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Episode 266: Sober Swifties Support Group featuring Julianne Griffin from Swift Steps Feb 28, 2025

Calling all Swifties! Tawny and Lisa talk to Julianne Griffin, the founder of Swift Steps, a sober community for Taylor Swift fans, with music as a vital part of recovery. The inclusive group supports Swifties facing challenges from substance use disorder to codependency, heartbreak, toxic familial relationships, gambling, and other compulsive disorders. There are meetings and journaling workbooks that blend Taylor’s music with recovery-focused prompts. Swift Steps also holds monthly themed craft nights, milestone bracelet (instead of traditional coins) projects, and even virtual fitness classes designed to support both mental and physical health, all with an emphasis on T. Swift lyrics and intersectionality.

Music Minute features Taylor Swift, of course!

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Episode 264: Cannabis, Sobriety, and Women with How to Do the Pot’s Ellen Scanlon Feb 21, 2025

Tawny and Lisa talk to Ellen Scanlon, the host of “How to Do the Pot,” a podcast about cannabis for women. This podcast was a huge resource to Tawny when she began implementing cannabis into her recovery program. She fangirled a bit while interviewing Ellen! They discuss what to consider when incorporating cannabis as a medical alternative to prescription drugs. They also talk about the difference between CBD and THC, cannabis for anxiety and endometriosis, and share research on the psychological and physical effects of cannabis.

Music Minute features Beyonce and West Coast jazz

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Episode 265: Recovery Nonprofits in Crisis with MAGA 2.0 Feb 14, 2025

The new administration is cutting off financial support for nonprofit organizations that support diverse communities, including the LGBTQA+ population, who struggle with higher rates of addiction than the general population. Banning the language of gender and equality has put people’s lives and sobriety in danger. Tawny and Lisa discuss the need to support nonprofit organizations that serve at-risk populations. Consider donating, volunteering, speaking up, and even buying coffee for a cause!

Music Minute features Tawny and Fred Schneider of the B-52s perform “Outer Space”

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Read up:

Trump Shuts Down White House Spanish Language Page and Social Media

Journalist Gabrielle Kassel’s Video on "Forbidden Words"

LGBTQ+ Community and Addiction

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Episode 263: WTF is Intermittent Sobriety?!? Let’s Discuss. Feb 07, 2025

Tawny and Lisa discuss a recent essay in The Guardian titled I tried ‘intermittent sobriety’. Here’s what I learned jumping on and off the wagon by Arwa Mahdawi. They appreciate the author’s candid approach to harm reduction for the sake of self-discovery. Intermittent sobriety is similar to sober curiosity in that they both encourage thoughtful consideration in reevaluating one’s relationship with alcohol without going fully sober. These booze-breaks can be regular, planned periods of sobriety or spontaneous decisions. Changing rituals, “playing the tape forward,” and spicy food-induced dopamine (!) are all suggested ways to help.

Music Minute features Audioslave, Counting Crows and The Who

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Episode 262: Staying Sober in a MAGA World Jan 31, 2025

Tawny and Lisa share how they feel about the new presidential administration. They’re trying to balance the 24-hour news cycle, active resistance, and staying sober while continuing to find glimmers of joy. Feeling anger? Go for a run or hit a punching bag. Volunteer at a local organization or online. Exhausted? Nap. Play. Binge-watch your comfort show. As always, take care of yourself!

Music Minute features Democracy in Retrograde (audiobook) and The Sobriety Deck Playlist.

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Episode 261: NA Drinks, Journalism's Evolution, and Redefining "Oldster" with Sari Botton Jan 24, 2025

Tawny and Lisa chat with best-selling author, Sari Botton. Sari’s memoir, "And You May Find Yourself: Confessions of a Gen-X Weirdo," is about finding yourself later in life. They discuss Sari’s recent newsletter about how bars and restaurants should embrace quality NA choices. Tawny and Sari also address the reality of pitches being rejected by traditional media outlets and why they bring those rejected stories to their newsletters. Sari publishes Sober Oldster, Oldster Magazine, Memoir Land, and Adventures in Journalism on Substack.

Music Minute features Free to Be You and Me and Joni Mitchell

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Episode 260: How to Cry, and the Link Between Anger & Sadness Jan 17, 2025

Tawny and Lisa talk about crying – why humans do it, how it works physically, and what it can mean emotionally. As we grow older, our patterns and triggers for crying evolve. Tawny is just learning to cry and Lisa is not much of a crier. They talk about situations when feel like they “should” cry, but it just doesn’t happen. And Tawny talks about the relationship between sadness to anger and how to work with it.

Music Minute features System of a Down, Rage Against the Machine, Limp Bizkit, Bob Marley, and Prince.

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Episode 259: “Men Have Eating Disorders, Too,” with Brian Cuban Jan 10, 2025

Tawny and Lisa talk with Brian Cuban, a lawyer, writer and recovery advocate. He’s the author of four books, both memoir and fiction. His latest is The Body Brokers, a crime thriller that digs deep into the opioid epidemic. Brian is a groundbreaker in discussing eating disorders among professional men. In fact, 35% of people who struggle with eating disorders are men. They also talk about the co-occurrence of eating disorders and other addictive behavior.

Music Minute features Billy Joel.

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Episode 258: Boundaries, Gray-Area Drinking, and Core Values with Lindsay Sutherland Boal Jan 03, 2025

Tawny and Lisa talk with Lindsay Sutherland Boal, a coach, advocate, and the founder of both The Uncovery App and She Walks Canada, which support women overcoming problematic relationships with alcohol. They chat about gray-area drinking and the concept of “rock enough,” the acknowledgement that you don’t need a “rock bottom” crisis to quit drinking. The Uncovery App is dedicated to the pursuit of alcohol-free living through self-investigation and support. She Walks Canada organizes walks around the world to support recovery and foster community.

Music Minute features Lindsay’s opera career and tropical lounge music.

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On Instagram: @theuncoveryapp and @shewalkscanada

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Episode 257: Episode 252: Dry January Do’s and Don’ts Dec 27, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about the evolution of Dry January, including some Do’s and Don’ts. DO give yourself grace, journal about your experiences, find an accountability buddy and/or seek outside support, and stock your fridge for success with NA beverages. DON’T compare your relationship with alcohol to someone else’s, don’t expect to do Dry January “perfectly,” don’t try to take on too many other personal goals at the same time, and don’t overthink it.

Music Minute features The Sobriety Deck Spotify playlist!

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Episode 251: Episode 251: Slowing Down in the Season Dec 20, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about how the change of seasons, including Daylight Savings Time, effects them physically and emotionally. Seasonal Affective Disorder is real and they make space for it. But it also requires an acknowledgement that slowing down means giving themselves permission to be not as productive as usual.

Music Minute features Hanson, Limp Bizkit, The Four Seasons and Garbage.

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Episode 256: Episode 250: 250th Episode Catch Up Dec 13, 2024

Tawny and Lisa celebrate 250 episodes with a light convo about what they’re reading, watching, and listening to. Tawny’s been going to live performances in NYC, including Julio Torres and LCD Soundsystem. She’s following Taylor Lorenz’s Substack and Hard Fork for tech news.

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Listen to podcasts: La Culturistas, SmartLess, and Armchair Expert

On TV: Ru Paul’s Drag Race, Shrinking, Fanatical: The Catfishing of Tegan and Sara, and Only Murders in the Building

Music: The Dare, Charlie XCX and Chappelle Roan

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Episode 255: Episode 249: Algorithms, AI, and Addiction to Social Media Dec 06, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about boundaries with social media, taking breaks from it, and being mindful with it. Tawny is quiet-quitting social media and Lisa is spending five minutes a day on it. Addiction to social media is real thing. They talk about the dopamine effects of social media and how that has turned toxic with algorithms and disinformation. Also, consider taking a social media inventory – what are the pros and cons? What are the platforms you most enjoy? Choose those and engage in a way that makes you feel good.

Music Minute features vinyl records and deep dive playlists.

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Episode 254: Episode 248: Our Card Deck Launches on Tuesday! Nov 29, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about THE SOBRIETY DECK, out December 3! The deck is 50 cards, broken into five sections: Sobriety Tool Kit, Knowing Ourselves, Relationships, Showing Up, and Experiencing Joy. They dig into cards on Boundaries, Understanding Your Triggers, SoBerthday, and Give Yourself Grace. The deck is full of tips and tools based on the conversations on the podcast. It’s a choose-your-own-adventure tool for support in any way you find helpful!

Music Minute features Jeff Buckley and Road Recovery.

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Episode 253: Episode 247: The Holiday Episode: How to Engage With Family Post-Election Nov 22, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about the holiday season and how to get through it with your sanity and sobriety. Tawny shares talking points if you want to challenge family members who are aligning themselves with the *wrong* side of history. They also share tips for self-preservation if you opt out of political tension at the dinner table. Set the terms on which you’re willing to engage and stick to them. Feel free to take a pass on family and friends to protect your recovery. As always, go gently with yourself.

Music Minute features Bruce Springsteen, Lindsey Buckingham, Wham!, Mariah Carey, Madonna, and Hanson.

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Episode 252: Episode 246: Election Reaction: How to Stay Sober and (Relatively) Sane Nov 15, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about the U.S. election and its devastating implications. They discuss what happened, what it means, and how we can organize around going forward. There’s anger and fear, but also determination to be part of the fight for democracy. Most of all, to stay or get sober, take care of yourself however that means – exercise, rest, tuning out of social media, and diving deep into community.

Music Minute features Rage Against the Machine, 4 Non Blondes, Limp Bizkit, and System of a Down.

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Episode 250: Episode 245: Reframing Our Drinking Eras Nov 08, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about how they look back on their drinking days now. There’s compassion for their old selves, gratitude for living a booze-free life, and an appreciation that in all the drama and mess, there are happy memories to look back on. Not to mention, that they wouldn’t have the lives they have today without living through all the experiences they had before.

Music Minute features Texas country music and Oasis.

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Episode 249: Episode 244: Dry Humping Turns One! Nov 01, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about what having Tawny’s book out in the world for a full year has brought. They catch up what’s followed on from the book’s publication, including THE SOBRIETY DECK. Things have changed, some for the good, with sober dating apps and sober mixers popping up. But some of the big sober dating challenges remain. Tawny also shares about reader reactions.

Music Minute features the Stranger Things score and The Beatles.

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Episode 248: Episode 243: How to Find a Therapist with Satya Doyle Byock Oct 25, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Satya Doyle Byock, LPC, about her book, QUARTERLIFE: The Search for Self in Early Adulthood. Satya is a practicing Jungian psychotherapist in Portland and the director of The Salome Institute of Jungian Studies, where she regularly teaches online seminars. They talk about the changes that happen in early adulthood, as well as how find a therapist despite all of the challenges, including insurance.

Music Minute features Bill Evans, Maggie Rogers, and Beyonce

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Episode 247: Episode 242: Dry Month 101 with Hilary Sheinbaum Oct 18, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Hilary Sheinbaum about her new workbook, GOING DRY: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More.The workbook takes readers through all phases of a sober or sober-curious journey, ranging from assessing your relationship with drinking to setting realistic expectations to discovering new experiences that bring you joy without booze.

Music Minute features Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor Swift, and Flow State on Substack

Get GOING DRY: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More

Get The Dry Challenge: How to Lose the Booze for Dry January, Sober October, and Any Other Alcohol-Free Month

Check out Hilary’s TED Talk, Dry Dating: Why and How

Check out Hilary’s GoingDry.co event series.

Find Hilary on IG: @hilarywritesny and @goingdry.co

More on socials: #goingdrybook

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Episode 246: Episode 241: Internet and Technology Addiction Oct 11, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about the specific challenges that addiction to the internet and phones bring. We need them for our work and personal lives. But they can also take over, causing problems and stress through compulsive scrolling, checking social media, and diving down rabbit holes. They talk about Internet and Technology Addicts Anonymous and the broad range of habits and behaviors it helps address.

Music Minute features Blondie and Beyonce/Lady Gaga

Check out Tawny’s recent Substack article, Are you addicted to your phone?

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Episode 245: Episode 240: Recovery and Exercise Oct 04, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Crystal Hill, President and CEO of Twin Cities Wellness Center and Recovery Gym, an intensive outpatient treatment program that includes a physical fitness component. They discuss the benefits of exercise in co-occurring disorder treatment, the importance of finding the right community, and Moral Reconation Therapy.

Music Minute features Iggy Azalea and Liquid Stranger.

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Episode 244: Episode 239: A Healthy NA Drinking Culture Sep 27, 2024

Tawny and Lisa chat with Betsy Frost, the CEO of Hoplark, a non-alcoholic beverage brand brewing hop teas and waters with layered flavors. They talk about the evolving NA drink scene and innovations. The drinks aren’t just for sober folks, but for anyone focused on their health and wellness. The also talk about mentorship for women in business, fostering leadership and community.

Music Minute features the Minnesota Orchestra and Nathaniel Rateliff.

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Episode 243: Episode 238: “Drunk on Film” with Ted Mandell Sep 20, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Ted Mandell, Associate Teaching Professor at the University of Notre Dame’s Department of Film, Television, and Theatre. Tawny has been a guest speaker for Ted’s class, “Drunk on Film: The Psychology of Storytelling with Alcohol and its Effects on Alcohol Consumption.” They talk about the reasons kids drink more when they get to college, the persistence of the excessive drinking culture, and ways to reframe how students think about alcohol.

Music Minute features a one-week course Ted taught with Rock n Roll Hall of Fame inductee Todd Rundgren.

Check out the PBS Newshour feature about “Drunk on Film.”

Check out the Drunk on Film website

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Episode 242: Episode 237: Sober October is Coming! Sep 13, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about dry months and dry challenges. For folks considering getting sober, they’re a great way to take an intentional look at your drinking. They share ideas to set yourself up for success: grab an accountability buddy, stock your fridge with yummy NA drinks, and journal to reflect. But most of all, be gentle with yourself!

Music Minute features Monster Mash, Macy Gray, Pink, Natalie Merchant, and Taylor Swift.

Check out author Hilary Sheinbaum’s Going Dry and The Dry Challenge

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Episode 241: Episode 236: Catching Up! Sep 06, 2024

Tawny and Lisa catch up at the end of summer on all that’s gone on and what they’re up to. They talk about Tawny’s honeymoon and the importance of taking a real break to recharge and reflect. Lisa talks about how if she was ever to believe Mercury Retrograde was a real thing, August would be the clincher. They also talk books, TV, and movies.

Read The Hunter, The Safekeep, All Fours and Filter World: How Algorithms Flatten Culture.

TV/Movies: Julio Torres in Problemista and Fantasmas, and Love Off the Grid.

Music Minute features the Tom Petty Wildflowers channel and the Bulwark pod songs playlist.

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Episode 240: Episode 235: The Power of Hope Aug 30, 2024

Tawny and Lisa chat about how finding hope in a period of stress and anxiety transforms their mental states. And acting on that hope reminds them that they do have power to try to change things. Since VP Kamala Harris became the Democratic Party’s candidate for the presidency, they both feel like a weight has been lifted physically and their mental health has improved significantly. It’s time to fight for our future!

Music Minute features Charli XCX, Lil Jon, and Tupac.

Find resources for registering, volunteering and more at Vote Save America.

Volunteer to write letters with VoteForward.

Check out Judd Legum’s Popular Information Substack.

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Episode 239: (Rebroadcast) Episode 168: Special Guest Laura Cathcart Robbins Aug 23, 2024

Hey fam! We’re on a summer break, but will be back soon. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this encore episode!
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Laura Cathcart Robbins about her must-read new #quitlit memoir, “Stash, My Life in Hiding.” After concealing her addiction from everyone in her life, she sought recovery while facing divorce, the possibility of a grueling custody battle, and internalized racism. They talk about the power of trusting their intuition, the issues around divorce, and putting on a façade for the world. Laura also shares about “shide,” the painful mix of shame and Pride.

Laura also is the host of the popular podcast, “The Only One In The Room,” and her recent articles in Huffpo and The Temper on the subjects of race, recovery, and divorce have garnered her worldwide acclaim.

Music Minute features Amy Winehouse, Taylor Swift, Doja Cat, and The Weekend.

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Episode 238: (Rebroadcast) Episode 185: Special Guest Ann Dowsett Johnston Aug 16, 2024

Hey fam! We’re on a summer break, but will be back soon. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this encore episode!
Tawny and Lisa talk to (and fangirl!) Ann Dowsett Johnston, the bestselling author of DRINK: THE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WOMEN AND ALCOHOL, the book that broke the story on the pinking of the alcohol market and the closing of the risky drinking gender gap. Now a psychotherapist, Ann also runs her popular memoir-writing course called Writing Your Recovery, open to women. They talk about the changes in the recovery community over the last 10 years and the power of writing our truth.

To sign up for Ann’s October workshop, click here or here.

Music Minute features Van Morrison.

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Episode 237: (Rebroadcast) Episode 212: Gray Area Drinking with Jolene Park Aug 09, 2024

Hey fam! We’re on a summer break, but will be back soon. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this encore episode!
Tawny and Lisa talk to Jolene Park, founder of Healthy Discoveries. Jolene is a functional nutritionist and a pioneer in the area of “gray area drinking,” the kind where there’s no rock bottom, but where one drinks to manage anxiety and later regrets how often or how much they drink. They talk about Jolene’s recent Substack piece on the online sober community and how it’s changed over time, including the problems with over commercialization and misrepresentations.

Music Minute features Dolly Parton, Miley Cyrus and Bon Jovi

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Gray Area Drinking website

Gray Area Drinking coach training for coaches

Substack

30 day sober choice program

Sober AF bundle

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Episode 236: (Rebroadcast) Episode 164: Special Guest Zach Braff Aug 02, 2024

Hey fam! We’re on a summer break, but will be back soon. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this encore episode!
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Tawny and Lisa interviewed actor, writer, and director Zach Braff! A Good Person, his latest film, is a gripping story of addiction, grief, and moving on. It stars Florence Pugh, Morgan Freeman, and Molly Shannon. The three of them discuss writing about addiction and grief, sober curiosity, how hobbies can help folks in recovery, and more.
Music Minute features the role of music in Zach’s work. (We recommend the iconic soundtrack to his 2004 movie, Garden State!)
 
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Episode 235: Episode 234: The New Whole30 with Melissa Urban Jul 26, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Melissa Urban, the co-founder and CEO of Whole30 and an authority on helping people create lifelong healthy habits. She is a seven-time New York Times best-selling author, and her books have sold millions of copies in 20 languages. She lives in Salt Lake City, Utah, with her husband, son, and a poodle named Henry. Melissa is also in long-term recovery and the author of one of Recovery Rocks’ favorite books, The Book of Boundaries.

Music Minute features experiences and hiking to Chet Baker and Taylor Swift.

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Episode 234: Episode 233: Drink Spiking Prevention with Shirah Benarde Jul 19, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Shirah Benarde, CEO and Co-Founder of NightCap, a line of multi-purpose drink spiking prevention products. When she was just 16-years old, the idea for NightCap came to Shirah in a dream after hearing about the horrors of drink spiking from friends who experienced it. By 2021, NightCap was featured on ABC’s Shark Tank series, striking one of the fastest deals in the history of the show.

Music Minute features jazz and The Police.

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Episode 232: BONUS: The Sobriety Deck Pre-Launch! Jul 16, 2024

Watch the special video convo here! Our card deck is available for pre-order! We’re so excited! The deck comprises 50 cards, with a glossary and additional resources, that offers guidance and inspiration for anyone rethinking their relationship with alcohol.

We’ve loaded it with practical tools and inspirational prompts to help you conquer the challenges and embrace the joys of a booze-free life. The deck contains countless tips and tricks for getting through early sobriety, finding your sober community, navigating triggering environments, dating, and making space to celebrate all the milestones you reach along your journey.
You can use the deck in any way you like – pull a card as a daily practice, consult one before a night out with friends, respond to the prompts in your journal, or keep the deck handy for support on the go. Whether you’re participating in Dry January or celebrating 20 years of being alcohol-free, this deck is a fun, nonjudgmental resource for living your absolute best sober life.

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Episode 233: Episode 232: Modern Friendship with Anna Goldfarb Jul 12, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Anna Goldfarb a journalist, author and speaker. Called “The New York Times’ friendship correspondent”, Anna’s work explores the nuances of friendships, relationships, and pop psychology. They talk about making friends, keeping friends, and approaching friendship with empathy. Her new book, Modern Friendship: How to Nurture Our Most Valued Connections, is available everywhere.

Music Minute features Bossa Nova, Queen, and the Rembrandts.

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Episode 231: Episode 231: Outrage Overload and Staying Sober Jul 05, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about how the 24/7 news cycle, algorithmically designed to spark extreme reactions, can make us feel overwhelmed and sometimes hopeless. They go back to their sobriety tool kits to not only keep them sober, but to reset their thinking. This includes remembering where they are in the moment, reminding themselves of what they can and can’t control, connecting locally, doing service for others, and escaping into movies and books.

Music Minute features System of a Down.

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Episode 230: Episode 230: Addiction is a Family Disease Jun 28, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about addiction as a family disease. Whether it’s with your birth family or your chosen family (or both!), healing individually and as unit can break cycles of addiction and unhealthy behaviors. They both talk about their experiences with their families and how it’s an imperfect journey that never really ends.

Music Minute features Sister Sledge, Everclear, The Killers and Billie Eilish.

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Tawny recommends these books on boundaries and codependency: The Origins of You, Set Boundaries, Find Peace, The Book of Boundaries

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Episode 229: Episode 229: TikTok, Self-Diagnosing Disorders, and Mental Health in Schools Jun 21, 2024

A recent article in The New York Times discussed two recent studies that cast doubt on whether large-scale mental health interventions are making young people better. But most specialists in adolescent mental health still agree that lack of access to treatment is the biggest problem young people face, along with the damage social media can do. Tawny and Lisa discuss all this with therapist Amanda White, LPC and author of Not Drinking Tonight: A Guide to Creating a Sober Life You Love.

Music Minute features Taylor Swift.

Check out Amanda’s website, find her on Instagram and sign up for her Fence Sitter Substack.

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Episode 228: Episode 228: Trauma Recovery Through Art Jun 14, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with composer Melissa Dunphy, an award-winning composer who specializes in vocal, political, and theatric music. Her work includes, LISTEN (2019), two choral movements set to testimony by Anita Hill in 1991 and Christine Blasey Ford in 2018. They talk about creating art as a tool for healing trauma and understanding ourselves. Creating art is for everyone, whether you consider yourself an artist or not.

Music Minute features classical music, opera, and a lot of Nine Inch Nails.

Check out Melissa’s website and her podcast, The Boghouse.

Check out this easy-to-read book about classical music.

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Episode 227: Episode 227: Music in Recovery with Emmy Jo Jun 07, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Emmy Jo, an indie-soul pop musician based in New York City. Emmy Jo's first viral moment came with her Spotify single "yellow year". Her music, self-dubbed "sad girl bangers," creates a space where melancholy meets infectious beats, inviting listeners to share in the collective human experience. They get into mental health, her influences, and going viral on Tik Tok.

Music Minute features Emmy Jo’s M.A.D.I., Sara Bareilles, Adele, and Amy Winehouse.

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Episode 226: Episode 226: Catching Up! May 31, 2024

Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on lately. Tawny has been settling into post-book tour and post-(parentheses) launch life and taking time to go to cultural events and see live music. Lisa spent time in Nashville to speak at a benefit for the Women’s Center at Cumberland Heights, a nonprofit addiction treatment center. They also talk about the importance of taking time to rest, play, and catch glimmers of peace.

Music Minute features David Bowie.

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Episode 225: Episode 225: Loneliness and Food Cravings May 24, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about a recent article in The Washington Post, "Why Loneliness is Associated with Food Cravings in Some Women." It reports on a new study that suggests that alterations in the lonely brain may be why some women are more susceptible to unhealthy food choices. And why they often crave sweet, calorie-rich foods, in particular. They also talk about the article’s note that it’s the quality, not quantity of relationships that can keep loneliness at bay.

Music Minute features Def Leppard and Eric Carmen.

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Episode 224: Episode 224: Tawny’s Changing Relationship with Substances May 17, 2024

Tawny gives Lisa an update on her changing relationship with substances, which she wrote about in her recent newsletter. They talk about her discovery of plant medicine and its benefits for her. They also talk harm reduction and stigma. For both Tawny and Lisa, it all comes down to the fact that one day at a time is the only approach that actually works – how we show up today and how we react to today are the only things we can control.

Music Minute features Sheryl Crow, David Bowie and INXS.

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Episode 223: Episode 223: People Pleasing is Over May 10, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about Tawny’s recent Beyond Liquid Courage newsletter, "People Pleasing is Over." She learned through years of recovery and therapy that her people-pleasing is tied to her codependency. Lisa learned in early recovery that if she didn’t stop always trying to please others, she wasn’t going to be able to stay sober. People pleasing is more nuanced than just doing something for a loved one because you want to. It’s about doing something for someone else because you fear disappointing them at the risk of your own mental and physical health. Oh, an apparently Anne Hathaway’s done with people pleasing, too!

Music Minute features Ricky Nelson and Jay-Z with Linkin Park.

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Episode 222: Episode 222: Declining the Invitation May 03, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about being discerning with what we add to our plates and what we say “no” to. Our tendency to be “people pleasers” means we end up saying yes to things we don’t want or need to do to avoid disappointing others. But oftentimes, that concern can be misplaced or exaggerated. We can also tweak the way we accept invitations if they would otherwise take too much out of us (hint, hint: boundaries!). The bottom line is that managing our energy budgets is a priority for our mental health.

Music Minute features Alanis Morisette and the Rolling Stones

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Episode 221: Episode 221: Gambling Addiction Apr 26, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Steve Rose, an addiction counselor specializing in gambling addiction, with a Ph.D in sociology. Tune in for a fascinating conversation about how gambling addiction is on the rise. This trend is closely linked to broader addictive behaviors such as smartphone and social media usage, which draw on many of the same psychological mechanisms. They talk about what gambling addiction is, how to spot it in yourself or someone else, what recovery looks like, and more.

Music Minute features The Growlers hip hop and lofi hip hop.

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Check out The Age of Addiction by David Courtwright

Find support at Gamblers Anonymous, Internet Addictions Anonymous, and Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous

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Episode 220: Episode 220: Poetry for Recovery Apr 19, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Camille St Martin, an author and recovery advocate who recently released Spilled, her book of poetry inspired by her recovery journey. Like so many of us, she felt alone in her drinking spiral and found relief and catharsis in writing. Poetry was a passion she had as a teen and sobriety brought her the chance to reconnect with it.

Music Minute features Ani DiFranco.

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Episode 219: Episode 219: Boisson, Book Proposals, and Bestie Catch-Up Apr 12, 2024

Tawny talks about what’s going on with Dry Humping six months out and how she’s promoting her new drink, (parentheses). She’s also teaching a class on writing a nonfiction book proposal on May 22nd. They also talk about Lisa’s 20th SoBerthday and how indie non-alcoholic bottle shops are the heartbeat of the burgeoning non-alcoholic drink industry.

Music Minute features Khruangbin and Beyonce.

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Episode 218: Episode 218: Recovery Rock Stars: Art Alexakis of Everclear Apr 05, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done with drugs and alcohol, to ask for help, and to live in humility and gratitude.

Music Minute features Everclear and The Beatles

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Episode 217: Episode 217: Glimmers: The Opposite of Triggers Mar 29, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about “glimmers,” mini-moments of calm and even joy. Glimmers are the opposite of triggers. They create a subtle, but meaningful mood shift. Think of how you feel when you pet a dog or hear a song you love. They also talk about “golden shadows,” which, similar to glimmers, are small bright spots that break through when doing difficult shadow work.

Music Minute features Bleachers, Ashlee Simpson, and Fleetwood Mac

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Episode 216: Episode 216: How to Set Up Your Home Up for Recovery Mar 22, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about creating a home that supports your recovery. This can look different for everyone. It can range from clearing out anything you might find triggering, to setting up a space that makes you feel calm and content, to changing up your routine on arriving home. Like everything in recovery, it’s a process that doesn’t happen overnight, but is created and adjusted over time.

Music Minute features Talking Heads, CSNY, Phillip Phillips, Madness, and Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros

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Episode 215: Episode 215: Why Do People in Recovery Getting into the Mental Health Field? Mar 15, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Raam Roch Hai and Dr. Anthony Foster, Co-CEOs and Founders of AHA! Recovery, a new approach to treating substance use disorders. They discuss the effectiveness of therapists who are themselves in recovery working with others seeking recovery or supporting a loved one. AHA! Recovery blends three evidence-based therapeutics practices: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Mindfulness-Based Relapse Prevention and Shame Resilience Therapy.

Music Minute features sober techno festivals and Gordon Lightfoot

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Episode 214: Episode 214: Young and Sober with Alex Kosinski Mar 08, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk with Alex Kosinski, a 20-something sober friend, who’s building a new life in his adopted city of San Diego. They talk sober dating, healthy habits, and being open to new experiences. Alex finds connection through pursuing passions like fitness, chess and studying Spanish, as well as leaning into the local recovery community.

Music Minute features Chance the Rapper

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Episode 213: Episode 213: Boundaries, Codependency and Energy Vampires Mar 01, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk codependency, something many folks in recovery grapple with. Melody Beattie, author of Codependent No More, defines codependency as, “The concept of losing one’s self while taking care of another.” Anticipating other people’s needs all the time leads to anxiety, projection, and manipulation. The answer is to stop trying to control others, set firm boundaries, and figure out how to handle people who sap your energy and pull you into chaos.

Music Minute features Gin Blossoms, Madonna and Stone Temple Pilots

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Read about Energy Vampires and Chaotic Friends

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Episode 212: Episode 212: Gray Area Drinking with Jolene Park Feb 23, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Jolene Park, founder of Healthy Discoveries. Jolene is a functional nutritionist and a pioneer in the area of “gray area drinking,” the kind where there’s no rock bottom, but where one drinks to manage anxiety and later regrets how often or how much they drink. They talk about Jolene’s recent Substack piece on the online sober community and how it’s changed over time, including the problems with over commercialization and misrepresentations.

Music Minute features Dolly Parton, Miley Cyrus and Bon Jovi

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Gray Area Drinking website

Gray Area Drinking coach training for coaches

Substack

30 day sober choice program

Sober AF bundle

Private coaching

Instagram

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Episode 211: Episode 211: Catching Up on Life, Books, Movies and TV! Feb 16, 2024

Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on so far this year. They also share some of their latest picks for reading and watching. Tawny has finally had some time to decompress from all of the book tour craziness. Lisa has been diving into all kinds of distractions to try to keep things light in a challenging year.

Music Minute features Taylor Swift and Beyonce

Read Tawny’s article on post-partum publishing in Lit Hub

Books:

Yours For the Taking by Gabrielle Korn

Margot's Got Money Troubles (pre-order) by Rufi Thorpe

Acid Christmas

Jo Nesbo's Scandanavian noir books

Hope by Andrew Ridker

Television/Movies:

Read about Loudermilk

Capote vs. The Swans

May December

Past Lives

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Episode 210: Episode 210: Eating Disorders, Consent, and Elvis with Paulina Pinsky Feb 09, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Paulina Pinsky (she/they), a writer, writing coach, and figure skater living in Los Angeles. She writes the Substack newsletter "newly sober" and she is the co-author of the teen guide to consent IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AWKWARD. They talk about Paulina’s experience and recovery, including incorporating TCB (Trust, Compassion and Boundaries) as a way to help manage all the things we struggle with. Whether it’s alcohol, drugs, sex addiction, disordered eating, perfectionism, or anything else, practicing TCB can help.

Music Minute features Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Elvis Presley and Elvis Costello.

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Listen to us talking about cannabis in recovery here.

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Episode 209: Episode 209: After Dry January Feb 02, 2024

Now that Dry January is in the rearview mirror, what comes next? Tawny and Lisa discuss how taking a break from booze gives us an opportunity to be intentional and consider what a dry or damp month can provide. Maybe it helped to identify triggers and stressors – including people – and how you might handle them without alcohol going forward. Maybe you picked up some new habits and friends you’d like to keep up with. Who and what made you feel good and provided support during this month? The biggest takeaway is to give yourself grace. Whether or not you hit your Dry January “goals,” you decided to go for a reset. That’s a big deal!

Music Minute features The Beatles, Sheryl Crow and Natalie Merchant.

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Episode 208: Episode 208: Mommy Wine Culture with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor Jan 26, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk to Stefanie Wilder-Taylor, an author, TV personality, and cohost of the popular podcast For Crying Out Loud, about her new book, DRUNK-ISH: Loving and Leaving Alcohol. She is the co-host of the podcasts, For Crying Out Loud, Rose Pricks, and Bored A.F. She co-created and hosted the late-night comedy parenting show Parental Discretion with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor for NickMom on Nickelodeon. She’s the author of Sippy Cups Are Not for Chardonnay; Naptime Is the New Happy Hour, among others.

Music Minute features yacht rock classics like Michael McDonald and Styyx.

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Episode 207: Episode 207: Good News and Sad News: Announcing Our Card Deck & Honoring Matthew Perry Jan 19, 2024

Tawny and Lisa announce their new card deck out next fall! The Sobriety Deck is for anyone making the choice not to drink today, whether sober or sober-curious. It will provide support, guidance and inspiration in an easy-to-use format that can be drawn on anytime you need a little boost or help. While the deck is a real light, they also discuss the realistic side of recovery: when there’s good news, there’s often bad news, too. Lisa and Tawny discuss Matthew Perry’s heartbreaking death.

Check out these card decks: Hack Your Nervous System, Music Oracles, The Numinous Astro Deck, and Meditations and Affirmations

Music Minute features The Rembrandts.

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Episode 206: Episode 206: Productivity Dysmorphia Jan 12, 2024

Tawny discovered a name for the Venn diagram of burnout, imposter syndrome, and work addiction than many of us struggle with: Productivity Dysmorphia. Focused on output and feeling like we’re never doing enough, productivity dysmorphia keeps us from understanding how much we truly do and have already done. To fight it, we can recognize it as a feeling (not a fact) and ask ourselves if we really need to do the next thing we’re adding to our plate.

Music Minute by The Band.

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Check out these books: The Success Myth, Rest is Resistance, Body Neutral, and The Burnout Workbook

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Episode 205: Episode 205: Heading into 2024 Jan 05, 2024

Tawny and Lisa talk about what’s ahead in 2024. It’s a Strength card year in the Tarot – showing up and standing with a lion. And we know it’s going to be a challenging year in U.S. with so much at stake in our election. How do we take care of ourselves? One day at a time, for sure. And also asking, how can I “go first” in my life, while still showing up for everything and everyone we need to.

Music Minute features Bruce Springsteen and Creedence Clearwater Revival.

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Episode 204: Episode 204: Special Guest Dr. Brooke Scheller Dec 29, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk to Dr. Brooke Scheller, the creator of Functional Sobriety and New York City’s top nutritionist specializing in alcohol use. Her new book, How to Eat to Change How You Drink, is a guide to leverage food and nutrition to reduce or eliminate alcohol consumption, develop mindfulness, and promote a healthier relationship with alcohol.

Music Minute features Jewel

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Episode 203: Episode 203: Fur Babies & Mental Health with Special Guest Carrie Finch, LCSW of PAWS NY Dec 22, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk with Carrie Finch, Deputy Director of PAWS NY, an organization which provides pet care support to older adults and individuals living with illness, substance abuse, or disability in New York City, allowing these families to stay together and thrive. PAWS NY recently launched a new Substance Use Recovery Program, which provides foster and emergency care for pets as their guardians seek inpatient treatment for substance use.

Music Minute features Queen and Bob Marley.

Check out PAWS NY at pawsny.org.

Find PAWS NY on Instagram.

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Episode 202: Episode 202: Sobriety & Money with Special Guest Jill Sirianni, LCSW of Frugal Friends Podcast Dec 15, 2023

Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing curiosity around finances can help identify priorities in developing a plan.

Music Minute features Thrice.

Check out Frugal Friends podcast website, which also offers a newsletter and free tools.

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Episode 201: Episode 201: Special Guest Gina Moffa, LCSW on Grief Dec 08, 2023

Tawny and Lisa interview Gina Moffa, author of the new book Moving On Doesn’t Mean Letting Go: A Modern Guide to Navigating Loss. Grief can show up over a death, the end of a friendship or relationship, or an ambiguous loss. Gina takes an honest look at how grief affects our lives and provides a heartfelt, practical map through the dark terrain of loss, shifting the pain of grief even when things feel unpredictable and overwhelming.

Music Minute features Joni Mitchell.

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Episode 200: Episode 200: Our 200th Episode! And the Being Sober for the Holidays Dec 01, 2023

Tawny and Lisa celebrate 200 episodes of Recovery Rocks and send a giant thank you to all of the listeners! It’s also the fifth holiday episode. They talk about getting through the season in a way that keeps their recoveries strong. That means planning ahead, setting boundaries, and taking time for themselves. As always, “No,” is a complete sentence, but no one has to navigate the holidays alone either.

Music Minute features Hanson and Wham!

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Episode 199: Episode 199: Burnout Nov 24, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about burnout, a term that’s everywhere these days, but can sometimes be hard to spot in ourselves. A recent article from The New York Times, "Your Body Knows When it's Burned Out," lays out both the symptoms of burnout and how you might address them. It helps to recognize burnout when it begins to appear. Then we are able to question the causes and begin – slowly and in our own ways – to alleviate the chronic stressors that caused it.

Music Minute features Khruangbin and Blondie.

Check out The Burnout Workbook

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Episode 198: Episode 198: Rites of Passage Nov 17, 2023

Tawny got married! She and Lisa talk about life milestones and rites of passage sans alcohol. While being grateful for living lives beyond what they expected when quitting booze, they also recognize that there are no guarantees in life. They talk about not relying on external events (marriage, moves, kids) to “fix” their lives. The most important thing is working to become comfortable and confident in who we are on our own.

Music Minute features Billy Idol and Bleachers.

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Episode 197: Episode 197: On Quitting Everything With Special Guest Freda Love Smith Nov 10, 2023

Tawny and Lisa welcome writer, teacher, and retired indie rock drummer, Freda Love Smith. Her new memoir, I Quit Everything explores addiction, intoxication, and the twilight of her musical career. They talked about Freda’s experiment taking time off from alcohol, sugar, caffeine, weed, and social media during the pandemic. For some people, those not experiencing full-blown addiction, quitting for a period of time can lead to intentionality when engaging with any substance later.

Music Minute features The Modern Lovers.

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Read Freda’s essay for Lithub about narrating her audiobook

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Episode 196: Episode 196: Grief in Sobriety With Special Guest Katie Mack Nov 03, 2023

Tawny’s and Lisa’s good friend Katie Mack is back to talk about her latest project, #UGLYCRY, a one-woman show onstage in New York. Based on a true story, after the death of her ex-boyfriend, Mack, a grieving, social media-obsessed millennial brings him back to life with her phone. They talk about how grief looks different for everyone and changes over time, as well as how loved ones live on with us through the internet.

Music Minute features Lizzy McAlpine, Smashing Pumpkins, Band of Horses, and Rolling Stones.

Get tickets to #UGLYCRY. Put in MACK23 to get $10 tickets!

Check out Mack’s F*king Sober Podcast

Find Mack on Instagram and TikTok

Attend Tawny & Mack’s live interview after the November 12th performance of #UGLYCRY. Discount code mack23 gets you $10 tickets.

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Episode 195: Episode 195: Our Bodies. Our Brains Oct 27, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about the importance of taking care of their bodies, which helps them take care of their brains. Tawny recently had bronchitis and when her doctor asked if she was using her asthma inhaler, she had forgotten all about her asthma! When she used it, it totally helped. Lisa has issues with her back and while she knows her physical therapy exercises would prevent flare-ups, she often stops doing them. The little things can be a pain to remember but they can make a big difference. Tawny and Lisa often talk about the importance of mental health, but this episode is dedicated to physical health because balance!

Music Minute features Bruce Springsteen, The Black Keys, and The Beatles.

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Episode 194: Episode 194: Books, Books, Books Oct 20, 2023

Tawny and Lisa went on reading sprees over the summer (nothing new – Tawny has already read 42 books this year!). They talk about some of their recent favorites, including RIPE, YELLOWFACE, OLD ENOUGH, and THE LAST CHAIRLIFT. They’re all new books from both emerging authors and an old favorite (John Irving) and all have compelling, unique messages.

Music Minute features two of Tawny’s recent favorite audiobooks, How To Be Perfect and

and The Perfectionist's Guide to Losing Control.

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Episode 193: Episode 193: Leaning into Negative Feelings Oct 13, 2023

Recent research suggests that people who habitually judge negative feelings — such as sadness, fear and anger — as bad or inappropriate have more anxiety and depression symptoms and feel less satisfied with their lives than people who generally perceive their negative emotions in a positive or neutral light. Tawny and Lisa discuss how they try to keep their negative feelings in context. They also incorporate tools, such as somatic therapy, journaling, and talking, to find relief.

Music Minute features Heart, Garbage.

Read The New York Times' article.

Check out the study.

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Episode 192: Episode 192: Showing Up for Others Oct 06, 2023

One of the things Tawny and Lisa love about sober life is being able to show up for other people, often people they couldn’t truly show up for before. But showing up isn’t always on our time – we don’t control who plans what and when. They talk about those times and how they handle them. Tawny was in a wedding the weekend before her book launch! Clear communication, as well as managing boundaries and expectations, are key.

Music Minute features The Rembrandts and the GoGos.

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Episode 191: Episode 191: Special Guest Amanda Kuda Sep 29, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk with Amanda Kuda, an alcohol-free lifestyle expert and the author of the upcoming book, Unbottled Potential: Break Up with Alcohol and Break Through To Your Best Life. Amanda is also a holistic life coach and speaker. She teaches a modern approach to personal development, self-actualization and spiritual enlightenment through the lens of elective sobriety. They talk about all the ways that dropping alcohol makes room for us to discover and pursue things that make us less stressed and more joyful.

Music Minute features Whitney Houston and Hanson.

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Episode 190: Episode 190: DRY HUMPING (Tawny’s book) IS HERE! Sep 22, 2023

Tawny’s officially a published author! Her book, DRY HUMPING, is the book she needed when she was newly sober and terrified of dating and intimacy. Tawny’s book baby is out and on sale wherever you get your books! Tawny and Lisa talk all about DRY HUMPING and how it will help readers on sober and sober-curious journeys have better dates, sex, and partnerships. It’s the book Tawny wishes she had when she first ditched the booze. She refutes the notion of “liquid courage” as a useful tool to loosen up. The book offers tons of tools, including:

· Booze-free date ideas

· Scripts for awkward conversations

· Interviews with experts

· Thought-provoking prompts

· Perspectives from a diverse range of regular people

· And more!

Music Minute features Khruangbin, the Stranger Things soundtrack, and Tawny’s Dry Humping playlist

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Episode 189: Episode 189: Pre-Launch Catch Up Sep 15, 2023

Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on this summer. DRY HUMPING is out September 19! Tawny talks about recording her audiobook, pre-launch stress and how she’s managing the things she can’t control. Lisa talks about her presentation to first-year law students at Vanderbilt Law School and how important it is for young people going into high-stress professions to understand how to take care of their mental health and watch for signs of addiction.

Music Minute features Qveen Herby, the Stranger Things soundtrack, Bo Burnham, and Bruce Springsteen.

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Episode 188: Episode 188: Special Guest Celeste Yvonne Sep 08, 2023

Tawny and Lisa chat with Celeste Yvonne, author of It’s Not About the Wine: The Loaded Truth About Mommy Wine Culture. She is a certified sober coach (IAPRC) with over 20 years of experience as a communications professional in corporate America. Her writing has been featured in The Washington Post, Good Morning America, The Wall Street Journal, and others. Celeste is founding host of the Sober Mom Squad and advocates for mothers who struggle with addiction and mental health.

Music Minute features Taylor Swift.

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Episode 187: Episode 187: Special Guest Dawn Nickel Sep 01, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk with Dawn Nickel, a founder of the SHE RECOVERS® Foundation, a groundbreaking organization serving women and non-binary individuals globally in or seeking recovery from mental health issues, trauma, substance use and related life challenges. It recognizes that we are all recovering from something and no one should have to recover alone. Dawn is a Certified Professional Recovery Coach, with a PhD and consulting expertise related to women and health care policy. Her book, “She Recovers Everyday: Mediations for Women” is available now.

Music Minute features Brandi Carlile.

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Episode 186: Episode 186: Grief and Losing Friends Aug 25, 2023

Tawny has recently experienced the loss of several friends from drugs, alcohol and by suicide, mainly in Waco, Texas, where she grew up. It’s a mental health desert where many are encouraged to “pray away” addiction or depression. She and Lisa talk about coping with grief in sobriety, which means feeling your feelings and leaning into resources.

Music Minute features KISS and King’s X.

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Episode 185: Episode 185: Special Guest Ann Dowsett Johnston Aug 18, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk to (and fangirl!) Ann Dowsett Johnston, the bestselling author of DRINK: THE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WOMEN AND ALCOHOL, the book that broke the story on the pinking of the alcohol market and the closing of the risky drinking gender gap. Now a psychotherapist, Ann also runs her popular memoir-writing course called Writing Your Recovery, open to women. They talk about the changes in the recovery community over the last 10 years and the power of writing our truth.

To sign up for Ann’s October workshop, click here or here.

Music Minute features Van Morrison.

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Episode 184: Episode 184: Managing Our Energy Budgets Aug 11, 2023

Tawny is full-steam ahead on huge projects (you can pre-order her book!), including a new sober dating and relationships newsletter. She and Lisa talk about ways to manage busy – and not so busy – times. They look at their energy budgets (available time and resources) like money in a bank account. It means not saying yes to everything. It also means building in time to rest and take a break. They use meditation and mindfulness tools to avoid distraction. And they ask for help when they need it.

Music Minute features Drake and Guns ‘n Roses.

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Episode 183: Episode 183: FOMO, JOMO and FOMA Aug 04, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about FOMO (Fear of Missing Out), JOMO (Joy of Missing Out) and FOMA (Fear of Missing Alcohol). Feelings of missing out are common, particularly when social media is full of friends and family on seemingly perfect summer vacations. And for those in early sobriety these feelings can be particularly tough. But there are lots of ways to combat it. And you can even find the JOMO that Tawny and Lisa truly love!

Music Minute features The Who, The Stones, Lana Del Rey, Sublime, and Hanson.

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Episode 182: Episode 182: Ozempic and Addiction Jul 28, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about Ozempic, a diabetes medication that can have the side effect of weight loss. Word of that side effect caused a run on the drug that led to a supply shortage for people with diabetes. Normalizing off-label use of a prescription drug (as opposed to taking a weight-management drug while under a doctor’s care) as a route to losing weight undermines the progress society has made on body positivity. It perpetuates stigma around body size and shape. And for Tawny and Lisa, even if they had a had a pill to remove their cravings, they still would have needed community, therapy and support for to be mentally healthy.

Music Minute features Megan Trainor, Lizzo and Eminem

Read What Ozempic Reveals About Desire

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Episode 181: Episode 181: Sober Travel Jul 21, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about the challenges – and big rewards – of sober travel. Particularly when everyone is in “vacation mode,” more booze will be flowing, and we can feel left out. It also takes us out of our routines and comfort zones. Their trick is to bring their sobriety toolkits along with us for support. Connecting with supportive friends and family while away, appreciating being fully present in the unique moment, and carving out time for themselves help keep Tawny and Lisa sober on vacay.

Music Minute features Red Hot Chili Peppers, The GoGos and Madonna

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Check out Il Meneghello Tarot

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Episode 180: Episode 180: “Beyond Liquid Courage” newsletter and DRY HUMPING! Jul 14, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about the excitement leading up to Tawny’s book launch on September 19! She also recently launched a weekly advice column called “Beyond Liquid Courage,” diving into all of the tricky questions and issues around sober sex and dating. It also features interviews, resources, and recommendations. She and Lisa also discuss the importance of building a community of support and connection on an ongoing basis both online and IRL.

Music Minute features the Beatles and Depeche Mode.

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Tawny has an article in Tracy Anderson's Mindy, Body & Soul Magazine.

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Episode 179: Episode 179: New 988 National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline Jul 07, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about the 988 Lifeline, a new national service modeled after the 911 emergency hotline. 988 is focused on suicide and mental health crisis support. Not only can those in need call 988, but they can also text, an important feature for many who are more comfortable communicating with a counselor that way. The Lifeline also provides targeted support for LGBTQ+, Veterans, Blacks, Native Americans, mothers, and more at-risk populations. It meets people where they are.

Music Minute features Blondie, Logic, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce.

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Episode 178: Episode 178: “Wellmania” and Idealized Wellness Jun 30, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about the Netflix series, “Wellmania,” starring Celeste Barber. The show knocks down the idea that a fad diet or a stay at a spa will get us “well.” It’s also a realistic portrayal of the panic attacks and blacking out from anxiety that many of us have experienced. They also talk about John Mulaney’s stand-up comedy special, “Baby J.” Stories that make them think, “that used to be me,” are cathartic and a good reminder of why they stay sober.

Music Minute features the Wellmania soundtrack, Bo Burnham's Inside, and Matchbox 20.

Check out Wellmania

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Episode 177: Episode 177: Special Guest Molly Ruggere Jun 23, 2023

Recently recognized by Axios Charlotte on its list of “25 women helping to shape Charlotte in 2023," Molly Ruggere is a writer, Certified Lumia Life Coach, Certified This Naked Mind Coach and Founder of Counterculture Club, a global alcohol-free community, based in Charlotte, NC, challenging the mainstream belief that alcohol is a necessity for connection and a fulfilling, fun life, using social proof and science. They talk about how Molly left New York City for Charlotte to get sober and the vibrant online and IRL community for folks choosing not to drink, even for an evening.

Music Minute features Incubus, Flaming Lips and going to live music shows sober.

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Episode 176: Episode 176: Special Guest Ruby Warrington Jun 16, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk to acclaimed author and friend, Ruby Warrington, about her new book, WOMEN WITHOUT KIDS: THE REVOLUTIONARY RISE OF AN UNSUNG SISTERHOOD. Many listeners will know Ruby from her groundbreaking book, SOBER CURIOUS, which coined the term. With 20+ years’ experience as a lifestyle journalist and editor, Ruby is known as an astute cultural commentator and true thought leader. They talk about society’s view on women without kids, generational caretaking, and how we value what we do with our lives.

Music Minute features Madonna in Desperately Seeking Susan.

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Episode 175: Episode 175: Special Guest Sarah Levy Jun 09, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa talk to Sarah Levy, the author of the fantastic new book, “Drinking Games.” The book is part memoir and part social critique, telling the story of how Sarah drank and lived― and how, for her, the last drink was just the beginning. They talk about keeping friends in sobriety, the power of community, social media, and the importance of avoiding the “compare and despair” mentality.

Music Minute features the Hamilton soundtrack.

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Episode 174: Episode 174: Special Guest Laura Silverman Jun 02, 2023

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Laura is an alcohol-free advocate and longtime friend of Tawny and Lisa. She’s the founder of Zero Proof Nation and Booze Free in DC, two platforms focused on highlighting non-alcoholic beverages and the culture driving their growth. Laura was recently in London to be a judge at the inaugural World Alcohol Free Awards! They talk all things NA drinks and about how working to normalize NA consumption helps Laura’s own sobriety.

Music Minute features Dispatch and Regina Spector

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And Booze Free in DC

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Episode 173: Episode 173: Special Guest Anna David May 26, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa talk to sober trailblazer Anna David about her new book, “On Good Authority: How Founders and CEOs Can Prepare, Promote and Profit from a How-To Book that Makes Them the Go-To Expert,” as well as all things sober. Finding your passion can lead to becoming an expert and building a career. But at the end of the day, one of the best feelings in sobriety is helping the next person.

Music Minute features SZA, Taylor Swift, and Lizzo.

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Episode 172: Episode 172: Special Guest Simone Finch May 19, 2023

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Simone Finch is the Creator and Executive Producer, of Tawny’s and Lisa’s favorite television show, “Single Drunk Female,” on Hulu. She’s also a friend of the podcast! They all talk about the show’s second season (Tawny went to the premiere!), second-year sobriety, and how talking about recovery at work is not the same as working on your recovery.

Music Minute features Jessie Ware, Beyonce, and going to concerts without drinking.

Watch Single Drunk Female!

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Episode 171: Episode 171: Managing Expectations May 12, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa talk about how high expectations can lead to low serenity, disappointment and negative self-talk. Tawny thinks about the saying, “you can do anything, you can’t do everything,” Often, unrealistic expectations come from an inability to accept a certain fact, situation or person as they truly are, which can lead to codependency and trying to “fix” things. They also talk about the need to avoid expecting something external to make everything ok internally. It’s important to stay in today and remember where your feet are.

Music Minute features: Gin Blossoms and Queen & David Bowie.

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Episode 170: Episode 170: Special Guest Talia Bennick of Crisp & Crude May 05, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa chat with Talia Bennick, who launched Crisp & Crude zero proof cocktails in Austin in 2020. After going alcohol-free to manage migraine pain, Talia realized how beneficial this change was to her quality of life but was consistently disappointed about being underserved for the better part of a decade. So, she developed the four Crisp & Crude flavors herself. Each flavor contains mood-lifting botanical extracts from plants, fruits and roots, plus a line with CBD. They talk about the origins of the line, as well as getting alcohol free drinks normalized in restaurants, the workplace, and beyond.

Music Minute features the playlist for each Crisp & Crude flavor and Beyonce.

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Episode 169: Episode 169: The Right to Nonreligious Rehab Apr 28, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa discuss the New York Times article linked below, advocating for offering paths to recovery other than Alcoholics Anonymous, in which a Higher Power is a central concept. Lisa talked about her experience with being directed toward AA and the “take what you need, leave the rest,” mentality. They are grateful that alternative programs like SMART Recovery, She Recovers, Monument, and The Luckiest Club, and others, giving people choices to find what’s right for them. They also discuss the concept of “powerlessness.” And the fact that Bill W., the founder of AA, was a fan of LSD!

Music Minute features REM, Ariana Grande, Lil Nas X, and “Spirit in the Sky.”

Find the NYT article here

You’re Wrong About podcast

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Episode 168: Episode 168: Special Guest Laura Cathcart Robbins Apr 21, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Laura Cathcart Robbins about her must-read new #quitlit memoir, “Stash, My Life in Hiding.” After concealing her addiction from everyone in her life, she sought recovery while facing divorce, the possibility of a grueling custody battle, and internalized racism. They talk about the power of trusting their intuition, the issues around divorce, and putting on a façade for the world. Laura also shares about “shide,” the painful mix of shame and Pride.

Laura also is the host of the popular podcast, “The Only One In The Room,” and her recent articles in Huffpo and The Temper on the subjects of race, recovery, and divorce have garnered her worldwide acclaim.

Music Minute features Amy Winehouse, Taylor Swift, Doja Cat, and The Weekend.

You can find “Stash” here

Laura’s podcast

On Facebook

On IG

On Twitter

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Episode 167: Episode 167: Special Guest Laura McKowen Apr 14, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa talk to Laura McKowen, author of the bestselling memoir We Are the Luckiest:

The Surprising Magic of a Sober Life. In 2020, Laura founded The Luckiest Club, a global sobriety support community. Her new book, Push Off from Here: Nine Essential Truths to Get You Through Sobriety (and Everything Else), is available now. The book is a modern exploration of addiction that offers nine foundational building blocks every person at any stage of sobriety can use.

Music Minute features Taylor Swift and her brilliant lyricism

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Follow her: @laura_mckowen @theluckiestclub

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Episode 166: Episode 166: Special Guest Emily Lynn Paulson Apr 07, 2023

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Emily Lynn Paulson is the author of Highlight Real: Finding Honesty and Recovery Beyond the Filtered Life, and the forthcoming, Hey, Hun: Sales, Sisterhood, Supremacy, and the Other Lies Behind Multilevel Marketing. She’s also the founder of Sober Mom Squad, which is a terrific online support community. Emily and Tawny both dig deep into their experiences in the world of MLMs, their cult-like aspects, and the role that alcohol plays in them.

Music Minute features Pearl Jam and Nirvana.

Find Emily here

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Episode 165: Episode 165: Spring Catch-Up Chat Mar 31, 2023

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Welcome to Spring! Tawny and Lisa caught up on what they’re reading and watching. Television includes some old-school TV, from The Office and The IT Crowd to the BBC Mystery series. They’re also looking forward to season 2 of Single Drunk Female! Tawny also shares updates about her debut book, Dry Humping, about sober sex and dating, coming out in September!

Music Minute features the songs from the 2023 Oscars and electronic music for Tawny’s

Writing.

Some recent favorite books:

I Have Some Questions for You by Rebecca Makkai

Transformer: The Complete Lou Reed Story by Simon Doonan

The Writing Retreat by Julia Bartz

The Guns of August by Barbara W. Tuchman

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Episode 164: Episode 164: Special Guest Zach Braff Mar 24, 2023

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Tawny and Lisa interviewed actor, writer, and director Zach Braff! A Good Person, his latest film, is a gripping story of addiction, grief, and moving on. It stars Florence Pugh, Morgan Freeman, and Molly Shannon. The three of them discuss writing about addiction and grief, sober curiosity, how hobbies can help folks in recovery, and more.
Music Minute features the role of music in Zach’s work. (We recommend the iconic soundtrack to his 2004 movie, Garden State!)
 
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Episode 163: Episode 163: Rumination and How to Stop It Mar 17, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about a recent piece in The New York Times entitled, “How to Stop Ruminating.” Rumination is described as that feeling when your thoughts about an event, conversation, or something else are so excessive and overwhelming that you can’t stop them, or they are impacting other aspects of your life. Ways to avoid the rumination cycle are 1) divert your attention, 2) set a worry timer, 3) immerse yourself in the moment and 4) avoid your triggers. Rumination tends to impact women more than men, as well as people prone to perfectionism or insecurity. But the cycle can be broken!

Music Minute features Carly Simon and the below study on lyrical analysis.

Read the New York Times article

Check out this wild study

Imposter Syndrome Video

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Episode 162: Episode 162: Special Guest Ken Middleton, author of “Bamboozled: How Alcohol Makes Fools of Us All” Mar 10, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk with Ken Middleton, a wellness advocate and author of the upcoming book,

“Bamboozled: How Alcohol Makes Fools of Us All.” He is also the editor of the Medium

publication, “AINYF: Alcohol is Not Your Friend.” Ken helps people build the best versions of

themselves by demonstrating that alcohol holds us back from living life to the fullest. His

sobriety started as an experiment that ended up turbocharging his business. He educates others on the things he wish he had known earlier.

Music Minute features Lil Uzi Vert and Eminem

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Episode 161: Episode 161: Special Guest Laura Crossett of Soberlink Mar 03, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk to Laura Crossett of Soberlink, which provides a hand-held, remote alcohol

breathalyzer, a great tool for accountability and rebuilding the trust of others. Laura is also in

long-term recovery and shares her recovery story out loud. She notes the challenges she had

trying to earn the trust of family members she alienated when she was using. They talk about

how alcohol/drug testing can be a helpful way to demonstrate someone’s commitment to staying

sober, which in turn can be a huge gift to both the person getting sober and the others in their

Lives.

Music Minute features Hoobastank and Counting Crows

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Episode 160: Episode 160: Catching Up Feb 24, 2023

Tawny and Lisa finally got their IRL reunion in New York City and are still buzzing about it.

Thanks again to everyone who voted for the podcast in the inaugural Signal Awards! They

talk about hanging out at the awards party, Tawny’s new fab apartment, and Lisa speaking at

Columbia Law School. And now you can pre-order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A GUIDE

TO DATING, RELATING, & HOOKING UP WITHOUT THE BOOZE!

Music Minute features Peaches & Herb and Madonna

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Episode 159: Episode 159: Special Guest Shari Hampton Feb 17, 2023

Tawny and Lisa catch up with their friend Shari Hampton, a certified life and recovery coach,

consultant, and founder of the non-profit Served Up Sober. They talk about what coaching is

(self-discovery, accountability, and support) and what it is not (therapy or 12-step sponsorship).

Coaching provides tools and ideas to help people reach goals that may feel out of reach.

The coach can’t do recovery work for someone else or want it more than they do, though.

A coach is one tool in the sobriety toolbox.

Music Minute features Beyonce and Cory Henry

Shari’s website and Instagram

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Episode 158: Episode 158: Special Guests Katie Mack and Kim Kearns! Feb 10, 2023

Season 2 of F*cking Sober Podcast is out! Tawny and Lisa talk with its creator, Katie Mack, and

Kim Kearns, whose story of motherhood and sobriety is the basis of this season. Each season of F*cking Sober Podcast is a stand-alone eight-episode arc that unpacks the first 90 days of sobriety. It’s unique in the world of recovery podcasts. They talk about mommy wine culture from its origins to where it can lead. Also, Kim has a new book out, “On the Edge of Shattered” (link below).

Music Minute features Jimmy Buffet and Jessica Wilde.

@fckingsober90_podcast

@mackersnyc

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@kbkearns

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Episode 157: Episode 157: Treat Yourself Feb 03, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk big self-care and how to set yourself up to make it easier. Tawny calls it

“pampering the f*** out of yourself.” She buys herself flowers every week and even created a meditation closet! Setting a designated area at home or somewhere else that’s a go-to place to

decompress and recenter can be a big help in recovery. It’s also necessary to set boundaries to

actually use the space we set up.

Music Minute features Crosby Stills Nash &Young and instrumental music by Khruangbin and Kyle Dixon

Recommended Reading: Set Boundaries, Find Peace

Just For Fun: Treat Yourself from Parks & Rec

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Episode 156: Episode 156: Mental Health Support and the Workplace Jan 27, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk about advocating for your mental health in the workplace. While programs

like those under the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) and other sabbaticals may be available,

red tape and stigma can keep us from taking the time we need. They also discuss the need for

employers to recognize that a “sick day” can apply to physical health or mental health. The brain

is an organ in the body and needs to be taken care of just like any other organ. Use your sick days, y’all!

Music Minute features The Beatles and Jojo.

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Episode 155: Episode 155: Dry January Check In Jan 20, 2023

Tawny and Lisa talk Dry January and how it’s evolved over the years. “Damp January” and

other approaches might be the right road for many people who just want to take a break or are

sober curious. It’s not about “sober tourism.” It’s about seeing what it feels like to wake up

without hangovers and be more present in our lives. Dry January is a great time to level up how

we deal with our difficult feelings without drinking. And it’s a great time to check out the

multitudes of zero-proof drinks!

Music Minute features No Doubt and Radiohead.

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Episode 154: Episode 154: Cannabis in Recovery (A Very Special Episode!) Jan 13, 2023

Tawny opens up about incorporating cannabis in her recovery. Last year, when her anxiety seriously
worsened, she was faced with either upping her antidepressant dose or adding Xanax. With
neither of those being good options for her, she explored alternatives in plant medicine. She now
microdoses cannabis under the guidance of professionals: her general physician, a cannabis doctor, and
her therapist. Plant medicine can be one more tool in the sobriety toolbox. There is no shame in
the medicine game, plant-based or otherwise!
For more info, check out:
GRASS (Green Recovery and Sobriety Support).
DOSED documentary
Music Minute features Bleachers, Diana Ross, and The Beatles.

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Episode 153: Episode 153: Special Guest Mary Beth O’Connor – Author of “From Junkie to Judge.” Jan 06, 2023

(CW: includes a discussion of violence and sexual assault)
Mary Beth O’Connor is the author of the new memoir, “From Junkie to Judge: One Woman’s
Triumph Over Trauma and Addiction.” The abuse and traumas she experienced as a child,
including sexual assaults, led Mary Beth into substance use disorders. She started drinking at 12
years old and by 17 she was shooting up methamphetamine. When Mary Beth got sober at age 32, 12-step was not a fit. She decided to develop her own way of recovering, incorporating ideas from multiple sources to build a secular recovery plan that works for her. Six years into her recovery, she went to law school, then worked at a big firm before being appointed a federal Administrative Law Judge.

The programs Mary Beth draws on include:
Women For Sobriety -- https://womenforsobriety.org/
Life Ring Secular Recovery -- https://lifering.org/
She Recovers -- https://sherecovers.org/
Music Minute features Pharell’s “Happy.” Check out the video for “24 hours of Happy.” -
https://24hoursofhappy.com/

Find Mary Beth and the book at: https://junkietojudge.com/
On IG: @marybetho_

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Episode 152: Episode 152: Looking to 2023 – A Chariot Year Dec 30, 2022

Tawny and Lisa take a different spin on the New Year. Instead of making New Year’s
resolutions, which they quit years ago, they talk about what they want to leave behind from
2022. These are things that may have helped them in the past but no longer serve them. For those
interested in Tarot, this coincides with the card for 2023 being The Chariot.
Music Minute features Everclear, Guns n Roses; The Rolling Stones, Gavin DeGraw, and Bob
Dylan.
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Episode 151: Episode 151: Our Favorites of 2022 Dec 23, 2022

Tawny and Lisa go over their favorite reads, listens, and watches of 2022. The year brought great
books (including QuitLit!), TV, and music. There was a lot to love this year and book links are
below.
Some fave TV: Single Drunk Female (Hulu), Dopesick (Hulu), Euphoria (HBO), The Flight
Attendant (HBO), and Loudermilk (Amazon).
Some fave QuitLit:
The Book of Boundaries (Melissa Urban) -
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/695814/the-book-of-boundaries-by-melissa-urban/
Not Drinking Tonight (Amanda White) - https://www.hachettego.com/titles/amanda-e-white-
lpc/not-drinking-tonight/9781549136344/
I’m Glad My Mom Died (Jennette McCurdy) - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Im-
Glad-My-Mom-Died/Jennette-McCurdy/9781982185824
Sex and the Single Woman (Tawny contributed an essay!) -
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sex-and-the-single-woman-eliza-m-smithhaley-
swanson?variant=40371687555106
Pre-order Hey Hun (Emily Lynn Paulson) - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Hey-
Hun/Emily-Lynn-Paulson/9781955905251
Other reads include A Certain Hunger (Chelsea G. Summers), The Last Chairlift (John Irving),
Liberation Day (George Saunders), and Night of the Living Rez (Morgan Tatty).

Music Minute features Taylor Swift, Macklemore, Wet Leg, and Maneskin, as well as new tunes
from old favorites – Mike Campbell, Ann Wilson, Jack White, and Eddie Vedder.

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Episode 150: VOTE Recovery Rocks! - Episode 150: Imposter Syndrome Dec 16, 2022

Vote Recovery Rocks for Best Buddy Podcast: https://vote.signalaward.com/PublicVoting#/2022/shows/general/best-buddy-podcast
Imposter syndrome is defined as, “a psychological pattern in which an individual doubts their

accomplishments and has a persistent internalized fear of being exposed as a ‘fraud.’” So many

of us experience this feeling and we’re not alone. Surveys have shown that between 30% and

70% of Americans struggle with it. Tawny and Lisa discuss how they feel when their minds tells

them a story that is not based in fact, and how they address it.

Check out the Impostor Syndrome Institute

Music Minute features The Who and Gin Blossoms.

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Episode 149: Episode 149: Two Years on Lexapro! Dec 09, 2022

Tawny has been taking Lexapro for her anxiety and it’s truly changed her life. Lisa also takes medication for her depression and anxiety. While it may not be an option for everyone, for many people medication is a lifesaver. They talk about how it works and how essential it is to break the stigma around it. They also break down some common myths that keep the medication stigma going.

Check out Tawny’s IG for her October post on her medication journey!

Music Minute features Megan Thee Stallion’s new mental health site, Bad Bitches Have Bad

Days Too. And Selena Gomez’s Wondermind newsletter.

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Episode 148: Episode 148: Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) Dec 02, 2022

Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) is type of “situational” depression. It happens during certain

seasons of the year—most often fall or winter. Shorter days and less daylight may trigger a

chemical change in the brain leading to symptoms of depression. Light therapy and

antidepressants can help treat SAD. Tawny and Lisa talk about their experiences with SAD and

what helps them.

Music Minute features Annie Lennox, Garbage, Soundgarden, and Gary Allen. They also laugh at Ilana Glazer brilliant portrayal of SAD on an episode of Broad City.

Info on Seasonal Affective Disorder

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Episode 147: Episode 147: Refilling Our Cups After an Intense Time Nov 25, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk about coming through challenging periods and how they’re taking care of

themselves. Tawny has turned in her book, “DRY HUMPING,” out next fall! And Lisa has been

helping her mom transition into the next phase of life. When they experience overwhelming and

stressful situations, they both reach into their sobriety tool kit. And they find what brings them

Joy.

Music Minute features Tawny’s recent concert and show experiences: Melissa Etheridge, Funny

Girl, and Lizzo. They also discuss Leigh Stein’s brilliant satirical novel, Self Care

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Episode 146: Episode 146: Sober Holiday Time Nov 18, 2022

Tawny and Lisa are back together, and they’re talking about the holidays. Sometimes called the Bermuda Triangle of sober life, they can be a lot happier when we set and maintain boundaries, check in with how we’re feeling throughout, and celebrate in ways that are meaningful to us. They also talk about great zero-proof options for holiday events. Go to Tawny’s website for discount codes! https://www.tawnylara.com/affiliates

Music Minute features Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, John Lennon, and Melissa Etheridge.

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Episode 145: Episode 145: Personal Development and Sobriety with Carlos Navarro Nov 11, 2022

Tawny and special guest co-host Irina chat with actor, radio personality, and sober badass, Carlos Navarro. You might have seen him on TV in "Bloodline," "The Walking Dead," and most recently, Marvel's "Hawkeye." Carlos wasn't always on top. His story will connect with anyone who has ever experienced life's highs and lows and struggled with addiction. He has been broke, jobless, and self-destructive, drank too much, partied too hard, earned three mugshots, and landed in jail after an infamous on-stage fight in 2006 with a former radio colleague. But Carlos turned it around in 2007 by self-motivating, doing the work on himself to be a better human, digging deeper spiritually, and yes, giving up drinking. When he changed his thinking and gave up alcohol, it became a pivotal moment in his life and career taking off. Seven years sober, he’s now sharing his “mugshot to Marvel” journey to recovery.

The Music Minute highlights Eminem and Billy Joel.

Guest Co-Host: Irina Gonzalez

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Learn more about Carlos: www.itstartswithatap.com

Episode 144: Episode 144: Sobriedad Y Latinidad (Sobriety in the Latin Community) Nov 04, 2022

Tawny is Mexican, Jewish, and 100% Heavy Metal. Special guest co-host Irina is a Cuban and Russian immigrant. But are they Latina? Spoiler alert: YES! In this intimate episode about identity and culture, Irina talks about growing up in Florida around only fellow Cubans while Tawny discusses not feeling “Mexican enough” despite growing up in Texas, teaching Zumba, and learning Spanish. How have these feelings impacted their recovery? What is machismo culture, and how does it relate to drinking? They discuss the lack of Latinx resources for sober folks and the problematic role that religion often plays in Latinx folks seeking help for mental health. Irina shares her advice for Latinas in recovery who want to stay sober while embracing their culture.

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Guest Co-Host: Irina Gonzalez

Tawny's Past Life as a Zumba Instructor

Sober Latinx Celebrities

Irina's Sobriety and Latinx Articles:

Why It’s Difficult to Talk About Recovery As a Latina

How to Navigate Latinx Family Gatherings When You're Sober

5 Ways To Set Boundaries With Familia When Staying Sober

Episode 143: Episode 143: Bisexual and Booze-Free, Baby! Oct 28, 2022

The “B” in LGBTQIA+ is often seen as flaky, a phase, or promiscuous. Although we’re the largest subsect of the queer population, many bisexuals feel like they are not enough — which can impact our recovery. Tawny and special guest co-host Irina discuss how their bisexuality impacts their recovery, how they realized they were queer, and some of the bisexual characters on TV that impacted public views of bisexuality. They discuss the biggest bisexual myth: No, it’s not synonymous with polyamory. And they share how drinking impacted their views of themselves as bisexuals and how being sober has opened up their queer hearts. Finally, they share a few resources for those who think they may be bi or want to get more comfortable with their sexuality.

The Music Minute celebrates Crazy Ex Girlfriend's "Gettin' Bi" and "Heavy Boobs"

Guest Co-Host: Irina Gonzalez

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Tawny's Playboy Essay

Tawny's Sobriety & Bisexuality Essay

Irina's Sobriety & Bisexuality Essay

Bisexual Icons to follow: Zachary Zane and Yours Truly

Episode 142: Episode 142: Writing, Recovery, and Book Publishing — Oh my! Oct 21, 2022

Writing and journaling can often be a big part of our recovery — some of us feel the need to share our stories with the world (or a close few), to heal through our words, and help others through shared experiences. Tawny and special guest co-host Irina talk about how they first met (writing!), how they connected and became writing besties through working on Tawny’s book, and what that process has been like. They give an inside baseball look at the publishing industry and how long it can take between that spark of an idea and seeing your book in bookstores. And of course, they discuss the music that gets them writing. The Music Minute highlights Macklemore's "10,000 Hours" and Tawny's writing playlist on Spotify.

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Episode 141: Episode 141: ADHD Diagnosis in Recovery Oct 14, 2022

What does recovery from alcohol use disorder look like if you have Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)? Special guest co-host Irina and Tawny talk about getting a late-in-life ADHD diagnosis and how it impacts Irina’s sobriety today. They talk about the three different sub-types of ADHD, how those sub-types present differently in men vs women, and some of the most common (and uncommon!) symptoms. And Irina gives some tips for neurotypicals in love with someone who is neurodivergent. They also discuss what dopamine has to do with drinking, recovery, and ADHD.

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Guest Co-Host: Irina Gonzalez

Irina's talk on ADHD in Recovery

Episode 140: Episode 140: Special Guest Musician Eric Miranda Oct 07, 2022

And now for something completely different…Lisa chats with Eric Miranda, one of her very first and closest friends in recovery. They talk about the amazing things that can happen in sobriety, making sober friends, the importance of humor, and, of course, rock music! They also talk about food, other substances, and finding balance in recovery.

Music Minute features live music with the Rolling Stones and U2.
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Episode 139: Episode 139: Special Guest Karolina Rzadkowolska of Euphoric Sep 30, 2022

Lisa interviews Karolina Rzadkowolska, author of “Euphoric: Ditch Alcohol and Gain a Happier, More Confident You,” and a recovery coach. Like many of us, Karolina found herself in an unfulfilling career, not feeling good about herself, and drinking to mask the issues. But a break from alcohol led her to a whole new life that she now shares with others who could benefit from taking a break. She and Lisa chat about it all.

You can find all things Karolina here: https://euphoricaf.com/

Karolina’s book:

Music Minute features Portugal the Man and No Doubt.
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Episode 138: Episode 138: Special Guest Shelby John of Confident Sober Women Podcast Sep 23, 2022

With Tawny on a book hiatus, Lisa interviews Shelby John, a therapist, recovery coach, and host of the Confident Sober Women podcast. She is also the author, of “Recovering in Recovery: The Life-Changing Joy of Recovery.” Shelby focuses on issues such as facing the wreckage of the past, building confidence, and parenting in sobriety.

Music Minute features classic rock, worship music, and women rappers.

You can find Shelby here:

https://shelbyjohncoaching.com/

Confident Sober Women podcast: https://confidentsoberwomen.buzzsprout.com/
Shelby's book:
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Episode 137: Episode 137: Practicing Gratitude in Sobriety Sep 16, 2022

What does it mean to “practice” gratitude beyond the idea of just feeling #grateful? It’s about actually
taking an action. It can be looking up at the ceiling and saying “thank you” to the sky for waking
up sober, making a quick gratitude list in the morning, or countering negative thoughts with
reasons to be grateful. Over time, practicing gratitude can become another sober reflex. Having a
baseline level of gratitude helps us find it when we need it most.

Music Minute features Natalie Merchant, Alanis Morrisette, and Dido/Eminem.
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Episode 136: Episode 136: Support Groups Outside of 12-Step Sep 09, 2022

There are all kinds of ways to find support in recovery. From just following hashtags to meeting
new friends to getting more involved, opportunities are all over. Tawny and Lisa talk about several free support groups that exist that maybe you haven't heard of. They also support modes of harm reduction for anyone who can help.
Below are links to some of their favorite groups.

Music Minute/Pop Culture Minute features Hulu’s “The Bear,” which includes Al-Alon.

Check out the links below:
Al-Anon: https://al-anon.org/
Codependents Anonymous: https://coda.org/
Adult Children of Alcoholics (ACOA): https://adultchildren.org/
She Recovers: https://sherecovers.org/
Ruby Warrington (Sober Curious): http://www.rubywarrington.com/
SMART Recovery: https://www.smartrecovery.org/
Seltzer Squad: https://www.seltzersquad.com/
Big Vision: https://www.bigvision.nyc/
Road Recovery: https://roadrecovery.org/
Green Recovery and Support (GRASS): https://greenrecoverysupport.com/
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Episode 135: Episode 135: Sharing the Fact That You’re Sober Sep 02, 2022

What is it like to tell people who that you don’t drink? And when is the right time? It’s a complicated issue because there are so many layers. Everyone’s story is their own and no one else is entitled to your story. You get to choose who knows what and when. Tawny and Lisa talk about their different experiences telling family, friends, and the world about their decisions to stop drinking.
Check out Tawny’s great article on sharing your sobriety with someone you’re dating:
https://www.workithealth.com/blog/when-to-come-out-as-sober-on-a-date/

Music Minute features the Diana Ross, The Pretenders, and ‘Til Tuesday.
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Episode 134: Episode 134: Remembering Your “Why” - Why You're Not Drinking Today Aug 26, 2022

What is your “why” for not drinking and why do we have to keep it in mind? For Tawny and
Lisa, remembering their “why” when things get hard or a drink looks good, has been a lifesaver.
At the start, their reasons focused on not wanting to die and not wanting to go back to old
misery. But over time their “whys” also became about wanting to be present for the lives they
built and looking forward to the future with hope. Your reason "why" is an important tool in the Sobriety Toolbox.
Check out Tawny’s great article on the subject: https://www.workithealth.com/blog/why-quit-drinking
Music Minute features Annie Lennox, 4 Non Blondes, and No Doubt.
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Episode 133: Episode 133: Special Guest Ashley Allen, Ex-Party Girl Aug 19, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk to Ashley Allen, founder of the clothing brand Ex-Party Girl. Ashley is a
reformed party girl who started her company to negate shame from past mistakes when drinking.
Once she got sober, she realized that she was having more fun without booze than being a hot
mess, and embraced recovery. They talk about how far we can come when we put down the
bottle and how essential it is to keep a sense of humor. Ashley is living proof that there is always
hope, no matter how many times someone has relapsed in the past.
Music Minute features Katy Perry’s music and De Soi, her zero-proof aperitif.
Check out Ex-Party Girl: https://expartygirlla.com/

Giant shout out to our friend Chris Marshall of Sans Bar! Check out all the goings on here:
https://www.thesansbar.com/

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Episode 132: Episode 132: Sober Travel Aug 12, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk about how they deal with all the discomforts, big and small, that come with
traveling. Being in transit somewhere is the epitome of a situation in which we have no control
over what happens, but we do have control over how we react. They incorporate HALT (don’t
get Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired into every step). And when it comes to navigating events
like parties or weddings, they have found that in sobriety they have a lot more choices about
where they want to show up and how.
Music Minute features Billy Idol, Stone Temple Pilots, and the J. Lo and Lady Gaga
documentaries.
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Episode 131: Episode 131: Tawny and Lisa Interview Each Other Aug 05, 2022

Tawny and Lisa go off script and interview each other. It’s a lightning round, hitting on topics
from their favorite concerts and music, to the meanings of Tawny’s tattoos, to Lisa’s former
legal practice, and everything in between. They even learn a thing or two about each other. As
always, they express their gratitude for being able to find sober and meaningful lives.
Music Minute is throughout and features Buck Cherry, Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, The Who,
and many more.

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Episode 130: Episode 130: Special Guest Claire Comai from Rehab Barbie Jul 29, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk to Claire Comai, founder of Rehab Barbie designs. Her clothing and jewelry
are created to smash the stigma around recovery and to celebrate sobriety. They talk about
Claire’s story of getting sober young, taking it all one day at a time, and combining her career in
the fashion industry with her passion for connecting with others.
Music Minute features Eminem, as both an artist and sober icon.
https://rehabbarbie.com/ and @rehabbarbiestudio

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Episode 129: Episode 129: Booze-Free Dating is a Thing Jul 22, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk about a recent Hinge (yes, the dating app) survey showing that 75% of
Hinge daters say grabbing a drink is not their first date choice. Singles were more interested in
making a real connection and were also more focused on their physical and mental health.
Tawny and Lisa also talk about fun zero-proof date ideas. Think coffee on a walk, or hitting a
museum, botanical garden. Maybe even consider a booze-free night cap!

Music Minute features Taylor Swift. And a bonus Lit Minute features Tawny’s essay in the new
“Sex and the Single Woman” anthology updating Helen Gurley Brown’s 1962 “Sex and the
Single Girl.”

Read about the Hinge study

Sober date ideas from Tawny

Buy “Sex and the Single Woman”

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Episode 128: Episode 128: Special Guest Arlina Allen of One Day at a Time Podcast Jul 15, 2022

Tawny and Lisa chat with sobriety and self-esteem coach Arlina Allen, host of the One Day at a Time podcast. They talk about Arlina’s recovery story, how she started her podcast in 2016, and how she works with her coaching clients. Arlina’s approach includes making people feel seen, heard, and understood so that they can view challenges in context and move past what’s holding them back. They talk about hypnotherapy and how it can help different aspects of our lives. They also talk about addictions to achievement and self-help, which can be hard to recognize and address.

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Music Minute features Enigma, Alicia Keys, Meghan Trainor, and more.

Find Arlina at @arlinaallen at https://www.soberlifeschool.com/

Episode 127: Episode 127: Spirituality in Sobriety Jul 08, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk about what spirituality means to them. Tawny is a “spiritual skeptic” whose spirituality is about feeling connected to herself. Lisa found a higher power in AA. Both of them love incorporating tools like astrology, Tarot, and self-care rituals to reinforce their spirituality. Tawny talks about “syncretism,” pulling different aspects of religions and spiritual practices to create your own spiritual system. As with so many things, spirituality can cover anything that is meaningful to someone.

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Music Minute features REM, Kate Bush, and the comedy of George Carlin.

Episode 126: Episode 126: Summertime and More Zero-Proof Drinks Jul 01, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk about the triggers of summer – vacations, BBQs, day drinking, and the extra push to “celebrate.” For themselves, they focus on the specifics of the event or activity. Will there be an actual activity or are people inviting us to just watch them drink? If the latter, Hard pass! They also talk about zero-proof drinks, a choice they love for anyone who is comfortable with them. Tawny goes through some fantastic new discounts on certain beverages for listeners (listed below).

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Music Minute features Katy Perry, Talking Heads, Stone Temple Pilots, and “mondegreen” (the mishearing of song lyrics).

Episode 125: Episode 125: Tawny’s Upcoming Book DRY HUMPING! Jun 24, 2022

Tawny got a book deal!! She and Lisa are excited AF. DRY HUMPING, out September 2023, is a booze-free guide to sex, dating, and relationships. She and Lisa dig in about Tawny’s process, what emotions have come up, and how she’s handling them. They also talk about the challenge to balance writing (or other things they love) with the rest of their lives, the drive to help the next person, and the importance of celebrating themselves in sobriety.

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Music Minute includes finding inspiration in music, including Jim Morrison, Talking Heads, Ke$ha, Miley Cyrus, and Harry Styles.

Episode 124: Episode 124: Is Sobriety a Skill? Jun 17, 2022

A listener wrote to ask Tawny, “Is sobriety a skill?” Tawny and Lisa say yes. It’s a skill they develop, practice daily, keep fresh, and try to grow from. But it’s also a skill that, like strength and endurance at the gym, disappears if we stop working it. That’s why they use the tools in their sobriety toolkits, like exercise, connecting with others in recovery, meditation, and, for Lisa, the 12 Steps. It’s also why they both say that they are “in recovery” and not “recovered.”

Music Minute includes Metallica, Pitbull, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
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Episode 123: Episode 123: Technology/Social Media Addiction Update Jun 10, 2022

The last time Tawny and Lisa talked about technology and social media addiction was pre-pandemic. The problem has gotten worse since but the core problems remain the same. Many of us are constantly drawn to our phones, whether checking for social media updates, new texts and emails, or to stream. They talk about their own struggles in this area, including attempts to . reduce, moderate, or abstain from technology apps. These habits are hard to break. But there’s help! Internet Addicts Anonymous (ITAA) has a lot of great information that can be engaged with on many different levels.

Music Minute features Bo Burnham.

Internet and Technology Addicts Anonymous: internetaddictsanonymous.org

How to Break Up with Your Phone: https://phonebreakup.com/

24/6 Giving Up Screens One Day a Week: https://www.tiffanyshlain.com/24-6book
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Episode 122: Episode 122: Look Back But Don’t Stare Jun 03, 2022

It started when Tawny sent Lisa a Facebook memory of Tawny getting kicked out of a Blue Oyster Cult concert. They decided they had much to discuss on this topic! The conversation includes acknowledging the past but not dwelling on it, not beating themselves up about things they’ve done, and not being driven by shame or regret. Lisa talks about resentments and making amends in 12-Step. And they both agree that they wouldn’t be where they are today without those low moments that lead to growth.

Music Minute features Rod Stewart, Def Leppard.
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Episode 121: Episode 121: Special Guest Irina Gonzalez – Pandemic Drinking and Sobriety May 27, 2022

Tawny and Lisa chat with Irina Gonzalez, an editor and a freelance writer covering parenting, recovery, and Latinx culture. She also hosts the podcast, Pandemic Mama. The conversation includes the impact of the pandemic on women and caretakers in general, with more anxiety and uncertainty leading to more self-medicating with substances and behaviors. They talk about stigma, mental health diagnoses, and implications of the terminology we use.

Music Minute features Hamilton, Demi Lovato, and Meghan Trainor.

All about Irina: http://irinagonzalez.com/

Pandemic Mama podcast: http://irinagonzalez.com/pandemicmamapod/

On IG @msirinagonzalez
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Episode 120: Episode 120: Special Guest Casey Davidson of Hello Someday May 20, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk with Casey Davidson, of Hello Someday Coaching and the Hello Someday podcast. She’s a certified life coach and a Master Practitioner in Core Energy Leadership, who helps other successful women reevaluate their relationship with alcohol, get out of overwhelm, and create lives they love. They talk about the anxiety, imposter syndrome, secrets, and hiding that come along with the spiral downward into problematic drinking. And how that cycle can be broken with honesty and community to build a life you feel good about.

Music Minute features Gym Class Heroes.

Find Casey here: hellosomedaycoaching.com
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Episode 119: Episode 119: Special Guest Pam Gaslow – Author of Don’t Bring Your Vibrator to Rehab May 13, 2022

Tawny and Lisa chat with Pam Gaslow, whose new memoir, Don’t Bring Your Vibrator to Rehab, chronicles her relapse after nearly a decade of sobriety, as well as her recovery from that experience. They talk about saying goodbye to alcohol and drugs, the money we save, sober dating, and coming back to recovery after relapse. The bottom line is that recovery is a journey and there can be relapse along the way. What matters is that we come back to ourselves and our recovery.

Music Minute features Afroman, Glass Animals, and the wonders of the Shazam app.

Check the book: https://www.discoverbooks.com/Dont-Bring-Your-Vibrator-to-Rehab-A-Somewhat-Com-p/0578950049.htm?cond=0005

More about Pam: pamgaslow.com @pamgaslow
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Episode 118: Episode 118: Special Guest Beth Lapides May 06, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk with Beth Lapides, the creator and host of Los Angeles' groundbreaking alternative comedy show, UnCabaret, where marginalized performers and their allies have told personal, unscripted stories for more than 25 years. She’s now out with an audiobook, So You Need to Decide, speaking with celebrities about difficult decisions they've made in the areas of family, work, love, moving, and spirituality. They talk about recovery, yoga, and the fact that “you can only know what you know when you know it.”

Music Minute features Natasha Beddingfield and Cyndi Lauper.

For more about Beth and her new audiobook, So You Need to Decide: https://www.bethlapides.com/

Check out the recent profile of Beth in Vulture: https://www.vulture.com/article/beth-lapides-uncabaret-good-one-podcast.html
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Episode 117: Episode 117: Special Guest Deni Carise, Ph.D. Apr 29, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk with Deni Carise, Ph.D., a founder and the Chief Science Officer of Recovery Centers of America (RCA). Tawny recently met Deni at RCA’s Break Free sober fashion event (yes, a sober fashion event!). At 18, Deni left home to pursue modeling and fell into cocaine addiction. Once she got sober, Deni went back to community college and chased her studies the way she had chased her addiction. Throughout her career, she has helped people all over the world find treatment and recovery. And to cap it off, she finally got to walk the runway at New York Fashion Week!

Music Minute features Freddy Mercury and Queen. The girls also share controversial music takes.

More about Deni: https://recoverycentersofamerica.com/leadership/team/#DeniCarise,Ph.D

Check out RCA: https://recoverycentersofamerica.com/
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Episode 116: Episode 116: Special Guest Katie Mack – Creator/Producer of F*cking Sober Podcast Apr 22, 2022

Katie Mack is a groundbreaking sober creative and the Creator/Producer of F*cking Sober: the first 90 days podcast, which won the 2021 Webby Award for Best Writing and was nominated for Best Limited Series. Tawny and Lisa talked with her about Season 2 of F*cking Sober as well as future seasons. Mack’s mission is to spotlight sober voices that break stereotypes and defy our expectations of “sober people.” They talk community, connection, and the power of our stories to help each other.

Music Minute features the incredible sober musicians who create the soundtrack to F*cking Sober podcast.

Check out F*cking Sober: www.fckingsoberpodcast.com

Learn all about Mack here: www.mackstage.com

Episode 115: Episode 115: Sponsors in 12-Step and Support in Other Sobriety Communities Apr 15, 2022

Tawny and Lisa tackle a question from a listener: “How do you get a sponsor if you’re not in AA?” For those in recovery outside AA, and for sober-curious people doing dry months and otherwise cutting back or quitting alcohol, having an accountability partner and/or sober community is essential. Lisa talks through what an AA sponsor is and isn’t, as well as what a recovery coach does. Tawny notes the importance of therapy for those who have access, but peer support for anyone and everyone regardless. Resources are listed below.

Music Minute features Bono and Gwen Stefani.

Check out some of Recovery Rocks’ favorite sober and sober-curious communities:

Tempest: https://jointempest.com/

Ruby Warrington’s Sober Curious: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sobercuriousbook

Sober Black Girls Club: https://www.facebook.com/groups/SBGirlsC

Seltzer Squad Support: https://www.facebook.com/groups/320391232214297/?ref=pages_group_cta

She Recovers Together: https://www.facebook.com/groups/394380537687492

She Recovers Support for Black, Indigenous, & Women of Color: https://www.facebook.com/groups/SHERECOVERSSupportBIWOC

The Luckiest Club: https://www.facebook.com/theluckiestclub
This episode is sponsored by the amazing folks at Soberlink! soberlink.com/partners/recovery-rocks

Episode 114: Episode 114: Special Guest Robin McIntosh of Workit Health Apr 08, 2022

Robin McIntosh is the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Workit Health, which offers clinically-proven virtual care for substance use, mental health, and co-occurring disorders. Tawny and Lisa talked all about it with her. WorkIt is simply premised on one person helping another person. They have worked hard to make their services as accessible as possible, including rolling out programs covered by private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, and MediCal. Workit Health is groundbreaking in providing access to these services to underserved populations. Tawny and Lisa also love that Workit Health is truly oriented around each member. They incorporate real-world solutions including harm reduction.

Music Minute features Doja Cat, Led Zeppelin, Velvet Underground, and Tom Petty

https://www.workithealth.com/

Episode 113: Episode 113: Breaking Up with The Beatles and Other Obsessions Apr 01, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk about the recent op-ed piece in The New York Times, “We Can’t Work It Out: Why I Finally Broke Up with The Beatles,” by Josh Max. In the column, Josh compares his attachment to The Beatles to the attachments many of us have with the substances we abused. In fact, Tawny analogized it to her past obsession with Jim Morrison. We can lose part of our identities when we become addicted to others, but once we step back, we not only can see our “idols” as human but also better appreciate ourselves for the people we are, imperfections and all.

This episode is sponsored by the amazing folks at Soberlink! soberlink.com/partners/recovery-rocks

Music Minute features Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger, and Anthony Kiedis.

Read the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/opinion/the-beatles-music.html

Episode 112: Episode 112: Special Guest Simone Finch – Creator and Executive Producer of SINGLE DRUNK FEMALE Mar 25, 2022

Simone Finch is the creator and executive producer of the Freeform/Hulu semi-autobiographical dramedy SINGLE DRUNK FEMALE. The show happens to be Tawny’s and Lisa’s current obsession. They were thrilled to chat with Simone about how the show came about and how its stories and characters hit home. With honesty and humor, the show lays bare the challenges and triumphs of sobriety, including friendships and the people we meet along the way, the ability to actually do the things we only talked about when we were drinking, and the joy of not being the hot mess in the room anymore.

Music Minute features Miley Cyrus and The Doors.

Check out SINGLE DRUNK FEMALE: https://www.freeform.com/shows/single-drunk-female

Episode 111: Episode 111: Special Guest David Odyssey Mar 18, 2022

David Odyssey is a writer, editor, performer, diviner, and cosmic being, who also happens to be sober. And he’s an incredible new friend of the podcast! Tawny and Lisa are taking a Tarot class with him and he has read their birth and sober birth (yes, “sober birth!”) charts. Coming from a non-prescriptive place, David explains how astrology and Tarot can be used as more information or another tool to consider and potentially guide us. Tawny and Lisa love how these practices are also reminders that we are not the center of the universe or always in control.

Music Minute features Annie Lennox (a major Capricorn- Bowie, Sade, FKA Twigs)!

Book a Reading with David Odyssey
This episode is sponsored by the amazing folks at Soberlink! soberlink.com/partners/recovery-rocks

Episode 110: Episode 110: Sober Sex Event Recap Mar 11, 2022

Tawny hosted her first in-person event since the pandemic started in collaboration with the folks at Minus Moonshine, Her Highness, Crisp & Crude! Both she and Lisa have missed being in rooms with people and the energy and good feeling that comes with them. Tawny’s event was an honest, interactive discussion about sober sex, including how to go on a date without drinking, ask for what you want sexually, and find confidence by acknowledging your own bravery in not drinking.

Music Minute features Talking Heads, Paul Simon, and Crisp and Crude’s Spotify playlist

Check out Minus Moonshine, the zero-proof bottle shop in Brooklyn

Check out Crisp&Crude beverages and save 20% with the discount code SOBERSEX

Check out Her Highness NYC

Check out therapist Mike Rosen

Episode 109: Episode 109: Anxiety and Panic Attacks Mar 04, 2022

Tawny and Lisa both deal with anxiety disorder and, like so many of us, sometimes experience panic attacks. In this episode, they talk about how they handle them in the moment, including through mindfulness, breathwork, and, where appropriate, medication. To proactively lessen their day-to-day anxiety they incorporate yoga, intentionality, and scaling back on news and social media. Especially in those 3 a.m. wide-awake moments, tools are critical to changing the channel in their heads.

Music Minute features Bo Burnham and Eminem.

Check out “In Praise of Slowness” by Carl Honore

Episode 108: Episode 108: Sex and the City…and Sobriety Feb 25, 2022

The “Sex and the City” reboot, “And Just Like That…,” examines Miranda’s struggle with drinking. Tawny and Lisa have thoughts on a portrayal that hits home in many ways. They were both excited to see their friend Holly Whitaker’s empowering book, “Quit Like a Woman,” featured for those considering putting down the booze. In a show about women’s friendships, depicting what they do to support Miranda is so important. Tawny and Lisa also discuss last season’s Christmas Eve episode of “Euphoria” as one of the most powerful portrayals of addiction and sobriety they’ve seen.

Music Minute features 1998 classics, including Madonna, Lauryn Hill, and Hole.

Episode 107: Episode 107: You Don't Need to Hit Rock Bottom Feb 18, 2022

Tawny and Lisa discuss Tawny’s article in Tempest, “Do I Need to Hit ‘Rock Bottom’ Before Quitting Alcohol?” The answer is no! You don’t have lose everything – or anything – to decide that alcohol isn’t working. For Tawny, it was getting in the way of being the version of herself she wanted to be. It was more like an “AHA” moment. For Lisa, it took actually thinking she was going die in the moment if she didn’t do something. For either of them, though, alcohol use could have led to an accidental or early death. It’s important not to compare ourselves with others when considering “how bad” it has to be to quit. The question is whether life could be better without it.

Music Minute features the Rolling Stones, the B-52s; and Jackson Browne.

https://jointempest.com/resources/rock-bottom-quitting-alcohol/

Episode 106: Episode 106: Little Sips and Bites Feb 11, 2022

What happens when you take a sip of your club soda with lime and realize it’s got vodka in it? Or you bite into a chocolate and realize your mouth is full of the liquor it’s filled with? Tawny and Lisa talk about these accidents, which are distinctly different from a slip or a relapse. It’s all about intent. An accidental sip or bite isn’t a relapse but they pay attention to whether it triggers them or takes them back to the bad old days. Which is why it’s always good to be vigilant and acknowledge how it feels. As the article below points out, even everyday foods, herbs, and juices can have some trace alcohol.

Music Minute features The Banana Splits and No Doubt.

Article on ethanol exposure in food: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5421578/

The Banana Splits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMl6HnhFFIA

Episode 105: Episode 105: Skincare & Sobriety Feb 04, 2022

Tawny and Lisa talk about #skincare, the giant online conversation about skincare routines. Tawny’s article for Mic, “The Best Skincare Routine is Sobriety,” lays out the truth about the damage alcohol does to our skin (not to mention the rest of our bodies). Having better skin is just one of the unanticipated benefits of sobriety. And having a skincare routine that doesn’t include waking up in last night’s makeup is one more way Tawny and Lisa take care of themselves in ways that never happened in their drinking days. They also talk about keeping their routines affordable.

Tawny’s choice is WLDKAT skincare, a vegan line incorporating CBD - https://wldkat.com/

Read Tawny’s article here: https://www.mic.com/life/what-does-alcohol-do-to-your-skin-77026937

Episode 104: Episode 104: Special Guest Swan Huntley, author of GETTING CLEAN WITH STEVIE GREEN Jan 28, 2022

Swan Huntley is the author of the new book GETTING CLEAN WITH STEVIE GREEN, a novel about one woman’s messy (and very funny) journey from self-delusion to self-acceptance. Lisa couldn’t put the book down and talked to Swan, who’s been sober for 11 years, all about it. They covered the humor we find in our stories, letting go of trying to control all we encounter, and learning to be kind to ourselves, as well as how there is no right or wrong way to recover.

Music Minute features classic Counting Crows.

You can find Swan’s writing and more here: https://www.swanhuntley.com/

Episode 103: Episode 103: Welcome to 2022! Jan 21, 2022

New Year, same pandemic. Tawny and Lisa talk about the keeping sane in a continuing crazy time. One key is not putting pressure on themselves with New Year’s resolutions or other vows to “fix” things. Even something like meditating can become a stressor if the pressure to do it is amped up. It’s all about progress, not perfection, and staying in the day. They also talk about the fun they’re having taking an online Tarot class together. There’s joy to be found in sharing hobbies that don’t feel like “work.”

Music Minute features Stevie Nicks, Fleetwood Mac, and Season of the Witch.
Sponsor: soberlink.com

Episode 102: Episode 102: Special Guest Shahjehan Khan – KING OF THE WORLD Podcast Jan 14, 2022

Shahjehan Khan is the creator and host of KING OF THE WORLD, a riveting, bingeable podcast about his experience as a Pakistani American Muslim teenager who comes of age post 9/11. He also happens to be 11 years sober and a member of an internationally renowned punk rock band! Shahjehan talks with Lisa about all of this and more, including stigma, relationships with family and friends, and all the possibilities a sober life can offer.

You can find Shahjehan here: https://www.shahjehankhan.com/

KING OF THE WORLD podcast: https://www.rifelion.com/shows/kingoftheworld

Episode 101: Episode 101: Special guest Amanda White, @therapyforwomen Jan 07, 2022

Amanda’s book, Not Drinking Tonight launched this week, and Tawny and Lisa were thrilled to talk all about it with her. Amanda is a therapist behind the insanely popular Instagram account, @therapyforwomen. The book goes far beyond how to stop drinking. It addresses the history of stress, addiction switching, recovery strategies, drinking culture, how our biology fits in, and much more. Not just for sober folks, the book will help anyone weighing the risks and benefits of drinking.

Buy Not Drinking Tonight here: https://www.hachettego.com/titles/amanda-e-white-lpc/not-drinking-tonight/9781549136344/

Music Minute featured Taylor Swift and Amanda’s Tik Tok!

Episode 100: Episode 100: Our 100th Episode! Dec 17, 2021

Tawny and Lisa celebrate 100 episodes of Recovery Rocks! They talk about how the show
started, how it’s evolved, and how much joy it brings them. What began on a big, red couch in
New York City has gone bi-coastal and virtual. They extend a special thanks and appreciation to
all the listeners who have made continuing this podcast possible.
Music Minute features that that time Tawny and Lisa went to a Rolling Stones show, Red Hot
Chili Peppers, and Bo Burnham.

Episode 99: Episode 99: Finding and Loving Hobbies Dec 10, 2021

In sobriety, life can get big. Tawny and Lisa talk about using their newfound time to do things
both fun and cathartic. Hobbies can be tools in working out energy, anger, and difficult
emotions in recovery. But they should also be activities you enjoy without necessarily having a
goal. Whether it’s crafty, cerebral, outdoorsy, or experimental, hobbies are a great way to enjoy
new ideas and adventures that weren’t possible when so much of their time was spent drinking
or hungover.
Music Minute features getting out there to see live music, as well as listening to and learning
about old favorites and new artists.
https://www.thediscoveryhouse.com/new-diversions-9-unique-hobbies-for-recovering-addicts/

Episode 98: Episode 98: Destination Addiction Dec 03, 2021

Destination addiction is the addiction to the idea that if a certain future event or circumstance
occurs, life’s problems will be solved. Tawny and Lisa talk about these thoughts (for example, “if
I just lose 10 pounds, all will be right in the world”) and addiction to self-improvement. At
times, they have both aspired to some idealized, unrealistic version of themselves. But they
now try to live in the present so that life doesn’t pass them by.
Music Minute features Bleachers and John Lennon.
http://recoverycampus.com/destination-addiction/

Episode 97: Episode 97: The Money We Save Not Buying Booze Nov 26, 2021

Money is often a taboo topic but it’s a significant issue in recovery. The good news is that the
money we used to spend on alcohol and all that goes with it (hello, late night tacos) can be
spent productively and in fun ways. Tawny and Lisa discuss Tawny’s article in The Temper
(linked below) outlining how we can invest in ourselves in recovery. Whether it’s for paying
down debt, paying for luxuries small and large, or investing for the future, not wasting money
on drinks is a gift of recovery.
Music Minute features Janis Joplin, Dire Straits, and Pink Floyd
https://www.thetemper.com/new-ways-to-save-or-spend-the-money-not-used-on-booze/

Episode 96: Episode 96: No One Cares Nov 19, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk about why and how to stop focusing so much on other people’s opinions, real and imagined. An article in The Atlantic entitle, “No One Cares” (linked below), provides a great framework for this. People aren’t thinking about us nearly as much as we think they are. Internalizing this fact can be liberating in all kinds of way, including breaking imposter syndrome and handling panic attacks.

Music Minute features Demi Lovato/Cher Lloyd, Courtney Barnett, Nirvana, and Talking Heads.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/11/how-stop-caring-what-other-people-think-you/620670/

Episode 95: Episode 95: Dry Months: Sober October and Dry January Nov 13, 2021

With Sober October over and Dry January around the corner, Tawny and Lisa talk about these annual challenges. Perfect for the sober curious (and the sober-curious curious!), Tawny reads from her article about “sober tourism,” a phrase she contributed to the vernacular! A month off can provide the opportunity someone needs to look at why they drink and why they decided to take the challenge. Tawny’s tips help folks navigate dry months while still being respectful of folks who commit to a lifestyle of sobriety…one day at a time.

Tawny’s Sober Tourism Article: https://www.thetemper.com/try-recovery-without-sober-tourist/

Tawny’s How To Instagram Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CUm6Tb5gXSs/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Music Minute goes old-school with Madonna and The Go-Gos.

Episode 94: Episode 94: Here Come the Holidays Nov 05, 2021

Are they really here already? Tawny and Lisa talk about gearing up emotionally for the holiday season. With everyone coming from a different pandemic experience, it’s going to be challenge. Tawny and Lisa plan to manage their energy budgets and not say “yes” to everything.

Lisa is gifting people Zero Proof beverages this year. Also please consider supporting some of Recovery Rock’s favorite sober entrepreneurs this holiday season: (I think you said you had a link that compiled these? Also do you want to link to the NA wine you have a coupon code for?)

Music Minute features Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Adam Sandler, Lindsey Buckingham, and Lady Gaga.

Episode 93: Episode 93: When You Want to Help Someone Who Doesn’t Want Help Oct 29, 2021

Lisa and Tawny talk about their experiences trying to help and support others who don’t want help. Groups like Ala-non, ACOA, and CODA, support people impacted by someone in their life who is struggling with any kind of disorder. No one can want recovery for someone more than that person wants it. Humility, boundaries, self-care, and meeting the person where they are all required.

Helpful links:

Adult Children of Alcoholics

Al-anon

Codependents Anonymous

Music Minute features the Rolling Stones, The Cure, and The Cult.

Episode 92: Episode 92: Alcohol and the Workplace Oct 22, 2021

Big shout out to our listener Andy who floated the topic of dealing with the ubiquity of alcohol in
the workplace! Tawny and Lisa talk about how the “let’s grab drinks after work,” or “work
hard/play hard” culture is problematic with respect to physical and mental health. They share tips on how to be inclusive, by offering booze-free bonding opportunities for colleagues. Change is certainly possible but the message must come from the top.
Music Minute features Rihanna, Fifth Harmony, Izzy Azalea, and yes, Guns ‘n Roses.

Episode 91: Episode 91: Sober Celebrities Oct 15, 2021

Sober celebrities can be a source of inspiration, providing an example to relate to in similar
struggles, not to mention de-stigmatizing and normalizing substance use disorders, which saves
lives. Those in 12-step have a different perspective on going public. Tawny and Lisa discuss
sober celebrities from their individual perspectives and dig in on the ones they love – many of
whom aren’t sober or in recovery but have simply chosen an alcohol-free lifestyle!

Episode 90: Episode 90: It’s Never Too Soon to Ask for Help Oct 08, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk about how whether you’re choosing sobriety or sober curious, it’s never
too soon to connect with a community and peer support (even as a lurker). Tawny shares the
story of her first sober year, which she did on her own. Instead of sober buddies she leaned on
family and friends who were not the best qualified to help. No matter where you’re at on this
journey there are bound to be others navigating their way, too. You never have to go it alone!
Music Minute features The Beatles, Grateful Dead, and Soul Asylum.

Episode 89: Episode 89: Special Guest Anna David Talks About the Re-Release of Her Novel, Party Girl! Oct 01, 2021

Lisa has been fan-girling Anna David for many years and now she and Tawny call her their friend.
Anna joined the show to talk about the relaunch of her book, Party Girl, which was at the
forefront of the #quitlit genre. It’s the book that taught Lisa that the cool kids get sober! The
discussion covers the changes in recovery over the years, breaking ground, and putting yourself
out there. Come for the recovery tips, stay for the rock star hook-up stories!
Music Minute features Third-Eye Blind, Hinder, and Taylor Swift.

Episode 88: Episode 88: Emotional Hangovers Sep 24, 2021

After emotionally intense times, such as traveling, spending time with family, holidays, or big events, Tawny and Lisa can feel exhausted and maybe a little cranky – almost like they used to feel after drinking. These are “emotional hangovers,” when our emotional juice has been depleted. Tawny expresses it as having an “emotional budget,” the amount of feeling and thought we have to expend. Life keeps happening so it’s important to budget your emotional juice to the extent you can. Self-care is critical

Music Minutes features Jackson Browne, the BeeGees, Destiny’s Child, and the Rolling Stones (RIP Charlie Watts)

Episode 87: Episode 87: Our Sobriety Toolboxes Sep 17, 2021

Tawny and Lisa break down what a sobriety toolbox actually is to them, both a maintenance kit and something to grab onto in break-glass moments. Tawny’s kit includes therapy, medication, self-care, and “silliness.” Lisa does the same and also talked about her higher power and doing service. As always, connection and communication with sober friends and community is key. Tawny notes Johann Hari, who said “the opposite of addiction is…human connection.”

Music Minute changes it up with bedtime stories from Rege-Jean Paul, Harry Styles, and Matthew McConaughey to relax. Tawny discusses her love for her record player and vintage magazines.

Episode 86: Episode 86: Finding Friendships in Sobriety Sep 10, 2021

Like so many people, Tawny and Lisa worried about how they’d fit in with their friends after getting sober. (Tawny’s recent article on the topic for Tempest is linked below.) They have seen true friends vs. drinking buddies for what they are, and learned to let go of toxic friendships. They also have found new friendships, including their own, that wouldn’t exist without sobriety. They also share tips for how to make friends in sobriety while following personal interests and trying new things.

Music Minutes features Spice Girls, Jack Johnson, and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

https://www.jointempest.com/resource/will-i-lose-friends-if-I-quit-drinking

Episode 85: Episode 85: Sober Dating and Sour Humanoids with special guest, Nick Sep 03, 2021

Tawny’s partner Nick joins the conversation to talk sober dating, the importance of dating yourself, and their meet-cute moment. They also dig into how sobriety lets us discover and pursue interests old and new, which can even lead to a new career. Nick has taken his experience as a sommelier to launch his own line of artisanal vinegar, Sour Humanoid! Come for the cooking tips, stay for the Music Minute featuring Apex Twin, Bach, and learning how to appreciate *all* types of music genres.

Sour Humanoid Vinegar

Instagram

TikTok

Episode 84: Episode 84: Our Love/Hate Relationship with Meditation Aug 27, 2021

Like so many people, Tawny and Lisa have struggled with meditation. The idea of sitting with your breath without sitting in your thoughts sounds great but is tough to do. Taking the pressure off meditation helps. There’s no right or wrong way to do it. You can just show up for it the same way you show up for other things like exercise or a hobby. Music Minute includes Biet Simkin (www.bietsimkin.com) and Steely Dan.

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG: @sober_dating

Episode 83: Episode 83: Acknowledging the Wins Aug 20, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk about the importance of giving themselves credit for the good things they do, big and small, in sobriety – not always focusing on what they could have done better. Achievements look different for everyone on different days. Sometimes just getting a sober head to the pillow that night is cause for celebration. While Tawny has celebrated with a sequin bodysuit, Lisa opted for a peace sign necklace. Music Minute features T-Pain and Prince.

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG: @sober_dating

Episode 82: Episode 82: Special Guests Kathy and Morgan from the Sober Dating App Aug 13, 2021

Kathy and Morgan are the mother/daughter team behind podcast sponsor Sober Dating. They talk about how they turned this genius idea into a new app with features designed for the best matches and fewest awkward moments. Tawny and Lisa ask, “Where was this when we were single?” They also talk about Morgan’s mommy blog (www.liliesandlambs.com/) that started with her struggles around infertility but also covers “mommy wine” culture. Music Minute includes Matoma, Dolly Parton, and “Body” by Maggie Rogers.

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG: @sober_dating

Episode 81: Episode 81: When We Struggle in Sobriety Aug 06, 2021

Tawny and Lisa go back to basics to talk about how they deal with triggers in sobriety, including those that pop up coming out of the pandemic. Spoiler alert: tools include connecting, avoiding isolation, and talking to ourselves with the compassion we would show a friend. Put down the bat (unless you’re in a rage room) and be gentle with yourself. Music Minute features Limp Bizkit, the Halston soundtrack, Bo Burnham, and Tom Petty.

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG: @sober_dating

Episode 80: Episode 80: The Truth About Binge Drinking Jul 30, 2021

The U.S. CDC defines binge drinking as four drinks for a woman or five drinks for a man over a two-hour period. That sounds like a pre-party to a lot of big drinkers. But after a while, it stops looking “cute” and starts looking like a problem. Tawny and Lisa talk about how our culture has normalized, glorified, and encouraged binge drinking despite its dangers. Music Minute features George Thorogood and Donna Summer.

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG: @sober_dating

Episode 79: Episode 79: Sex and Love Addiction with Special Guest Brianne Davis Jul 23, 2021

Brianne Davis, author of the novel “Secret Life of a Hollywood Sex and Love Addict,” joins Tawny and Lisa to talk about this often-misunderstood addiction. It’s not the stereotype of compulsive sex with strangers. It’s like any other addiction, impacting women and non-binary folks as well as men. Brianne talks about recovery and how it can lead to healthy romantic relationships. Tawny talks about “limerence,” unrequited, obsessive thoughts and fantasies about an idealized partner. Music Minute features Noah Cyrus and Avett Brothers.

Follow Brianne on IG: @thebriannedavis

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG at @sober_dating

Episode 78: Episode 78: Language of Sobriety/Recovery Jul 16, 2021

With the explosion of conversation around sobriety and recovery, the words we use to describe elements of it can get confusing. Self-confessed “word nerd” Tawny raises some specific terms that she and Lisa dig into, including sober curious, gray-area drinking, AF, zero proof, harm reduction, alt-sober, Cali sober, one day at a time, and life on life’s terms. Like so much, these words mean different things to people. Whatever works for someone is all good! Music Minute features deep cuts from Berlin, Extreme, and Missing Persons.

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG at @sober_dating

Episode 77: Episode 77: Special Guest Alysse Bryson, The Sober Curator Jul 09, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk with Alysse, founder of The Sober Curator, SOBER POP, and all kinds of sober lifestyle and community connections. Alysse coined #sobrietyisthenewglutenfree and the ladies are all in! It’s a healthy lifestyle full of options for anyone who wants it, no questions asked. She’s got all the social media networks covered! Music Minute features a can’t-miss Tupac concert story and the great Coldplay/U2/Radiohead debate.

Follow Alysse on IG at @thesobercurator.

This episode is sponsored by our favorite new app, Sober Dating.

Preorder here (The first 1,000 pre-orders get six months FREE!)

Follow them on IG: @sober_dating

Episode 76 – Forgiving Ourselves and Others (Part 2) Jun 25, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk further on forgiveness, particularly owning their own mistakes. They try to avoid ruminating and choose to “look back, but not stare.” They also talk about imposter syndrome and understanding that they’re not unique. Music Minute includes “Let It Go” from “Frozen” and all the fantastic takes on “The Weight.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph1GU1qQ1zQ

Episode 75 – Forgiving Ourselves and Others (Part 1) Jun 18, 2021

In what became a two-part conversation, Tawny and Lisa take on this big topic. Forgiveness can bring peace when and if the time is right. And there is support because they never do any of this alone. They talk Al-Anon and the movie “6 Balloons.” Elton John makes his first Music Minute appearance.
https://al-anon.org/
https://www.netflix.com/title/80130625

Episode 74 – Investing in Ourselves and What’s Possible Jun 11, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk about investing time, energy, and sometimes resources in things that bring them joy. For Tawny, it led to a Webby Award for the “F*cking Sober” podcast! All by being open to new ideas and projects. Lisa learns how to pronounce “Tarot” correctly. Music Minute ranges from Pink Floyd to Donna Summer on time and money.
https://fckingsoberpodcast.com/

Episode 73 - Sober Summer Jun 04, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk about summer excitement but there are still big pandemic issues affecting all of us. An article in The Atlantic captured the new depression/anxiety many people feel. And Tawny’s got a perfect book recommendation. Music Minute features a throwback disco from Ryan Murphy’s latest masterpiece, “Halston” on Netflix.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/05/pandemic-trauma-summer/618934/
https://www.amazon.com/Set-Boundaries-Find-Peace-Reclaiming/dp/0593192095/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1622071026&sr=8-1

Episode 72 – Talking to Friends and Family About Your Drinking May 28, 2021

Tawny talks about her recent interview with WebMD.com about these often-tricky conversations. This discussion has gone mainstream! Music Minute features a Gin Blossoms favorite and Counting Crows.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/features/talking-family-friends

Episode 71 – Our Favorite NA Drinks May 21, 2021

As the sober world continues to evolve, so does the drink market. This episode celebrates Tawny's favorite NA beers, wines, liquors, and other fun booze-free drink options while Lisa shares her apprehension with certain NA drinks. Together, they have a great convo about the vastly expanding NA drink market and how that impacts the recovery community. The Music Minute goes to "Alcohol" by The Barenaked Ladies, a warning that it’s easy to go too far with booze.

Episode 70 – Missing our Music May 14, 2021

Tawny and Lisa discuss how they have drifted away from their regular music listening during the pandemic. A big reason for that has been content overload and the feeling that they should always be listening to a podcast or an audiobook to be learning something new. But now they realize finding joy in music, whether it’s old favorites or some new tunes, is essential to their recovery. They cover everything from Dua Lipa to Kate Bush to Guns ‘n Roses.

Episode 69 – Food Issues May 07, 2021

Lisa talks about how she’s been struggling with her eating through COVID and Tawny talks about her relationship with food. As with any other substance, they agree that it’s important to look at why their eating can feel disordered at times. And to give themselves grace and compassion when those struggles come up. Music Minute includes Halsey’s “Nightmare” and Silverchair’s “Ana’s Song.”

Episode 68 – Harm Reduction with guest Jen Elizabeth Apr 30, 2021

Recovery advocate, survivor, writer, and overall rock star Jen Elizabeth (@resurrektion_of_me on social) talks with Tawny and Lisa about harm reduction: what it is and why it’s saving lives. They delve into the stigma that needs to be broken around harm reduction, including in the recovery community. They also talk about the work of Dr. Carl Hart and community organizations like The Sidewalk Project.

Episode 67 - Life After Vax Apr 23, 2021

Tawny and Lisa talk about getting their COVID vaccines and revisit their earlier concerns about agoraphobia as we start to return to something like normal. The good news is neither of them are experiencing significant fears going back out into the world. Tawny talks about reading, "How to Talk to a Science Denier" and the concern around living in different realities. Music Minute features Dolly Parton’s “Vaccine (from “Jolene”) and Dashboard Confessional’s “Vaccinated” (from “Vindicated”). And live music will be the order of the day this summer!

66 - What Lies Beneath Mar 12, 2021

TW: Heavy content. Tawny and Lisa talk about Lisa’s search for whether trauma underlies her substance use disorder. They talk about nightmares, looking back at the past, and looking forward.
Music Minute: Tawny recommends “Beautiful Trauma” by Pink and Lisa discusses “Dreams” by Fleetwood Mac.

65 - Relapse Mar 05, 2021

Relapse is a common conversation in the recovery community. Tawny and Lisa discuss how relapse isn’t black and white, especially for folks in recovery from eating disorders, sex addiction, or other behaviors. When it comes to Netflix binges or online shopping, it can be a fine line between self-care and unhealthy escapism, but Tawny and Lisa share tips on how to distinguish between the two.
Music Minute: The girls share their favorite Bruce Springsteen songs

64 - No Shame in the Medication Game Feb 26, 2021

Tawny and Lisa open up about their journeys to getting on medication for depression and anxiety. This conversation is a classic example of how everyone’s recovery journey is unique and always evolving. The two also stress the value of taking mental health days at work.
Music Minute: Alanis Morrisette’s “Smiling” and their eternal crush on Pete Davidson.

63 - When Your Partner Isn’t Sober Feb 19, 2021

Kate from Seltzer Squad podcast joins Tawny and Lisa as they discuss what it’s like to have a partner who still drinks alcohol. Kate and Lisa talk about having partners who are “normies” with alcohol. They also discuss protecting their own recoveries and finding their voices in conversations with their partners.

62 - Always Feeling Behind/Playing Catchup Feb 12, 2021

In sobriety, it’s common to feel like we’re constantly making up for the time we wasted while we were getting wasted. Lisa and Tawny bond over the feeling of constantly feeling like they’re behind, which leads to feeling exhausted from trying to play catch up.

Episode 61: Welcome to 2021! Feb 05, 2021

Lisa and Tawny revisit their reasons for getting sober and how they channeled creativity in their recovery. Lisa wrote a book, Tawny became a freelance writer/blogger, and they started this podcast! The two also discuss the role that “liquid courage” played in their drinking lives and how they found confidence in sobriety.
The Music Minute features “Snow” by the Red Hot Chili Peppers and “Doesn’t Remind Me” by Audioslave

Episode 60: Asking For Help Jan 01, 2021

Lisa and Tawny talk about the value of asking for help. Whether it’s for something urgent like needing help getting sober or something mundane like asking for assistance with luggage on an airplane, we can often feel like our problem isn’t worth wasting peoples’ time. In fact, asking for help can make life easier for other people, too! Tawny shares how finding a therapist and support group relieved her friends and family from having to bear all of the weight. The Music Minute features Sheryl Crow and Eric Clapton.

Episode 59: Looking Towards 2021 Dec 24, 2020

Lisa and Tawny reflect on 2020 while preparing for another sober New Year’s Eve. They talk about what it’s like to be sober during a global pandemic and how their recovery is impacted. They also discuss the importance of making your goals and resolutions as realistic as possible. The Music Minute is all about our current vinyl favorites: The Flaming Lips B-Sides and The Rollings Stones Exile on Main Street.

Episode 58: Interview with Khadi, Founder of Sober Black Girls Club Dec 18, 2020

Khadi is a sober lawyer in NYC who launched the non-profit, Sober Black Girls Club, as a way to provide resources to people of color. She and Lisa discuss the normalization of alcohol culture in law firms then she and Tawny discuss creating their own online sober platforms. SBGC hosts support groups, leads online workshops, provides mentorship, and so much more! Find them at www.soberblackgirlsclub.com and follow them at @soberblackgirlsclub. The Music Minute honors the sexiness of Aubrey Graham...AKA Drake.

Episode 57: Relapse Anxiety Dec 11, 2020

Tawny opens up about how having her wisdom teeth pulled triggered extreme relapse anxiety. Lisa shares a story about having wrist surgery and the drama that ensued from potentially being prescribed pain killers. She and Lisa discuss how they sometimes take sobriety for granted—especially during humbling reminders like this. This conversation aims to destigmatize relapse, honoring the fact that it’s a common part of some peoples’ recovery stories. The Music Minute celebrates Queen Stevie Nicks and the greatness of Fleetwood Mac.

Episode 56: Addiction to Perfectionism Dec 04, 2020

Tawny and Lisa talk about chasing that elusive, dangling carrot. Lisa shares stories about how she used her job as an NYC lawyer as a way to seek validation. Tawny talks about her insecurities around being a writer, wondering if she’ll ever “arrive”. They both come together to discuss body image and how to stop comparing ourselves to others. The Music Minute features a discussion on Lenny Kravitz’s memoir and how Lisa is dancing to 80’s club music.

Episode 55: Bethany Stevens and The Sober Disability Community Nov 28, 2020

Bethany Stevens does it all, y’all! She’s a queer, femme lawyer who’s working on her Ph.D. in sociology. She also leads support groups for the sober disability community. She joins Lisa and Tawny to discuss her personal journey and how able-bodied folks can be allies when they witness ableism. The Music Minute is all about pop! Bethany talks all things Cardi B and Rihanna.
Follow Bethany at @disabethany. Check out her YouTube channel about sex and disability. Join her Disabled and Sober support group on Facebook.

Episode 54: F*cking Sober with Mack Nov 20, 2020

F*cking Sober is a new serialized podcast about the first 90 days of sobriety. The creator of this new show, Mack, joins Tawny and Lisa this week. Mack opens up about recovering from heroin addiction, experiencing relapses, and how she fictionalized her story to create Anita, the protagonist of F*cking Sober. The Music Minute is all about sober musicians that Mack has collaborated with on each episode of the show! P.S. Tawny is the developmental editor for F*cking Sober and she’s excited for y’all to check it out :)
Follow the show at @fckingsober_podcast. Listen to the show on Spotify and iTunes. Check out the website to learn about F*cking Sober and the creative team behind it.

Episode 53: Sober During the Holidays...During a Pandemic: Season 4 Premiere Nov 13, 2020

Tawny and Lisa catch up as election season transitions into the holiday season. They discuss how their socially distanced holiday plans affect them and their families. They also read from a Vice article, giving listeners tips and talking points before having the “I’m not going home for the holidays” discussion with family. They also discuss not glamorizing past holidays. Remember that maintaining boundaries this holiday season will pay off. The Music Minute focuses on holiday tunes.
How to Tell Your Family You’re Not Coming Home For The Holidays written by Rachel Miller for Vice

Episode 52: Adjusting to WFH (Work From Home) Life Jul 31, 2020

As Lisa and Tawny get more comfortable adapting to Work From Home life, but have a lot of mixed feelings. There’s grief for our old ways of life, but glimmers of the positive that the future might bring. A lot of acceptance and gratitude in store!

Episode 51: Chris Marshall, Intersectional Recovery, and Hamilton Jul 24, 2020

Chris Marshall, writer and Founder of Sans Bar, joins the girls this week to discuss writing, the intersection of Blackness and Recovery, and of course...Hamilton! He also shares insight on why he created a booze-free bar in Austin, Texas and why he’s obsessed with Lin-Manuel Miranda.

Episode 50: The Importance of SoBerthdays Jul 17, 2020

Tawny and Lisa take turns discussing the importance of celebrating SoBerthdays...AKA Sober Anniversaries. They talk about fun ways to reflect on and celebrate the big day as well as the challenges that often come in the days and weeks before. Music minute: Every day is like “another brick in the wall!”

Episode 49: How We Handle Rejection Jul 10, 2020

Rejection is something we all deal with throughout our lives. Lisa and Tawny discuss some of the times they’ve been rejected and how they dealt with it. Hint: Rejection is not personal—it usually just means something isn’t a good fit. They also share tips on how to be on the other end of rejection. They both bond over the fact that they met because they rejected alcohol! Shout out to Tempest for making Season 3 possible! You can find them at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 48: The Sober Conversation Jul 03, 2020

Telling people you quit drinking can be awkward. Tawny and Lisa share tips on how to navigate this conversation. They emphasize the difference between knowing who deserves the full version of the story and knowing when to remember “No” is a full sentence. They also discuss the trend of Sober Curiosity vs Sober Tourism. Shout out to our Tempest for making season 3 possible! You can find them at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 47: Sober Firsts Jun 26, 2020

Some can be highs and some can be lows, but there’s a first time for everything in sobriety! Tawny and Lisa discuss “explaining” why you’re not drinking, finding sober-friendly events and new sober friends, and, yes, first sober dates. They also discuss breaking the cycle of bummer holidays, celebrating successes, and being kind to our sober, growing selves. Shout out to our Tempest for making season 3 possible! You can find them at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 46: When Shit Hits the Fan Jun 19, 2020

Dealing with death and grief are a real challenge for everyone and can test our recoveries. Tawny and Lisa discuss different kinds of grief, the danger of prolonged isolation, and how-to connect and stay sober through it. No surprise, the ladies turn to music, too, at these times. If you’re looking for help with substance use issues, check our friends and sponsor at Tempest. You can find them at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 45: Boundaries in Quarantine Jun 12, 2020

Lisa shares a big takeaway from studying to become a SheRecovers coach: boundaries are the space you hold around yourself to protect your recovery. Tawny takes it a spicy step further to describe her boundaries as a full-body condom that protects her from the outside world.

Episode 44: Sex (Or Lack Thereof) in Quarantine Jun 05, 2020

Tawny and Lisa chat about how it’s totally OK to have a low sex drive during this very unsexy global pandemic. Tawny offers alternative ways to connect with your partner if you’re not in the mood. Then she fills Lisa in on how Zoom dating has changed and how she thinks the future of dating will evolve. Finally, she teaches Lisa about online orgies and how the porn industry has adapted social distancing. Somewhere in there, the girls talk about their love for David Byrne and the Talking Heads.

Episode 43: Special Guests - Amanda Eyre Ward and Jardine Libaire, Authors of THE SOBER LUSH May 29, 2020

Tawny and Lisa interview Amanda and Jardine, whose new book, The Sober Lush, comes out Tuesday, June 2. A Sober Lush life is lived in the present and full of abundance, whether it’s a fancy bath bomb and self-care, doing a small kindness for someone else, or enjoying a live music show sober. And they teach us that we all need an Adult Snow Day from time to time!

Episode 42: What We’re Binging, Reading, & Listening to in Quarantine May 24, 2020

Tawny’s stuck in the 90’s with binging Melrose Place and streaming Billboard’s top hits of 1995 on Spotify. Lisa’s digging Homeland and Say Yes to the Dress. They’re both low key obsessed with Too Hot to Handle and 90 Day Fiance, but it’s OK because they read, too! Books like The Herd, Little Fires Everywhere, Uncanny Valley, and My Friend Anna (Delvey) are keeping them sober and sane(ish) during the quarantine.

Episode 41: Special Guest Eve Goldberg, Founder of BIGVISION NYC May 15, 2020

Lisa and Tawny chat with Eve Goldberg, the founder of BIGVISION NYC. Eve started this non-profit after her son’s heartbreaking overdose, She didn’t want another young person in recovery to suffer from isolation. BIGVISION NYC began as a place for weekly sober social events in New York City and has quickly adapted to these unprecedented times. They now offer these free events several times a week on Instagram Live and Zoom to folks all over the world. P.S. Eve works out while listening to disco and we’re super into it.

Episode 40: Grocery Store Anxiety in Quarantine May 08, 2020

Lisa and Tawny discuss the anxiety they both feel while grocery shopping during the quarantine. Their sobriety tool belts keep them calm during these and other high-stress moments. It’s all about taking life one day at a time -- or one grocery store trip at a time. Of course, the Rolling Stones and Red Hot Chili Peppers get shout outs.

Episode 39: The Importance of Hobbies May 01, 2020

What is a hobby? How can it be a creative outlet? Tawny and Lisa talk about the surprising and fulfilling things they got interested in once they got sober. Only in recovery would Tawny be curious enough to teach herself piano. No shock it started with a Lady Gaga song! Season 3 of Recovery Rocks is sponsored by our friends at Tempest. Check them out at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 38: The One About Higher Power and Spirituality Apr 24, 2020

Lisa talks through how a 12-step program led to her thinking on a Higher Power and Tawny addresses her spiritual skepticism. As always, even when their approaches to recovery are different, they find plenty of common ground. Even “Higher Ground” of the Stevie Wonder and Red Hot Chili Peppers variety! Our friends and sponsor Tempest support all kinds of recovery. Find them at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 37: Special Guest Shari Hampton! Apr 17, 2020

The incredibly inspiring founder of Served Up Sober, Shari Hampton, joins the ladies to talk about the gifts of sobriety and how being of service to others is a way of being of service to ourselves. Shari discusses meeting people where they are, restorative eating, sound baths, meditation, music, and rediscovering ourselves in recovery. Don’t forget to check out our friends at Tempest, our Season 3 sponsor! Jointempest.com // @jointempest.

Episode 36: Technology Addiction Apr 10, 2020

Tawny and Lisa talk about the difficulty separating from their devices and how that can affect their recovery. Mindless social media scrolling, comparing ourselves to others, and getting a high from being “liked.” Will they land us all in a Rehab of the Future or can we employ strategies to find a better balance? Our friends and sponsor Tempest support all kinds of recovery. Find them at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 35: Special Guest Anna David! - Recovery, Book Publishing, and More Apr 03, 2020

Lisa’s personal hero, Anna David, joins the conversation to talk about her journey and the unexpected career transitions recovery can offer. Coming through addiction is like, “surviving the Titanic,” and so much is possible once we reach land. Anna also shares fascinating tips on writing about recovery and the book publishing industry. As always, we’re thrilled to be sponsored this season by our friends at Tempest! Check it out at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 34: Recovery and Health Care System Mar 27, 2020

Access to treatment for substance use and mental health disorders should be available to everyone, not just those who can afford it. Tawny and Lisa talk about access, preventative care, and the ability (or lack of ability) for people to take charge of their own wellbeing.
How to Get Mental Health Treatment if you Can't Afford it. Check out our friends and sponsor at Tempest for some great community to help your wellbeing: jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 33: When It Gets Lonely Mar 20, 2020

Tawny and Lisa talk about loneliness, what it means to them, and strategies for getting through it. Single or in a relationship, home alone or surrounded by other people, we can feel lonely at any time. What to do about it is the question. And don’t forget to check out our incredible season 3 sponsor, Tempest, at jointempest.com and @jointempest.

Episode 32: Catching Up Mar 20, 2020

They’re back! After a year on hiatus, Tawny and Lisa talk about what they’ve been up to, including a cross-country move and a loved-up in-town move. New situations and protecting sobriety through decluttering, relocating, and traveling. But always remembering to celebrate sober milestones and achievements. And we’re thrilled that this season is sponsored by our kick-ass friends at Tempest! Go to jointempest.com to check it out! Follow them at @jointempest.

Episode 31: Special Pre-Season Bonus Episode with Guest Mike Russell! Mar 13, 2020

Mike is a cancer survivor, recovery advocate, and the founder of Monument, a platform designed to connect those struggling with alcohol to medical providers and community to support either sobriety or moderation. Mike’s cancer journey has informed Monument’s approach to access to treatment and how we think about success. Mike also shares his experience with some prescription medications that helped him get sober. Find out more about Monument at joinmonument.com. Follow them at @joinmonument. Recovery Rocks listeners get $100 off per month for your first three months with code RECOVERY. A monthly plan includes weekly therapy with a licensed therapist, access to a Monument physician, and more. Plans are currently available in New York and Florida with additional states coming soon. The Monument community is available everywhere for free.
See important safety information about the medication options at http://bit.ly/medoptions.

Episode 30: Season 2 Finale: Music Chat with Ruby Warrington and Dave Starr Apr 24, 2019

Lisa and Tawny wrap up Season 2 of the show with guests Ruby Warrington and Dave Starr talking about the importance of music in their lives and in their sobriety. This episode was filmed in front of a live audience in New York City!

Episode 29: LIVE with Dave Starr (aka Tawny’s dad!) Apr 17, 2019

Tawny and Lisa chat with Dave Starr (a.k.a. Tawny's dad!) about sobriety and being a heavy metal musician. This unique episode is full of laughter, tears, rock n roll chat, and father-daughter reflection all recorded in front of a live audience in New York City!

Episode 28: LIVE with Ruby Warrington, author of Sober Curious Apr 10, 2019

Tawny and Lisa chat with Ruby Warrington about all things "sober curious": what it means, the questions to ask, avenues to explore, and why there's no judgment in whatever works for any one person’s sobriety. This episode was recorded in front of a live audience in New York City!

Episode 27: Revealing Our Recovery Mar 27, 2019

Getting sober is an intensely personal decision and journey. Tawny and Lisa describe their experiences telling -- and not telling -- other people in their lives about their recovery. From family and friends to work colleagues and the rest of the world, it’s your story to tell, if and when you chose.

Episode 26: How Recovery Changes Over Time Mar 21, 2019

Sobriety is not a static thing. As we move through recovery and get healthier, our feelings about the past, present, and future evolve. We do it differently, but we've both become more accepting and less fearful. And we even hear music differently over time, from Jim Morrison to George Michael to Counting Crows!

Episode 25: Prioritizing Our Recovery Mar 13, 2019

To stay sober, Tawny and Lisa have certain "non-negotiables": things they have to do and make time for no matter how hectic life gets or how comfortable they feel in their recovery. These can include seeing a therapist, going to recovery meetings, meditating, doing yoga, or just taking a nap. They discuss what those non-negotiables are, why they're critical, and how they make time for them.

Episode 24: Sober Sex Mar 06, 2019

We're going there. Tawny and Lisa discuss how sex changes in recovery, including dealing with the mental and emotional challenges that come with being sober between the sheets. Intimacy, one-night stands, asking for what you want, vibrators, and much more -- it's all up for discussion this week!

Episode 23: When Sobriety Sucks Feb 27, 2019

Let's be honest. Sometimes sobriety sucks and we have bad days. Tawny and Lisa talk about their different approaches to getting through the tough spots without picking up a drink or a drug. Spoiler alert: there's no one "right" way to do it. With shout outs this week to Keith Richards, Mick Jagger and Gin Blossoms!

Episode 22: Sober Relationships with Family & Friends Feb 20, 2019

Tawny and Lisa talk about how their relationships with friends and family changed when they got sober, in ways both expected and unexpected. Sure, there can be FOMO and challenges, but there are also new ways of engaging that are so much more rewarding than spending just another night in a bar.

Episode 21: Alternative Paths to Recovery Feb 13, 2019

Recovery is an extremely personal journey of self-work. No two people recover in exactly the same way. There are a variety of programs and methods to help people get and stay sober. Tawny and Lisa are happy to use this platform to discuss some of the lesser known options available, acknowledging that there's no "right" or "wrong" way to recover. Whatever works for someone is the perfect path for them.

Episode 20: Lapse vs Relapse Feb 06, 2019

Lisa and Tawny talk through their very different views of Lapses and Relapses in recovery. Tawny shares a nuanced perspective on her personal experience of acting out sexually due to heartbreak and having a nervous breakdown. Despite serious debate about “powerlessness” and other terms, they both agree that smashing the stigma around relapse is essential. There is no shame in anyone’s path to recovery and no two paths are the same.

Episode 19: Self-Care in Sobriety Jan 30, 2019

Taking care of ourselves and taking time out to do it is critical to our recovery. Tawny and Lisa talk about what works for them and how they learned to make self-care part of their lives. From making your bed and opening your mail to watching TV on your couch and taking naps, it all matters. Sex and the CIty, anyone?

Episode 18: Relationships in Recovery Jan 23, 2019

Lisa and Tawny discuss how their interpersonal relationships have changed in recovery. They share personal stories about family dynamics, co-workers, romantic partners, and most importantly...their relationships with themselves. Come for the recovery, stay for the Led Zeppelin music minute!

Episode 17: Coping with Co-Existing Mental Health Issues while in Recovery Jan 17, 2019

It's common to self-medicate mental health issues with substance abuse. Lisa and Tawny did this for years before embracing sobriety. This week they share what their depression and anxiety look like, now, and how they deal with these issues in healthy, productive ways.

Episode 16: Emotional Recovery: Season 2 Premiere! Jan 09, 2019

When Tawny and Lisa got sober, these crazy things called "feelings" showed up and they couldn't drink them away. Some of those feelings included regret and shame about the past. Not to mention dealing with grief and "emotional hangovers" while sober. In this episode, they talk about how they deal with these feelings today.

Episode 15: Control Issues Jan 02, 2019

Tawny and Lisa both struggled with what they could and could not control, including their drinking and drug use. In sobriety, they still face this challenge, but have developed tools, from yoga to practicing acceptance, so they can handle what they can't control without picking up a drink or drug.

Episode 14: Money Matters: Look Back, But Don't Stare Dec 27, 2018

Substance abuse and addiction aren't just bad for your health; they're also terrible for your bank account. Lisa and Tawny blew a lot of money while drinking and using drugs. They have accepted that fact, forgiven themselves, and talk about how they moved forward.

Episode 13: Sobriety vs Recovery: What’s the Difference? Dec 19, 2018

When we put down drugs and alcohol, we learned about the meanings of sobriety (abstaining from certain substances and behaviors) and recovery (working on ourselves to understand why we had the desire to pick up in the first place). But, as with everything on this journey, they mean different things to different people and they can be done in all kinds of ways.

Episode 12: Entertain Us! Our Favorite Recovery Books, Movies, and More Dec 12, 2018

Lisa and Tawny dish on their favorite recovery-related movies, TV shows, books, and blogs. From Mom to Love to Shame to Party Girl to Some Kind of Monster to My Fair Junkie to Slash and Anthony Kiedis's autobiographies, we could go on and on. These works give insight into recovery from all kinds of substances and behaviors from all kinds of perspectives.

Episode 11: Our Other Addictions Dec 05, 2018

When an addict stops drinking or using drugs, their addictive personality typically sticks around, often transferring to other substances or behaviors. Tawny and Lisa open up about other addictions they deal with in sobriety: personal development, self-help books, sugar, work, and more.

Episode 10: People, Places, and Things Nov 28, 2018

A big concept in 12-Step recovery is avoiding the "people, places, and things" that can trigger us or make us uncomfortable. Tawny and Lisa talk through what this concept means and how it can help anyone in recovery, whether or not they are in 12-Step programs.

Episode 9: Sober For the Holidays Nov 19, 2018

It's that time of year. Alcohol and other substances seem to be everywhere. And many of us find ourselves in challenging social and family situations. This week, we talk out how we handle this tricky time in recovery.

Episode 8: Allies in Recovery: Asking for Help and Supporting Others Nov 14, 2018

Lisa and Tawny discuss the important role that allies play in the recovery community. They also discuss the parallels between sobriety and being in the LGBTQ+ community. The perpetual coming out, the stigma that keeps us from embracing our true selves, and how allies can help us feel safe.

Episode 7: Sober Dating Nov 07, 2018

Lisa and Tawny discuss how sobriety restored their self-esteem and taught them to enjoy being single before they embarked on sober dating. It also helped them figure out what they want and need in a partner and how to communicate honestly with someone new.

Episode 6: Our Relationships to Alcohol and Why We Dumped It Oct 31, 2018

Not everyone's relationship to alcohol is the same. Tawny was a career bartender and social butterfly who rarely drank alone. Lisa was a so-called "high functioning" alcohol abuser who frequently drank alone to numb out. They discuss the similarities and differences of how they finally decided to quit drinking.

Episode 5: Finding Happiness with the Reality of Sobriety Oct 24, 2018

Yes, it does get better! This week, Tawny and Lisa talk about the big things and the little things we discover and can achieve if we kick the booze and the drugs to the curb. So many happy surprises!

Episode 4: Love/Hate relationship with Social Media Oct 17, 2018

Social media. It's the ultimate double-edged sword. It can inspire us and give us community. It can also be toxic and make us feel less than those we see with seemingly "perfect" lives. This week, Tawny and Lisa discuss their love/hate relationship with social media and how they try to navigate its rocky waters.

Episode 3: To 12-Step or Not To 12-Step Oct 10, 2018

There are multiple paths to recovery and which one to take is a hugely personal decision. Lisa got and stays sober through 12-step programs. Tawny got sober blogging and connecting online. In this episode they discuss the pros and cons of both.

Episode 2: Getting outside your comfort zone Oct 03, 2018

While the "get outside your comfort zone" rhetoric can be helpful at times, Lisa and Tawny discuss the beauty of comfort zones and the important role they play for someone in recovery. They also explore the necessity of self-forgiveness, learning to give yourself grace, and setting boundaries to preserve said comfort zones.

Episode 1: Welcome to Recovery Rocks: Overview Sep 26, 2018

Lisa and Tawny welcome you to the debut episode of Recovery Rocks podcast! Lisa talks about being a lawyer/author in recovery while living in Manhattan. Tawny talks about being a sober blogger/event coordinator in recovery in Manhattan. They also share their opposing opinions on the extremely important topic of The Grateful Dead with John Mayer vs. Jerry Garcia.

Recovery Rocks Trailer Sep 26, 2018

This is the beginning of a trip, where you will discover how two different generations join efforts to demonstrate that it is possible to leave behind addictions to alcohol and drugs

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