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    The Other 22 Hours

    An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

    A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

    Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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    Sierra Hull on nature vs nurture, disappointment as fuel, and tour bus cafes. Mar 27, 2024
    Show notes

    Sierra Hull is the definition of child prodigy - she made her Grand Ole Opry debut at 10, played Carnegie Hall at 12, and signed her first record deal at 13. She has since gone on to become the first woman to win IBMA Mandolinist of the year (3x in a row), be nominated for a Grammy, perform with Garth Brooks, Indigo Girls, and Allison Krauss and Gillian Welch, and perform at the White House. We chat with Sierra about growing up learning on stage with people 3x her age, the contrast of then studying at Berklee on a full scholarship, to using disappointments as fuel, the power of seeing women represented on album covers and in the press, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Sierra Hull
    • Ep 21 - Alice Gerrard
    • Michael Daves
    • Berklee College of Music
    • Mark Radabaugh
    • Bela Fleck
    • Allison Krauss
    • Charlie Worsham
    • Renaissance - Beyonce doc
    • Chris Thile
    • Allison Brown
    • Rhonda Vincent

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Langhorne Slim on getting out of the mind and into the heart, vices as a muse, and mountain tops. Mar 20, 2024
    Show notes

    Langhorne Slim has released 10 records over the last 20 years on a handful of labels (currently Dualtone Records), played festivals ranging from Newport Folk to Lollapalooza, late night shows from Letterman to Conan, and has had his music used in many many television shows and commercials. We go deep and vulnerable pretty quickly on everything from addiction/sobriety, the relentless inner monologue, mountain top envy, his new-found parenthood, and a whole lot more.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Langhorne Slim
    • Ep 42 - Robert Ellis
    • Patty Griffin
    • Jeff Ratner
    • Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Devon Gilfillian on freedom in routine, machine building, and meatballs. Mar 13, 2024
    Show notes

    Devon Gilfillian has released records on both Capital and Fantasy Records, played on Colbert and Kimmel, and opened for The Brothers Osborne, My Morning Jacket, Mavis Staples, Gladys Knight and more. We chat with him about how routine can create freedom in your life, the importance of physical wellbeing both on the road and at home, building a machine that can provide for your people, using your platform and voice as an artist, and all points in between.

    Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.

    Links:

    • Devon Gilfillian
    • WeGo City Bus
    • Ep 26 - Katie Pruitt
    • "The Artist's Way"
    • Sam Harris Waking Up
    • Levon & The Hawks (pre-The Band)
    • Jason Isbell
    • T-Bone Burnett
    • Ep 3 - The Milk Carton Kids
    • Bono
    • Nina Simone

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Margo Price + Jeremy Ivey on balancing approaches, knowing your roll, and orange soda. Mar 06, 2024
    Show notes

    Margo Price and Jeremy Ivey are both artists, songwriters, and are married with kids. They've released records on Loma Vista, Anti-, Third Man and independently, and under Margo's project have been nominated for a Grammy, played SNL, won awards, and more. We talk about balancing the many rolls in their lives, both together and independently, creating together while also parenting together, going from having a band together (Buffalo Clover) to 'separate' careers, and so many metaphors from table settings to orange soda.

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    Links:

    • Margo Price
    • Jeremy Ivey
    • The 5 Spot
    • “Desperate and Depressed”
    • Oscar Wilde
    • Chris Stapleton
    • Ep 3 - The Milk Carton Kids
    • Erin Rae
    • Anti-
    • Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Mary Chapin Carpenter on owning the process, personalizing mistreatment, and weathering rejection. Dec 27, 2023
    Show notes

    Mary Chapin Carpenter is an 18x Grammy nominated, 5x Grammy winning, 6x platinum-selling singer-songwriter with over 16 albums and decades of touring so far in her career. We talk with Mary Chapin about her songwriting process, including her need for solitude and her practice of "song walking," we talk about how she still faces rejection even with all of her accolades and commercial success, how common and easy it is to personalize mistreatment from people in power (and how to combat that), and much more on this very candid final episode of Season 1.

    Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.

    Links:

    • Mary Chapin Carpenter
    • Carl Sandburg
    • Taylor Swift Eras Tour
    • Steve Poltz
    • Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters
    • Ep 22 - Group Text (Erin Rae, Caroline Spence, Kelsey Waldon & Michaela Anne)
    • Kelly Clarkson
    • Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell
    • Rose Cousins

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Glen Phillips (Toad the Wet Sprocket) on the joy of play, post-platinum economics, and creating in community. Dec 20, 2023
    Show notes

    Glen Phillips, lead singer of Toad the Wet Sprocket as well as a solo artist, has released 7 records with the band - 2 of which are multiplatinum - and 7 solo albums, spanning a career that started 37 years ago when Glen was just 15 years old. We talk about creating, and navigating the industry as both an active platinum-selling band, after the break-up, and now as the band has reformed, focusing and prioritizing the sheer joy of creating, how community can inspire and inform your creativity, and more.

    Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.

    Links:

    • Glen Phillips
    • Toad the Wet Sprocket
    • Largo
    • Michael Flatley
    • Baryshnikov
    • Matt the Electrician
    • Bob Schneider
    • "Fear"
    • Trevor Horn
    • David Sylvian
    • "Dulcinea"
    • Chuck Plotkin
    • "Coil"
    • Ep 38 - John Doe
    • Garrison Starr
    • David Mead
    • Ruby Amanfu
    • "Real Artists Don't Starve" - Jeff Goins
    • Ep 3 - Milk Carton Kids
    • Watkins Family Hour

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Laura Veirs on staying aware, planning a sabbatical year, and life in the tortoise lane. Dec 13, 2023
    Show notes

    Laura Veirs is a prolific singer-songwriter with over 14 albums released on her own label as well as Nonesuch Records and Bella Union, is a member of case/lang/veirs (w/ Niko Case & kd lang) and is a painter, (brief) podcast host, and author of a children's book on Elizabeth Cotton. We talk about staying aware of the beauty and joy that surrounds you, planning (and taking) a sabbatical year as a self-employed creative, ceding control of your social media accounts, stage fright, running your own international label, maintaining ownership of your rights, being a tortoise surrounded by hares, and much more.

    Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.

    Links:

    • Laura Veirs
    • case/lang/veirs
    • Carl Blau
    • The Ryman
    • "July Flame"
    • case/lang/veirs - "Best Kept Secret"
    • Tim Young
    • Bella Union
    • Nonesuch Records
    • Ep 27 - Mary Gauthier

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Gretchen Peters on recalibrating your definition of success, strength in artistry, and bucking industry expectations. Dec 06, 2023
    Show notes

    Gretchen Peters is a Grammy-nominated, CMA Song of the Year winning member of the Songwriters Hall of Fame, who had an extensive touring, has released 14 albums (mostly on her own label), and had songs recorded by the likes of Etta James, Martina McBride, George Strait, Patty Loveless, Shania Twain, Neil Diamond, Trisha Yearwood, and Bryan Adams, just to name a few. This episode jumps right in with Gretchen's decision, and the public (and private) reactions, to retire from touring, and we go on to talk about the powerful effects of recalibrating your definition of success, bucking industry expectations in the name of your creativity and artistry, the strength of artists, and so much more.

    Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.

    Links:

    • Gretchen Peters
    • Martina McBride - "Independence Day"
    • Farm Aid
    • Patty Loveless - "You Don't Even Know Who I Am"
    • Rosanne Cash
    • Jeff Black
    • Ep 39 - Joe Henry
    • Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell
    • Rodney Crowell Song Camp

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • The Other 22 Hours TikTok
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Robert Ellis on present consciousness, getting back to having fun, and perceptions. Nov 29, 2023
    Show notes

    Robert Ellis is a singer-songwriter, producer, and multi-instrumentalist who has put out 6 albums both self-released and on New West Records, and having worked on records by Jamestown Revival, White Denim, Khruangbin, Nicole Atkins and others. We chat about the many benefits of mindfulness and being in the present moment, using adversity and tough times to return to having fun creating, parenting and perceptions, sobriety, and just saying f*ck it let's try something new!

    Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.

    Links:

    • Robert Ellis
    • Niles City Sound
    • Sam Harris
    • Loch Kelly
    • Rabbi Hillel (Hillel the Elder)
    • Ep 10 - Joe Pug
    • "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" - Robert M. Persig
    • Sheryl Crow doc
    • "Effortless Mastery" - Kenny Werner
    • Cognitive Behavioral Theory
    • Tara Brach
    • Ep 12 - Leyla McCalla

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


    Samantha Crain on asking questions, self advocacy, and growing in a non-music city. Nov 22, 2023
    Show notes

    Samantha Crain has released 8 records, started touring at 19, eventually supporting artists such as The Avett Brothers, Neutral Milk Hotel, Brandi Carlile, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Gregory Alan Isakov, The Mountain Goats, and MANY others, as well as joining First Aid Kit for an appearance on 'Conan', and self-producing many of her own records, as well as records for other artists. We explore the power of asking questions, both as a way to learn more in craft and business and as a means of self-advocacy in business dealings, we talk about the positives and negatives of growing a substantial career in a non-music town (Norman, OK in her instance), the many benefits of a meditation practice, and much more in this wide-ranging conversation.

    Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at this link.

    Links:

    • Samantha Crain
    • Johanna Samuels
    • Ep 22 - Caroline Spence, Erin Rae, Kelsey Waldon, Michaela Anne
    • Lucy Rose
    • Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)
    • Ep 11 - Lucius
    • Jon Batiste
    • Lori McKenna
    • Ramseur Records

    Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.

    Social Media:

    • The Other 22 Hours Instagram
    • Michaela Anne Instagram
    • Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

    All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

    Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.


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