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The AI Native Dev – from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.

Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you’re passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.

Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.

Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.

Latest Episodes:

Is Your Team Ready for AI-Driven Modernization? | Birgitta Böckeler Sep 02, 2025

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What does it mean to be a developer when AI writes most of the code?
On this episode of AI Native Dev, Birgitta Böckeler, Distinguished Engineer at ThoughtWorks, joins Simon Maple to unpack how AI is changing legacy migrations, and why the real value comes from pairing LLMs with proven software engineering practices.
They also get into:
• why “AI alone” won’t solve legacy modernization
• how codemods and deterministic tools amplify AI creativity
• the reflex to rewrite vs. the discipline to refactor
• why developers need to evolve into managers of AI-driven workflows
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk about all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Birgitta Böckeler - https://www.linkedin.com/in/birgittaboeckeler/
2. Simon - https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

Can AI Really Build Enterprise-Grade Software? | Maor Shlomo & Base44 Aug 26, 2025

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AI coding is great for demos, but can it handle production apps?
On this episode of AI Native Dev, Maor Shlomo, founder of Base44, joins Guy Podjarny to share how he built one of the first “batteries-included” AI app builders and what it reveals about building real software in the age of LLMs.
They dive into:
• why less complexity helps LLMs perform
• how Base44 ships apps with databases and integrations built in
• what smaller, high-context teams can do that big ones can’t
• the path from vibe coding to agentic applications
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk about all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Maor Shlomo - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maor-shlomo-1088b4144/
2. Guy Podjarny - https://www.linkedin.com/in/guypo/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

Transforming Dev Practices with Kiro’s Spec-Driven Tools | Nikhil and Richard Aug 19, 2025

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Rapid prototyping is fun, but maintaining it? Not so much.
In this episode, Simon Maple is joined by Nikhil Swaminathan, Head of Product and Richard Threlkeld, Principal Engineer at Kiro IDE (AWS), to discuss how spec-driven development moves the focus from writing code to understanding and communicating system behavior, building software that is easy to understand so that developers can maintain code without losing clarity.
They also explore:
• Kiro’s philosophy on spec-driven development
• why specs must be composable documents
• how specs enable better review and reasoning around refactors
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk about all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Richard Threlkeld- https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-threlkeld-ba31aa1/
2. Nikhil Swaminathan- https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilswaminathan/
3. Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
4. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
5. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

Transforming Debugging and Root Cause Detection with Sentry | David Cramer Aug 12, 2025

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On this episode of AI Native Dev, David Cramer, co-founder of Sentry, joins Guy Podjarny to talk about what it really takes to ship faster with LLMs built into the workflow, and why over 4 million devs rely on Sentry to do it right.
On the docket:
• how Sentry’s moat is built on deeply interconnected app data
• why David prefers Cursor over Claude
• how a cynical mindset kills AI adoption before it begins
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. David Cramer- https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmcramer/
2. Guy Podjarny- https://www.linkedin.com/in/guypo/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

Why Tracking AI Usage Drives Better Results | Justin Reock & DX Aug 05, 2025

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With AI adoption surging across orgs, Justin Reock, CTO at DX, joins Simon Maple to break down the difference between meaningful integration and just chasing trends.
They also get into:
• two levers of velocity: quality and maintainability.
• why measuring real AI impact starts with knowing who’s using it and how
• how AI supercharges developer productivity across the SDLC
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Curated Resource of the Week:
https://ainativedev.co/1ij
Connect with us here:
1. Justin Reock- https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinreock/
2. Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

What Next Gen AI Infra, Voice and Video Looks Like | Datadog, Eleven Labs and Synthesia Jul 29, 2025

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In this compilation, Olivier Pomel (Datadog), Mati Staniszewski (ElevenLabs), and Victor Riparbelli (Synthesia) join Guy Podjarny to unpack what it takes to build category defining products in the AI native era.
On the docket:
• why root cause detection felt like sci-fi a few years ago, and what’s changed
• the early challenges ElevenLabs faced as an audio first AI company
• how Synthesia got Mark Cuban to invest in them
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Olivier Pomel- https://www.linkedin.com/in/olivierpomel/
2. Mati Staniszewski- https://www.linkedin.com/in/matiii/
3. Victor Riparbelli- https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorriparbelli/
4. Guy Podjarny- https://www.linkedin.com/in/guypo/
5. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
6. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

What If Fixing Code Wasn’t Your Job Anymore? | Jonathan Schneider & Moderne Jul 22, 2025

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Jonathan Schneider, co-founder and CEO of Moderne, joins Simon Maple to share how real engineering teams are using Moderne’s rewrite engine to reduce technical debt at the source, and drive org-wide transformation.
On the docket:

the hard limit LLMs can’t scale past
why OpenRewrite uses a declarative framework
the real challenge: accessing the compiler’s truth

AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Jonathan Schneider- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkschneider/
2. Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

Why AI Coding Agents Are Here To Stay | Patrick Debois Jul 15, 2025

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Patrick Debois, the mind behind “DevOps,” joins Simon Maple to unpack the system-level shifts AI is driving across software engineering, drawn from what he saw firsthand at the AI Engineer’s World Fair.
They also get into:
• how inconsistent codebases confuse AI
• why running agents locally is becoming obsolete
• inside OpenAI’s concept of “model specs”
AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Read Patrick Debois’s full article here: https://ainativedev.co/0p3
Connect with us here:
1. Patrick Debois- https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickdebois/
2. Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/
(00:00) Trailer
(01:03) Introduction
(02:57) AI Engineering World Fair: Conference Overview
(07:38) Seven Key Lessons from the Fair
(08:51) AI Coding Agents Everywhere
(11:14) Evolving AI Dev Tool Practices
(12:23) Specs as the New Code
(15:00) Agents Running in the Cloud
(24:00) Parallel Agent Execution
(36:58) CI/CD Shifting Left
(40:55) AI Productivity Multipliers
(47:15) Outro

The Graph Layer Behind NASA’s Breakthroughs | Michael Hunger Jul 08, 2025

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Michael Hunger of Neo4j, joins Simon Maple to unpack how graph databases inject structure, intent, and traceability into modern AI systems.
On the docket:

why relationships in data encode intent
the black-box problem in vector based RAG
why devs should build their own MCP server

AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:

Michael Hunger- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jexpde/
Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

(00:00) Trailer
(01:03) Introduction & Neo4j Origins
(03:02) Persisting Relationships for High-Performance Queries
(04:00) Modeling Business Intent & Key Use Cases
(05:00) Fraud Detection at Scale with Graph Algorithms
(06:11) Graph-Enhanced RAG vs. Vector-Only Retrieval
(09:02) Explainability & Drill-Down Evaluation in RAG
(13:05) Fusing Structured & Unstructured Data for Context
(15:00) MCP for Developer Productivity: Schema-to-Code & API Wrapping
(21:16) Security & Sandboxing Best Practices for MCP
(29:08) MCP Server Recommendations & Outro

The Missing Gap In Workflows For AI Devs | Baruch Sadogursky Jul 01, 2025

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Baruch Sadogursky, Head of Developer Relations at TuxCare, joins Simon Maple to explore why automated integrity needs to be built in before we rely on AI outputs.
On the docket:

the difference between specs and tests
why PMs sidelined specs
the "intent-integrity gap" between human goals and LLM outputs
the non-determinism of LLMs as a feature, not a flaw
Baruch’s belief: devs are not going anywhere

AI Native Dev, powered by Tessl and our global dev community, is your go-to podcast for solutions in software development in the age of AI. Tune in as we engage with engineers, founders, and open-source innovators to talk all things AI, security, and development.
Connect with us here:
1. Baruch Sadogursky- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jbaruch/
2. Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
3. Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
4. AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/

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