The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

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How a Sony JV Record Label Develops Artists May 22, 2024

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This week, Ari is joined by David Rishty, the President of Palm Tree Records. They discuss Palm Tree’s partnership with Sony, the value of radio and satellite platforms like SiriusXM, and the many ways labels can help with artist development. Palm Tree Records is a joint venture with Sony Music, co-founded by Kygo and his manager, Miles. It operates as an indie label with major label resources, providing a small, tight-knit team and the support of a major label when needed.

David Rishty's journey in the music industry began as a writer, penning features for a variety of publications including Billboard. During his tenure there, he launched the Billboard Dance 100 artist ranking and partnered with top brands including SiriusXM and Apple Music. His passion for building a brand crossed over to artist development early on in his rise with the founding of Exchange Management. In the seven years since its inception, Rishty’s artist roster has collectively earned more than 600 million streams and performed at over 400 shows. He has since brought this management mindset to Palm Tree Records, providing a holistic approach to artist development and creating a boutique label experience. Palm Tree’s roster remains select at less than a dozen artists, yet has amassed over 750 million total streams to date.

Chapters

00:00 The Evolution of Dance Music and DJ Culture

05:14 The Role of Major Label Resources in Artist Development

09:04 The Importance of Radio Promotion and Other Revenue Verticals

11:24 Building a Brand and Fan Base with Palm Tree Records

24:00 Releasing Music and Establishing a Presence During the Pandemic

28:49 The Impact of SiriusXM and the Different Radio Landscape

35:18 The Power of Short-Form Video Content

47:21 The Importance of Trust in Label-Artist Relationships

55:28 Defining Success in the Music Industry

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Producer Manager on Points, Payment, Sessions and Publishing May 15, 2024

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This week, Ari is joined by Laura Jones, a producer manager and founder of Little Underground Management. They discuss negotiating contracts, signing up and coming producers, and navigating royalty splits. Little Underground Management represents producers and helps connect them with artists, with her role being 50% creative and 50% business administration. On the creative side, she acts as a musical matchmaker, connecting producers with artists, songwriters, and engineers. On the business side, she negotiates fees, contracts, and schedules, and oversees the entire recording process. In this conversation, Ari and Laura discuss the complexities of songwriting and publishing splits in the music industry. They explore how songwriting credits are determined, the challenges of splitting royalties, and the politics involved in negotiating publishing deals. Laura shares insights into how deals are structured, the importance of contracts, and the challenges of getting paid in a timely manner.

Chapters

00:00 The Importance of Contracts for Producers

02:23 Understanding Master Royalties and Publishing

09:39 The Role of Producer Managers in Connecting Producers with Artists

23:33 How Producer Deals Work: Fees and Royalties

34:01 Navigating Different Genres and Deal Structures

36:28 The Complexities of Publishing Rights

49:40 Challenges of Getting Paid in the Music Industry

53:49 The Importance of Contracts for Producers and Songwriters

01:02:19 Finding a Manager as a Producer

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Understanding How Digital & Physical Mechanical Royalties Work May 08, 2024

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Serona Elton serves as Head of Educational Partnerships for The Mechanical Licensing Collective (The MLC). In this role, Elton directs The MLC’s efforts to engage future members of the music industry currently studying music business and related subjects at colleges and universities across the country and around the world.

With extensive experience as a music industry professional and educator, Elton is also a professor and Director of the Music Industry Program at the University of Miami Frost School of Music. In 2023, she was named Music Business Educator of the Year by the Music Business Association. She is also a Yamaha Master Educator.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

07:30 Changes in Mechanical Licensing

21:21 Releasing Co-Written Songs

25:06 Introduction to the MLC

29:33 Calculating Royalties for Streams

40:40 Relationship Between the MLC and PROs

49:32 International Mechanical Royalties

54:21 The Role of Legislation in the Music Industry

01:00:41 Calculating Mechanical Royalties

01:07:38 Defining Success in the Music Business

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SLANDER, Deorro, NGHTMRE Manager on Selling 400K Tix In a Year, Building Electronic Artists & DJs May 01, 2024

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Beginning his tenth year in the music industry today, Will Runzel is co-founder of Prodigy Artists. He got his start throwing Hip-Hop concerts (Big Sean, Jeremih, Mike Posner, Twista) in college towns in the midwest, Steve Aoki brought him to LA to head up Dim Mak Live for a year before heading up React Presents West Coast division and another year with LED Presents / Goldenvoice (booking Jamie XX, M83, Calvin Harris). Around that time he started what is now known as Collectiv Presents with Chris Den Uijl, as well as his management company Prodigy Artists alongside Steven Haddad. Today, Runzel is the CEO of Prodigy Artists who represent SLANDER, Deorro, NGHTMRE, Guy Gerber, Audien as well as Grammy-nominated producers Bekon & The Donuts.

This week, Ari and Will discuss various aspects of the dance music industry, including revenue streams, remixes, and the role of managers. He emphasizes the importance of touring for bass music artists and the unique nature of their merchandise sales. Will also explains the business model of remixes and additionally highlights the need for data collection and retargeting in the new music business.

Chapters

00:00 Remixes and Original Music

10:12 SLANDER, NGHTMRE, and Deorro

29:07 Revenue and Profitability of Shows

36:16 Revenue Breakdown for Bass Music Artists

41:53 Reselling Records

50:21 Managing Record Producers

57:43 The Challenges of Playing at the Sphere

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We Can Learn A Lot From the Dance Music Industry Apr 24, 2024

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Moody Jones is an entrepreneurial entertainment executive and artist who thrives on creating new rules and executing unique concepts. Currently, he’s the GM of Dance at EMPIRE – an independent distribution company and record label pioneering the future generation of the music business.

This week, Ari is joined by GM of Dance at EMPIRE, Moody Jones, to discuss Empire's business model, the dance music industry, and the role of an executive in supporting artists. They discuss various aspects of the music industry, including consumer behavior on social media, the impact of UMG on artists, advice for aspiring producers and DJs, the importance of art in everything you do, discovering and signing new artists, release frequency, and what it means to make it in the new music business.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Overview of Empire

05:09 The Dance Division and the Dance Market

15:02 Measuring Success and Revenue Streams

23:02 Consumer Behavior on Social Media

26:00 Advice for Aspiring Producers and DJs

30:23 Building Relationships with Artists

37:38 Release Frequency and Removing Songs from DSPs

44:30 What It Means to Make It in the New Music Business

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Artist Manager on Release Strategy, Record Deals and the TikTok Ban Apr 17, 2024

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A Los Angeles native and UCLA alumni, Michele Harrison commenced her career as a legal assistant at the Law Offices of Fischbach, Perlstein and Lieberman. Following gigs at Virgin Records and Hollywood Records, she spent 15 years at Ian Montone’s Monotone, Inc., working with the likes of Broken Bells, The Shins, Vampire Weekend, and Academy® Award winner Jamie Foxx. In 2018, she became Co-Head of Management at Friends At Work, managing Alanis Morissette and Raphael Saadiq. 2021 saw her join Range Music as a Partner, overseeing the careers of Healy, KaiGoinKrazy, Tkay Maidza, Justin Tranter, and UMI. With MPH Collective, she has now built a haven for artists, visionaries, and storytellers to shine without compromise.

In this interview, Ari and Michele discuss the role of autonomy and control in management, the impact of TikTok on artists' careers, and the changing landscape of record deals. She shares insights into the profitability of different venue sizes and the revenue streams from touring, including VIP experiences and merchandise sales. Michele also discusses the role of producers and the process of creating beat packs to pitch to artists and songwriters. She highlights the importance of getting in the room with other producers and songwriters to create music.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background of MPH Collective

03:06 The Impact of TikTok and Challenges in the Music Industry

06:53 The Shifting Landscape of Record Deals

11:52 The Importance of Authenticity in Social Media

30:26 Building a Collaborative Team

35:15 The Importance of Booking Agents and Touring

41:09 Profitability and Revenue Streams

46:09 The Role of Producers

57:01 The Goal in the New Music Business

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How Spotify's Algorithm Works (From Its Creator) Apr 10, 2024

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Glenn McDonald was Spotify’s data alchemist and the creator of the music exploration site Every Noise at Once. He writes things for people about how humanity and technology co-exist, and things for computers about how to cope with not being human. He wrote a weekly music review column called The War Against Silence for ten years, tabulated the Village Voice’s Pazz & Jop music critics’ poll for several years, and was part of the music-intelligence start-up The Echo Nest, which was eventually acquired by Spotify.

He believes that music is the thing humans do best, and that bringing all the world’s music together online is one of the greatest cultural achievements of his lifetime. His book explaining why is being published by Canbury Press in 2024.

This week, Ari and Glenn McDonald discuss his role as a data alchemist and his work on the Every Noise at Once genre map. McDonald shares insights into the creation and maintenance of the Every Noise genre map, which categorizes over 6,000 genres and subgenres. He also discusses the evolution of Spotify playlists, from editorial to personalized, and the impact of algorithmic programming. They explore the impact of algorithmic recommendations on artists and fans, as well as the challenges of detecting fraud and bot attacks.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

08:30 Creating the Every Noise Genre Map

19:54 Personalized Playlists and Algorithmic Programming

32:25 Fans Also Like and its Evolution

37:06 The Challenges of Algorithmic Recommendations

41:30 The Limitations of Detecting Fraud

47:56 The Mystery of Sudden Streaming Spikes

01:00:19 Glenn McDonald's Book and Future Plans

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All His Music Got Removed From Spotify for "Fraudulent Streaming Activity" Which He Didn't Do Apr 03, 2024

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This week, Ari is joined by Benn Jordan, musician, youtuber and entrepreneur, to discuss the many challenges of the modern streaming focused music industry. They discuss the recent issue around artists getting their music removed from streaming services due to fraudulent streaming activity and the impact on artists’ careers. The conversation also touches on the recent zero tolerance policy of distributors. The conversation covers topics such as the financial challenges of being an independent musician, the future of sustaining a music career, the ethics of AI in music, creating ethical AI models, and the role of artists in shaping the future of music and AI.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

05:35 Challenges of Streaming Platforms

11:10 The Problem with Subsidized Streaming

15:26 The Success Story of Independent Artists

22:43 Introduction to VoiceSwap

36:21 The financial challenges of being an independent musician

44:02 The future of sustaining a music career

49:43 The ethics of AI in music

01:00:02 The role of artists in shaping the future of music and AI

01:01:52 Defining success in the new music business

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