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    Music

    The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

    **WEBBY AWARD FOR BEST MUSIC PODCAST**

    “#1 music industry podcast to help keep you in the loop” -Spotify

    “The 10 Best Music Business Podcasts of 2022″ – Variety

    Ari Herstand is the best-selling author of How To Make It in the New Music Business. Forbes calls him “The poster child of DIY music.” In this show, he deconstructs the brightest minds in the music industry, digging deep to find the tools, tactics, and strategies that listeners can use to run successful careers of their own. Ari offers straight talk with no fluff and doesn’t let his guests off easy. If there is a way, Ari will find it.

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    BMG A&R on Pub Deals, Artist Development and Signing Frank Ocean Nov 22, 2023
    Show notes

    Get 25% off any Ari's Take Academy course with code ARISTAKE. Sale and enrollment both end on November 30th at 6pm PST. If you're ready to make 2024 the year for your music career, we're ready to give you the tools. Enroll today: https://aristakeacademy.com/


    Over the last twenty years, Tab Nkhereanye, SVP of A&R (Artists & Repertoire) at BMG has been one of the driving forces behind hitmakers and top charting songs alike. Nkheranye’s success in the music industry is unlike many, providing him one of the most unique perspectives in the field and a resume that is hard to top. His path to BMG, was not a traditional one at all, as a songwriter in the first decade of his career, he was responsible for multiple #1 hits, writing with Justin Bieber, Madonna, Mary J. Blige and Brittany Spears. On the A&R side, during more than seven years at Island/Def Jam Records, Tab was responsible for the discovery and development of Frank Ocean, Alessia Cara and many others - showing that songwriters have a place in the corner office and paving a way for others like him. Tab’s mission is to be a voice and mentor for black songwriters and young executives who are looking to carve out their own path in the industry.


    00:00 - Welcome

    04:25 - Tab Nkhereanye and his story in music

    12:05 - Publishing deal structures, ownership, royalties

    16:23 - Co-publishing deals, what it looks like for a new songwriter

    26:03 - What are you looking for when you are signing new songwriters?

    30:05 - How involved are you in the creative process?

    32:01 - Tab’s time at Def Jam Records and signing Alessia Cara, Frank Ocean

    43:40 - Developing artists and major labels

    47:05 - What are steps a songwriter should take when seeking a publishing deal?


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/new-music-business-podcast/

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    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tab-nkhereanye-a02b5625/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/defjam_tab/


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take



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    Sync Agent Breaks Down TV, Film, Advertising Music Licensing Nov 15, 2023
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    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Learn more about Jen and Low Profile: https://www.lowprofilenyc.com/


    Jen Pearce is the Founder of Low Profile, a music licensing & consulting agency based in Brooklyn, NY. After working in the music industry for years at companies like Warner Bros. Records & Downtown Records, Jen decided to open up her own shop after being fed up with the status quo. Low Profile was born out of a need for radical transparency in the music industry and a dedication to helping musicians build sustainable careers. Since launching in May of 2017, Low Profile has become the go-to source for innovative brands and content creators looking to partner with the most cutting-edge artists from all over the world. With their unparalleled access to artists, global reach, and early detection of new currents and trends, Low Profile is able to facilitate meaningful collaborations that are mutually beneficial for everyone involved. Some of the artists on Low Profile’s roster includes Solange, FKJ, Boy Harsher, Nation of Language, Empress Of, JR JR, YACHT and more.


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/nmb

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    Connect with Jen Pearce:


    Website: https://www.lowprofilenyc.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lowprofilenyc/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lowprofilenyc

    X: https://twitter.com/lowprofilenyc


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take



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    Roc Nation Is Actually Developing Artists Nov 08, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Learn more about Shari Bryant and Omar Grant: https://www.rocnation.com/about/


    Shari Bryant is Co-President of Roc Nation Label at Roc Nation. A fearless music industry veteran, Shari began her career as an intern at Roc-A-Fella Records at 16 years old. She would go to work with Def Jam, Atlantic Records, Warner Bros, Alamo Records, until she was appointed by Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter to become Co-President of the Roc Nation Label. In her long and tenured career, she has worked with artists such as Jay-Z, Meek Mill, Nas, Rick Ross, Cam’ron, Dipset, and more.


    Omar Grant is currently the Co-President of Roc Nation Records. After graduating from Adelphi University, he took his first job as assistant tour manager working for Destiny’s Child, and then as tour manager for each of the three members individually including Kelly Rowland, Michelle Williams, and Beyonce. He would go on to with as an A&R for EMI Group Limited and Epic Records, before joining Roc Nation in 2011. Grant served as A&R on Rihanna’s first #1 debut album, Unapologetic, and would work with Rihanna on future releases. Grant has also worked with and/or introduced many other notable artists like Jay-Z, Big Sean, Shakira, David Guetta, Snoh Aalegra, Willow, Jaden Smith, Jay Electronica, Vic Mensa, and Buju Banton.


    04:38 - Welcome

    06:21 - Roc Nation - Shari and Omar’s roles at Roc Nation Label

    15:12 - Strategies for developing artists in a crowded space

    22:01 - Roc Nation’s legacy and long term vision for artists

    28:00 - What does Roc Nation look for when they sign a new artist?

    37:18 - Marketing strategies rollout for artists like Maeta

    45:58 - Roc Nation’s track record with signing artists and philosophy

    58:23 - What does it mean to you to make it in the new music business?


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/new-music-business-podcast/

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    Connect with Ari Herstand:


    Website: https://ariherstand.com

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    Connect with Roc Nation:


    Website: https://rocnation.com

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rocnation/

    X: https://twitter.com/RocNation

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rocnation


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take



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    How Lawrence Got Live Nation To End Merch Fees Oct 11, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    New York-born siblings, Clyde and Gracie Lawrence, founded Lawrence, an eight-piece soul-pop band. Their album "Hotel TV," released under Jon Bellion's label, achieved significant success with multiple viral moments and top chart positions. Lawrence has undergone extensive touring, including a Jonas Brothers tour, a 53-city tour across North America, and a headline tour across Europe, which has substantially boosted their popularity. In addition to their musical journey, Clyde Lawrence and Jordan Cohen have played a prominent role in advocating for artists, testifying against unfair practices in the live music industry before the U.S Senate Judiciary and influencing meaningful changes.


    00:00 - Welcome

    07:29 - Tour experience, setlists, and logistics

    11:22 - Operating as an independent band, partnering with John Bellion, touring with a team

    21:16 - The dynamic within the band, Lawrence, and maintaining a tight group of people

    33:08 - The early years of the band

    38:20 - On Live Nation eliminating merch fees for certain venues, the economics of the live music industry, and representing independent artists at a Congressional hearing

    48:22 - Lawrence advocating for artists to Live Nation

    01:01:50 - Songwriting and Lawrence’s new single coming out soon


    01:11:13 - What does it mean to you to make it in the new music business?


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/nmb

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    Connect with Lawrence:

    Website: https://lawrencetheband.com/

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    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Building an Artist Management Empire and Breaking Country Artists Sep 27, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Bruce Kalmick, CEO of WHY&HOW, specializes in developing country music artists. Emphasizing the important role of marketing and a dedicated team, he seeks to ensure these artists can penetrate a genre he believes is often stuck in old trends. His work primarily involves artist management, but he has also launched a record label, Hazel Street Records; a joint venture with Sony/Orchard.


    Bruce was a Billboard Power Player in 2018 and 2019 and has been featured in Billboard’s “40 Under 40.” Pollstar nominated Bruce for “Manager of the Year” in 2014. In addition to his music industry ventures, his company, WHY&HOW manages 15 clients and has a robust team situated in various US cities.


    Learn more about Bruce and WHY&HOW here: https://whyandhow.com/


    00:00 - Welcome

    08:02 - WHY&HOW’s partnership with Red Light Management, Operations of WHY&HOW

    14:17 - The current state of the country music industry according to Bruce, and thoughts about breaking country music artists

    19:30 - Breaking a country artist, being where your audience is

    29:30 - Why having an in-house marketing staff makes a difference vs. hiring an agency

    34:10 - How artist management works within WHY&HOW

    39:00 - The importance of mental health for artists and those in the industry

    47:27 - Starting his own record label, Hazel Street Records, post Triple-8

    54:00 - Working with independent labels vs working with major labels


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/new-music-business-podcast/

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    Connect with Ari Herstand:


    Website: https://ariherstand.com

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    Connect with Bruce Kalmick :


    Website: https://whyandhow.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whyandhowmgmt/

    X: https://twitter.com/B_Kalmick

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bruce-kalmick-b876963/


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take



    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    How Raye Zaragoza Makes a Living as a DIY Artist (Hint: Not Streaming) Sep 13, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Learn more about Raye Zaragoza and her upcoming US tours: https://www.rayezaragoza.com/


    LA-based singer-songwriter Raye Zaragoza is called one of the most fresh and compelling voices in folk music today by NPR Music. She writes music for Netflix’s ‘Spirit Rangers’ and just released a new album Hold That Spirit on August 11, and has just announced that she has been cast as Tiger Lily in the Peter Pan National Tour.


    0:00 - Welcome

    07:20 - Raye casted a Tiger Lily in the Broadway tour of Peter Pan

    17:01 - Raye’s new album and collaborating

    26:23 - Deeply personal songwriting and songwriting as therapy

    36:37 - Writing for sync licensing

    41:16 - The business side of writing for a Netflix show

    51:25 - self releasing as an artist and running her own indie record label

    56:33 - How Raye uses Patreon like a record label


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/new-music-business-podcast/

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    Connect with Ari Herstand:


    Website: https://ariherstand.com

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    Connect with Raye Zaragoza :


    Website: https://www.rayezaragoza.com/

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHAyiHSDajCsHBGtdaPA95g

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rayezaragoza/

    X: https://twitter.com/rayezaragoza


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Support Tours, Mental Health, the State of the Live Music Industry from a Booking Agent Sep 06, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Learn more about Daniel McCartney: https://www.outlastrecords.com/


    00:59 - Welcome

    04:47 - Daniel’s focus on mental health for musicians

    11:06 - What can musicians in need of mental health care do?

    18:29 - Daniel’s role as a booking agent and the state of touring in 2023

    33:21 - Opening slots for bands in larger shows

    44:46 - Tour buy-ons for bands

    55:03 - How to get an agent as a band?

    58:28 - Outlast Records


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/nmb

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    Connect with Ari Herstand:


    Website: https://ariherstand.com

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    Connect with Daniel McCartney :


    Website: https://www.outlastrecords.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielmccartney/

    X: https://twitter.com/mccartneydk

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@danielkylemccartney


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Streaming Fraud is More Serious (and Inventive) Than You Think Aug 30, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Learn more about Beatdapp: https://beatdapp.com/


    Andrew Batey the Co-founder and Co-CEO of Beatdapp. He is an accomplished entertainment & technology entrepreneur (5x founder) and early adopter of major industry transformations across music, social media, and web3.


    Morgan Hayduk is the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Beatdapp, an entertainment technology company. Prior to founding Beatdapp, Hayduk led enterprise growth and partnerships for ZipRecruiter (NYSE:ZIP), was the Director of Federal Government Relations for TELUS Communications, and served as a consultant for Canada's leading boutique government relations firm, Crestview Strategy.


    00:00 - Welcome

    04:56 - Intros, what are your origins before Beatdapp?

    07:25 - What inspired launching Beatdapp?

    11:14 - What is streaming fraud?

    20:13 - How does Beatdapp catch streaming fraud?

    30:08 - How streaming fraud affects indie artists vs. major labels differently

    41:12 - When legitimate artists get taken down for fraud

    58:51 - What does it mean to you to make it in the New Music Business?


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/nmb

    Ari's Take Academy: https://aristakeacademy.com

    Watch more discussions like this: https://bit.ly/3LavMpa


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    Connect with Ari Herstand:


    Website: https://ariherstand.com

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    Connect with Beatdapp:


    Website: https://beatdapp.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beatdapp/

    X: https://twitter.com/beatdapp

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/beatdapp/


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    #StreamingFraud #Web3andMusic #DIYMusicians



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    How To Hack Spotify (and TikTok) Aug 23, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Learn more about Ryan Vaughn:

    Backline Creative - https://www.backlinecreative.com/

    Head Bitch Music - https://www.headbitchmusic.com/


    Ryan works as a manager for independent artists at his company Backline Creative, and he is the Chief Financial Officer of Head Bitch Music.

    00:00 - Welcome

    07:14 - What does your day-to-day look like?

    16:49 - “Fake” artists are actually real

    20:45 - Breaking down “The Chillest” and his release strategy

    28:00 - How to get your label verified through streaming platforms

    30:00 - Spotify playlists and reporting

    37:20 - Algorithmic strategies for independent artists, linear vs. exponential growth

    52:00 - Hacking TikTok with the waterfall method, TikTok licensing, revenue share

    1:00:00 - Discovery mode in Spotify


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/nmb

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    Watch more discussions like this: https://bit.ly/3LavMpa


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    Connect with Ari Herstand:


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    Connect with Ryan Vaughn:


    Website: https://www.backlinecreative.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/backlinemgmt/

    X: https://twitter.com/backlinemgmt

    Threads: https://www.threads.net/@headbtchmusic

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryandrummerboy/


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    A Sync Licensing Music Executive is Changing the Game Aug 16, 2023
    Show notes

    Order THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com


    Learn more about Jessica Vaughn:

    Venice Music - https://www.venicemusic.co/

    Head Bitch Music - https://www.headbitchmusic.com/


    This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari is joined by Jessica Vaughn, Head of Sync at Venice Music and President of Head Bitch Music.


    05:19 - Welcome

    06:19 - What is your current day-to-day?

    20:01 - The process of getting a song synced

    23:00 - Representing the master rights of artists

    31:00 - The current state of the sync industry

    35:15 - How does an artist find music supervisors who are open to working with artists direct?

    45:42 - AI music and sync

    51:00 - On music libraries


    Subscribe to The New Music Business: https://aristake.com/nmb

    Ari's Take Academy: https://aristakeacademy.com

    Watch more discussions like this: https://bit.ly/3LavMpa


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    Connect with Ari Herstand:


    Website: https://ariherstand.com

    Instagram: https://instagram.com/ariherstand

    X: https://twitter.com/ariherstand

    YouTube: https://youtube.com/ariherstand


    Connect with Jessica Vaughn:


    Website: https://www.headbitchmusic.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/headbtchmusic/

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@venicemusic.co

    X: https://twitter.com/headbtchmusic

    Threads: https://www.threads.net/@headbtchmusic


    Edited and mixed by Mikey Evans

    Music by Brassroots District

    Produced by the team at Ari’s Take


    #SyncLicensing #SyncAgency #MusicSupervision



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