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    The Other 22 Hours

    An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

    A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

    Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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    Miko Marks on grounding, gap years, and the mundane. Aug 14, 2024
    Show notes

    Miko Marks is a singer/songwriter from Oakland California, who was a member of the CMT Next Women of Country class of 2022, has played the Grand Ol Opry, won multiple Independent Music Awards, and stepped away from a professional career for over a decade to raise her child and be present for her family. We talk about the choices to step back, as well as to return to performing and recording, how that changed her approach and outlook, grounding in your own path, making your world small, living the experiences you are having, your career as a spiritual journey, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Miko Marks
    • Patti Smith
    • 'Wiser Than Me' Podcast
    • CMA Fest
    • Red Tone Records
    • Kelly McCartney
    • Ep 55 - Rissi Palmer
    • Ep 14 - Mark Erelli
    • Ep 65 - Elliot Bronson

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Lilly Hiatt on protecting your inner knowing, ditching social media, and transitions in time. Aug 07, 2024
    Show notes

    Lilly Hiatt has released 5+ records via New West Records, has toured with Drive by Truckers, Margo Price, Aaron Lee Tasjan, has been nominated for Americana Association awards, and is the daughter of singer/songwriter John Hiatt. We talk to Lilly about learning to care about things outside of your career, protecting your inner knowing, deleting your instagram account at 20k followers and staying off of it, not paying attention to numbers, lessons learned from watching her father's career up close her whole life, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Lilly Hiatt
    • Ep 1 - Aaron Lee Tasjan
    • Ep 6 - Andrew Combs
    • John Hiatt
    • Maya De Vitry
    • Ep 10 - Joe Pug
    • Ep 44 - Laura Veirs
    • No Doubt - 'Simple Kind of Life'
    • The 5 Spot
    • Ep 66 - Sean + Sara Watkins

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Evan Honer on betting on yourself, boosting others, and mowing lawns. Jul 31, 2024
    Show notes

    Evan Honer turned viral success of a Tyler Childers cover (50mil + streams), into success for his own music with over 250mil streams, and multiple 7-figure offers from most major labels - all of which he decline in favor of staying independent, opting to start his own label (Cloverdale) and helping other young artists gain streaming traction while maintaining ownership of their art. Our youngest guest to date, we talk to Evan about betting on yourself, navigating the frequent ups and downs and direction changes of a social media-centric approach to your career, using your platform and reach to boost and platform your peers, the simple pleasures when you get back from tour, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Evan Honer
    • Cloverdale Records
    • NDPNDT Podcast
    • Nic D
    • Connor Price
    • Pine Grove
    • Noah Kahan
    • Zach Bryan
    • The Black Keys
    • Ep 61 - Jim Sonefeld
    • Jon Bellion
    • Lizzie McAlpine
    • Stem
    • Kyle McAvoy
    • Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Jesse Boykins III on knowing your toolbox, galvanizing yourself, and simplifying everything. Jul 24, 2024
    Show notes

    Jesse Boykins III is a Jamaican-American, Grammy-nominated singer, songwriter, producer, and creative director who has released 5+ records independently and via Def Jam records, collaborated with Steve Lacy, Charlie Puth, Theophilus London, Calvin Harris, and others. We talk at length about advocating for yourself and your creative vision, knowing the tools you have in your toolbox and using the right one at the right time, honoring the mission of the project, saying yes to collaboration to lift others art, simplifying everything, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Jesse Boykins III
    • Def Jam
    • Brooklyn First Saturdays
    • Brooklyn Museum
    • The Accountant (movie)
    • Miguel
    • Wilco
    • UMPG
    • Ninja Tune
    • Harvey Mason Jr
    • Congo Square

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Sara + Sean Watkins (Watkins Family Hour) on humbleness, diverse skillsets, and faking it. Jul 17, 2024
    Show notes

    Sara + Sean Watkins are Grammy winning musicians that are 2/3 of Nickel Creek (which they started with Chris Thile as kids), The Watkins Family Hour (which features Fiona Apple, Benmont Tench, Jon Brion, John C Riley, and rotating cast of incredible musicians), their own solo records, Sara is in I'm With Her (with Sara Jarosz & Aiofe O'Donovan), as well as collaborations with Jackson Browne, John Mayer, Blake Mills, Dawes, and many others. We talk about the power in diverse skillsets we gain both touring in a large variety of situations as well as various levels of business responsibilities, authenticity and humbleness (versus the emperors new clothes), never taking situations for granted, faking it, and a whole lot of laughs.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Sara Watkins
    • Sean Watkins
    • Watkins Family Hour
    • Nickel Creek
    • I'm With Her
    • Dan Wilson
    • Bryan Sutton
    • Largo
    • Ep 45 - Glen Phillips
    • 'Let's Go (So We Can Get Back)' - Jeff Tweedy
    • Vince Gill
    • The Station Inn
    • Jenny Lewis
    • Chris Thile
    • Michael Daves
    • Benmont Tench
    • The Decemberists
    • John Prine
    • Ep 5 - Shovels & Rope

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Eliot Bronson on surrendering to circumstance, bottom up growth, and being the movie screen. Jul 10, 2024
    Show notes

    Eliot Bronson has released 6+ records over the past 12 years, both independently and via labels - with a handful produced by Dave Cobb - and he has also won numerous acclaimed songwriting competitions such as Kerrville and Chris Austin contest at Merlefest. Ditching the traditional label/publicist/manager route, Eliot has established a vibrant path that is 100% DIY, community-focused, and as he explains - more fulfilling than ever. We talk at length about that process and how he found himself there, debate the necessity of a whole label or publicity team, explore the idea of the artist in the center of the crowd versus up high and removed on stage, mindfulness practices, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Eliot Bronson
    • 30A Festival
    • Ep 45 - Glen Phillips
    • Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter
    • CBS Saturday Morning
    • 'That Thing You Do'
    • Sam Harris - Waking Up
    • 'Zen Mind Beginners Mind'
    • Patty Griffin
    • Emmylou Harris
    • Chris Austin Song Contest (MerleFest)
    • Gillian Welch
    • Telluride Troubadour Songwriting Contest
    • Kerrvile Songwriting Contest
    • Melody Walker
    • Rocky Mountain Folks Fest

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Rhett Miller on deserving vs entitlement, envy, and spinning plates. Jul 03, 2024
    Show notes

    Rhett Miller is the lead singer for The Old 97's, a solo artist, a podcast host (Wheels Off, with almost 200 episodes), an author and a mental health advocate who has released records via labels such as Elektra, ATO and Verve, worked with artists such as Jon Brion, Rosanne Cash, The Decemberists, and Tori Amos, and fronted The Old 97's for over 30 years. We talk about the difference between feeling deserving and entitlement, navigating envy traps, diversification for creative pursuits and financial fear, authenticity and a whole lot more.


    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Rhett Miller
    • The Old 97's
    • Wheels Off Podcast
    • Parson's School of Design/The New School
    • Little, Brown Publishing
    • Dan Santat
    • 'This Is What I Do'
    • Rounder Records
    • Elektra
    • Nick Lowe
    • Neko Case
    • David Bowie
    • Rosanne Cash
    • 'Big Brown Eyes'

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Chris Smither on self motivating, learning when to grip the reins, and books. Jun 26, 2024
    Show notes

    Chris Smither has released 20+ records so far in his 58 year career, had his songs recorded by the likes of Bonnie Raitt (who had a hit with his song 'Love Me Like a Man', and whom he's had a long working relationship with) and Emmylou Harris, and as you can imagine, he's seen all of the ups and downs and twists and turns in almost 6 decades of this career. We talk with him about all of this hard earned wisdom and experience, his zest for practicing, learning when to grab the reins and when to ride, his myriad hobbies including a voracious appetite for reading, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Chris Smither
    • Club Passim
    • Betsy Siggins
    • Charles River Valley Boys
    • Bonnie Raitt
    • 'Love Me Like a Man'
    • David Goodrich
    • Stephen Bruton
    • CS Lewis - 'The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe'
    • Lord of the Rings Trilogy (book)
    • Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Ruby Amanfu on owning your truths, prioritizing personal connection, and swimming to depths. Jun 19, 2024
    Show notes

    Ruby Amanfu is a singer, songwriter, activist, chef, and actress who has been nominated for Grammy's (song of the year) for her work with H.E.R as well as Brandi Carlile and Alicia Keys, she was a member of Jack White's band, is producer and songwriter for the ABC series "Queens", has placed songs on ABC, CBS, MTV, amongst others, worked with Patti Labelle, Norah Jones, John Prine, Sara Bareilles, and was part of Beyonce's 'Lemonade' album. We chat with her about owning your truth, prioritizing personal connection before professional, balancing the need to earn with your passion, showing up in integrity, the parallels between cooking and creating music, activism and using your voice and creativity, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Ruby Amanfu
    • Sam & Ruby
    • Porter's Call
    • Andy Little
    • MusiCares
    • Leanne Womack
    • Willie Nelson
    • Love Rising
    • Beyonce

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Jim Sonefeld (Hootie & the Blowfish) on learning by doing, life after the peak, and honest reflection. Jun 12, 2024
    Show notes

    Jim Sonefeld is best known as the drummer (and songwriter) for Hootie & the Blowflish, but he has also released a handful of solo records and written a memoir title 'Swimming with the Blowfish - Hootie, Healing, and One Hell of a Ride'. We talk with Jim about the start and rise of Hootie, how having the 10th best selling US record of all time impacted his writing and creativity, their fall from prominence and the addictions that followed, finding sobriety and reinvention, lessons learned throughout this roller coaster, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Jim Sonefeld
    • Hootie & the Blowfish
    • 'Swimming with The Blowfish' book
    • Atlantic Records
    • David Letterman
    • Darius Rucker
    • R.E.M.
    • Francis Dunnery
    • Dean Felber
    • The Rolling Stones

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


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