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The AI Native Dev – from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.

Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you’re passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.

Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.

Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.

Latest Episodes:

Is Code Dead & The $1B Solo Startup Myth - 5 AI Realities with Tessl's Guy Podjarny Apr 15, 2025

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In this episode, Guy Podjarny sits down with Tom Hulme to discuss the transformative shift from a code-centric to a spec-centric approach in software development. They explore the advantages of cloud-native practices, the evolving tool ecosystem, and the future role of AI and LLMs. Gain expert insights into the trends that are shaping the future of the industry.

Subscribe to the AI Native Developer podcast for more insights on AI and development!

Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/reU8W2aH30Y
Read the GV Event Blog: gv.com/news/five-ai-realities-with-tessl-guy-podjarny

AI's Transformative Impact on Development with Alex Komorske Apr 09, 2025

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In this episode, Alex Komoroske delves into the transformative role of AI in the tech industry. As an expert in web platform development, Alex discusses AI's potential to redefine technology and creativity. Gain insights into how AI serves as a disruptive innovation and explore its implications for developers.

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Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/utzvGealvrE

Datadog CEO Olivier Pomel on AI Security, Trust, and the Future of Observability Apr 01, 2025

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Join Guy Podjarny as he hosts Olivier Pomel, CEO of Datadog, in a compelling discussion on the evolution of observability and AI's role in modern technology. Olivier offers his expertise on AI-powered applications, the security challenges they face, and the future of AI interactions. This episode provides crucial insights for tech professionals and developers seeking to understand AI's impact on cloud computing and security.

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Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/-5N53Xq5DX4

Intent-Driven Development: Insights from Patrick Debois Mar 26, 2025

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In this episode of the Tessl podcast, hosts Patrick Debois and Simon Maple explore the transformative landscape of software development practices. Join them as they discuss emerging patterns that are reshaping the industry. Patrick, a DevOps pioneer, shares valuable insights on aligning development work with business intents, while Simon brings his expertise in Java, cloud computing, and AI integration in software to the table. This engaging discussion is a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of development.

What You'll Learn:

Identify emerging patterns in software development that enhance decision-making.
Shift your focus from implementation to understanding business intent for more meaningful outcomes.
Utilize spec centricity to create clearer specifications that bridge technical and non-technical teams.
Leverage the right tools to facilitate innovative practices and improve productivity.
Recognize the significance of clean data in enhancing software requirements and decision-making.

This episode is perfect for developers, project managers, and anyone in the tech field looking to stay ahead of the curve in evolving development practices. It's an invaluable resource for those seeking to understand how to better align their work with business goals and improve collaboration across teams.

💡 What are your thoughts on the future of development practices? Join the conversation and share your insights in the comments! 👇
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/kMRHuc36AK4

Blog post: https://ainativedev.io/news/the-4-patterns-of-ai-native-dev-overview

How Attackers Trick AI: Lessons from Gandalf’s Creator Mar 18, 2025

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🔒 How Secure is AI? Gandalf’s Creator Exposes the Risks 🔥
AI security is under attack, and hackers are finding new ways to manipulate AI systems. In this episode, Guy Podjarny sits down with Mateo Rojas-Carulla, co-founder of Lakera and creator of Gandalf, to break down the biggest threats facing AI today—from prompt injections and jailbreaks to data poisoning and agent manipulation.
What You’ll Learn:
- How attackers exploit AI vulnerabilities in real-world applications
- Why AI models struggle to separate instructions from external data
- How Gandalf’s 60M+ attack attempts revealed shocking insights
- What the Dynamic Security Utility Framework (DSEC) means for AI safety
- Why red teaming is critical for preventing AI disasters
Whether you’re a developer, security expert, or just curious about AI risks, this episode is packed with must-know insights on keeping AI safe in an evolving landscape.
💡 Can AI truly be secured? Or will attackers always find a way? Drop your thoughts in the comments! 👇
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/RKCvlJT_r4s

AI Gone Rogue? LLM Werewolf Showdown Mar 13, 2025

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What happens when AI learns to lie? In this electrifying episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple is joined by the brilliant Macey Baker, Community Engineer at Tessl, to unravel the wild, unpredictable, and sometimes downright hilarious world of Large Language Models (LLMs) in social deception games.

From the psychological mind games of Werewolf to the cutthroat negotiations of Split or Steal, Macey spills the details on how AI models like OpenAI’s GPT-4o, Anthropic’s Sonnet, Llama, and DeepSeek R1 navigate deception, trust, and ethics when the stakes are high. Can an AI manipulate, bluff, or betray? Which model is the sneakiest, and which one folds under pressure?

Prepare for shocking twists, unexpected strategies, and an eye-opening look at the ethical implications of AI in interactive gameplay. This is one episode you won’t want to miss—especially if you think you can outwit an AI!

Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/9hVeVYlqyBc

Monthly Roundup: AI Model Wars, GPT-4.5 vs. Sonnet 3.7, and the Future of AI Dev Tools Mar 10, 2025

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In this episode, Guy and Simon dive deep into February’s wave of AI model releases, focusing heavily on the showdown between OpenAI’s GPT-4.5 and Anthropic’s Sonnet 3.7. They discuss GPT-4.5's move toward higher emotional intelligence (EQ), how it compares with Claude, and whether it’s actually meeting developers' expectations—or falling short.
Anthropic’s introduction of dynamic reasoning with Sonnet 3.7 gets special attention as Guy and Simon explore what this new feature means practically for developers, referencing Bolt.new’s recent implementation as an example. They also weigh the strategic choices these AI labs face—when to build tools themselves and when to act purely as platforms—highlighting the delicate balance companies like Anthropic and ElevenLabs must strike.
The conversation also covers practical developer workflows, featuring insights from recent interviews with Farhath, who leverages multiple AI dev tools simultaneously, and Mati from ElevenLabs, who shares how his company navigates scaling and research while remaining nimble.
Finally, Guy and Simon announce AI Native Dev Con: Spring 2025, and hint at exciting upcoming episodes, rounding out a packed discussion that goes straight to the heart of what matters for AI-native developers today.
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/kjAs_isf-Vs

The Future of Audio AI: Insights from Mati Staniszewski of ElevenLabs Feb 27, 2025

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In this episode of AI Native Dev, hosts Guy Podjarny sits down with Mati Staniszewski, the visionary CEO and co-founder of ElevenLabs, a leader in AI audio technology. Mati shares the origin story of ElevenLabs, detailing how a frustration with subpar dubbing in Polish movies sparked a mission to revolutionize audio processing. The conversation delves into the technical challenges and breakthroughs that have positioned ElevenLabs at the forefront of AI-powered audio experiences. Mati also discusses the company's unique organizational culture and its commitment to pushing the boundaries of audio AI. Whether you're a developer, entrepreneur, or AI enthusiast, this episode offers valuable insights into the future of audio technology and the role ElevenLabs is playing in shaping it.
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ImknDhWdDkQ

Building the Ultimate AI-Powered Development Environment with Farhath Razzaque Feb 19, 2025

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In this episode of the AI Native Dev podcast, Simon Maple sits down with Farhath Razzaque, a freelance software AI engineer who has been extensively using AI tools in his development workflow. Farhath has built a reputation as a trusted voice in the AI and software development communities, thanks to his rich background and experience. He has worked on multiple projects that integrate cutting-edge AI technologies, helping companies streamline their processes and innovate effectively. His passion for AI and development is evident through his active participation in various tech forums and his contributions to open-source projects. Farhath's insights into his ideal development environment, the tools he frequently uses, and his thoughts on the future of AI in software development offer invaluable guidance for developers looking to integrate AI into their processes.

Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7eE8rzzcrZM

DeepSeek R1: Ask Me Anything - Open Weights, MoE innovations, Model Distillation and more! Feb 11, 2025

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Join Simon Maple as he hosts a compelling discussion at the State of Open Con, featuring Amanda Brock, CEO of OpenUK, Guy Podjarny, Founder and CEO of Tessl, and Richard Sikang Bian, Head of Open Source from Ant Group. This episode delves into the impact of DeepSeek R1, a groundbreaking AI model that has taken the market by storm due to its cost-effective and innovative approach. The panel explores the broader implications for open source AI, discussing legal, ethical, and collaborative aspects. Amanda Brock provides insights into the open source legal frameworks, while Guy Podjarny shares his expertise on transparency and innovation. Richard Sikang Bian offers a unique perspective on company culture and AI development strategies. Tune in to understand how DeepSeek R1 is setting new standards in AI and what the future holds for open source technology.

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