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    The Other 22 Hours

    An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

    A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

    Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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    On Failure: Rodney Crowell, Madi Diaz, Aaron Lee Tasjan. Jan 08, 2025
    Show notes

    This is episode 1 of a mini-series centered around a different theme each episode. This week we explore failure in it's many forms: enduring it, embracing it, overcoming it, learning from it - all from three different Grammy-nominated artist: Rodney Crowell, Madi Diaz, and Aaron Lee Tasjan - in that order. You can find a link to our full conversations with each of them below, and playlists of other past conversations grouped by topic on our YouTube channel, also below.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Rodney Crowell - episode 16
    • Madi Diaz - episode 77
    • Aaron Lee Tasjan - episode 1

    Here is our YouTube channel, with playlists on various topics.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Chuck Prophet on controlled chaos, learning by doing, and being well-adjusted. Dec 26, 2024
    Show notes

    Chuck Prophet has put out 17+ solo records, 10 records with his former rock band Green on Red, and has worked with Bruce Springsteen, Kim Richey, Kelly Willis, Alejandro Escovedo, and Tony Visconti, appeared on many late night shows, toured with Lucinda Williams, and more. We chat with Chuck about transitioning from being in a band to having a solo career, San Fransisco as inspiration, how major successes come out of the blue, learning by doing, songwriting as a self taught art form, the need for more danger in music, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Chuck Prophet
    • Green on Red
    • Jules Shear
    • Chuck Close
    • Angelo Petraglia
    • Larry Gottleib
    • Kim Richey
    • Sound Emporium
    • The Paradise Lounge
    • The Albion
    • Dead Kennedys
    • John Cuniberti
    • Alan Watts

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    James Vincent McMorrow on shelf life, space to fail, and culty connotations. Dec 18, 2024
    Show notes

    James Vincent McMorrow is a platinum-selling, billions-streaming singer-songwriter who has released records independently and via labels such as Nettwork and Columbia, work with Paul Epworth, Kenny Beats, Lil Silva, had his vocals featured on songs by Drake, and Kygo, in Game of Thrones, and numerous festivals. He also took 7 years off from touring to be with his growing family and recalibrate his relationship with the industry, which we talk about here at length, as well as an industry without stats, long shelf life for your creations, building something that matters, defining your own targets, having the space to fail, and much more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • James Vincent McMorrow
    • City and Colour
    • Royal Albert Hall
    • Young Jesus
    • The Civil Wars
    • Fake Famous Doc
    • Lankum
    • James Blake
    • Neil Young
    • 'On the Beach'
    • Deftones

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Liz Longley on buying your art back, touring as self care, and wilderness. Dec 11, 2024
    Show notes

    Liz Longley has released 10+ records both independently and with labels such as Rounder Records, raised $150,000 on Kickstarter (the 4th most largest campaign by an independent artist at the time) to buy her finished album back from her former label, and has been critically acclaimed by Billboard, Newsweek, and Pop Matters. We talk to Liz about creators having the power in the music industry, touring as self care, time management with toddlers, balance, the wilderness, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Liz Longley
    • Paul Basile / Great Elk
    • Parlor in the Round
    • Ep 78 - Tim Easton
    • Paul Moak
    • Chatham Rabbits
    • Ep 39 - Joe Henry
    • Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
    • Ep 7 - BJ Barham

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Tommy Emmanuel on endless experimenting, genre non-conforming, and stage craft. Dec 04, 2024
    Show notes

    Tommy Emmanuel is a legendary acoustic guitar player from Australia, where he has received some of the nation's highest honors, won Grammy, ARIA, and IBMA awards (amongst others), released 27+ records on labels such as Sony and Columbia, and began touring at the age of 6. We talk to Tommy about his endless enthusiasm and drive to experiment that has kept him inspired and learning through his almost 65 year career, how he bucks genre traditions (and because of that, label constraints), being vulnerable with your audience, studying the art of stagecraft, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Tommy Emmanuel
    • Cayamo
    • Ep 50 - Sierra Hull
    • Massey Hall
    • Groucho Marx
    • Ep 53 - Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams
    • ‘Classical Gas’ album
    • Randy Goodrum
    • Barry Gibb
    • Dave Cobb
    • RCA Studio A
    • Ep 51 - Steve Poltz
    • Ep 83 - Kevn Kinney

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Caroline Spence on owning your art, accepting evolving goals and dreams, and defining yourself. Nov 27, 2024
    Show notes

    Caroline Spence has released 5 records independently and via Rounder Records, has written and/or recorded with Emmylou Harris, Lori McKenna, Matt Berninger (The National), and Sarah Jarosz, and toured with Mary Chapin Carpenter, John Moreland, Tyler Childers, and American Aquarium. We talk to Caroline about being in relationship with your creativity, awareness of, and moving beyond defining yourself externally or through your creative output, losing respect for the music industry, accepting that your wants and goals change over time, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Caroline Spence
    • Ep 22 - Group Text (Erin Rae, Kelsey Waldon, Caroline and Michaela Anne)
    • ‘The Artist’s Way’
    • Nonesuch Records
    • Wilco
    • Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
    • Ep 27 - Mary Gauthier
    • Eddie’s Attic
    • Ep 13 - Becca Mancari

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Becca Stevens on the intersection of passion and parenthood, creating within grief, and shared calendars. Nov 20, 2024
    Show notes

    Becca Stevens is a Grammy-nominated singer songwriter who has released 6+ records of her own music, as well as collaborating with the likes of David Crosby, Jacob Collier, Laura Mvula, Brad Mehldau, Michael McDonald, Snarky Puppy, as well has having a roll in the Broadway show "Illinoise" based on the music of Sufjan Stevens. We talk with Becca about the nitty gritty of touring with an infant, balancing your passion and creativity with parenthood, balancing that passion with a partner who is also an artist, creating within and through grief, family bands, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Becca Stevens
    • Mom's On The Bus community
    • The Tune Mammals
    • Boyd’s Shadow
    • Gretchen Parlato
    • Illinoise Musical
    • The Town Hall
    • David Crosby

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Brandy Clark on beating self doubt, finding community, and standing out. Nov 13, 2024
    Show notes

    Brandy Clark is a Grammy winning artist and songwriter, who has had her songs recorded by Sheryl Crow, Miranda Lambert, Kacey Musgraves, Billy Currington, Darius Rucker and more, and co-wrote the music for Tony-winning Broadway show Shucked with Shane McNally. We talk to Brandy about battling self doubt even when it reemerges after you've started seeing success, finding the right community that will validate you and inspire you, her experience with persistence as it took over a decade to have any large career breakthroughs as either a writer or an artist, writing for theater verses a record, being openly gay in the country world, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Brandy Clark
    • Cyndi Forman
    • Dave Brainard
    • Shucked the Musical
    • Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
    • Jessie Jo Dillan
    • Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters
    • Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter
    • Kieth Urban
    • Dwight Yoakam
    • Brandi Carlile
    • Shangri-La Studio
    • Shane McAnally
    • K.d.lang
    • Chely Wright
    • Fancy Hagood

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Kevn Kinney (Drivin N Cryin) on self healing rock and roll, unlearning, and mixtapes. Nov 06, 2024
    Show notes

    Kevn Kinney is best known as the songwriter and singer of the Georgia rock band Drivin N Cryin, who has released 20+ records over the last almost 40 years, some independent and some on major labels, and toured with the likes of Neil Young and The Black Crowes, but Kevn also has numerous solo and side projects, with members of REM, Drive By Truckers, Warren Haynes, John Popper and more. We talk to Kevn about what he calls 'self healing rock and roll', showing up just as you are, unlearning what you've learned so you can be yourself, getting out of writers block by writing about writing, the changing landscape of how you hear music, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Kevn Kinney
    • Drivin n’ Cryin
    • Ep 73 - Edwin McCain
    • The Black Crowes
    • Doug LaValliere
    • Peter Buck
    • Ep 1 Aaron Lee Tasjan
    • Ian McLagan
    • The Replacements
    • Bad Brains
    • “Let’s Go Dancing”
    • Andy Johns
    • Anton Fier
    • Ep 80 John Moreland
    • Bruce Springsteen

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Nicki Bluhm + Jesse Noah Wilson on band therapists, learning from elders, and sourdough discard. Oct 30, 2024
    Show notes

    Nicki Bluhm is a singer-songwriter who has released multiple solo records and records with her former band The Gramblers, and has toured/performed/recorded with the likes of Phil Lesh, Aj Croce, Oliver Wood and Todd Snider. Jesse Noah Wilson is a bassist and producer, who currently plays in John Fogerty's band, is a former member of Band of Heathens, and has a studio in Nashville called Rancho Deluxe. We talk with both of them about the insights they've absorbed through working with legendary octogenarians, never losing the drive for the highest quality, tour boundaries, band relationships and band therapists, horses, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Nicki Bluhm
    • Jesse Noah Wilson
    • Rancho Deluxe
    • John Fogerty
    • Dead & Company
    • The Band
    • Ronnie Hawkins
    • Band of Heathens
    • ‘Some Kind of Monster’
    • Trent Reznor
    • Phil Lesh
    • Terrapin Crossroads
    • Taras Prodaniuk
    • Anders Osborne

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


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