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    The Other 22 Hours

    An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

    A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

    Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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    Lori McKenna on holding the work in gratitude, carving space, and sign posts. Jun 05, 2024
    Show notes

    Lori McKenna is Grammy-winning singer songwriter who has released 12+ records on Warner, Signature Sounds, Thirty Tigers, and written countless songs that have been number 1 hits for the likes of Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, Taylor Swift, Little Big Town, Lady Gaga, Maren Morris, Thomas Rhett, The Highwomen, and Mandy Moore, to name a few. All of this widespread acclaim started later in life for Lori (at 36, with 5 children), so we talk with her about that experience, how being in Boston vs Nashville has impacted her career, how and if her success has affected her process, her thoughts on touring and the requirements of an artist career beyond the songs, and much more, all well soaking up her immense gratitude for it all.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Lori McKenna
    • Ep 14 - Mark Erelli
    • Ep 27 - Mary Gauthier
    • Warner Records
    • Kris Delmhorst
    • Barry Dean
    • Courtney Hartman
    • Liz Rose
    • Hillary Lindsey
    • Guy Clark
    • Justin Vernon
    • Aaron Dessner
    • Big Red Machine
    • Becky Fluke
    • Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters
    • Ep 3 - The Milk Carton Kids
    • Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival
    • Brandy Clark

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Tyler Ramsey on finding the right venue, patience in waves, and release releases. May 29, 2024
    Show notes

    Tyler Ramsey - former guitar player for Band of Horses - has released 5 solo albums before, during, and after his stint in the band. We got to chat with Tyler about everything from surfing the seasons of creativity with patience and acceptance, his decision making process behind both joining Band of Horses (leaving a solo career) and leaving the band (private jets, selling out arenas all over the world), finding the right venue for your music, not just your ego, demonstrating a creative life path to your children, and so much more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Tyler Ramsey
    • Band of Horses
    • Phil Ek
    • Jim Carrey dad clip
    • Be Here Now - Asheville
    • Leo Kottke
    • Madison Square Garden
    • Red Rocks
    • Bon Iver
    • Fleet Foxes
    • Coachella
    • Bonnaroo
    • Newport Folk Fest
    • Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)
    • Nick Cave's Red Hand Files

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    The Secret Sisters on leveling out, non-linear trajectories, and play. May 22, 2024
    Show notes

    The Secret Sisters are a Grammy-nominated (sister) duo from Alabama who have put out 5 records, and navigated a rollercoaster of highs and lows from being signed to Universal records and produced by T Bone Burnett, getting dropped, to lawsuits with a manager, bankruptcy, opening for (and being produced by) Brandi Carlisle, and onto a Grammy nomination. We talk about that ride, the lessons learned and experience earned, motherhood, doing the hard internal work and how that improves your creativity, putting the play back in music, and more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • The Secret Sisters
    • Ray Lamontagne
    • Gregory Alan Isakov
    • Ep 57 - The Brother Brothers
    • Ep 4 - Emily Scott Robinson
    • Yuval Noah Harari
    • "Sapiens"
    • Ep 50 - Sierra Hull
    • Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

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    The Brother Brothers on authenticity, autonomy and validation, and traveling. May 15, 2024
    Show notes

    The Brother Brothers are identical twins who have released 5 records together, as well as touring/collaborating with Courtney Marie Andrews, Lake Street Dive, Big Thief, Sarah Jarosz, Keb Mo and being part of the early incarnations of Hadestown the musical. We chat with them about how authenticity lasts in this industry, the theory that everyone (musician/artist) just needs autonomy and validation, following the momentum, economics, and we share some good old tour horror stories.

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    Links:

    • The Brother Brothers
    • AmericanaFest
    • Anais Mitchell
    • Hadestown
    • Ep 10 - Joe Pug
    • Ep 12 - Leyla McCalla
    • Stephane Grappelli
    • Taylor Swift
    • Zach Bryan
    • Levi Turner

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Guster on running toward fear, trying to fail, and green lights. May 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Guster formed in 1991, and has since released 9 records, had a Top 40 hit, a gold record, played Woodstock 99, started the label Ocho Mule, and is still growing today. We sat down with lead singer Ryan Miller, who is also a film composer, sometimes writer for The Atlantic, budding Broadway composer/writer and a former host on Vermont Public TV. We talk with Ryan about managing so many spinning plates, running towards fear, parallels between a music career and entrepreneurship (iterating, failing, learning, improving, and then repeating), managing personalities and wants over a 33-year career, and so much more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Guster
    • Ryan Miller
    • "Making Friends with Ryan Miller" - Vermont TV
    • "Bardo" - Vermont TV
    • Reverb (non-profit)
    • Ryan's Atlantic Article
    • Joe Pisapia
    • Ep 45 - Glen Phillips
    • PJ Vogt - Molly Ringwald
    • Nicole Atkins
    • Ep 38 - John Doe
    • Mike Gordon
    • Noah Kahan
    • Grace Potter
    • Bonny Light Horseman

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Rissi Palmer on the year of no, speaking for the voiceless, and making the appointment. May 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Rissi Palmer signed her first record deal at 19, with her debut in 2007 she was the first black woman to make the country music charts in over 2 decades, she has toured with the likes of Taylor Swift, and the Eagles, appeared on Oprah, Good Morning America, at the White House, the Grand Ole Opry, and Lincoln Center, is the host of Apple Music's 'Color Me Country', and the director of the Color Me Country Artist Grant Fund. We talk about one of our favorite topics - saying no, prioritizing self care, speaking for those people who cannot speak for themselves, the music business as a meritocracy (ahem) and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Rissi Palmer
    • 'Color Me Country' - Apple Music
    • Color Me Country Artist Grant Fund
    • Tami Neilson
    • Dorothy Dandrige
    • Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Ana Egge on co-writing with your dreams, meditation practice, and skateboarding. Apr 24, 2024
    Show notes

    Ana Egge - who Lucinda Williams calls 'the folk music Nina Simone' - has released 13+ records, starting with her first in 1994, and including some produced by Steve Earle, is a luthier, and has toured with John Prine, Shawn Colvin, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Ron Sexmith, Lucinda, and Iris Dement amongst others. In one of our more intriguingly esoteric conversations, we talk a lot about meditation practice and how that influences your creativity and approach to your career as a whole, as well as how Ana stumbled across her incredible practice of co-writing with her own dreams!

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Ana Egge
    • Dave Sanger
    • Asleep at the Wheel
    • Esther Perel
    • George Strait
    • Folk Alliance
    • Western State Center
    • Eric Ward
    • Swedenborg
    • Ep 44 - Laura Veirs

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams on finding the joy, balance, and the Tao of Levon. Apr 17, 2024
    Show notes

    Larry Campbell and Teresa Williams have released 4 albums as a duo, and were members of Levon Helm's band for over a decade, but the married couple also have a long musical history prior to becoming a formal duo. In addition to producing Levon's later career Grammy-winning records, Larry has played with Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Elvis Costello, Emmylou Harris, Judy Collins, Willie Nelson, Shania Twain, and Tracy Chapman, to name a few. We have a great conversation about being in it for the joy of getting to make music, balancing being members of large-scale tours (including a great story of them on the road with Jackson Browne), prioritizing self care vs being a workaholic, and the Tao of Levon.

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    Links:

    • Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams
    • Felix McTeigue
    • Roger Friedman
    • Tony Leone
    • Bob Dylan
    • Jackson Browne
    • Further
    • "Ain't In It For My Health" doc
    • Nonesuch Records
    • Sinead O'Connor/Shane McGowan Tribute
    • Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Morgxn on when not to quit, transparency, and farming. Apr 10, 2024
    Show notes

    Morgxn is an indie-pop artist born and raised in Nashville who has had songs on the top 10 Billboard alternative charts, that Billie Eilish has personally named as inspiration, he has songs featuring Sara Bareilles, and has performed at Lollapalooza, Bumbershoot, on Jimmy Kimmel and more. We talk with Morgxn about the struggles of being in an industry that do a whole lot to actively support artists, the work it can take to break through imposter syndrome and identify as an artist, when not to quit, having enough seats at the table for everyone, farming, and a whole lot more.


    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Morgxn
    • What Is Vital Project
    • James Blake
    • Wet Leg
    • Flight of the Concords
    • Tiesto
    • Marshall Altman
    • Ep 23 - Adia Victoria
    • "Real Artist's Don't Starve"
    • Dan Wilson
    • Sara Bareilles
    • Vance Powell

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Steve Poltz on life as a treasure hunt, creating your own scene, and getting pinned on the mat. Apr 03, 2024
    Show notes

    Over the last 30+ years Steve Poltz has released more than 14 records both solo and with his 90's band The Rugburns, on his own label as well as Mercury Records, as well as a longtime collaboration with Jewell including co-writing her hit "You Were Meant for Me." We talk with Steve about everything from having a stroke on stage, mid-song (and continuing to sing the song), all the way to viewing life as a treasure hunt, slaying the dragons, his infectious positivity and optimism, and getting pinned to the mat.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Steve Poltz
    • The Rugburns
    • 30A Songwriter Festival
    • Cayamo
    • Grateful Dead - "American Beauty"
    • Grateful Dead - "Workingman's Dead"
    • The Replacements
    • Jewell
    • Willie Randolph
    • Dan Bern
    • Rocky Mountain Folks Fest
    • Ep 28 - The Wood Brothers
    • AJ Croce
    • Andy Frasco
    • Chris Gelbuda
    • The Buddy & Jim Show

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


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