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The AI Native Dev – from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.

Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you’re passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.

Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.

Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.

Latest Episodes:

Why LLMs Keep Missing This One Thing | Jason Ganz Jun 24, 2025

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Can LLMs replace structured systems to scale enterprises?
Jason Ganz, Senior Manager DX at dbt Labs, joins Simon Maple to unpack why, despite the rapid rise of AI systems, enterprises still rely on structured data for consistency and reliable decision making.
They also discuss:

the invisible edge cases LLMs can’t see
difference between software engineering and data engineering in AI
the mismatch between AI output and business logic
what the data engineer of the future actually does

AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Jason Ganz (LinkedIn)- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasnonaz/
2. Jason Ganz (X)- https://x.com/jasnonaz
3. dbt Labs- https://www.getdbt.com/
4. dbt Fusion engine- https://www.getdbt.com/product/fusion
5. dbt Community- https://www.getdbt.com/community
6. Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
7. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
8. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/
00:00 Trailer
01:01 Introduction
01:41 dbt Labs
04:39 Data engineers
07:39 LLMs understanding
13:15 AI isn’t as lazy as humans
15:29 Problem: the scaffolding to get data
17:38 Best contextual results
19:40 Dealing with security
25:00 Structured data
27:37 Problems with LLMs and data
29:47 Exact numbers
32:10 Hallucinations
34:28 Human validation
36:20 MCP servers
39:09 UX bottlenecks
42:27 Quality of data
44:00 The future of data engineers
47:02 getdbt.com
48:09 Outro

CTO of $7B Snyk Talks AI Security, Risky Software & Enterprise Adoption Jun 17, 2025

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In this episode of AI Native Dev, Guy Podjarny and Danny Allan unpack how security has reduced just to a concern from a roadblock for devs.
On the docket:

why 80% of Snyk’s enterprise customers are actively using AI tools
navigating security risks of today and tomorrow
the recurring flaw in every new stack
why more code means more vulnerabilities

AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:

Danny Allan- https://www.linkedin.com/in/dannyallan/
Guy Podjarny- https://www.linkedin.com/in/guypo/
Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

The $2B Nvidia Backed AI Video Platform Jun 10, 2025

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In this episode of AI Native Dev, Guy Podjarny is joined by Victor Riparbelli, Co-founder and CEO of Synthesia, who is leading the charge towards AI driven video that lets anyone become a video creation pro with no prior field experience.
On the docket:
• how Synthesia enables full video editability even after generation
• Victor’s vision for fully coded videos that enable personalized, customizable viewing
• Victor’s belief that future generations will prefer visuals over any kind of text
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Victor Riparbelli- https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorriparbelli/
2. Guy Podjarny- https://www.linkedin.com/in/guypo/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

Why the Top 1% of Devs Love IntelliJ | Anton Arhipov Jun 03, 2025

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From early IntelliJ user to JetBrains advocate, Anton Arhipov continues his conversation with Simon Maple and Baptiste Fernandez on AI Native Dev, tracing his journey through tools, trends, and the changing face of developer experience.
On the docket:
• how IntelliJ responds to new tools in the market
• understanding the pros and cons of tab-driven development for devs
• why tools will need to get better in PR workflows
• ZeroTurnaround’s Java reloading that ended JVM restarts
• the four must-know IntelliJ plugins for every developer
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Anton Arhipov- https://www.linkedin.com/in/antonarhipov/
2. Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
3. Baptiste Fernandez - https://www.linkedin.com/in/baptiste-fernandez-0a958630/
4. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
5. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

How This Broadcom Dev Uses Spring to Power AI Workflows | Josh Long May 27, 2025

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What happens when the OG Spring Dev, Josh Long, teams up with Simon Maple on AI Native Dev?
You get a front row seat to them building a Spring powered app that showcases the future of AI integration.
While building the app, they discuss:

why developers are adopting Spring AI
how Spring is becoming the go-to for AI engineering
why companies route users from humans to IVRs
understanding model context protocol

AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:

Josh Long- https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshlong/
Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

One CEO’s Plan to Rebuild How We Deploy AI | Ron Eforni & Flox May 20, 2025

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In this episode, our founder and CEO, Guy Podjarny speaks with Ron Efroni, CEO of Flox and President of the NixOS Foundation, about advancing AI from experimental phases to robust, production-ready environments.
Flox optimizes reproducible environments, Nix provides the foundation, and Ron Efroni is uniting them to scale enterprise development.
On the docket:

the value proposition of using "environment as code"
exploring a future of specialized AI agents in a connected ecosystem.
grasping how to layer MCP over environments, and
AI to be more deterministic, or should we adapt to it?

About Us:
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:

Ron Efroni- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronefroni/
Guy Podjarny- https://www.linkedin.com/in/guypo/
Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

Vibe Coding SimCity II: Injecting Chaos with Natural Disasters and AI Tools May 14, 2025

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Simon Maple and Joe Holdcroft swap their AI-generated apps and put Cursor and Windsurf to the test by adding natural disasters like earthquakes and lightning strikes. Discover how AI coding tools handle randomness, spreading effects, animation, and bugs—plus the devs’ thoughts on debugging AI-generated code.
Subscribe for deep dives into modern dev workflows and AI-powered coding experiments.
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/dzXGY8YUx-8

Vibe Coding SimCity: Prototyping Tiny Towns with AI Dev Tools May 06, 2025

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In this hands-on episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple and Joe Holdcroft go head-to-head in a “vibe coding relay” challenge—building a tiny town simulator from scratch using AI-powered dev tools BASE44 and Bolt.new. With only 10 minutes, vague prompts, and no prep, they put these rapid-prototyping tools to the test. Simon leans into SimCity nostalgia while Joe battles ghost-town bugs and infinite money glitches. Hosted by Macey Baker, the episode dives deep into AI-assisted UI generation, event simulation, and how far these tools can really go with minimal human input. Part 2 continues next week with Cursor and Windsurf as Simon and Joe swap codebases to iterate on each other’s AI-born towns.

Exploring LLM Observability with Traceloop's Gal Kleinman Apr 29, 2025

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In this episode, Simon Maple converses with Gal Kleinman, co-founder of Traceloop, to delve into the realm of LLM observability. Kleinman shares his expertise on constructing evaluation suites and overcoming the challenges associated with LLM applications. Learn about innovative solutions like Open LLMetry and gain insights into best practices for maintaining robust observability systems.

Subscribe to the AI Native Developer podcast for more insights on AI and development.
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/TD-wjNStTVM
Check out Traceloop: https://www.traceloop.com/

From Builder to Orchestrator—Confronting the Software Engineer’s Identity Crisis Apr 22, 2025

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In this episode, host Simon Maple engages in a compelling discussion with Annie Vella, a skilled software engineer and manager, about the integration of AI into software development. Annie shares her insights on how AI tools are reshaping coding practices, the challenges engineers face in transitioning to management roles, and the skills required to thrive in this evolving landscape. This episode is crucial for anyone looking to understand the implications of AI in their work.

Subscribe to the AI Native Developer podcast for more insights on AI and development.
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/GI2ywMl2gQk
Read Annie's blog: https://annievella.com/posts/the-software-engineering-identity-crisis/

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