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    No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp – Tokens Media

    What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?

    On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.

    Together we ask:

    How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?

    What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?

    Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?

    How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?

    If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.

    Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.

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    145: Tim Alberta: The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory Feb 29, 2024
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    At No Small Endeavor, we try to talk about the things that really matter to people. Two such things - politics and religion - are notoriously tricky to discuss without generalizing, proselytizing, or stoking division.

    But in an election year, we can’t ignore a sub-group in the United States that is adamant about combining faith and nation: Christian Nationalists.

    In this episode, we called in Tim Alberta, author of “The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory” and an expert for the job. He shares what it was like growing up around the movement, offers his criticism of a subculture he knows inside and out, and presents the clear and present danger of conflating religious identity with national identity.

    Show Notes

    Similar episodes:

    Kristin Du Mez: Jesus and John Wayne

    Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

    David French: Conservatism without Trumpism

    Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

    Randall Balmer – name? Link?

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory by Tim Alberta

    Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Du Mez

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    144: Unabridged Interview: Eboo Patel Feb 27, 2024
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    This is our unabridged interview with Eboo Patel.

    “Diversity is a treasure,” says President and Founder of Interfaith America Eboo Patel. But what does “diversity” really mean?

    The term is found these days in public discourse and political debate, in boardrooms and on athletic fields. But Eboo argues that the way it plays out in the United States often misses the point entirely: instead of honoring identity and leaving room for disagreement, we settle for a flattening of culture, calling it “diversity.”

    “Coherent doesn’t mean univocal,” says Eboo. “In a democracy, you actually get to articulate your identity.” In this episode, Eboo describes why we should treasure our differences - especially religious differences - rather than treat them as insignificant, and provides new ways to frame polarizing issues around religion, race, and politics.

    Show Notes

    Similar episodes:

    David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?

    Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

    David Desteno: Can Religion Make You Happier?

    Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

    Resources mentioned this episode

    We Need to Build by Eboo Patel

    Acts of Faith by Eboo Patel

    Interfaith America’s website

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    144: Eboo Patel: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy Feb 22, 2024
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    “Diversity is a treasure,” says President and Founder of Interfaith America Eboo Patel. But what does “diversity” really mean?

    The term is found these days in public discourse and political debate, in boardrooms and on athletic fields. But Eboo argues that the way it plays out in the United States often misses the point entirely: instead of honoring identity and leaving room for disagreement, we settle for a flattening of culture, calling it “diversity.”

    “Coherent doesn’t mean univocal,” says Eboo. “In a democracy, you actually get to articulate your identity.” In this episode, Eboo describes why we should treasure our differences - especially religious differences - rather than treat them as insignificant, and provides new ways to frame polarizing issues around religion, race, and politics.

    Show Notes

    Similar episodes:

    David Brooks: Can We Save Society by Knowing Each Other?

    Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

    David Desteno: Can Religion Make You Happier?

    Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

    Resources mentioned this episode

    We Need to Build by Eboo Patel

    Acts of Faith by Eboo Patel

    Interfaith America’s website

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

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    For Your Consideration: Your Mama's Kitchen with John Batiste Feb 21, 2024
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    Sharing an episode of Your Mama’s Kitchen, a podcast about cuisine and culture, ingredients and identities, and the meals and memories that make us who we are.

    Every week, host Michele Norris talks to guests like Michelle Obama, Glennon Doyle, José Andrés and more. Together they explore the complexities of family life and how their earliest culinary experiences helped shape their personal and professional lives—and of course, each guest shares a recipe for a favorite dish from their youth so you can taste a bit of their story.

    In this episode, singer-songwriter Jon Batiste serenades us with his harmonica-keyboard while reminiscing on the sounds of his childhood kitchen in New Orleans. He describes what it was like to grow up in a big, musical family of jazz legends, and shares some of their favorite Christmas traditions—including competing to see who could make the best and truest gumbo.

    You can find more Your Mama’s Kitchen here.

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    143: Unabridged Interview: Anthony Ray Hinton Feb 20, 2024
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    This is our unabridged interview with Anthony Ray Hinton.

    “I don’t care whether you did or didn’t do it. I’m going to make sure you’re found guilty.”

    These were the words that Anthony Ray Hinton says put him on Alabama’s death row for nearly 3 decades for a murder he didn’t commit. In 2015, after numerous appeals, he was released after the US Supreme Court vacated the charges, and the State of Alabama dropped the case.

    Mr. Hinton is author of the New York Times bestseller, “The Sun Does Shine: How I Found Life and Freedom on Death Row.” His story recounts his harrowing decades on death row, and his intention to make choices for compassion and joy in the midst of the chaos of prison life, spending 23 hours every day in a 5 x 7 cell, and watching 54 individuals pass his cell on their way to the death chamber.

    “You can sit in that cell and be angry with the world,” he says, “or you can sit in that cell and try to find peace and joy. But you can't say you don't have a choice.”

    Similar episodes:

    Pervis Payne: The Death Penalty

    The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

    Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

    Jameel McGee and Andrew Collins: Dirty Cop, False Arrest, and Unexpected Consequences

    Resources mentioned this episode

    The Sun Does Shine by Anthony Ray Hinton

    The Sun Does Shine (Young Readers Edition) by Anthony Ray Hinton

    Go Tell It on the Mountain by James Baldwin

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    143: Anthony Ray Hinton: An Innocent Man on Death Row Feb 15, 2024
    Show notes

    “I don’t care whether you did or didn’t do it. I’m going to make sure you’re found guilty.”

    These were the words that Anthony Ray Hinton says put him on Alabama’s death row for nearly 3 decades for a murder he didn’t commit. In 2015, after numerous appeals, he was released after the US Supreme Court vacated the charges, and the State of Alabama dropped the case.

    Mr. Hinton is author of the New York Times bestseller, “The Sun Does Shine: How I Found Life and Freedom on Death Row.” His story recounts his harrowing decades on death row, and his intention to make choices for compassion and joy in the midst of the chaos of prison life, spending 23 hours every day in a 5 x 7 cell, and watching 54 individuals pass his cell on their way to the death chamber.

    “You can sit in that cell and be angry with the world,” he says, “or you can sit in that cell and try to find peace and joy. But you can't say you don't have a choice.”

    Similar episodes:

    Pervis Payne: The Death Penalty

    The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson

    Eddie Glaude: On James Baldwin’s America

    Jameel McGee and Andrew Collins: Dirty Cop, False Arrest, and Unexpected Consequences

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Sun Does Shine by Anthony Ray Hinton

    The Sun Does Shine (Young Readers Edition) by Anthony Ray Hinton

    Go Tell It on the Mountain by James Baldwin

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

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    142: Unabridged Interview: Rob Reiner and Dan Partland Feb 13, 2024
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    This is our unabridged interview with Rob Reiner and Dan Partland.

    What ideas mobilized people to storm the Capitol on January 6th?

    The new documentary “God & Country” from acclaimed actor and filmmaker Rob Reiner and director Dan Partland seeks to answer that question. Their journalism explores the motives, philosophies, and ideas behind Christian nationalism, and looks at the implications of those views and how they distort not only our constitutional republic, but Christianity itself.

    “We've got to find a way to live and not kill each other,” says Rob, “especially not over our ideas.” The film features interviews with experts from many different realms - including historians, theologians, political pundits, and more - in order to shed light on the intermix of power and religion in our day.

    In this episode, Rob and Dan describe their film, why they made it, and what they learned in the process.

    Show Notes

    Similar episodes:

    Kristin Du Mez: Jesus and John Wayne

    Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right

    Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

    Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

    Robert Jones: White Too Long

    Resources mentioned this episode

    ”God and Country” Trailer

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link for Abridged Episode


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    142: Rob Reiner and Dan Partland: Their New Film “God and Country” Feb 08, 2024
    Show notes

    What ideas mobilized people to storm the Capitol on January 6th?

    The new documentary “God & Country” from acclaimed actor and filmmaker Rob Reiner and director Dan Partland seeks to answer that question. Their journalism explores the motives, philosophies, and ideas behind Christian nationalism, and looks at the implications of those views and how they distort not only our constitutional republic, but Christianity itself.

    “We've got to find a way to live and not kill each other,” says Rob, “especially not over our ideas.” The film features interviews with experts from many different realms - including historians, theologians, political pundits, and more - in order to shed light on the intermix of power and religion in our day.

    In this episode, Rob and Dan describe their film, why they made it, and what they learned in the process.

    Show Notes

    Similar episodes:

    Kristin Du Mez: Jesus and John Wayne

    Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right

    Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French

    Russell Moore: Against, and For, the Tribe

    Robert Jones: White Too Long

    Resources mentioned this episode

    ”God and Country” Trailer

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    141: Unabridged Interview: David Brooks Feb 06, 2024
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    This is our unabridged interview with David Brooks.

    “We’re in the middle of some sort of social crisis,” says New York Times columnist and bestselling author David Brooks.

    Politics and social discourse have become brutal. Loneliness, hopelessness, and suicide rates have been measured at all-time highs. Trust and friendship have been measured at all-time lows. But all is not lost, according to David. There is still a way forward, and it’s simpler than one might think.

    “The essential moral act is the act of attention,” he says. “Our goal should be to cast a just and loving attention on others.” In this episode, he discusses his new book, “How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen,” and how truly knowing others calls forth a better version of both oneself and one’s community.

    A warning: this episode contains mention of suicide. If you or someone you know is in crisis, contact the Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255.

    Show Notes

    Similar episodes:

    David Brooks: The Road to Character

    Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation

    Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection

    Curt Thompson: The Power Of Being Seen

    Resources mentioned this episode

    How to Know a Person by David Brooks

    The Sovereignty of Good by Iris Murdoch

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    For Your Consideration: How God Works with David DeSteno Feb 02, 2024
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    We're pleased on occasion to share with you an episode from other podcasts which we find important and helpful. You may have heard our episode with renowned psychologist David DeSteno, on his book How God Works. I very much enjoyed my conversation with Dave, and found his approach helpful and refreshing. On his podcast, by the same name—How God Works—Dave talks with religious leaders, scientists, and intellectuals from various fields and explores the overlap between scientific research and the teachings of various wisdom and faith traditions.

    The episode we share today I find particularly helpful: one on hope, and the cultivation of hopefulness in a world marred by seemingly intractable violence and hostility. Dave interviews Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Nicholas Kristof, who discusses ways he's learned to maintain hopefulness even while covering some of the most horrific instances of violence and war-making; and Roshi Joan Halifax, founder of Upaya Zen Center in Santa Fe, NM, about the notion of wise hope, the equanimity it can bring, and the fierce compassion it can unleash.

    We hope you enjoy this episode of How God Works and consider subscribing.

    -Lee C. Camp

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