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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    136: Elise Hu: Obsessed With Beauty (Best of NSE) Dec 28, 2023
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    What is beauty, and what role should it play in our lives?

    Beauty has long been seen as one the three “transcendentals” (along with truth and goodness) which have been valued at all times, in all places, by all cultures. But these days, the word “beauty” is often equated with standards of bodily presentation that, in an increasingly globalized and technological world, are reachable only by extreme measures of constant labor or cosmetic surgery.

    In this episode, Elise asks the question we’re all thinking: is that version of beauty good for us? She discusses her experience in a beauty-obsessed Korean culture, its effects on both women and men, and what a healthy relationship with beauty might look like.

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    Flawless by Elise Hu

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    132: Unabridged Interview: Tom and Tony Bancroft Dec 27, 2023
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    Twins Tom and Tony Bancroft grew up sharing a small bedroom, trying to out-draw each other. Today, they have long careers under their belts working for Disney, Warner Brothers, and many more esteemed animation studios.

    Their life’s work is a testament to the power of passion, imagination, faith, and brotherhood. In this episode, they discuss how they became animators at the world’s most famous companies, what it’s like to be storytellers for the masses, and what their faith has meant to them over the course of their lives.

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    The Bancroft Brothers Animation Podcast

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    135: Unabridged Interview: Heather Holleman Dec 26, 2023
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    This is our unabridged episode with Heather Holleman.

    How important is it to be a good conversationalist?

    In an age of widespread loneliness, close relationships are at a premium, and it’s harder than ever to find common ground, even with those we spend time with on a daily basis. According to Heather Holleman, this is due in part to the fact that we have lost the ability to have what she calls “good conversations.”

    “Good conversations create personal closeness,” she says. “When you have good conversations, it could intervene in the loneliness epidemic.”

    In this episode, she discusses her book “The Six Conversations: Pathways to Connecting in an Age of Isolation and Inactivity,” in which she offers loads of practical tips for becoming better listeners, talkers, question askers, and ultimately, human beings.

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    135: Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation (Best of NSE) Dec 21, 2023
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    How important is it to be a good conversationalist?

    In an age of widespread loneliness, close relationships are at a premium, and it’s harder than ever to find common ground, even with those we spend time with on a daily basis. According to Heather Holleman, this is due in part to the fact that we have lost the ability to have what she calls “good conversations.”

    “Good conversations create personal closeness,” she says. “When you have good conversations, it could intervene in the loneliness epidemic.”

    In this episode, she discusses her book “The Six Conversations: Pathways to Connecting in an Age of Isolation and Inactivity,” in which she offers loads of practical tips for becoming better listeners, talkers, question askers, and ultimately, human beings.

    Show Notes:

    Similar episodes

    Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: Lessons from the World’s Longest Scientific Study on Happiness

    Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

    Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

    Resources mentioned this episode

    The Six Conversations by Heather Holleman

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    134: Unabridged Interview: Rebecca DeYoung Dec 19, 2023
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    This is our unabridged interview with Rebecca DeYoung.

    Sin.

    It's a word seen by many as a "religious word," one which evokes all manner of images. Like, maybe Las Vegas. Or the temptation of Adam and Eve in the book of Genesis. But many see it as an irrelevant word to their contemporary life.

    Our guest today has studied what are traditionally referred to as the seven deadly sins. She proposes that the medieval taxonomy of sin is actually -quite- relevant to our lives today; and that it can steer us -away- from destructive ways of life, and toward habits, practices, dispositions which make possible, a better life.

    Rebecca DeYoung is author of the award-winning book “Glittering Vices: A New Look at the Seven Deadly Sins and Their Remedies” and a Professor of Ethics, History, and Philosophy at Calvin College.

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    134: Rebecca DeYoung: The 7 Deadly Sins (Best of NSE) Dec 14, 2023
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    Sin.

    It's a word seen by many as "religious word," one which evokes all manner of images. Like, maybe Las Vegas. Or the temptation of Adam and Eve in the book of Genesis. But many see it as an irrelevant word to their contemporary life.

    Our guest today has studied what are traditionally referred to as the seven deadly sins. She proposes that the medieval taxonomy of sin is actually -quite- relevant to our lives today; and that it can steer us -away- from destructive ways of life, and toward habits, practices, dispositions which make possible, a better life.

    Rebecca DeYoung is author of the award-winning book “Glittering Vices: A New Look at the Seven Deadly Sins and Their Remedies” and a Professor of Ethics, History, and Philosophy at Calvin College.

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    133: Unabridged Interview: Peter Harris and Jo Swinney Dec 12, 2023
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    This is our unabridged interview with Peter Harris and Jo Swinney.

    “If you live in community, you have no choice but to tell a true story.”

    Peter Harris, Anglican clergyman and founder of environmental non-profit A Rocha, lost his beloved wife Miranda in a car accident in South Africa. Miranda left behind a grieving community, and an unfinished book.

    Their daughter, Jo Swinney, found her mother’s unfinished book, full of wisdom and stories from a life dedicated to hospitality. She finished and published it, and in the process, learned much about both grief and joy.

    In this episode, Peter and Jo sit down in front of a live audience to discuss the legacy of hospitality and faith that Miranda left, what it has been like to grieve, and what it might be like to see a deteriorating world with the same hope that Miranda did.


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    A Place at the Table by Jo Swinney and Miranda Harris

    A Rocha International


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    133: Peter Harris and Jo Swinney: A Place at the Table Dec 07, 2023
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    “If you live in community, you have no choice but to tell a true story.”

    Peter Harris, Anglican clergyman and founder of environmental non-profit A Rocha, lost his beloved wife Miranda in a car accident in South Africa. Miranda left behind a grieving community, and an unfinished book.

    Their daughter, Jo Swinney, found her mother’s unfinished book, full of wisdom and stories from a life dedicated to hospitality. She finished and published it, and in the process, learned much about both grief and joy.

    In this episode, Peter and Jo sit down in front of a live audience to discuss the legacy of hospitality and faith that Miranda left, what it has been like to grieve, and what it might be like to see a deteriorating world with the same hope that Miranda did.


    Show Notes:

    Similar episodes

    Peter Harris: The Collapse of the Biosphere

    Katharine Hayhoe: “The Most Polarized Issue in the United States”

    Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence


    Resources mentioned this episode

    A Place at the Table by Jo Swinney and Miranda Harris

    A Rocha International


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    132: Unabridged Interview: N.T. Wright Dec 05, 2023
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    This is our unabridged interview with N.T. Wright.

    How does art affect our theology?

    “Most Christians believe that the aim of the game is to go to heaven when you die. That’s wrong,” says N.T. Wright, Anglican bishop and bestselling author. In fact, he argues, most Christians have gotten it completely backwards. We don’t go there when we die - it comes to us when we live.

    In this episode, we discuss how such a drastic theological error can be widely accepted, and why the stories we tell each other through art have a greater impact on our beliefs than we think.


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    Ask N.T. Wright Anything Podcast

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    132: N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry Nov 30, 2023
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    How does art affect our theology?

    “Most Christians believe that the aim of the game is to go to heaven when you die. That’s wrong,” says N.T. Wright, Anglican bishop and bestselling author. In fact, he argues, most Christians have gotten it completely backwards. We don’t go there when we die - it comes to us when we live.

    In this episode, we discuss how such a drastic theological error can be widely accepted, and why the stories we tell each other through art have a greater impact on our beliefs than we think. Plus, we hear on the subject from two master storytellers, Tom and Tony Bancroft.


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    William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

    Rebecca DeYoung: Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life

    John Mark Comer: The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry

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    Ask N.T. Wright Anything Podcast

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