met up at Mount Algidum, or Algidus, which we have mentioned several times as a point of conflict, it's just seems to be the place where battles happened. But they have set up separate camps. So they're not in they're close to each other. But they're not entirely in the one camp that will become important later on, which is why I'm specifically mentioning it now. And then they start to drill them in hard. So it's Train, train, train. The Romans presumably can see this and appreciate it because it makes them more concerned about the situation according to Liddy, so concerned that it's time for dictator.Dr G 14:02Oh, wow. That just happened also quickly, they're like, I saw them training over there. And I'm now really quite concerned and a console is not going to be enough for this situation.Dr Rad 14:13I really feel like if I were to characterize room in the 430s, at least as it's coming through in the sauces, it's that once they pop that cherry with one dictator, they can't help but keep going forward again. And again. It's just like, you know, it's kind of a bad habit. Really, it's a reflex.Dr G 14:32Well, this is interesting, actually, because I've just started reading Wilson's book on the evolution of the dictator. And part of the argument that he is setting up is to assert that the dictator has always been a feature of the Roman Republic. And is indeed, you know, it comes into being with the Republic itself very early on in the piece. And so, in a way in this…

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    Enslaved Women During Slave Revolts with Assistant Professor Katharine Huemoeller Jan 05, 2023
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    We were thrilled to sit down and talk with Assistant Professor Katharine Huemoeller about her research into the representation of enslaved women during slave revolts in ancient Rome. This conversation reveals plenty of food for thought about the representation of women in the ancient world as well as exploring the way women go on to be represented in later eras.Special Episode – Enslaved Women during Slave Revolts with Assistant Professor Katharine HuemoellerThe Slaves are RevoltingAnd rightly so. Conditions for enslaved people in ancient Rome could vary widely from difficult manual roles such as mining and agriculture to the challenges of proximity to enslavers in the domestic sphere. Human trafficking also has a significant role to play in understanding gladiators. Assistant Professor Huemoeller takes us through some of the main ways to consider slavery in Rome before turning our attention to three key slave revolts:Revolt of Volsinii (265 BCE)First Sicilian Slave War (135-132 BCE)Third Slave War/ Spartacus Slave War (73-71 BCE)These examples offer the opportunity to consider enslaved women a little more closely and it's here that the conversation gets really interesting.A coloured mosaic depicting two lovers together surrounded by attendants (likely slaves). One pour liquid from a vessel; one attends beside the bed. Image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons. Taken in the Kunsthistorisches Museum (Vienna, Austria)Things to Listen Out forThe role of menstruation during Spartacus' war against Rome!The agricultural uprising in Sicily and the ways in which slaves treated free womenThe challenges of reading with and against the evidence when it comes to the Volsinii And no conversation about Spartacus would be complete without a deep dive into the representation of women in Kirk Douglas' Spartacus (1960) and the more recent Starz series Spartacus: Blood and SandA painting called ‘The Slave Market' by Gustave Boulanger (1886) which shows a range of enslaved people waiting to be sold. Most wear discs around their neck indicating their enslaved status.MusicThanks to the glorious Bettina Joy de Guzman for our theme music.ReadingsHuemoeller, Katharine P. D. 2021. ‘Sexual Violence in Republican Slave Revolts‘ in Kamen, D., Marshall, C. W. (eds.) Slavery and Sexuality in Classical Antiquity (University of Wisconsin Press), 159-173.Huemoeller, Katharine P. D. 2020. ‘Freedom in Marriage? Manumission for Marriage in the Roman World‘ The Journal of Roman Studies 110: 123-139.Huemoeller, Katharine P. D. 2021. ‘Captivity for All? Slave Status and Prisoners of War in the Roman Republic‘ TAPA 151.1: 101-125.Automated TranscriptGenerated by Otter AI. Hopes and prayers for the AI learning our Australian accents, Latin terms, and other very niche phrases!Dr Rad 0:16Welcome to The Partial Historians,Dr G 0:19we explore all the details of ancient Rome.Dr Rad 0:23Everything from the political scandals, the love of ours, the battles waged and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. RadDr G 0:34and I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Romans saw it by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.Dr Rad 0:43Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city.Welcome to a special episode of The Partial Historians, I am one of your hosts Dr. RadDr G 1:07and I'm Dr. G.Dr Rad 1:09We are joined by a very exciting guest who shares some of our interests today, we are joined by Professor Huemoeller. Assistant Professor Huemoeller worked for a nonprofit, the National Women's Law Centre in Washington, DC for several years before returning to the academic world. She has taught at Princeton University, Middlebury College, and at US correctional facilities through the prison teaching initiatives. She is currently the Assistant Professor of Roman History at the University of British Columbia. And we are very excited to talk to her today, because her special areas of interest include things like slavery and sexual violence, and we're going to be another word excited about sexual violence. But we're excited that we're going to be talking about issues of slavery and gender. That's probably what I should say. So welcome to the show.Katharine Huemoeller 1:59Thank you so much. That always happens to me. I can't wait to teach this class on slavery. It'll be interesting that Yeah.Dr Rad 2:08All right. So let's kick off with one of our introductory questions. So you've obviously written a lot about incidents of slave results in the Roman Republic, but just to set the scene for our listeners, can you tell us a little bit about the status of slaves in Rome?Katharine Huemoeller 2:24Yeah, absolutely. So I'll talk specifically about slaves in the Republican era, because slavery is quite distinct in different periods of Roman history. And it really sort of takes off in terms of numbers in the Italian peninsula, in the third and second centuries BCE, as Rome expands, more and more people are trafficked into Italy, and sold on the slave market. So there's a direct link between Roman conquest and the growth of the Roman Empire and the growth of the Roman slave system. But what slavery looked like and how it was experienced was extremely diverse. And some people were were employed on plantation style, agricultural estates, for surplus, you know, production of food, with very, very tough conditions, very harsh conditions, and very little chance of ever being manumitted, much less living a very long life. Other people lived in an urban context, or worked in a domestic context. And the lived conditions were perhaps a bit better than agricultural slavery. But it came with its own horrors, including proximity to owners, maybe increased chance of sexual violence and sexual exploitation, especially for enslaved women, but also for enslaved men. So it looked really different depending on who your owner was, and where you lived, and also, who you were, where you came from. And if you are a man or a woman or a child or an adult.Dr G 3:58Yeah, it's a there's a lot to take in when it comes to thinking about like the status of slaves in the ancient Roman world, just because there are so many diverse areas that somebody could end up in in terms of like, their place, either like, maybe it will be mining, maybe it will be in the field, maybe it will be in the home. And all of those come with their own risks. And to I don't think we should ever underestimate the nature of the human workforce that is being utilised in many ancient societies in particularly ancient Rome, just in terms of when you look back to see what was achieved and also the labour that was utilised to achieve those things. So thank you so much for giving us a bit of a taste of the things that are going to be coming out. As we delve further into the questions.Katharine Huemoeller 4:53That point about under estimating is an important one too, because the big challenge with ancient slavery is I mean, we can say It looks very diverse, that's clearly true. But it's hard to say much else definitively because our record for ancient slavery is is so difficult. And certain types of slavery, certain sleeving strategies appear appear more clearly in the historical record than others. So we have more information, for example, about agricultural slavery in this period, you know, and sort of less idea what's going on in a domestic context or more information about enslaved men than about enslaved women. So it's always the question of filling in these very large gaps in our archive.Dr Rad 5:35Oh, definitely. Look, we've found we've been looking at the Roman monarchy a bit because we've been working on a book on that period. And as you said, I tend to think of slavery more later in room's history, you know, during the Republic, when we start to see those big wars that are happening, and lots of people being captured in a conflict and then being made slaves, and then that obviously setting up the possibility of having more slaves because their people are bought into slavery, etc, etc. But the crazy thing was that when we actually stopped and looked at the records, there were references to slaves, and they were everywhere, even in that very early period. And whilst Okay, yeah, some things you know, you might look at them as being maybe troops or something like that. There's just so many references to think that slavery itself wasn't a part of Roman society, even all the way back at the beginning.Katharine Huemoeller 6:27Yeah, I completely agree. And I think there's still a lot of work to be done on these earlier forms of slavery. I mean, obviously, it's in the tall tables, which I know you guys covered. And that's a great indication that it's, you know, significant, and it's a maybe a fairly clear demarcated legal status. But then, of course, it's also, you know, only one of many different types of dependency in that period, including debt bondage, and, and maybe there was less of a clear line between these types of exploitation. And then the other issue, of course, is that I think in that early period, maybe there are more enslaved people coming from closer to the city of Rome, as opposed to from very far away. And so I expect there, you know, there's a difference there in terms of the relationship of ethnicity and slavery, but I think there's a lot more work to be done.Dr G 7:17Definitely. Yeah, once you start looking into the little tidbits that we do have access to is like, Yeah, you get the sense that this is a much wider picture. And there's much more that we can learn as we go along. So thinking about your work and where it has led you in your research, you have focused on three main revolts, slave revolts. So when people are rising up against these conditions that they have found themselves in their lack of agency, and then recapturing that through the process of revolt. And I'm wondering if we can just go through the details of them a little bit. So starting with the revolt of the Volsinii in 265 BCE? What's going on there?Katharine Huemoeller 8:00Yeah, this is one I really didn't know much about until I started researching this topic. This the Spartacus revolt is very famous, right?Dr Rad 8:07I've never heard of it.Katharine Huemoeller 8:14So um, so this revolt is as definitely more small scale earlier on right in the third century, middle third century. And the sources for it are a bit sketchy, but it is attested in multiple sources. And what seems to happen is that there's some sort of uprising in this atrocity and city. And it's a sort of class struggle, and the exact identity of the people rising after it is different in different sources. In some sources, they're enslaved people. And it's a serious enough for revolt that the city asks Rome to intervene and assist and, you know, setting the social order back to what it was. So that's, that's one of these revolts. And I think it's an interesting one, because it's clear that there's actually a lot of smaller scale revolts happening in the third and second century that we only hear little snippets about, but it seems actually to have been quite frequent. And Amy racialist has done some work on gathering these into a timeline in her slave theatre book. So, just recognising that probably this is happening quite frequently in the Italian peninsula and these two in these two centuries, even though you know, the ones we hear about are these larger scale ones that are called the really the first second and third servile wars essentially. So moving into the second one there, or the first one there, that's a little less than a century later and the 130s in on the island of Sicily. So, all of these are taking place, you know, I guess I say the Italian peninsula but including Sicily, so in you know, Italy, Southern Italy and Sicily, in regions where agriculture is, you know, predominant. And this first slave revolt is led by a charismatic figure named Yunus As who sort of rises up in one of the major cities in the Catanian plain of Sicily, again, this really important sort of grain producing region, and he manages to, you know, work with other enslaved people in the area to capture the city, and then the revolt spreads to the whole island. And you know, that's when, of course, Rome takes notice. And then the third one that's quite that I focus on is the Spartacus slave war, sometimes known as the third slave war, which again, is happening a little less than a century after that. So in the 70s BCE, and in this one, an interesting man, a very enigmatic man named Spartacus, who is maybe Thracian, maybe not, is captured and enslaved in a gladiatorial school in Capua, and manages to break out along with other enslaved Gladiators, and maybe his wife, but we'll get to that. And once again, you know, similarly to the first slave revolt, the revolt is sort of, at first seen as a minor thing, and not much effort is put to putting it down. And then it sort of grows in size as the rebel army starts to grow as encompasses other people, other enslaved people, but also maybe other free but disenfranchised people in the south of Italy. And it becomes a quite massive revolts that, you know, the Roman army actually takes a few years to suppress.Dr Rad 11:29Amazing, thank you so much for that. So obviously, there's a lot that is interesting about these slave revolts. But I believe the reason that you have focused on these ones in your article was that these revolts involve violence, and particularly, they are revolts that involve sexual violence. And we've got records of that. So what did you notice about the way this violence has been represented in the sources?Katharine Huemoeller 11:57Yeah, so these these revolts came to my notice, because I am currently working on a book project on the sexual exploitation of enslaved people. And what I noticed in these revolts is that one of the types of violence that the enslaved rebels are said to direct at the free people, and particularly at their enslavers is sexual violence. And so I was interested in looking at sort of what how that manifested itself, not so much to understand what happened during these revolts. But instead to understand from the perspective of these free writers, what did they think enslaved people wanted to rebel against? What kind of violence did they think they wanted to inflict on the Masters, understanding that this is essentially a sort of role reversal, where the enslaved people are said to inflict the types of violence that they themselves have experienced as slaves? So I thought this could tell me something about the conditions of slavery. What I found when I looked at the sources is that there's actually lots of different types of sexual violence that are inflicted on free people in these revolts. But it's all directed at free women. And so what we see is that the slave rebels are said to commit acts of rape, and other types of sexual outrage, essentially, it's very vague, to free matrons and to free virgins, and that these are done in front of their husbands or fathers. And that second part of that second detail clued me in to the fact that these acts are actually sort of intended to injure the free men, using the free women sort of as an instrument. And so that's, that's what I became interested in, through studying these is the way in which these enslaved men are sort of claiming the privileges of free masculinity in the revolts.Dr G 13:56Yeah, this is a really interesting aspect and insight into Roman sexuality, isn't it? Because the this ties back into these ideas about the power that is thought to be inherent from a Roman perspective in sexu…

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    The White Album Dec 15, 2022
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    We leave behind the outraged censors of 434 BCE and move forward into some troubled domestic times for Rome. The solution? Fashion, darling. White togas are out, so we suggest you find something appropriate to wear for this one. Episode 132 – The White AlbumProblems Plague the Romans433 BCE begins like many other years: irate tribunes, obstinate patricians. However, political disputes come to a screeching halt when an epidemic breaks out. How will Rome handle this crisis? The past decade has not been easy, and now a plague? Perhaps a temple will solve everything. Image of the remains of the Temple of Apollo Medicus Sosianus. Courtesy of Anthony Majanlahti via Flickr.The White AlbumIn 432 BCE, the tribunes of the plebs are feeling well enough to start complaining. Why have no plebeians been elected to office? They pushed for the creation of military tribunes with consular power so that plebeians could hold the most elite positions in the state, but no one is electing them into power.The tribunes decide to put forward a law that would ban the wearing of the toga candida. This garment was an especially white toga, worn by those seeking political office. This is an odd move so early in the Republic, but Livy assures us that the law was passed.Is the banning of white togas enough to get a plebeian into power? Join us to find out!Things to Listen Our For:The FlaccinatorApollo MedicusBooks of prophecySecret meetingsWhite togasLooking to catch up the decade of the 430s and where this chaos all began? Jump back in time to the drama of 439 BCE with Episode 127: The Assassination of Spurius Maelius.Our Players 433 BCEMilitary Tribunes with Consular PowerM. Fabius (Q. f. M. n.) Vibulanus (Pat) Cos. 442M. Folius – f. – n. Flaccinator (Pat)L. Sergius C. f. C. n. Fidenas (Pat) Cos. 437, 429, Mil. Tr. c. p. 424, 418Our Players 432 BCEMilitary Tribunes with Consular Power L. Pinarius – f. – n. Mamercinus (Pat)L. Furius Sp. f. – n. Medullinus (Pat) Mil. Tr. c. p. 425, 420Sp. Postumius (Sp.?f. A.? n.) Albus (Regillensis) (Pat)Our SourcesDr G reads Diodorus Siculus 12.58.1, 12.60.1Dr Rad reads Livy ab Urbe Condita 4.25.Broughton, T. R. S., Patterson, M. L. 1951. The Magistrates of the Roman Republic Volume 1: 509 B.C. – 100 B.C. (The American Philological Association)Chase, G. D. 1897. ‘The Origin of Roman Praenomina’ Harvard Studies in Classical Philology 8: 103-184.Cornell, T. J. 1995. The Beginnings of Rome: Italy and Rome from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars (c. 1000-264 BC) (Taylor & Francis)Forsythe, G. 2006. A Critical History of Early Rome: From Prehistory to the First Punic War(University of California Press) Sound EffectsFesliyan Studios, Orange Free Sounds and BBC Sound Effects. Thanks to the highly talented Bettina Joy de Guzman for our theme music.Where can you buy our book?We're thrilled to announce that we have a written a book together!We delve into the history, myth, and complexities of the ancient Roman kings. You can support our work and get a very cool ancient Roman history book in return by pre-ordering a copy of Rex: The Seven Kings of Rome from the Highlands Press. Due for release in late January 2023. Highlands Press is an independent publisher supporting historians and we're excited to be pairing up with an indie producer for our debut book together.This is the artefact unedited from the top of this post. Marble statue of a togatus (man wearing a toga), 1st century CE. While this sculpture is from a little later than the action of this episode, the draping of the toga gives us an insight into what the early republicans may have worn as well.Image courtesy of the Met Museum.Automated TranscriptGenerated by Otter AISUMMARY KEYWORDSpatrician, plebeians, power, plague, vote, romans, rome, military, people, consoles, tributes, year, bit, magistrates, temple, episode, candidates, reference, etruscans, flagsSPEAKERSDr Rad, Dr GDr Rad 00:16Welcome to The Partial Historians,Dr G 00:20we explore all the details of ancient Rome.Dr Rad 00:23Everything from the political scandals, the love of ours, the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. Rad.Dr G 00:34And I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Roman Sword by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.Dr Rad 00:43Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city. Welcome to a brand new episode of the partial historians. I am one of your host, Dr. AD and joining me in cyberspace. Ooh, woohoo.Dr G 01:14It's me. It's ducted Gee, yeah,Dr Rad 01:17uncharacteristically not recording together together.Dr G 01:21It does feel weird. Hopefully that doesn't influence the way that anybody feels about our charisma together.Dr Rad 01:27Never. We are full of charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent. So Dr. G, the last time that we met, we had possibly one of the most confusing years to deal with. So let's step back in time and do a brief recap of 434 BCE in ancient Roman history, but the fingers out the fingers, I don't think a trigger to translate in the podcast media.Dr G 01:54It's really disappointing. All right, I did my fingers to suggested we'll go back in time, but you'll just have to imagine that for yourselves listeners for 34 BCE, what a time to be alive. It was chaos, I have to say, That's my summationDr Rad 02:08in terms of who was a magistrate and who was not, it was very difficult to figure out because we had pretty much everything that the Romans could possibly throw at us. consoles,Dr G 02:19we had two pairs of consoles. So that's a lot of consoles, way more than anybody needs. We had a set of military tributes with controller power, there was about three of those, and at least one dictator, maybe more dictators.Dr Rad 02:34We did indeed, it was very confusing. And there seems to be because there was a lot of chaos in terms of what was actually what the Romans were actually dealing with. Was there a threat from a neighbouring city wasn't there. It all seemed to build up to something that never quite happened.Dr G 02:54And this also seems to tie into like broader issues that our sources our written sources are having with like dealing with the weird chronology that they've ended up with because they want every year to exist independently of each other, but they're not sure where things started. And some of their calculations are now starting to crop up as mistake. Yeah, definitely. But certainly, there's been some issues with the Etruscans. It didn't seem to come too much last time, but it seems to be why we had so many magistrates. Yeah, there's some issues and there's this ongoing situation that Rome has at this stage with all of their neighbours, and there's a lot of grumpiness, and there's a lot of switching of sides. And Rome stamp sets feet and this year, it just has, like everybody had a turn. It was a carousel of magistrates. Everybody took a ride on the magisterial horse as it were,Dr Rad 03:46which is funny because of them were actually the Magister EquisetumDr G 03:52Yeah. Gotta ride that horse. Somebody's got to do it. We got a whole roll forDr Rad 03:57that now. So master of the horse is the pattern there just in case you didn't catch my excellent Latin. So with that in mind, the fact that 434 was building up to be something spectacular and then really fizzled out. I think it's time to journey forward in our narrative history of ancient Rome into 433 Hopefully with livie and Dionysius our main sources by our side, but perhaps notDr G 04:24Oh, you've got big dreams I have to die this is a harlequin so this is definitely missing.Dr Rad 04:30Yeah, well journey for which just leave you by our side onwards Libby.Dr G 04:36Libby is carrying a lot of weightDr Rad 05:00I'm for 33 BC who are our magistrates this year? Dr. J.Dr G 05:07Look, as far as I can tell you, we've only got military tributes with concealer powder. That is what I have as well. But just your way I'm gonna tell you all about Yeah, likeDr Rad 05:17I'm here for it because I can see that one of them is a Fabian. Oh, fabulous.Dr G 05:26Fabulous Fabian. And yet, for me, not the most interesting of the three, but we'll get into that. So we've got Marcus Fabius, some of Quintus, grandson of Marcus villainous a patrician previously consoling for 40 to be about 10 years. All right, it's time for another tour around the block of power and thenDr Rad 05:49we've got a new name, which is a very unfortunate name. I'm gonna sayDr G 05:53I'm into this guy. I'm ready for it. This is my new favourite markers foliaceus Son of whoever grandson of whoever FLAC andDr Rad 06:03I think for people to really capture how awful the name is. I think we need to say more more English so fascinator. I am the flat senator. I live ladies on satisfied all over the city.Dr G 06:19I find yourself last night. I love the way that you said we need to pronounce it more English and then immediately went into a GermanDr Rad 06:29You had me this off. See the saucy Oh, I should Oh, I shouldn't say too soft to see. Yeah, exactly.Dr G 06:37It was too much too much. One for the flag. inators right there. So the name flax and ADA. I looked into this because I loved it so much. And I had a good giggle. It comes from flax, EO to flag. So potentially this name could be interpreted as somebody who makes flags or somebody who puts up flags. Okay, somebody who flags things.Dr Rad 07:01I was gonna say, I don't really associate the Romans with flags. I mean, like, yeah,Dr G 07:05family line is not going to last for very long. That's the other spoiler that'sDr Rad 07:10that's even more puzzling, because I feel like flags would be more necessary later.Dr G 07:16Yes, but But I think maybe the sexual pun on Flesner. NATO was maybe too much for a Roman family to handle. And so they've left the name.Dr Rad 07:25Understandable. They are very big on masculinity. Yeah,Dr G 07:29yeah. And this, this doesn't bode well for poor old markers now. And finally, we have Lucia circus, son of Gaius, grandson of guys for DNS previously consoler for 37. Yeah, I wasDr Rad 07:44gonna say now this is the guy that got the name from the whole conflict overfeeding a that colony, that treacherously turned to the Etruscans.Dr G 07:54Yeah, so this is interesting as well. So I did this is one of my rabbit holes for these episodes, it's basically all they have is these three names, and nothing else. I started looking in to what's going on with Roman names, because that's always like part of how you can build a narrative out around them. And so we've got villainous, and this name is thought to be a topping mimic kind of cognomen. So it's based on a place I was gonna say,Dr Rad 08:23I feel like I have heard something close to that before. And I don't know whether it's in the name or the place.Dr G 08:30Yeah, and to be honest, we're not sure where the place that's connected to this name would be located. Okay. So that's a bit of a problem for us, Flack and NATO, we've already had that reference back to flat out. Yeah. And for DNS, as you know, is that connection to feed and a, which is this ancient sort of Latin city that the Romans have tried to claim for quite some time, entered into some negotiations with and have recently been in the bad books road because they threw their lot in with the Etruscans, which Rome was not satisfied about now. So we've got this sense that Rome is drawing in people from all around the local region, essentially. And that's part of what we can say with these names.Dr Rad 09:13I've definitely not heard the name foliaceus beforeDr G 09:17Yeah, and this seems to be a really small gains. I did a little bit of research on this one as well. So Marcus folios flax inator, as I like to callDr Rad 09:27that if I can, I was gonna say please, yeah. This is one case where you do not want to drop theDr G 09:33No no, I don't the flax inator himself. He comes from against portfolios. This is a really small gains. It doesn't produce many family lines, and we don't know much about it. So it seems to not last beyond the early republic. So I'm fascinated to see if they come up again.Dr Rad 09:49I think I know why they didn't last very long.Dr G 09:54Have you been have trouble keeping it up as it were? It's hard to produce. It's hard to continue the line when everything is So flat.Dr Rad 10:02Oh, I have to move on for this thing. All right. Well, I do have a little bit of detail for you about 433 Not a tonne, but I do have a little bit. So the tribunes of the plebs, they haven't been super painful for some time. So they decided that for 33 is their moment to reassert their awfulness, at least, I believe, at least as far as Patricia narratives are concerned. So basically, they are blocking consular elections from happening. They're absolutely adamant that it's not going to happen. And they were being such an obstacle that the Romans were close to having to move to an interregnum. Now there's a word I didn't think I'd say at this point in the Republic.Dr G 10:48Is that even something that you can do if you're not planning to hire a king?Dr Rad 10:52I guess I mean, I guess it's that idea of, you know, not having someone holding that ultimate magisterial power.Dr G 11:01We're unable to run the elections in time. And now we need a holding pattern until we can get the elections off the ground.Dr Rad 11:07I mean, and maybe it was just, I mean, look, this could just be living here. I mean, let's face it. But it could also be the fact that they kind of know that this is, this is something that's an option, I guess. They're kind of like, well, we need to have something happening somewhere. We can't have consoles, or we don't want to have military attributes with constantly power, then this is really our only way out of this situation without having again. So maybe that maybe it's that anywho as you might suspect, eventually it turns to military treatments with consular power. So that's why we have those three guys with a spectacular array of names. The aim being that they would obviously be a poor being elected. I mean, presumably, that's why the tribunes are being so painful, and trying to make sure that it's not consoles, because they want to finally get a plug in, in office strategy. But then, once again, they're all freaking patricians.Dr G 12:10I was gonna say, I mean, if that was the goal, surely they've been watered because every man on this list of military tributes with Coachella power is a patrician iDr Rad 12:19there and it always seems to obviously, add some sort of justification to this idea that the plebeians really aren't equipped to do the job. And the and the plebeians themselves know it, because they're not voting for them. Apparently, they Well,Dr G 12:36I don't know, I don't think they ever get a real chance to to be honest, we know the voting system is pretty rigged in a chip room.Dr Rad 12:42It is and this is actually but I think that in in the way that it's represented the way that live he throws out these little comments every now and then it is like the plebeians themselves aren't voting for plebeians, that they are acknowledging the patricians to be superior candidates not in this case, specifically doesn't specifically say that about this case, but in previous elections, this is kind of what he's intimated.Dr G 13:04It's really Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? Because I feel like I mean, Libby is not a Roman is he's have? Well, I'm just I'm just trying to put this into…

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    In this episode, we delve into the craziness of the mid-430s BCE. The Romans are feeling the pressure, so they order dictators by the dozen.Episode 131 – Dictators by the DozenFreaking FidenaeIn 435 BCE the Romans are once more battling the Etruscans over the issue of Fidenae. Fidenae had once been a Roman colony, until they treacherously switched their allegiances to the city of Veii. They must have felt bold, because in 435 BCE they started pillaging Roman territory.To add insult to serious injury, the people of Fidenae and Veii crossed the River Anio and set up camp near the Colline Gate. The Romans could not ignore such provocative behaviour, even if they were suffering through a pestilence. This was scary stuff! Time for dictator number one.Quintius Servilius was appointed dictator and he wasted no time rallying forces. The Romans found themselves besieging the people of Fidenae. Hopefully, the dictator has some clever strategies up his sleeve…A Total Train-wreck + Dictators434 BCE is a year so confusing that even our sources can’t work it out. We have two sets of consuls, military tribunes with consular power, dictators, AND censors. What on earth is going on?While it is difficult to be sure of the power dynamics in the city this year, there are definitely some interesting struggles going on in Rome.Things to Listen Out For Dictators… dictators everywhere!Cunning plans to capture citiesSpiteful censorsScary tax hikesA lovely cross-promo from indie podcast The Delicious Legacy!Looking to catch up the decade of the 430s and where this chaos all began? Jump back in time to the drama of 439 BCE with Episode 127: The Assassination of Spurius Maelius.Image courtesy of the University of Michigan PressOur Players 435 BCEConsulsC. Iulius (-f. – n. Iullus?) (Pat) Cos. 447, 434?L. (or Proc.) Verginius – f. – n. Tricostus (Pat)DictatorQ. Servilius P. f. Sp. n. Priscus Fidenas (Pat)Master of the HorsePostumus Aebutius – f. – n. Helva Cornicen (Pat) Cos 442CensorsC. Furius – f. – n. Paculus Fusus (Pat) Cos 441, Mil. Tr. c.p. 426M. Geganius M. f. – n. Macerinus (Pat) Cos. 447, 443, 437Our Players 434 BCEConsuls434 BCE is a a busy year and there's two sets of consuls!C. Iulius – f. – n. Iullus (Pat) Cos. 447, 435L. (or Proc.) Verginius – f. – n. Tricostus (Pat) Cos. 435M. Manlius – f. – n. Capitolinus (Vulso?) (Pat)Q. Sulpicius Ser.?f. – n. Camerinus Praetextatus (Pat)Military Tribunes with Consular PowerSer. Cornelius – f. – n. Cossus (Pat)M. Manlius P. f. – n. Capitolinus (Vulso?) (Pat)Q. Sulpicius Ser.?f. – n. Camerinus Praetextatus (Pat)DictatorMam. Aemilius M. f. – n. Mamercinus (Pat) Mil. Tr. c. p. 438Master of the HorseA.Postumius – f. – n. Tubertus (Pat)Our SourcesDr G reads Diodorus Siculus 12.36; Cicero Cato Maior De Senectute 16.56; Cicero Mil. 3.8; Dionysius of Halicarnassus Roman Antiquities 12.1-4; Valerius Maximus 5.3.2g.Dr Rad reads Livy ab Urbe Condita 4.21-24.Broughton, T. R. S., Patterson, M. L. 1951. The Magistrates of the Roman Republic Volume 1: 509 B.C. – 100 B.C. (The American Philological Association)Cornell, T. J. 1995. The Beginnings of Rome: Italy and Rome from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars (c. 1000-264 BC) (Taylor & Francis)Forsythe, G. 2006. A Critical History of Early Rome: From Prehistory to the First Punic War(University of California Press) Wilson, M. 2021. Dictator: The Evolution of the Roman Dictatorship (University of Michigan Press).Sound EffectsThanks to BBC Sounds, Orange Free Sounds and Sound Bible for sound effects, and the glorious Bettina Joy de Guzman for our theme music.While not strictly speaking a painting of a dictator, this painting certainly carries the mood of a single man in command of the Roman populace. William Holmes Sullivan Julius Caesar', Act III, Scene 2, Marc Antony's Oration, Royal Shakespeare Company Collection.Automated TranscriptGenerated by Otter AI SUMMARY KEYWORDSdictator, consoles, people, patrician, rome, power, etruscans, censorship, detail, happening, military, livy, apparently, bit, year, city, point, historian, skins, sonThe Delicious Legacy Podcast 00:01Hello, my name is Thom Dinos and I'm the creator of The Delicious Legacy podcast. Join me to time travel together through food to explore archaea, astronomical mysteries, unknown herbs and long lost recipes that will take you to the lavish feasts of ancient Greece all the way through to Ancient China and in the kitchens of kings in mediaeval Europe. Who made the first cheese and why how beer was made. What is Garo? silphium? And can I find these now, through the accounts of ancient writers and talking to experts have a dinner we find out. So subscribe or follow now wherever you get your podcasts, including Apple podcasts, Google and Spotify, and listen for free, to The Delicious Legacy Podcast.Dr Rad 01:02Welcome to the partial historians,Dr G 01:05we explore all the details of ancient Rome.Dr Rad 01:09Everything from the political scandals, the levels as the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. Rad.Dr G 01:19And I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Roman Sword by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.Dr Rad 01:29Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city.Dr G 01:51Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode of the partial historian's. I am Dr. G,Dr Rad 01:59and die and Dr. BradDr G 02:01looking fabulous as usual.Dr Rad 02:02Give me such a nice compliment. And I always forget to give you names just because you're just a naturally beautiful, I don't think I need to see the camera can see you this time so they can see the truth.Dr G 02:16So we have been tracing rooms history from the foundation of the city that we have, and it's been a wild ride so far. And it's only gonna get worse. I think we're entering into thisDr Rad 02:28period. Wait, wait, we promised at the end of the previous episode that it was going to be better.Dr G 02:34Oh, like I can't make any guarantees about what I may or may not have promised at the end of the last Samsung. I don't know we're entering into this period where we're going to see more and more dictators. So I think you know, we've seen some already, but just you wait, you ain't seen nothing yet. Yeah, we're heading down that kind of halfDr Rad 02:52definitely. So to do a quick recap, Dr. g of where we're at, in this journey of Rome, from the founding of the city, deep in the Roman Republic that we are, we just covered the year 436. And in 436, we saw quite a few things happening in my account. So a little bit of reading happening, but nothing too serious on the military front. And then you had some detail about some of the domestic occurrencesDr G 03:17that were going on. I did but I mean, my sources are pretty thin on the ground right now. And I feel like I'm not really building any sort of narrative momentum myself and sort of understanding what's happening in this period. And it's partly because my great friend, my soloists in hard times Dionysius of Halicarnassus, is music.Dr Rad 03:34Well, certainly what we saw in the bits that you put together and the bits that I had from levy was that there is seemingly another tribune of the plebs called spurious. Malleus will trying to seek vengeance or in his words, justice against the men who were involved in either murdering or triggering the murder of the regional spirits.Dr G 04:00I think it's far more likely that spurious maelys came back from the dead.Dr Rad 04:05We'll let the audience decide. But anyway, and so he seems to have been going after a holla or at least a house property because a holler of course is in exile and then also Manoukian is who was the prefect of the green? Who reported me aliases suppose and treachery doesn't get very far though I don't think because even though he's got the name a pestilence breaks out. And also I don't think people who were digging his his whole vibeDr G 04:34Yeah. Which is weird. I feel like the narrative who's not making a lot of sense right nowDr Rad 04:39look, I think it just goes to show that it is not the case that a rose by any other name. Well, I think you Shakespeare right, any so yeah, there's a few things happening. Definitely the plague. I think it's the most significant for 36 But I feel safe now saying that we can delve into For 35Dr G 05:22We have some consoles we have Gaius Julius okay. Yes son of grandson. Oh of question mark. Ooh, this question mark. So much is unknown, a patrician console for the second time previously console in 447.Dr Rad 05:41Definitely so fairly recentDr G 05:44fairly recent. Yeah. Doesn't stand out in my memory is significant. Maybe I forgotten something.Dr Rad 05:49Now that was that time period right after the for the second December when it was kind of a bit like, like there wasn't a lot of detail. Yeah,Dr G 05:57okay. Yeah. And we also have Lucien or propolis. The guinea Yes. Son of grants on off, try CostasDr Rad 06:08also a patrician. Also a protrusion. Definitely yeah. Gonna have some other night yesterday. So this year.Dr G 06:16We are out we are going to have some sensors, huh? So we're going to have GaiusDr Rad 06:23furious nice to return the fury AIDr G 06:28pack Ulus versus patrician previously consoling 441 and Marcus Gurgaon is son of Marcus Massa Rhenus. Yes console many times 447 So with old mate Euless. 443 Yeah, and 437 only like a couple of years ago apparentlyDr Rad 06:53made such an impression.Dr G 06:55And but wait, things get out of hand this year, who knew? There's going to be a dictator.Dr Rad 07:01Wow. Dictators recently,Dr G 07:07not really giving that the Quintus Sebelius, son of Publius, grandson of spurious Priscus muddinessDr Rad 07:18patrician, yeah.Dr G 07:20Yeah, the guy who captures for DNA,Dr Rad 07:23yes. And we've also got a dictator. And you know, you've also got to have a master ofDr G 07:27the horse. Everybody's got to be in charge of Horses, Don't They? Yeah. costumers a beauteous Hoover coolican. Sounds like he has Gordon's I hope that's not true forDr Rad 07:37him. But there are so many Roman names which have medical connotations to me, but that's probably because.Dr G 07:46Yes, yeah, infiltration of Latin into western medicine console of 442. So a lot of people that we've seen before in various guises. Now, back for some action. And I'm really excited for what you're going to tell me about this year, because I have always literally nothing else. But this list of names.Dr Rad 08:06Well, look, I'm not gonna lie. This is the period. I think that's probably the murkiest I've ever seen Big Core. I know, that way. It's because there does seem to be a lot of blending of years in levies account, I don't think it's quite as clear cut as it usually is. So to be honest, we enforce anywhere. I mean, yes. That's whyDr G 08:29I keep saying I think spirits Malleus could have just come back from the dead. So we don't know what's happening with this chronology right now.Dr Rad 08:35This is true. This is true. The chronology is all shutter Hill, I am dividing them up into 436 and 435. But it's probably slightly arbitrary. I don't know there seems to be a lot of blending going on here. Certainly, I think with the whole plague situation. This might be part of the problems, after all. Leary himself said it's problematic period. In that last episode that we were we talked a lot about hisDr G 09:01song. Yeah, it's troublesome. I mean, if everybody's tick, who's going to be writing up the fastI? And we're like, guys are going to take leave?Dr Rad 09:07Good question. It's good question. So anyway, so we've got our consoles to start off the obviously. So we've got our Gaius Reus. And we've got our looses the Guinness as consoles, the people of room are terrified. They've got a really big job on their hands. Now, as often happens when you've got domestic problems of this magnitude, nobody's super concerned about campaigning outside of Roman territory at this point in time. So you may wonder, why am I saying that? Well, that's because we've been dealing with these issues with the Etruscans for the last couple of years. And there's question mark over the loyalties of a Roman colony, kidney. So I'm mentioning it in the sense that this is a time where that almost makes it backburner in the face of you know, worse. Exactly. So both the patricians and plebeians are happy. That is a peaceful time In Rome, because they got just oh, I don't know, so much to deal with. However the people from feed mayDr G 10:12decide it's time to make. They don't have the plague.Dr Rad 10:16Well, I mean, that's just Yeah, it is infectious disease. So there have been some people from you know, who all holed up in there, you know, in the mountains hiding behind their city walls and that sort of thing. They decide, clearly, this is a prime time to start pillaging Roman territory because the Romans just you know, keeping to themselves isolatingDr G 10:42maybe socially distantDr Rad 10:43Yeah. Anyway, and so they summons people from they to you know, help them out. Oh, yeah. Then you allies. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, the Phyllis skins are not really interested in restarting the war at this point of time. Now they have been involved as allies in this conflict up until this point, we've mentioned them briefly.Dr G 11:05I have sought Yeah, I have some details on the full list.Dr Rad 11:09Okay, because I always I must admit, I really like their name for lists.Dr G 11:12Skins. Yeah, it is nice. It says it rolls off the tongue mostlyDr Rad 11:16that a classyDr G 11:19Well, apparently the skins are a distinct people.Dr Rad 11:23I think so. Yeah, I think so they'reDr G 11:25not they don't consider themselves to be Latin, and they don't consider themselves to be a Truscott. So they are from Northern Latin, like geographically speaking southern or TURia. So they kind of on this really sort of hazy border line between these two regions. Yeah. But they actually have a language, which is separate from both. Interesting. Yeah, so they have a capital city, which is thought to be on a tough spur. So tough is a type of stone on the eastern Monte Cimini. So for those who are like, wait a minute, let me get out my Italian maps, and sitting between two tributaries of the Tiber, the Macondo and the Faso majority of Maggiore, I should say, my Italian, correct, yeah. And so this is also known as the trust inside of the Tiber. So they're right on this sort of river edge as well. They have a tradition that they're founded by an algo of hero. So a great comes over a guy called how lesses and this is a story that often tells us in the fasting, and they also have a competing tradition that they have a child study and foundation. Okay, so different Greeks. Yeah. And despite the fact that they their language is separate and distinct, it is considered a dialect connected mostly to Latin, okay, rather than a trust gum.Dr Rad 12:55I'm suspicious. By Greeks.Dr G 12:58I mean, one should be suspicious. And the politicans throw in their lot with V. Yes. And, also, and then for DNA, what as that evolves there,Dr Rad 13:09but one at this point in time, yeah, in many ways, but anyway, but at this point in time, they're not interested in taking part in anymore according to Livi, even though the airlines had like really good news, and also the fact that I think everybody knows that Rome is experiencing this pestilence. So even though they've seen like, the weak member of the herd, the flu skins not having it. Okay, so as a result, it is just the people of they and…

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