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    The Other 22 Hours

    An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

    A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

    Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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    John Moreland on staying hands on, timelines, and flip phones. Oct 23, 2024
    Show notes

    John Moreland is a celebrated singer songwriter who has steadily released 10+ records, mostly independently (through Thirty Tigers) and one with 4AD, receiving accolades from the New York Times, Fresh Air, and Pitchfork, and has tour with the likes of Dawes, Patty Griffin, and Jason Isbell. We talk with John about cutting back on his 'team' so he could return to being more hands-on, how having lots of middle men involved separated him from both his audience and his creativity, going back to a flip phone, jealousy as positive motivation, following your own timeline, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • John Moreland
    • James Blake
    • Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)
    • Ep 10 - Joe Pug
    • Colter Wall
    • Tyler Childers
    • Benjamin Tod
    • Ep 64 - Rhett Miller
    • Chris Staples
    • Zadie Smith on Ezra Klein
    • Jonah Hill
    • Gillian Welch
    • Iris Dement
    • Lucinda Williams

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    The Lone Bellow on gut checks, ownership, and healthy conflict. Oct 16, 2024
    Show notes

    The Lone Bellow have released a 5 records on various imprints of Sony Records and Dualtone Records, hitting the Billboard 200 and getting nominated for Americana Awards, worked with producers such as Dave Cobb, and Aaron Dessner of The National, supported Kacey Musgraves and appeared on Letterman, Kimmel, Conan amongst others. We talk to them about healthy conflict in the group, and intentional communication to keep things progressing, betting on themselves and moving away from both outside producers and record labels, leading your team rather than waiting on them, ownership of your art and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • The Lone Bellow
    • Aaron Dessner
    • Dave Cobb
    • Charlie Peacock
    • 'Sound Man' by Glyn Johns
    • Jon Low
    • Red Clay Strays
    • Chris Stapleton
    • Jay Hieron
    • Dualtone
    • The Civil Wars

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Tim Easton on dreaming out loud, remaining teachable, and Alaska. Oct 09, 2024
    Show notes

    Tim Easton has released over 13 solo records, 4+ with his bands (Haynes Boys, Freelan Barons, Easton Stagger Phillips), appeared on records by Lucinda Williams, Cory Branan, Otis Gibbs and more, worked with EMI publishing and New West Records, busked through most of Europe, and worked with musicians such as Mike Campbell, Jim Keltner, Tift Merrit and Greg Leisz. We talk to Tim about remaining teachable, turning a passion for fishing in the Alaskan frontier into a solid touring scene, harmonizing to the ABC's in the car with his daughter, boundaries, dreaming out loud, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Tim Easton
    • Folk Alliance
    • David Sedaris
    • Tom Mason
    • Otis Gibbs
    • Chappell Roan
    • Billy Hart
    • Tupac
    • Biggie Smalls
    • Ep 73 - Edwin McCain
    • Wilco
    • Fleetwood Mac
    • Tom Petty
    • Roger Miller

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Madi Diaz on creating environments, a cacophony of almosts, and road protein. Oct 02, 2024
    Show notes

    Madi Diaz has released 10 records/EPs since 2007, has toured with Kacey Musgraves, Waxahatchee, My Morning Jacket, was a touring member of Harry Style's band, has performed on Fallon, Carson Daly, and countless festivals around the world, and is included on the Far Cry 5 soundtrack. We chat with Madi about resilience, staying focused and driven through a 'cacophony of almosts', putting yourself in the right environment to be creative and productive, songwriters as the backbone of the industry, gratitude for the ability to create in the moment, being pulled off stage after 1 song as a solo opener at Wembley Stadium, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Madi Diaz
    • Harry Styles
    • Kacey Musgraves
    • Wembley Stadium
    • The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon
    • Waxahatchee
    • Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Amy Helm on forever learning, self-care like an athlete, and coops. Sep 25, 2024
    Show notes

    Amy Helm has released 4 solo records, 4 with her band Ollabelle, and appeared on 8 of her father Levon Helm's records, as well as records by artists as diverse as Rosanne Cash, William Bell, Tracy Bonham, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and a handful of her stepfather Donald Fagan's solo and late Steely Dan records. We talk with Amy about taking care of yourself like an athlete, leaving your family behind to tour for long stretches of time, and music cooperatives, and many of the lessons Levon instilled in her, from being a blue collar worker-type musician to constantly trying to better yourself, your craft, and your knowledge.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Amy Helm
    • Olabelle
    • Ep 57 Larry Campbell + Teresa Williams
    • Ep 73 Edwin McCain
    • Levon Helm
    • Steely Dan
    • Rick Danko
    • Levon Helm Studios
    • Ep 12 Leyla McCalla
    • Levon’s Midnight Ramble

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Nicole Atkins on enjoyment vs achievement, staying child-like, and patience. Sep 18, 2024
    Show notes

    Nicole Atkins has released 6 records on labels such as Columbia, Razor & Tie, and Thirty Tigers, toured with Stevie Nicks, David Byrne, Fatboy Slim, Nick Cave, and Spoon, and has side project with Jim Sclavunos of Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds. We talk to Nicole about remaining child-like in your creativity, understanding that there are a lot of chances in life, catching the wind when and where it blows, enjoyment vs achievement, stepping up in service to others when you're stuck in your own head, keeping creative friends, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Nicole Atkins
    • Wendy Parr
    • Modern Elder Academy
    • Chip Conley
    • Binky Griptite
    • Dap Kings
    • April Centrone
    • Ep 38 - John Doe
    • Tore Johansson
    • Razor & Tie
    • Rick Rubin
    • Adele
    • EP 49 - Langhorne Slim
    • Jim Sclavunous
    • EP 27 - Mary Gauthier
    • David Byrne - How Music Works
    • Teddy Thompson
    • Michael Kiwanuka
    • EP 56 - Guster
    • Stevie Nicks
    • Weyes Blood
    • Linda Ronstadt: The Sound of My Voice doc
    • Regina Spektor

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Guest Episode: A discussion on Ambition vs Acceptance, on Basic Folk Podcast Sep 11, 2024
    Show notes

    This is a special guest episode feature us on the Basic Folk Podcast, in conversation with hosts Cindy Howes and singer-songwriter Lizzie No, as well as author Kim Ruehl. We talk about all things ambition - the good and the ugly, and how we all navigate, accept, and work with it in our varied creative careers.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Basic Folk Podcast
    • Lizzie No
    • Cindy Howes
    • Kim Ruehl
    • Michaela Anne
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Edwin McCain on defining enough, gig snobbery, and grievance farmers. Sep 04, 2024
    Show notes

    Edwin McCain has had 2 singles hit the Top 40 ('I'll Be' and 'I Could Not Ask For More'), released 11 albums, 5 of which have been on the Billboard 200, hosted a syndicated show on Sirius XM, and written and produced a series for Animal Planet. We talk with him about artists as the ambassadors of possibility, knowing what enough is, side hustles and putting your creativity into different outlets (he started, grew, and sold a construction business amongst other endeavors), stepping away from the industry to raise a family, and a whole lot more.

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    Links:

    • Edwin McCain
    • Ep 61 - Jim Sonefeld
    • Ep 70 - Miko Marks
    • Lee Brice
    • Matt Ramsey
    • Hootie
    • Jason Flom
    • Lava Records
    • Lafayette's
    • Old Dominion
    • Red Rocks
    • Animal Planet
    • David Wilcox
    • Kevn Kinney
    • Ashley McBryde
    • Rebecca Lynn Howard
    • Ep 64 - Rhett Miller

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Joseph on new beginnings, defining a guiding light, and intentionality. Aug 28, 2024
    Show notes

    Joseph is a trio of sisters who have released 3 records via ATO, performed on Fallon, Conan, The Today Show, Ellen, Jools Holland, at Coachella, Lollapalooza, Newport Folk, Glastonbury, Outside Lands, and Bonnaroo, and supported The Shins, James Bay, Amos Lee, and more. They recently announced that Allie is choosing to step away from the band, so we discuss this at length - how she came to the decision, the other sisters' reception, what that looks like moving forward both creatively and emotionally, as well as how they navigate family dynamics in the band, approach everything with intentionality, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Joseph
    • Bonnie Raitt on 'Wiser Than Me'
    • JD McPherson
    • Cayamo
    • Lizzo
    • Kasey Musgraves
    • The Shins
    • Fiona Apple
    • Wiser Than Me - Julie Luis Dreyfus
    • Patti Smith
    • The Staves
    • Ep 13 - Becca Mancari

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Guest Episode: Sarah Jarosz on Basic Folk Podcast Aug 21, 2024
    Show notes

    We have a special episode this week - we are sharing Sarah Jarosz's conversation on Basic Folk podcast! Sarah is a multi-Grammy winning mandolin player and songwriter who has collaborated with the likes of Chris Thile, the Live From Here house band, Bela Fleck, Daniel Tashian, Ruston Kelly, and Natalie Hemby. In this conversation, Sarah and hosts Cindy Howes and Lizzie No talk about her experience with ​confidence using the ​Dunning–Kruger effect, in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. AKA Fake it till you make, AKA Leap and the net will appear. She also talks about her parents' influence on her early musicality and how her mom is doing with her cancer remission. An overall theme of this conversation is that Sarah never lost sight of her goal: keeping it all about the music and don’t let noise get in the way of your important work.

    More on Basic Folk:

    Basic Folk, honest conversations with folk musicians, features hosts Cindy Howes and the musician/known communist Lizzie No. The podcast approaches interviews with warmth, humor and insightful questions. Basic Folk fosters the folk community, but our definition of “folk” is extremely broad, so you’ll hear interviews from Molly Tuttle, Ben Harper, The Lone Bellow and many more.

    You can listen to Basic Folk on The Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network, wherever you get podcasts or at BasicFolk.com


    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to The Other 22 Hours on Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Sarah Jarosz
    • Basic Folk
    • Basic Folk on IG
    • Lizzie No on IG

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


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