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Ever wonder what it’s like to go on your first sober date? Or survive a wedding without liquid courage? How about dancing stone-cold sober or dealing with your first breakup without wine?

If so, you’re in luck because you can join bestselling authors and longtime sober friends Lisa Smith and Anna David as they talk to guests—and each other—about addiction and recovery, including all the “firsts” that come with sober living. From awkward to amazing, cringe-worthy to surprisingly poignant, they’re discussing what it’s like to experience life without substances.

Lisa is the author of the award-winning memoir Girl Walks Out of a Bar, while Anna wrote Party Girl, a comic novel about addiction and recovery in the vein of Rachel’s Holiday and Postcards From the Edge. Together, they explore the real-life moments behind the kinds of stories that shape how people understand recovery.

Whether you’re newly sober, sober-curious or just want to hear some honest stories about recovery, Recovery Rocks is here for all of it.

Because as it turns out, when you can remember everything that happened, life gets a lot more interesting.

New episodes weekly. Real stories, real recovery, real talk.

Latest Episodes:

Episode 227: Episode 227: Music in Recovery with Emmy Jo Jun 06, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk to Emmy Jo, an indie-soul pop musician based in New York City. Emmy Jo's first viral moment came with her Spotify single "yellow year". Her music, self-dubbed "sad girl bangers," creates a space where melancholy meets infectious beats, inviting listeners to share in the collective human experience. They get into mental health, her influences, and going viral on Tik Tok.

Music Minute features Emmy Jo’s M.A.D.I., Sara Bareilles, Adele, and Amy Winehouse.

Check out Emmy Jo’s website

Find her Linktree here

Follow Emmy Jo on Instagram

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 226: Episode 226: Catching Up! May 30, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on lately. Tawny has been settling into post-book tour and post-(parentheses) launch life and taking time to go to cultural events and see live music. Lisa spent time in Nashville to speak at a benefit for the Women’s Center at Cumberland Heights, a nonprofit addiction treatment center. They also talk about the importance of taking time to rest, play, and catch glimmers of peace.

Music Minute features David Bowie.

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here.

Sign up for Tawny’s Nonfiction Book Proposal Boot Camp here.

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 225: Episode 225: Loneliness and Food Cravings May 23, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk about a recent article in The Washington Post, "Why Loneliness is Associated with Food Cravings in Some Women." It reports on a new study that suggests that alterations in the lonely brain may be why some women are more susceptible to unhealthy food choices. And why they often crave sweet, calorie-rich foods, in particular. They also talk about the article’s note that it’s the quality, not quantity of relationships that can keep loneliness at bay.

Music Minute features Def Leppard and Eric Carmen.

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here.

Sign up for Tawny’s Nonfiction Book Proposal Boot Camp here.

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 224: Episode 224: Tawny’s Changing Relationship with Substances May 16, 2024

Show notes

Tawny gives Lisa an update on her changing relationship with substances, which she wrote about in her recent newsletter. They talk about her discovery of plant medicine and its benefits for her. They also talk harm reduction and stigma. For both Tawny and Lisa, it all comes down to the fact that one day at a time is the only approach that actually works – how we show up today and how we react to today are the only things we can control.

Music Minute features Sheryl Crow, David Bowie and INXS.

Check out GRASS: Green Recovery Support Group.

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here.

Sign up for Tawny’s Nonfiction Book Proposal Boot Camp here.

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 223: Episode 223: People Pleasing is Over May 09, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk about Tawny’s recent Beyond Liquid Courage newsletter, "People Pleasing is Over." She learned through years of recovery and therapy that her people-pleasing is tied to her codependency. Lisa learned in early recovery that if she didn’t stop always trying to please others, she wasn’t going to be able to stay sober. People pleasing is more nuanced than just doing something for a loved one because you want to. It’s about doing something for someone else because you fear disappointing them at the risk of your own mental and physical health. Oh, an apparently Anne Hathaway’s done with people pleasing, too!

Music Minute features Ricky Nelson and Jay-Z with Linkin Park.

Check out the Anne Hathaway's interview with The New York Times.

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here.

Sign up for Tawny’s Nonfiction Book Proposal Boot Camp here.

Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 222: Episode 222: Declining the Invitation May 02, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk about being discerning with what we add to our plates and what we say “no” to. Our tendency to be “people pleasers” means we end up saying yes to things we don’t want or need to do to avoid disappointing others. But oftentimes, that concern can be misplaced or exaggerated. We can also tweak the way we accept invitations if they would otherwise take too much out of us (hint, hint: boundaries!). The bottom line is that managing our energy budgets is a priority for our mental health.

Music Minute features Alanis Morisette and the Rolling Stones

Check out Tarot for the Wild Soul and Lindsay Mack’s podcast

Kroll Show: Too Much Tuna

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 221: Episode 221: Gambling Addiction Apr 25, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk to Steve Rose, an addiction counselor specializing in gambling addiction, with a Ph.D in sociology. Tune in for a fascinating conversation about how gambling addiction is on the rise. This trend is closely linked to broader addictive behaviors such as smartphone and social media usage, which draw on many of the same psychological mechanisms. They talk about what gambling addiction is, how to spot it in yourself or someone else, what recovery looks like, and more.

Music Minute features The Growlers hip hop and lofi hip hop.

Find Steve on his website and his podcast, Pros & Concepts

Check out The Age of Addiction by David Courtwright

Find support at Gamblers Anonymous, Internet Addictions Anonymous, and Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 220: Episode 220: Poetry for Recovery Apr 18, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk to Camille St Martin, an author and recovery advocate who recently released Spilled, her book of poetry inspired by her recovery journey. Like so many of us, she felt alone in her drinking spiral and found relief and catharsis in writing. Poetry was a passion she had as a teen and sobriety brought her the chance to reconnect with it.

Music Minute features Ani DiFranco.

Purchase Spilled here

Join Camille's newsletter for a chance to win a free signed copy here

Follow Camille on Instagram

Follow Camille on Tik Tok

Check out the Facebook Self-Publishing Support Group

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 219: Episode 219: Boisson, Book Proposals, and Bestie Catch-Up Apr 11, 2024

Show notes

Tawny talks about what’s going on with Dry Humping six months out and how she’s promoting her new drink, (parentheses). She’s also teaching a class on writing a nonfiction book proposal on May 22nd. They also talk about Lisa’s 20th SoBerthday and how indie non-alcoholic bottle shops are the heartbeat of the burgeoning non-alcoholic drink industry.

Music Minute features Khruangbin and Beyonce.

Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here!

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Episode 218: Episode 218: Recovery Rock Stars: Art Alexakis of Everclear Apr 04, 2024

Show notes

Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done with drugs and alcohol, to ask for help, and to live in humility and gratitude.

Music Minute features Everclear and The Beatles

Check out all things Everclear

Find Art on Instagram

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

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