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Welcome to the RiskReversal Pod, where Dan Nathan and Guy Adami are joined by the most brilliant minds in markets and tech.

We break down the most important market moving headlines to help listeners make better informed investing decisions.

Our goal is to deconstruct Wall Street speak and offer contrarian insights and strategies that help investors navigate increasingly volatile markets.

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Latest Episodes:

Bubbles as a Feature, Not a Bug with Carlyle's Jason Thomas Mar 13, 2026

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami welcome Jason Thomas, Head of Global Research and Investment Strategy at Carlyle, to discuss why equities often react far less to geopolitical risk than to financial shocks, and how a “security premium” is emerging as policymakers prioritize reliable energy supplies, potentially boosting demand via stockpiling. Thomas explains how markets adapted to tariffs after an initial shock, but argues wars are harder to “end” because multiple parties must agree. They explore a richly valued dollar, limited alternatives driving central banks and investors toward gold, and why supply-chain invoicing reinforces dollar dominance. Thomas expects S&P 500 concentration—largely tied to data centers and the Mag 7—to drive diversification toward equal-weight, small/value, and “old economy” industries amid shifting energy-transition timelines and rising defense needs. They also examine AI’s capex-revenue gap, hyperscaler valuation challenges from heavy infrastructure spending, and argue systemic-risk fears around private credit are overstated versus other leverage risks.

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Bubbles as a Feature Not a Bug (Carlyle)

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Selling Software Until No One Is Left To Buy It Mar 11, 2026

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami discuss ongoing market volatility and rotation, noting persistent software underperformance versus semiconductor strength, with a brief IGV rebound from late-February lows that has faded as investors return to AI and semis when risk feels “all clear.” They highlight IGV’s concentration in Microsoft, Palantir, Salesforce, and Oracle, and focus on Microsoft’s lack of a meaningful bounce and key technical levels. The conversation also examines Palantir as a valuation-sensitive “story stock” amid narratives around war-driven demand and government contracts. They preview Oracle’s earnings against concerns about AI infrastructure commitments, remaining purchase obligations, margins, and negative cash flow, alongside questions about OpenAI funding and potential diversification of tenants. They close by warning that repeated shallow selloffs may be reinforcing dip-buying and speculative “bubble” behavior despite Mag 7 cooling.

Article Mentioned

Oracle and OpenAI End Plans to Expand Flagship Data Center (Bloomberg)

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Credit Isn't A Problem... Until It Is Mar 09, 2026

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami break down a messy macro picture after the latest nonfarm payrolls miss: a softening labor market, sticky inflation, and an equity tape that still looks oddly calm on the surface. They dig into rising credit stress in banks and private credit, what the VIX and bond market are really signaling, and how oil shocks and geopolitical tensions in the Middle East complicate the Fed’s next move. After the break, Jen Saarbach and Kristen Kelly from The Wall Street Skinny join to unpack the Warner-Paramount mega-deal, “synergies” as code for layoffs, AI’s slow-motion impact on white-collar jobs, and why today’s conditions have uncomfortable echoes of 2008.

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Does The Future Freak Cameron Dawson Out Or Is Everything Alright? Mar 06, 2026

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Guy Adami and Dan Nathan welcome Cameron Dawson, CIO of NewEdge, to discuss market psychology versus history, arguing that positioning, sentiment, and flows show continued retail buying and complacency even as institutions reduced equity exposure around “Liberation Day.” Dawson highlights warning signs including weak financials, discretionary lagging staples, and a “risk swap” from AI-disrupted software into high-valuation defensives and cyclicals. The group explores volatility selling, geopolitical risks that matter mainly through oil’s impact on earnings, and how to monitor credit—especially high yield spreads—while noting private credit and BDCs have heavier software exposure than public high yield. They debate IPO demand for mega private AI firms, bond yields’ lack of trend, the dollar’s role in non-U.S. equities, China’s partial decoupling, gold’s parabolic technicals, and how jobs, growth, inflation, and future EPS estimates shape 2026–2027 market outcomes.

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The Future Freaks Me Out or Everything is Alright? (NewEdge)

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Dan Benton's Rules For Tech Investing In 2026 Mar 04, 2026

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Dan Nathan interviews veteran tech investor Dan Benton about how tech investing has changed since Benton’s 1991 “20 rules” at Goldman Sachs and why he’s releasing new “2026 rules,” alongside launching a Substack. Benton contrasts a pre-internet, sell-side, information-advantage era with today’s commoditized data, retail tools, and faster markets, arguing investors now differentiate by identifying secular themes and sticking with them. He emphasizes tech as “the market,” the need to respect the Fed, and that momentum in tech is driven by multi-year estimate trajectories, revenue acceleration, and operating leverage, with valuation often secondary until growth decelerates. They discuss stock-based compensation distorting earnings quality, rotations within AI beneficiaries, crowding and risk-off selloffs, and uncertainties around hyperscaler CapEx and OpenAI’s private-market marks. The conversation covers SaaS disruption risk, Tesla and SpaceX “selling the future,” China’s advantages, and why markets are faster but not smarter.

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Rules For Tech Investing (Google Drive)
Follow Dan's SubStack: substack.com/@danbenton

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Violent Rotations Brewing Under The Surface + He Said, She Said Live from Miami Mar 02, 2026

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami cover PPI, upcoming earnings, and this week’s jobs report. They focus on mounting stress in the AI infrastructure and financing complex: CoreWeave’s post-earnings drop, heavy customer concentration, funding challenges, and Jim Chanos’ critique that its GPU-leasing model loses money and shows distress-level liquidity, alongside declines in Apollo, KKR, Blackstone, and banks. They contrast Nvidia’s strong quarter and 60% growth outlook with stock stagnation, discuss Broadcom as a key AI barometer, and note ongoing software multiple and margin compression highlighted by volatile moves in Workday and Salesforce. Despite rising VIX swings, falling 10-year yields, and consumer-credit concerns signaled by AmEx, Capital One, Klarna, and Walmart trade-down commentary, the S&P remains near highs; they also discuss crude’s rebound amid Middle East tensions and Bitcoin weakness pressuring MicroStrategy.

After the break, Jen & Kristen join Dan and Guy live from the iConnections Global Alts conference in Miami to unpack an “AI panic” market day, why higher productivity could mean higher rates, and what private credit hiccups really signal for hedge funds and alts. They also explain how The Wall Street Skinny is turning arcane finance jargon into plain English for everyone from college students to the C‑suite, plus why there are no dumb questions when it comes to bonds, credit, and careers on Wall Street.

Timecodes

0:00 - Intro

2:00 - CoreWeave & The Software Slide

17:30 - VIX, SPX & The Consumer

25:00 - Yields & Crude

28:30 - Bitcoin & Broader Market

33:20 - He Said, She Said

The Unhealthy Marriage Between Retail Investors & Private Credit with Peter Boockvar Feb 27, 2026

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Dan Nathan hosts Peter Boockvar to discuss the rapid growth of private credit, arguing it has replaced bank lending but now faces rising defaults, potential liquidity mismatches as retail capital enters evergreen funds, and limited stress-testing in a downturn; they cite pressure in leveraged loans, gating/redemptions, and examples like Blue Owl financing tied to CoreWeave’s asset-heavy model and customer concentration. They connect credit stress to equity risk via the capital structure and watchpoints like the LSTA leveraged loan index, high yield spreads, and HYG. Boockvar outlines a leadership shift away from hyperscalers toward equal-weight and “boring” sectors like energy and staples, while warning a deeper tech decline could still pull markets down. They cover oil’s inflation implications, a challenging labor market, cautious consumers per Walmart/Home Depot/Lowe’s, bullish long-term gold/silver dynamics, stronger international performance, and Japan’s rising long-end yields affecting carry trades and global flows.

Checkout Peter's SubStack: https://boockreport.com/
Follow Peter on X: https://x.com/pboockvar?lang=en

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The Circular AI Money Machine Explained with Dan Greenhaus & Vincent Daniel Feb 25, 2026

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Broadcast live from iConnections Global Alts in South Beach, Guy Adami and Dan Nathan are joined by Dan Greenhaus of Solus Alternative Asset Management and later Vincent Daniel to discuss a sharp, risk-off market move tied to the increasingly financialized AI buildout. They review weakness across private credit and alternative lenders after reports of difficulty placing debt to fund CoreWeave’s data center, spilling over into names like Blue Owl and into large alternative managers, banks, and high-profile stocks like IBM, which suffers its worst day in decades. The group debates how a viral AI “thought experiment” amplified uncertainty about near-term industry disruption, the circular quid-pro-quo dynamics of AI financing and chip demand, and whether market valuations offer any cushion if the AI narrative falters. With Nvidia reporting the next day, they focus on expectations for growth and margins, the risk that competition could compress gross margins and re-rate the stock, and the broader question of whether AI success could drive major white-collar job losses, “ghost GDP,” and policy responses. The conversation closes with Vinnie describing investor “what if” fears around AI’s impact on employment and fee-based industries.

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The 'Blue Owl' In The Private Credit Coal Mine Feb 23, 2026

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami are joined by Jen Saarbach and Kristen Kelly of The Wall Street Skinny to discuss two major developing market stories ahead of meeting in Miami for the iConnections Global Alts conference. The first topic is stress in private credit, centered on Blue Owl’s retail-focused semi-liquid vehicle (Blue Owl Capital Corp II) facing heavy redemptions and gating, highlighting the liquidity mismatch between retail redemption needs and long-dated loan assets. They contrast the gated evergreen structure with Blue Owl’s publicly traded BDC that was trading roughly 20% below NAV, discuss Blue Owl’s reported loan sales near NAV, and explore why the issue is pressuring related stocks like Blue Owl and Blackstone despite an S&P 500 that appears indifferent. The group connects the private credit conversation to how AI/data center buildouts are financed, including references to Meta-related structures and concerns about CoreWeave’s ability to raise capital for data center obligations, and notes that credit markets often reprice quickly only after complacency breaks. The second topic is prediction markets, focusing on Kalshi and its partnership with Tradeweb to publish analytics and potentially enable institutional trading of binary outcomes on events like Fed decisions and macro data, raising questions about democratized access, liquidity constraints, regulatory gaps, spoofing, and the role of insider information, along with implications for politics and whether more information is always better.

Show Notes

1 big thing: Trump's huge tariff loss (Axios)
Blue Owl permanently halts redemptions at private credit fund aimed at retail investors (FT)
Wall Street Bond-Trading Hub Tradeweb Strikes Deal With Kalshi (Bloomberg)
Exclusive: Supreme Court tariff ruling makes over $175 billion in US revenue subject to refunds, Penn-Wharton estimates (Reuters)

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The De-Dollarization Myth with Michael Kao Feb 20, 2026

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Guy Adami interviews Michael Kao (@UrbanKaoboy), discussing the historic moves in gold and silver, the debate over fiat debasement versus speculative positioning, and why charts showing central bank gold eclipsing Treasury holdings can be misleading because much of the change is price appreciation rather than new buying. Kao argues true de-dollarization is unlikely due to the lack of a rival fiat ecosystem with comparable liquidity and deep bond markets, and says a shift from Treasuries to gold as a reserve anchor would imply economic austerity and slower global GDP growth. They explore how geopolitics (including post-Ukraine reserve seizure fears) and Trump-related tariff and deficit narratives have fueled gold, while Kao outlines a contrarian view that Trump 2.0 policies plus AI could be deflationary and potentially restore productivity-driven disinflationary growth similar to the late 1990s; he also critiques CBO debt projections for assuming low productivity growth. The conversation covers AI’s disruptive impact on industry moats and equity multiple compression versus immediate default risk, touches briefly on Japan’s bond market and the yen carry trade, and examines the “sanctity” of large AI CapEx plans and whether AI expands total addressable markets or mainly drives cost cutting.

Kao highlights his thesis from his piece on AI electrification: U.S. electricity demand may accelerate sharply after decades of flat growth, creating an energy bottleneck that increases reliance on natural gas (given limits to coal and nuclear), amplified by data center buildouts and LNG exports. He explains his preference for natural gas mineral strategies that distribute cash flow over trading commodities or owning E&P equities due to capital allocation risks, and notes recent oil spikes have often faded since 2022.

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