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    Mutually Amazing Podcast

    Host Mike Domitrz dives into thought-provoking discussions on build mutually amazing relationships in all areas of one’s life – in work, love, and life. From 1-on-1 interviews with top experts to group discussions with thought leaders to friends chatting to host Mike Domitrz personally sharing his expertise on current happenings in the world, each episode is a unique listening experience. Your host Mike Domitrz is one of the most sought after experts, authors, and speakers in the world for helping organizations and institutions create a culture of respect and for building mutually amazing relationships. Listeners love the passion Mike shares and the diversity of thought expressed by Mike and his guests. From sexual violence (sexual harassment and sexual assault) to dignity and respect in the workplace for all human beings, the conversation always aims to provide powerful takeaways for listeners.

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    #11 - Suicide, Resilience, and Respect with Sean Douglas Aug 15, 2018
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    Suicide, resilience, and respect. Sean Douglas shares key skills and strategies for helping individuals as host Mike Domitrz discusses the work Sean does and Sean's personal journey with the military. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** LISTEN TO THE SHOW BELOW via Video, Audio, and/or Read the Transcription WATCH RAW FOOTAGE HERE (CC is available on this video): OR SCROLL DOWN TO READ THE TRANSCRIPTION BIO of Sean Douglas:Sean Douglas is a U.S. Air Force Veteran, TEDx Speaker, Master Resilience Implementer, Suicide Awareness Trainer, Performance Enhancement Expert, International Radio Show Host, and Author. His WHY is he's a suicide survivor who hit rock bottom with no purpose or passion. He believes that you were created for a purpose, and once you unlock your true potential, you will elevate your life, which is why he founded The Success Corps. In a highly interactive and engaging environment, utilizing online mentoring sessions and face to face workshops, Sean offers Life Transformation skills and Business Strategies to Millennials up to 50-year-old Professionals, Military Veterans, emerging Speakers and Entrepreneurs that will unlock their true potential and elevate them to new heights in their personal and professional lives. Sean equips people with the tools necessary to live EPIC lives, and leaves people better equipped to manage change effectively. Considered an "Icon of Influence in the New Media Space", Sean hosts the popular live online radio show, Life Transformation Radio, heard in over 58 countries and thousands of weekly listeners. Links: www.TheSuccessCorps.com www.facebook.com/TheSuccessCorps www.Facebook.com/groups/TheSuccessCorps https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-douglas-a0890473 Watch Sean's popular TEDx talk at www.TheSuccessCorps.com. Sean's Promo video: https://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=meXPE7NKA-E Recommended Book: The Power of Positive Thinking by Normal Vincent Peale The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell The Miracle Morning by Hal Elrod READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPTION of the EPISODE HERE (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages:: Mike: Welcome to The RESPECT Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Domitrz from mikespeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions, and the U.S. Military create a culture of respect. And respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike: Today we are welcoming a very cool special guest doing amazing work out there. That is Sean Douglas. Now, if you've never met Sean, Sean is a U.S. Air Force veteran, TEDx speaker, master resilience implementer, suicide awareness trainer, performance enhance expert, and international radio show host and author. His show is called, Life Transformation Radio. And we're going to get right into this. Mike: Sean, we wanted to have you on because as you know, this is The RESPECT Podcast, and a lot of your work relates to that, particularly we want to talk about suicide and resilience today. To get started, particularly with that discussion, I think it's really important people hear your story from you, instead of me. So if you could give people a little background, that would be wonderful. Sean: Yeah, absolutely, man. My background comes from growing up in Detroit, and Detroit I don't think ever has ever really been that nice of a place. But my mom and dad divorced when my dad went into the Air Force when I was in 1st grade, and from 2nd grade on to 7th grade, I grew up in an alcohol dominated domestic violence household. My stepdad was abusive towards my mom, my oldest sister, to me. The physical, emotional, and mental abuse, it takes a toll on you. It really takes a toll on you. Sean: So by the time I was in 7th grade, my mom had had enough, he had gone to jail so many times, the family came and got us. You know, we stayed in my grandparents basement for like two years, till I was a freshman in high school. Went through freshman in high school, and then started fighting and getting in trouble, and doing a bunch of stupid stuff, and was in therapy. Sean: And then we moved, and finished up 10th, 11th, and 12th grade year, I was still getting suspended, started experimenting ... started doing other things that just ... because I didn't care. I had no purpose, I didn't have any drive, I didn't have any ambition. Half my family was like, "Oh, poor you guys." The other half was like, "You've got to live an amazing life. You have an opportunity." Like they were the empowerment people. Sean: By the time that I was 18, I had lived in 11 different houses and attended eight different schools. It was insane. That prepared me for the military. Mike: Right, right. Sean: It prepared me for the military. So, at the time, I was like, "My life sucks. I don't have any friends. Why am I going to make friends, I'm just going to move in a year or two." You know. My 3rd grade year, I went to two different schools my 3rd grade year. This is what happens. So I joined the military, and then I found alcohol. And because the drinking age in England is 18, and I'm stationed in England, my first duty station, I was drunk all the time. I didn't have to feel anything, I didn't have to do anything. But I was the type of drunk where I was good for a while, and then all of this stuff came up. You know, and all the feelings came up, which made me want to drink more, which drove me deeper. Sean: It was ugly. I was cool for a while, and then it would just take a sour turn. And so, by 2005, I'm in an alcohol and drug abuse prevention program with the military. By 2007, my house burned down. And I did what everybody does whenever you go through a traumatic experience, you get married. And so I got married in 2007 after my house had burned down, and then in 2008 we got divorced. Then I decided that you know what, I'm never going to amount to anything, I'm never going to be anywhere, so I decided to take my life, and I tried to do that. Sean: It wasn't successful. People grabbed me, stopped me, took me to the hospital. You know, they saved me, brought me back, and through chaplains and again, alcohol and drug abuse classes and all that stuff, and people actually taking the time to give value into my life. I then became a drill instructor for the military, because I had overcame all this stuff. And that propelled me into speaking and training, which then propelled me into being a resilience trainer, which then I said, "This is amazing stuff, and it's changing my life. I bet other people can get their lives changed." Sean: So I hit the ground running and now ... I look back 10 years ago, 10 years ago me and my wife were fighting, arguing, I'm drunk all the time, I'm getting yelled at by my boss. I mean, it's ugly. And 10 years later, you know, I have a show about transformation, I'm a master resilience implementer for the military, and I do a lot of work with USO, veterans, and ... love what I do, man. Mike: Well, you can see that passion in you. And I think what's powerful about your story Sean, is you served in the military, I get to work with the military a lot. I don't think people realize how much support systems there are there for people who are struggling. I think people have this perception that our military leaves people abandoned in these moments. Or just kicks them out in [inaudible 00:05:14]. Mike: And I think there were times in the past history, we had a recent guest on that that was true of, with the topic of sexual assault in his ... and it was aways back, but we're in a different place today. Mental health is a priority in the U.S. Military, and supporting. And your story really highlights that because they didn't give up on you in even multiple situations where there could have been opportunity to say, "You're out and we're not getting you help." They kept getting you help. Sean: Yeah, yeah. I think that you bring up a very good point. I do want to say that in the military, just like there are in any area of life, any job, some people just kind of fall through the cracks because of a crap supervisor, somebody's like, "You know what, I don't want to deal with this guy anymore. I'm out." You know? There's times where people mess things up, like on the job, and you're like, "Okay, you're getting reprimanded. Oh look, he did it again. We're taking a stripe now. Oh, we're taking some rank, we're taking some pay. You know what, you're so messed up, you know what, you're out. Bye. You suck at this thing. You've got to go." Right? Sean: But in my case, they were like, "He's a good worker. He's struggling with addiction. He's struggling with this stuff," you know? So they had a chance to get me out but they didn't, and I'm thankful for that. I know guys that have served in the military who went into it with a heroin addiction, and they kicked them guys out of the military, but entered them into a rehab program on the way out the door. You know what I'm saying? Sean: The veterans, I can't speak on the actual veterans who are in the VA system, they've been there for years, because I'm not in that system right now. Do they get left behind? I can't really speak to that. Everybody wants to think that they do. But I will tell you that you're 1000% correct. There are tons of programs out there. The problem is, pride gets in the way and people just don't want to take advantage of them. I mean, really if you think about it, you know, there are a lot of things like, "Well, I don't want to ... I'm okay, I'm okay." And they just want to do it on their own. And sometimes you just can't do it on your own. Mike: No, absolutely. So I think it's great that you pointed out that for you, you had those resources. Somebody didn't give up on you. They kept trying. Sean: Right. Mike: What was the turning point for you? Because you mentioned, you were taking those classes, you're going in those programs and going right back in and right back in, and anybody who has family or friends who have struggled with addiction have seen the roller coaster, right? If they haven't experienced themselves, they've seen the roller coaster. What was that point that made you go, "Oh my gosh." What point when you attempted suicide was the turning point of, "What have I just done?" Sean: I was in the depths of the hell that I created. Like when I really look back on it, I created all of the destructive behaviors, and self-defeating behaviors, like that was me. It was me just, "I don't want to deal with it." Because my whole life, that's what was modeled for me. My mom didn't want to talk about the abuse, my sister didn't want to talk about the abuse, and she had issues early on, marriage and things like that. But I think what was a tipping point was that I got to the lowest ... like I hit rock bottom so hard that I bounced off the rock. You know what I mean? Sean: And so, in that moment ... and as a suicide awareness trainer, we preach all the time, "There's a suicide hotline. There's this. There's this." And I teach awareness where, if this person's exhibiting this, if this person's exhibiting this, ask them about it, care about them, and escort them somewhere. Escort them to a chaplain, to the hospital, to whatever. Don't leave them alone." You know? Sean: And what I have found, even in my own suicide attempt, was that I masked all my pain and I really didn't want people to know about it. Not because I was embarrassed, I just didn't want to deal with it. Because when you deal with it, then it kind of becomes real. Mike: Yeah, Brene Brown talks about that, right? What's in the dark can thrive in the dark. When it comes to the light, we can address it and move forward. Sean: Right. And sometimes, I've met people that are like, "No, this is where I want to be." I'm like, "You want to live like, what?" And they're like, "This is what I want to do." I'm like, "This is ... like how would you want to live at a low level?" You know what I mean? But that's what their comfort level's at. That's what they know. That's what's been modeled. They're never shown anything different, you know? Mike: Yeah. Sean: So, the tipping point came when I was saved and I was getting some counseling and some other things like, "Well, do you have goals? Do you have dreams?" And I'm like, "Yeah, but they'll never happen." Like, I was such in a negative mindset, and somebody gave me a book by Norman Vincent Peale, called The Power of Positive Thinking. And I read that book, and it was like, "Ding!" Like, "There's something to this. I like this." And so I started getting into personal development, professional development. Sean: And then when I became a drill instructor, you're forced to operate at a high level. And my accountability partners that I had pushed me when I didn't want to be pushed, you know, when I wanted to give up. And so, between the literature and the accountability, and you know, having a brotherhood next to you, you can't fail. Mike: Great example of teamwork, right? Really being present for each other, and challenging each other. And so at what point did you step out of the military? Sean: I'm currently serving still. Mike: You are, okay. Because I'm here- Sean: Yup, three more years. Mike: All right. So I think a lot of people were confused because we said ... in your bio and all, it says Air Force veteran. And that's where I got confused because I thought, "Well, wait, I thought Sean's still in." So I appreciate you clarifying that, thanks. Sean: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I go back and forth on that because some people are like, "Well, let's put veteran because you can't represent the Air Force." I'm like, "Well, I'm not representing the Air Force." They're like, "Well, it can be conveyed." So [crosstalk 00:10:55]. Mike: So the Air Force prefers you say veteran so that it's not implying you are right now representing yourself as part of the U.S. Air Force. Sean: Yes, correct. Mike: And for anybody who's ... PART 1 OF 3 ENDS [00:11:04] Mike: Representing yourself as part of the US Air Force? Sean: Yes. Correct. Mike: Yeah. For anybody who's listening or watching, that is true across the board in the military. For instance, you're a speaker, I'm a speaker. No one in leadership can give me an endorsement anywhere in the US military because doing so says the US government endorsing me, and that's a commercial endorsement. For those listeners that might remember, that a couple of years ago the Drumpf family, one of them referenced their own products, and that was a trouble issue because the government cannot endorse a commercial product. It's the same for us, and speakers have made that mistake. You can't do it. Mike: I get why they do that. It's just a side note for our listeners, and why we can see that. Sean: Yeah. Mike: What do you think is key for somebody who's in that struggling space, and you see that somebody…

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    #10 - Liane Davey Shares why CONFLICT is Essential to Respect Aug 08, 2018
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    Gain specific skills for thriving with conflict in all aspects of your life from expert Liane Davey as Mike Domitrz asks here about personal and professional situations. Discover why conflict is HEALTHY and we should look forward to engaging in conflict. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** WATCH THE SHOW BELOW via Video and/or Read the Transcription WATCH RAW FOOTAGE HERE (CC is available on this video): OR SCROLL DOWN TO READ THE TRANSCRIPTION BIO of Liane Davey:Dr. Liane Davey is a New York Times Bestselling author, a regular contributor to the Harvard Business Review, and the organizational psychology expert for Quartz magazine. As the co-founder of 3COze Inc., she advises on business strategy and executive team effectiveness and has worked with executives at companies such as Amazon, Walmart, Aviva, TD Bank, and SONY PlayStation. Liane has a Ph.D. in Organizational Psychology and has served as an evaluator for the American Psychological Association's Healthy Workplace awards. Links: www.facebook.com/drlianedavey www.twitter.com/lianedavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/liane-davey-2574911/ Recommended Book: Never Spit the Difference: Negotiating as if Your Life Depended On It by Chris Voss and Tahi Raz READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPTION of the EPISODE HERE (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages:: Mike: Welcome to the Respect Podcast. I'm your host Mike Domitrz from MikeSpeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions, and the U.S. military create a culture of respect. And respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike: Welcome to this episode, and today we have Dr. Liane Davey, who is a New York Times Best Selling Author, a regular contributor to the Harvard Business Review, and the organizational psychology expert for Quartz Magazine. As the co-founder of 3COze Inc., she advises on business strategy, executive team effectiveness, and has worked with executives at companies such as Amazon, Walmart, Aviva, TD Bank, and so much more. She has a PhD in Organizational Psychology, and has served as an evaluator for the American Psychological Association's Healthy Workplace Awards. Thank you, Liane, for joining me. Liane: Oh, it's great to be here. Nice to meet you, Mike. Mike: Well, it's nice to meet you, and have you on the show. Today, we're talking about the role of respect in conflict. To give everybody a little perspective, what expertise do you bring? What do you do when it comes to the topic of conflict? Liane: Yeah, so I spend most of my working life helping people have better conflict. A lot of people think that when you work with teams as a team advisor, that you are helping people have less conflict, but I find it's the exact the opposite. That one of the reasons we're so stressed out, one of the reasons we feel disrespected is because we're not very good at having conflict. I actually help people learn how to not avoid conflict, but actually to lean into it. But how to do it in a way that makes people feel respected, that strengthens trust between us, and helps us manage some of the stress associated with the interpersonal relationships. Mike: That sounds awesome. How do you describe conflict? How would you define it? Liane: Yeah. I think we immediately when we think of conflict, we think of fights and war, and things that are aversive, and things that we want to avoid at all costs. When we think about it in a relationship, we think about it as bullying, or we think about passive aggressiveness, and all of those are very, very unhealthy, and not something I'd ever encourage. Liane: But there is this whole side of conflict where people have incompatible, or opposing wishes, or demands, or desires, and they have to work through them. And the problem is if we paint all conflict with the same brush, then we avoid conversations that we need to have. In organizations, we need to have those conversations to be productive. In marriages, we need to have those conversations so that we can stay on the same page. There are a whole bunch of different places where the ability to have what I call productive conflict makes a huge difference. Mike: Well, and I think even language is important. You gave a great example there. You said people think of opposing views, right? Liane: Yeah. Mike: Well, opposing means opposite. And often views are not opposite. They're differing. Liane: Yeah. Mike: It doesn't mean because I believe that, and you believe this we're opposite. We just have a differing viewpoint on either the outcome or the means. Somewhere along the lines here that's where the conflict is. Liane: Yeah. Mike: It's just something is different, right? It's not in alignment. It's not exactly the same. But that language can be important, can't it? To our understanding of conflict. Liane: Yeah, absolutely. And how we frame things tends to be how we think about them. If we use the language of opposition, or if we ... It makes us feel more adversarial. If we use different language. I find most of the time our conflict is in a situation where those different needs, or demands are in tension with one another. And being in tension with one another, that's okay. That's normal. That's natural. Liane: You have one spouse who likes to be very planned, and very orderly, and make sure everything is working well. And one who likes to be spontaneous. And you know what? Great relationships have some of each, right? And you wouldn't want no tension on the crazy spontaneous person, or the bills would never get paid. But you don't want no tension on the person who is always so carefully and orderly 'cause you'd have no fun. Liane: Tension ... And we can talk about tension, and talk about it as a positive thing that helps stretch us, and grow us, as opposed to language of friction. 'Cause friction wears us down, we all know that. Yeah, how you use ... What words you use, and how you use the language frames how you think about conflict. Mike: Let's dive right into it. What would be an example that everyone can relate to for the most part, we know not ... There is no one universal. Liane: Yeah, yeah. Mike: Of this, and then where you can apply the skills you teach to that so we all learn this? Liane: Yeah. I often talk about situations where people are arguing about things as if they can't both be true. Maybe one of the famous examples would be ... Was it a Miller Light commercial where they were fighting over whether it was, taste's great, and less filling? Mike: Yes. Liane: And we get in those kinds of situations all the time, and we end up in this fight. "Taste's great." "No, less filling." Why are we fighting about this? I talk about what I call two truths. If we can in situations where we're just going head-to-head, and acting as though only one thing can be true, if we can instead say, "Okay, if it's true that it tastes great. You think it tastes great. Okay. I think I drink it 'cause it's less filling. Better for my waistline." Those two things can be true at the same time. Liane: If you take ... A typical situation that I would run into at organizations would be when you're trying to use budget. Somebody says, "Look, I think every penny we've got needs to go into better advertising, and better marketing." And somebody else might say, "I think that money needs to go into training for our salespeople." And so when you can take the two truths, say, "Okay, for you this is really about more advertising. Increasing the number of calls we get, or the number of people who come into look at our product. Okay, for me this is actually about when the customer calls, I'm not sure we're saying the right things to get their business, so how could we solve for both of those things? How do we make sure we've got lots of calls coming in, and that when the calls come in, we're saying the right things to capture that business." All of a sudden what you've done is instead of framing it as, "Are you kidding me? Spend more on advertising, that's ridiculous!" Where it's gonna feel adversarial. Now you've just framed it as, "Oh, okay, so you think that's important, and I think this is important, how are we gonna solve this?" Liane: And problem solving is innately curious. It's a process that you can engage in as allies instead of as adversaries. Little techniques like that, that work in all sorts of common scenarios, where you think that it has to be one or the other, try assuming that both are true. And if you say that right out loud, if the person is expecting you ... Say this guy has been going on about more advertising for ages, and finally this time you say, "Oh, so you think the ticket is advertising." He's probably gonna go, "Huh? Did you ... I've been saying that for years." Mike: Yeah, and I love it. And I can see some people thinking even the word you think can be dangerous, right? Liane: Yep. It can. Mike: If I say to them, "Oh, for you the advertising is critical." Liane: Right. Mike: That's different then, "Oh, so you think the advertising is critical?" Liane: Yep. Mike: 'Cause that can imply to some people, right? That, "Oh, what do you mean I think it's critical? It is critical. It's not I think. It's critical." Liane: Yep. Yeah, you're right. For you, advertising is critical is a much better way of saying it. Mike: Okay. Liane: Yeah, absolutely. Mike: 'Cause I was just curious. Oh, I could see people picking that off, and really zoning in on that one word 'cause conflict can do that. Liane: Yeah. Mike: It can get people focused in the wrong spot. Liane: Just let me go back to that one. People ask me about this all the time. They're like, "Oh, I've got to get every word right." You don't have to. You can do what I just did. If you go ... If you say I think, or you think by accident. And the person goes, "I think? I don't just think." Right, if the freakout. Just go, "Oh, I'm so sorry. That totally came out wrong. For you this is really about advertising." Actually, what you do when you mess up does as much to say I'm working hard here to resolve this in a positive way, as if you get it all perfectly. I just don't want your viewers to think if I don't have the perfect words, I better say nothing. If you try it with good intent, and you mess up a bit, just go, "Uh. Sorry. My bad. [inaudible 00:09:17]. Mike: Yeah, that's what we teach in any form of intervention. Bystander intervention, you hear somebody say something inappropriate. People are like, "Oh, if I don't say the right thing, then I'm not gonna say anything at all." I'm like, "Say the wrong thing then. You can apologize" ... I mean, don't intentionally say the wrong thing. Liane: Right. Mike: At least say what you think is right, and if it's wrong you can work with correcting that. Liane: Yeah. Mike: And so that's what you're describing. Liane: Yeah. Mike: It shows a genuine care, and sincere wanting to help you. Liane: Yes. Mike: And that's what we're seeking here. And so that was a great example in the workplace. What's a common one in home life? Let's say between a young couple. Liane: Okay, so it's a different technique. A very common one is one person is already home from work, and the other one comes through the door, and goes, "Uh. I had the worst day." And what often happens is that person gets completely dismissed by the other person saying something like, "You think you had a bad day. Wait til you hear about my day." Or just ignoring it all together, "What do you want for dinner?" Right? The number one technique to not trigger conflict is to actually validate the other person. Validating doesn't mean you have to agree with them. "You're right. Your day was the worst day ever in history." You don't have to say that, but you do have to do something that says to them I heard you, and I get it. You don't have to agree with it. Liane: But so when somebody comes to the door, and they go, "I had the worst day." "Oh, that sucks. What happened?" Just something that says ... Some eye contact that says I'm paying attention to you, that you matter. Something that says I heard you. Something that says I'm interested in you. And if at the end of that you've let the person tell you for ten minutes about how it was the worst possible day ever in history, then you can say, "Yeah, well, okay, thanks for sharing that. Yeah, my day was no picnic either." And you can add it, as opposed to kind of right off the bat invalidating the person. That's one of the most common things we get wrong in relationships. Liane: I get it wrong with my kids sometimes. When my older daughter was younger, she was quite anxious about things, and she'd say, "Mom, the mall is scary." And I would say, "No, it's not." It's a horrible thing to invalidate someone else, and once I realized I was doing it, I could change to, "What makes the mall scary for you?" That's the number one tip is, just start by validating the other person with your eyes, with your body language, by reflecting what they've said. And it's amazing how the whole rest of the evening will go differently when you start that way. Mike: Well, and this is at the heart of respect. Liane: Yes. Mike: When I work with corporations or organizations, and we talk about what respect means to them. Phrases like being seen, being heard is what makes people feel respected. Not things as much as my pay, or my title. But it's to be seen, to be heard, to be appreciated. To walk through the door, and to be validated is to be seen, is to be valued. And now I feel respected, especially coming from a place where I might not have felt respected. Liane: Right. Mike: This might have been that horrible day because I did not feel respected, and valued in where I came from. Liane: Yeah. You want home to be the place where you always feel seen, where you feel valued, where you feel important. It's just such a huge opportunity we have for the people that we care about to just do something that maybe they haven't had for the whole rest of the day, and we blow it way more often than any of us like to admit. Mike: Well, and we're human. And so how do we help the person who is bulldozing us be more aware so that they can validate us, they can see that we need validation. How do we start that conversation? 'Cause that's a different form of conflict, right? Liane: Yeah. Mike: That's the person of, hey, I'm doing my best to connect to them, and they're just running me over. They're bulldozing me here. Whether it's at home. And I don't mean physically, but it can be just controlling conversations, which can be a form of abuse absolutely, but in the workplace too. How do we approach that person? Liane: Yeah, I think what I learned is that in dealing with strength, sometimes it's more compelling to actually respond with sadness. If somebody is sort of bulldozing over you, not listening to you, dominating the convers…

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    #9 - Skip Weisman shares about Respect & Workplace Communication Aug 01, 2018
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    Learn about how to draw and respect all the voices into a conversation - including balancing those who want to dominate and those who don't feel comfortable speaking up with former MLB executive, Skip Weisman as he shares with Mike Domitrz. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** LISTEN TO THE SHOW BELOW via Video, Audio, and/or Read the Transcription WATCH RAW FOOTAGE HERE (CC is available on this video): OR SCROLL DOWN TO READ THE TRANSCRIPTION BIO of Skip Weisman:Skip Weisman is a former professional baseball executive who, since 2002, has been working with small businesses with six to 60 employees to create championship leadership teams and company cultures. Skip works with small business owners in virtually every industry from hometown banks and credit unions, independent insurance agencies, small manufacturers, food distributors, and even plumbers. During his baseball career Skip served as CEO for five different franchises over 16 years leading teams affiliated with the Boston Red Sox, Cincinnati Reds, New York Mets, Seattle Mariners, Tampa Bay Rays and Texas Rangers. In his work today Skip focuses first on improving communication in the work environment, which is always the primary cause of problems, challenges, frustrations, and issues getting in the way of a more positive, more productive, and even more profitable company. In 2018, Skip's first book will be published, "Overcoming The 7 Deadliest Communication SINs: A New Standard for Workplace Communication." The 3 Primary Communication Errors Skip Shared on this Episode Lack of Specificity Lack of Immediacy, Urgency, and Promptness Lack of Directness and Candor Links: Book site: www.7DeadliestCommunicationSINs.com Primary Website: www.YourChampionshipCompany.com Twitter: skip_weisman LinkedIN: www.linkedin.com/in/skipweisman/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/yourchampionshipcompany/ Recommended Book: The Road Less Traveled by M. Scott Peck READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPTION of the EPISODE HERE (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages:: Mike: Welcome to the Respect Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Domitrz from mikespeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions, and the US military create a culture of respect. And respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike: And for this episode, we have Skip Weisman. [inaudible 00:00:20] give you a little background on Skip. Skip's a formal professional baseball executive who, since 2002, has been working with small businesses with 6 to 60 employees to create championship leadership teams and company culture. So, thank you very much Skip for joining us. Skip: Thank you for your interest in having me, Mike. Looking forward to the conversation. Mike: Absolutely. So, let's dive right into it. How does respect play ... So, you worked as an executive in baseball. Can you give people a little more background in what kind of an executive role you were in. Skip: Yes. It's interesting. Whenever people hear I spent time in professional baseball, they all think I was on the field as a ball player or managing or coaching, or whatever. And what I tell people, my main job was to put butts in seats, keep the beer cold, and the bathrooms clean. Mike: All right. So, you were on the facility ... Well, actually you're on attendance and facilities side, it sounds like. Skip: Yeah. I was basically the business manager for the team, to again, put butts in seats, sell tickets, sell sponsorships, sell advertising, and do all the crazy, wacky promotions that people might experience when they go to the ballpark to make it a fun family piece of entertainment. Mike: All right. So, let's dive in. We're all about respect. How did respect play a role in that role as an executive with major league baseball? Skip: When I was a young leader, I made an awful lot of communication mistakes that caused a lot of disrespect in our work environment. Caused negative workplace relationships that really caused me problems as an organizational leader for building a team of employees that I needed to help get things done. And so, what I realized was that I was creating my own problems with how I was communicating. Coming across what other people thought was disrespectfully to them. I didn't realize it, 'cause I was just doing my thing, communicating in my own way. Skip: And some of the feedback I got, some of the pushback I got took a while for me to realize what was happening or not happening. And I realized, in looking back, that a lot of the way I was communicating was really causing a work environment that was not as steeped in respect as it probably needed to be. Mike: So, I think a lot of people can fall into that trap. So, to help people understand so they might realize, they might see the mirror in front of them, can you give some examples of where you look back and you go, hey, I was doing it this way? Like, a specific example. How you talked to someone. I don't know if that what it was. But, an example of that, where you could have been more respectful. Skip: Yeah. Well, especially from a leadership perspective, when I was leading my staffs, and we had small staffs, pretty much the same size as I work with now. Anywhere from a half a dozen people on up to maybe, I think 12 or 15 was the size companies I work with. But, as the young organizational leader, I was sort of the boss. I liked being the boss, I liked being in charge, and I made a lot of unilateral decisions without really getting input and feedback from people as to whether how this affected them, or what they thought, whether if they thought it was a good idea or not. Skip: And that really rubbed people the wrong way, because some of the key decisions I was making really impacted their jobs, their lives, or whatever. And so, it really created some real angst and animosity [inaudible 00:03:37] staff. So, to give you an example, we had a situation back in my early days where we were under the gun getting ready for our season. And, in minor league baseball, professional baseball where I was, what a lot of people don't understand is that we actually work during the off season. We don't just show up on opening day and everything happens. And so, a major part of our time is from October to March. Those six months in the off season are really key. Skip: And, because there was some things that were going on in our community, we were not able to do a lot of our work in the fall. And so, we were under the gun. January 1st hit. We had two-and-a-half months to get ready for our season. And, we were under the gun. So, I just made a decision that I was gonna have the staff work basically from 8:00 to 6:00 instead of 9:00 to 5:00. Just expand the hours, made sure we were committed to getting things done. People didn't like that. I was expanding the required work hours 'cause everybody was on salary. Wasn't an hourly wage thing. So, we're making the same money from working extra hours. Mike: So, they're gaining 10 hours a week at least. Skip: Yeah. And I basically dictated that. Well, that created a mutiny on my staff. Any my number two guy went over my head, tried to go to my boss to have that overturned. And, although my boss supported me in the effort, it created some real issues with our relationship for the rest of the season. Mike: Well, that's a great example. So, do you find that ... How do you bring all the voices in respectfully and yet not have things out of control? They always say, "Too many leaders in the room." So, how do you find ... Nowadays, you learn that lesson. Hey, I don't want to be the dictator that's just running in there and saying, "Here's how it is." How do you find the right balance? Skip: Well, I think what you have to do is you just have to be open to listening, and asking questions, and if you know something is going to impact somebody else in whatever way, at least get their input. Allow them to express their opinion and be heard. And at the end of the day, obviously somebody has to make the end decision. But, as long as somebody feels like they're heard, you've considered their opinion, you just haven't made a dictatorial unilateral decision without getting input from people, I think most people will be okay with it. They may not agree with it, they may not like it. At least they will accept it and be more on board with it, because at least they felt they were considered and their issues were considered. Skip: And so, I think [inaudible 00:06:08] have to do is get input from everybody, and take it under consideration, but then at the end of the day you have the decision, and I think if you do that and you're respectful of other people, show that you care about them, you're empathetic, and you do respect them as part of the team, and you respect their opinions, and you feed it back after that consideration, I think most people will be okay with it. Mike: And do you find that it's better to seek all those opinions in a group setting, like a team discussion? Like, [inaudible 00:06:35] have an open discussion on this? Or do you find one-on-one is more powerful? Skip: It depends on the dynamics and the relationships. I would primarily probably do it one-on-one initially. What you can do one-on-one is then, after you gain that data ... You bring people together, say, "Hey, this is what I've heard from everybody." And you list those things out, or you talk about them, say, "This is what everybody's been saying. I really take it, I see your points here and there." And so, everybody else can see what everybody else said. And then, this is how I came to the decision. This is why I've decided to go in this direction. So, I would probably do it individually at first, and present it to the team in that way, is probably the best way to go. Mike: You learn over the years, and you don't know in your early years. Same for me when I was a coach, is that, when you put it out to the team, you're forgetting that not everybody has the same strength of self-esteem to share. So, what happens is, you get the strong personalities really running the input, and there's people with brilliant ideas sitting behind them going, "I'm not speaking up." But they're brilliant, and we think we heard everyone's voices, so we think, I did my job. I said to everyone, "What are you thinking?" And only two spoke up, so I took that ... That's the trap there, isn't it? Skip: Yeah. And it's funny, when I facilitated team sessions like you're talking about, my client is usually amazed at the end of the session. "Boy, how did you get everybody participating?" And sharing goes, usually I get 10 percent of the people control the meeting and everything. I said, "Well, there's ways to do that." What I do is, I put people in groups. Put them in groups of two or three to discuss the issue. And people are a lot more forthcoming and comfortable in those small group discussions. And then, if you do have people who are ordinarily outspoken and like to hear themselves talk or whatever, you can mitigate that by putting people in groups, and writing the group share out so that it's not always the same people, and there's ways to do that if you do it the right way and facilitate it. Mike: Well yeah, and a lot of people don't realize, when they see a situation like that, typically what they do is, they spread those people out. The outspoken, the strong. And let's say you have 10 groups. They put one in every group. And actually, the brilliant thing to do is stick them all together, because only one can represent the group. Skip: Yes. Exactly. Mike: So, if you put all five of ... Let's say there's five of them and there's 10 groups. You put all five in one group, the other nine groups have to come to the forward now with their own voices, with their own uniqueness, and that five is only represented by one. I assume that's what you're referring to, that technique. Skip: Exactly. Right, yeah. Mike: And so many people get that wrong. In organizations, companies, and schools, they think, "Oh, I'll spread them out." That's your nightmare, 'cause then they, once again, are trying ... [inaudible 00:09:31] percent is trying to run the show, steamroll people, they have the ability to now. Skip: Yeah. Yup, absolutely. They'll dominate if given the chance. Mike: Yeah. So, how do you draw the voice out in that situation of the person who is more timid about speaking out? 'Cause we want to respect them and we want to show that we do respect and value them and their contributions, and their genius. They might not yet. That might be part of the reason they're quiet. I don't have anything to contribute. But they do if we ask them the right questions. How do you go about drawing that person out? Skip: Again, I think it's about setting expectations. And for a lot of those people, it's often preparation. So, I think you can sort of grease the skids or whatever by helping them prepare a little bit in advance. Maybe give them some homework or prep work to come to the meeting with, and set the expectation, I really want to hear from you. And so, on the front end, do a little bit of homework, and then, probably as you know, there's not enough of that. People just show up at a meeting and expect people to participate. Skip: So, I think if you can go around to some of those people and really express the fact that you want to hear from them, and I know it may take you a little more time to get your thoughts together, so I just want to give you some prep. This is what we'll be talking about, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on these two or three items. And come prepared to contribute in your group, and contribute to the bigger thing. So, I think it may take a little more preparation for those people to feel comfortable with it. Mike: If you're going one-to-one, and you say, "Hey, I'd like you to take a look at this," so they can contribute, is there a risk that someone finds out ... Do you need to do it with everyone? Do you need to give an assignment to everyone in that case, because if you don't, it becomes clear some people are getting pinpointed? Skip: Yeah, I think you have to be careful with that. I think it's about knowing your people and all. Most people that are, if they're that shy and that timid, they're probably not gonna tell anybody that they've been tasked with that anyway. So, the fact that it gets out may not happen. But yeah, I think there's always that concern. You want to be careful and make sure you're treating everybody equitably and all. But yeah, I think it's just something to be careful of and be aware of. Mike: Skip, you specifically work on helping communication in those leadership teams in companies. What do you think are the three to five biggest mistakes you see? 'Cause almost always, it can somehow relate to respect when we look at these topics of communication. So, what do you see as the three to five most common errors that leaders or managers make? By the way, you can include those who aren't leaders and managers. Those who would be on the line. Skip: Yeah. I've written a book called "The Seven Deadliest Communication Sins." And it just came out in April. And…

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    #8 - Alan Stein Jr discusses High Achievement, Performance & Respect Jul 25, 2018
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    Join Mike Domitrz as he asks Alan Stein Jr how respect plays a role in extremely high level achievement and performance - from pro athletes to leading world-class organizations. Discover the key to respecting ROLES within a team or organization, especially when you may not like one or more individual persons on the team. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** BIO of Alan Stein Jr:Alan Stein, Jr. is a performance coach, consultant, speaker and author. He spent 15 years working with the highest performing basketball players on the planet.Alan delivers high-energy keynotes and interactive workshops to improve performance, cohesion and accountability. He inspires and empowers everyone he works with to take immediate action and improve mindset, habits and productivity.In other words, Alan teaches how to utilize the same strategies in business that elite athletes use to perform at a world-class level.He is an amicably divorced father of twin sons (Luke and Jack) and a daughter (Lyla) and lives just outside of Washington, D.C.. Links to Alan Stein Jr: http://www.AlanSteinJr.com @AlanSteinJr on IG, Twitter, FB and LinkedIn Book Recommendations: Leading with the Heart by Mike Kryzewski and Donald T Phillips Exactly What To Say by Phil Jones Same Side Selling Ian Altman & Jack Quaries READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPTION of the EPISODE HERE (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages:: Recorded Mike: Welcome to The RESPECT Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Domitrz from mikespeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions and the US Military create a culture of respect, and respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike: Welcome to this episode, yes, I'm your host Mike Domitrz. I'm excited to have our guest today, Alan Stein Jr., he is with alansteinjr.com, make sure you put the jr in there, the j-r, 'cause it is a very different website if you do not put the j-r in there. Thanks for joining us here today Alan. Alan: Oh, my pleasure Mike, thank you. Mike: So Alan, you're all about performance, and this show's all about respect. So let's dive in to how does respect play a role in performance. I should back up a little bit, 'cause you've done TEDx talks, you speak with organizations, sports teams, pro teams, you have a wide variety of experience, so let's start there. Mike: Can you give a little quick background on you. Alan: Yeah, absolutely. I've spent most of my career in basketball, primarily at the youth level, but was able to work with some really elite level youth, many of which are playing in the MBA now. And my number one job then was to improve their on-court performance, so I was working on their athleticism and so forth. Alan: About a year and a half ago, I decided to parley everything that I've learned from the game of basketball and from some of the world's best players and coaches, and take that over to the corporate sector to teach businesses and organizations how they can improve their performance. And there's a very very high rate of transfer, I mean, what it takes for a Kobey Bryant or LeBron James or Stephen Curry to be successful, is not that different from the fundamentals that it take guys like you and I to be successful as well. Alan: So I'm having a blast in this new space and I was really looking forward to this conversation because I believe respect is the foundation to which all of this is built, and look forward to volleying that back and forth with you. Mike: Well we're gonna dive right in there, 'cause that's what I do when I work with organizations, is help them build the foundation or culture of respect. So how do you feel it's vital and plays a role in performance? Alan: When I was working with basketball players, respect was something that was talked about all of the time and it was emphasized from a few different vantage points. One thing that I learned as a coach, you get what you emphasize. So if you want a culture of respect then certainly you need to be a respectful person and you need to give respect to those around you. But it goes deeper to that, going back to basketball players, first of all they have to have a respect for themselves. They have to respect their body, and take care of their body to make sure they are in great physical shape, they need to respect the game, they need to respect the process of what it takes to be a great player, which means not skipping steps and doing and mastering the basics and fundamentals. Alan: They need to respect their team-mates and their coaches of course, they need to respect the officials, respect is the thread that binds all of these different things together, and I don't think that it's any different in the corporate world. I'm a huge believer, and I love that you mentioned culture, I believe culture is what drives sustainable results and creating a culture of respect is imperative and for me, I've never liked the word employee. I'm a stickler for terminology and sometimes I feel like the word employee gives a connotation that someone is superior to someone else. Alan: So I always perform just using the word colleague, and if I was the CEO and there were 500 people "working for me", I would still want them to view me as a colleague, and I would treat them with the same respect that I would treat anyone in the organization, from the building service person all the way through the executive staff. Everyone should be treated with the same dignity and respect, and that needs to be, again, I know we keep using the word foundation, but everything else will crumble if you don't have that in place. Mike: I agree, and it's true in homes too, 'cause some people listening to our show, they're applying this to their family life. So how do you see it showing up in family life? Alan: So I'm amicably divorced and the reason I bring that up, first of all I realized that I'm in the minority of folks that are divorced, to be able to say that you're amicably divorced and get along really well with your ex, I'm finding that that's a rarity, so I'm very thankful for that. Alan: But the only reason that I can boast that is because we both immediately, despite our differences, said we're going to approach this divorce with respect. We have three children, we have twin sons that are eight, and a six year-old daughter and we both said look, despite the fact that our relationship's not what we thought it would be, the way that we respect each other is going to have a profound impact on how our children view the world, and how our children enter relationships. The way that I treat their mother, that's how my sons will eventually learn how to treat women. I'm modeling that for them. And for my daughter, the way that I treat her mother is how she'll be expected to be treated by men. Alan: So to me, being respectful in all cases is really important and as I know that you know, you can disagree, you can have debate, you can have professional differences, but you can do so in a very respectful and tactful and appropriate way. This isn't about everybody holding hands and singing Kumbaya all of the time. It's okay to have differences, differences in beliefs and differences in opinion. Bu you can have those differences respectfully and that is one of the most important things that I want to model for my children. Mike: Love it, and that is exactly what we teach with parents, what are you role modeling. Even when it comes to, we teach, hey, would you want your child to have a choice before somebody kisses them? And they're like, of course, I don't want someone just kissing my child without ... Okay, but do you role model that? And parents like, what do you mean, ask my spouse before I kiss them? Well how else are they gonna learn? Mike: And why wouldn't you just do that because it's the right thing to do. But parents go, well that's not what most people do. Well tradition isn't necessarily healthy or respectful. Alan: That's a great way to separate those two and I agree completely. Modeling, especially when it comes to children, is what's most important. And respect comes into that ten-fold. I can talk about being respectful to my children, but if they see me disrespect a waiter or waitress, or a flight attendant, or anybody else, a cashier, that's gonna speak at a much higher volume than what I tell them to do. So it always comes back to modeling. Alan: But not just for children. The same is true in coaching, the same is true in leadership. I've always believed that time is our most precious resource and one of the ways that we show other people that we respect them is by being respectful of their time and valuing their time. So while things obviously pop up, I'm not gonna imply that I've never been late to anything, but I do my best to be prompt, if not early, to every engagement that I have because I think that's a sign of respect. Alan: Perfect example would be, someone in a leadership position telling everybody on the staff that they need to be on time for meetings, and then they themselves walk in three minutes late. I find that to be disrespectful behavior. Now it doesn't mean they're a disrespectful person, it just means in that example they exhibited disrespectful behavior. And I think respect undermines everything that we do in every aspect of our life. Mike: Well let's back up there, 'cause I think you said something very important. It's also in the mindfulness level, which is, disrespectful behavior does not mean disrespectful person. Right, this is not, you made a bad choice therefore you are a bad person. This is, you're a good person who's failing to display respect, or to show respect or to give respect, and that is a different discussion, because as soon as people think, are you calling me not respectful?, now you got a battle, now you got friction going on, they're not opening to learning, or new possibilities. Alan: Absolutely, and I love that you're able to separate behavior from the underlying character of a person, because we all we're flawed, we're all under construction, we're all works in progress, we're all going to make mistakes, and especially if you're going to have a respectful disagreement or a respectful confrontation with someone, I think it's important that you do separate those things. And for me, to be able to say, yeah Mike, you showing up to the meeting late today was disrespectful of your colleagues is different than me saying. Mike, you're disrespectful, or you don't have any respect for this organization, or you don't respect the person next to you. Especially if you've established the credibility that I know that you do, you just made a mistake, and it'd be no different than certainly I've said my share of boneheaded things in the past, that doesn't mean I'm a stupid person. I may have said something stupid or said something that I wish that I wouldn't have said the way that I said it, but we can't let that tear down everything. Alan: However, I will say that when someone continually shows habits of disrespect, that now that does question some portions of their character. It's that old adage, the first time you do something, it's a mistake; the second time it's a decision. So if I'm constantly late to meetings, then I'm not valuing the time of my colleagues and that's something that needs to be addressed. Mike: Yeah, and we talk about this, that the person who even if you don't like them, you still have to treat them with respect. That's the foundation of saying we're creating a culture of respect. It's one thing we teach organizations all the time, if they go, well that person ... like you gave an example there. I can say that says something about your character and I still have to respect you. It's not, and because that says about your character, now I don't have to respect you, which is what people will do. Mike: And the irony is, to say that person is disrespectful, you just disrespected. You just blanketed their entire character, or they don't ... here's my one that I talk about a lot with organizations. They haven't earned my respect. Which means, well when did you earn their respect? You see the game that gets played here? Now we get to choose who we want to respect and who we don't wanna respect, versus I'm gonna respect you no matter what happens I'm gonna respect you as a fellow person. Now I may disagree with you, or not value certain values you have or judgements you have, that's different than not respecting you as a person, or your intellect, or your contributions. Alan: Absolutely, you stated that brilliantly. And that's coming from a place of humility that we're all on a level playing field. Just the fact that we're standing upright and we're breathing, we're human beings and we're worthy and deserving of respect of each other. And that has to be that foundation. Alan: It's funny because in my talks I actually substitute the word respect for care. And say that you don't have to like the person next to you, but you choose whether or not you care about them because caring is an act of will, caring is a choice. And when organizations have folks that can care, or in your case, respect, I think in this case they're synonyms, if you can respect the person next to you even if they're not your BFF, that's how you build a really strong culture. Because you choose whether or not to respect someone else, you choose whether or not to care about them. You choose whether or not you're going to respect or care about the mission of the organization, so no, we're definitely speaking the same language. Mike: Why Alan, I like this because I think there's some differences that are important to discuss, which is the care and respect. And the reason why we use respect in those situations. I could care about a relative who I think does not contribute well to conversations, therefore I will not respect their opinion, is what can happen. So, I love you but I can't stand what you say. Mike: We all have family members that will say, I love that person, I can't stand what they say, and so right away there's a little bit of disrespect. So I can care and disrespect, people do it. I love you, but I discount this part, or I discount that. Which means, that's not truly caring. Mike: So, I agree with you, full caring would be very close, but people tend to dice and play with those and say, well, I care but I don't value you because of this. Okay, well respect means you have to value me, do I add value in this world? Mike: I think a great example is in the sport's world, we can go look at basketball back in the day, those who are old enough who are listening know that during Michael Jordan's run he had a key piece on his team, a key piece that people wondered how did they operate on the same court? How did this person have the patience to deal with this other person's off the court antics and seemed to be self-focused, and a lot of people when they hear this they know that we're referring to a great rebounder in Dennis Rodman. Alan: I saw it coming. Mike: Yes right, and…

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    #7 - Being Crisis Ready with Melissa Agnes and host Mike Domitrz Jul 18, 2018
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    Listen in as Melissa Agnes talks with Mike Domitrz about how most organizations fail to be crisis ready and why respect plays a key role in the process.

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    BIO of Melissa Agnes: Author of Crisis Ready: Building an Invincible Brand in an Uncertain World, Melissa Agnes is a leading authority on crisis preparedness, reputation management, and brand protection. Agnes is a coveted speaker, commentator, and advisor to some of today's leading organizations faced with the greatest risks. As a strategic advisor and keynote speaker, Melissa Agnes has worked with NATO, Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defense, financial firms, technology companies, healthcare organizations, cities and municipalities, law enforcement agencies, global non-profits, and many others, helping them understand risk and build invincible brands that can withstand even the most devastating of events. In 2015, she gave a TEDx talk in Los Angeles where she discussed the secret to successful crisis management in the 21st century. Agnes is the editor of theCrisis ReadyBlog, a contributor toForbes, and a go-to source for the press, with recent coverage including theWall Street Journal, VIBE Magazine, USA Today, and many others. As a university guest lecturer, Agnes teaches crisis management in university courses around the world, including at NYU and McGill. LINKS: MelissaAgnes.com Books Recommended by Melissa: The Now Revolution by Jay Bauer and Amber Nasland

    #6 - Sean Stephenson talks respect, agendas, and self-development Jul 11, 2018
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    Dr. Sean Stephenson dives deep with Mike Domitrz into our self-value, self-esteem, when we are in a dark place, and much more. From the importance of owning your Agenda and stating it clearly to being independent from your partner's happiness. This show is packed with incredible wisdom!! * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** WATCH RAW FOOTAGE of THE SHOW HERE (CC is available on this video):https://youtu.be/zqhWqKGl6fc OR SCROLL DOWN TO READ THE TRANSCRIPTION Dr. Sean Stephenson's BIO: Dr. Sean Stephenson was predicted not to survive at birth because of a rare bone disorder that stunted his growth and caused his bones to be extremely fragile (fracturing over 200 times by the age of 18). Despite his challenges, he took a stand for a quality of life that has inspired millions of people around the world. Over the past 24 years, his powerful message has been heard at live events in nearly all 50 states and in 16 countries. Sean has presented at hospitals, universities, prisons, and to companies such as Nike, Whole Foods, Zappos, Walmart, and Sharp Healthcare. He's shared the stage with U.S. Presidents, billionaire business moguls, celebrities, and his Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. Sean has appeared on everything from The Oprah Show to Jimmy Kimmel, in addition to online videos with tens of millions of views. The Biography Channel produced an hour-long feature on his life called, Three Foot Giant. Book Sean Recommends: The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz Links to Sean: https://seanstephenson.com/ Sean TEDx Talk on the Prison of Your Mind at https://youtu.be/VaRO5-V1uK0 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Seanclinch READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPTION of the EPISODE HERE (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages: Mike: Welcome to the Respect podcast. I am your host Mike Domitrz from mikespeaks.com where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions and the US military, create a culture of respect. And respect is exactly what we discuss on this show. So let's get started. Mike: Alright I am super excited today because I get to have a friend of mine, a brother of mine, not by blood but certainly by all other methods. We've known each other for so long, we built the early years of our speaking businesses together. Up on the phone until 4 a.m. trying to make a difference in this world together, decades ago now. And so happy to have you on. So this is Dr. Sean Stevenson, a dear friend, brilliant. You may know him because you may have seen him on TV. That's correct. For instance, the biography channel produced an hour long feature on his life called the Three Foot Giant. Mike: But he's also worked with companies like Nike, Whole Foods, Zappos, Walmart, Sharp Healthcare. He's shared the stage with presidents, billionaires, business moguls, celebrities, and the Dalai Lama. It's just amazing, Sean's story. Now Sean, obviously I know your story inside and out but I'm going to let you tell the brief version of it, so it comes from your authentic voice. Give me a little background on how you got to where you are today, helping organizations and individuals really develop to where they want to be. Sean: Yeah, yeah. So, I'd say the most fascinating part that people get really zoned in on when they're learning about Sean Stevenson and what I have to offer is they're intrigued by the container I'm in. That's where it starts. Being born with a rare bone disorder called Osteogenesis Imperfecta, also known as brittle bones disorder. Doctors told my parents I'd be dead within the first 24 hours of my life and my joke on stage is 39 years later, all those doctors are dead and I'm still here. The only doctor remaining. And that I have a very clear message to rid this world of insecurity. I've had to face a lot of my own insecurities. Still do to this day and my mentors over the years have really groomed me. And I'm so grateful that they have pushed on me to look at what can I do with the time that I have to make the biggest splash on this planet while I'm still here? And hopefully create a body of work that will outlive beyond. Sean: And I met you, as you said, through that process of evolving. And Mike, I consider you my frientor. You're as much a friend as a mentor. And my goal here today is to share with the listener, the viewer to ... how I have built up an internal world that is a very peaceful space and one that I think then creates a space externally that can help that permeate into society. And by no means am I perfect. I've made a bunch of mistakes. I'm continuing to make them, but as I've learned, if you're willing to observe your own ego and really work on yourself, forgive what you've done and move forward, you can really create some cool things with the time you've got here. Mike: And you have. You already have, in addition to what you will do going forward. How do you think respect played a role both in your early years, maybe where it was a struggle to figure out what I'm going to do here, what my path is going to be, and then on each juncture along the way? Sean: If I could define respect for me, so that we're on similar footing on what I think is respect, I think respect is acknowledging value. And the moment somebody doesn't feel valued, their body doesn't feel valued, their intellect doesn't feel valued, their emotions, their spirit. When we feel devalued, we don't feel respected. And it works the same from within. So if you aren't acknowledging your own value, you aren't seeing what are you doing right and what are you proud of and what are you grateful for. When you're not willing to go inside and acknowledge your value and what you created, you won't be able to respect yourself. And therefore ... it's very hard to give something to somebody else that you won't give to yourself. Sean: You can do it. There's a lot of people that are nice to others that aren't nice to themselves, but it's a lot easier to have peace externally if you have peace internally. And I also kind of merge something else in with this respect conversation, which is trust. And I believe that those are two pillars of gaining somebody's rapport, gaining rapport with them. And if respect in my definition is acknowledging value, then trust is acknowledging agenda. That if you are clear on what your agenda is and you are actually truthful about your agenda and you're not saying one thing and doing another, if you are clear on your agendas, people can begin to trust you. Sean: And then if you make sure that their value is acknowledged, the second you know someone's agenda and it's accurate, and you know they respect you, you will allow them in to coach you, to lead you, to guide you. And the moment pain arises, the moment you pull back go "Ow, why'd you do that" is the moment that somebody feels that your agenda wasn't authentic or that you actually didn't really believe that they were valuable and you were just going through the motions to try to win them over. Sean: And what I've found is as long as we have that bond of this person sees my value and I know what their true agenda is, we can create such magic together. And you don't even need to ... this is what blows my mind. You don't even need to like somebody to trust them because you could see them and they could be clear about something that you're like "Nah, I don't want anything to do with them." But at least when you know what their agenda is, you know what you're dealing with. I always have a problem is when people express an agenda that's false. They tell a girl "Oh, I love you" when they really don't love them. "I care about your children's well-being" when they really just care about your money. Sean: And when we get those mixed agendas and then on top of it they don't really, truly see our value, they just came up with some pat response, it's really hard to build a bond. Mike: Yeah, let's dive into this because I can remember back in my early days and even a decade ago, when I would send out an email and you'd learn from people who say "Well, take the email strategy this way so they don't really know what you're seeking is this over here." And you think okay they know what they're doing, I'll take that formula and you suddenly notice "Wait, nobody's wanting to respond to my emails a year later." Because you created a ... you though you were doing the right thing because you were mission based, you were topic based, you believed in what you were doing, but it wasn't a clear agenda. Mike: You're better off to say if you're a salesperson "Yeah, this is what I'm selling. Yeah, because I believe in it, that's why." Sean: So, we sell a lot through our company and we hold live events. You're actually going to be speaking at one soon. By the way, I've been looking forward to that for four years. So, when we start that event, we come right out and say "Look, we're going to pack this weekend together with great people, great material, and then we're going to, at some point we're going to make an offer to you that may or may not be for you and it's only for those that want to continue the party with me. That want to continue to learn and be guided and have the kind of fun that we're going to have. If that's not of interest to you, just listen and see what you can learn about sales in general and do what you want. You are free to follow your intuition." Sean: And by setting that standard, being very clear, "I'm going to ask for fun tickets." Money, right? "I'm going to ask you for your fun tickets. In exchange I'm going to give you more fun and learning and is it okay if I do it in a way that you get a ton of value for what you already paid for and I'm just sharing with you an opportunity if you want to continue the party. Do I have your permission to make that offer to you?" Everybody said yes. Mike: Right. Exactly. Because you're being upfront. But it's amazing how when we're raised in this society we're taught "Don't do that. Don't show your cards." Sean: Because they think it's not going to work. Mike: Right. It's fear. Sean: Because they think it's not going to work. It's fear. It's also because let's be clear Mike, and I know you know this, but the listener needs to know this, and that is human beings can make a lot of impact financially and movement by screwing people over. And so if you are interpreting that "Oh, I need to screw people over to make movement in income." That's an incorrect statement. Because that's one way. It's not the way I like to roll. It's not the way you like to roll. It's not the way I think your listener would want to roll. But when you're naïve and you're just getting your start and you see somebody and you see that they're getting financial success or they're getting more exposure, you think "Oh, I guess I need to be a jerk." Sean: And it's not true that's ... there are many ways to get inside a house. You can either put dynamite on the side of the wall or you can use a key. They'll both get you in. They'll both gain you entrance. One's going to have a far less devastating impact. Mike: Yeah, that's a great analogy. I love that. And so, we were talking there about the fact of how we go about being upfront and being honest. What do you think is the number one fear people have in that moment? Because agenda is everything. We have agendas with our family. We have agendas with our work. Sean: The word scares people. Mike: Yes. Right, they didn't want to say "I have an agenda." They don't want ... "I don't have an agenda." That's the number one defense you'll hear. "I don't have an agenda." We all have agendas. Sean: What I think they mean is "I don't have a negative agenda." And so that- PART 1 OF 3 ENDS [00:11:04] Sean: ... mean is, I don't have a negative agenda. So that's why you need to be very clear about the difference between empowering and limiting, draining and recharging agendas. I think it's very healing, it's very healing to be clear on your agenda. I could take it into the realm of romance, for a second. Sean: On my first date with my wife, I said, "I would like to sleep with you someday." She was like, "What?" Like, what kind of guy says ... I didn't say it in a slick, gross, pushy way. I just said, someday I'd like to sleep with you. She said she trusted me in that minute. That was the moment she was like, "Oh, my God. This guy just made it very clear what his agenda was." Sean: It didn't meant that I wouldn't be her friend if we weren't gonna do ... There was no manipulation. She's like, "But that was the moment I knew that I could trust you because you told me an actual, authentic agenda. I'd never heard a man confidentially say that." I say that same thing when I get into a sales call. Sean: I say to somebody, "Listen, the opportunity I'm going to offer you is going to be 10 times what you're going to pay me, so I do not feel bad whatsoever in the exchange of receiving the energy that you worked hard to gather because I'm gonna 10X what you're paying for. So I want you to know, I'm going to get really excited by taking your money, because I'm exchanging something way greater for you." Sean: They're like, "Heck yeah. Let's do this." Now, not everybody says, yes I'll pay. But everybody says, let's have a dialogue. Mike: Right. Sean: I just want people to be excited to have the dialogue. Whether it's about romance, whether it's about income, whether it's about progress, movement, making an impact. Let's not be afraid to ask for what we want. If they say no, they say no. It's okay. Mike: How do think that plays ... What would be an example you could think of where that plays in family dynamics and putting the agenda out there? Sean: Making it very clear, the standards that you set for your children, as a parenting role. Like, I have a very clear vision of you graduating with a great GPA. I have a vision of you working really hard on your mind, your body, and your spirit. I'm not asking anything from you that I am not doing myself. Sean: You're going to see dad will be in the gym. You're going to see that dad works hard at Office. You see that dad works on his relationships with your mother. So, I'm not asking anything from you that I'm not willing to go first on, son / daughter / whomever. So being very clear on a vision that you hold. I think that is okay. Having a family, like, mission statement is setting an agenda. I think it's really good to also pull the agenda out of the kid. Sean: Like, so what do you want out of this life? What are some of your goals, sweetie? Or even in a marriage. Like, how can I best support you? So Mindy and I, you were at our wedding. You know that I married my wife because I couldn't afford her coaching rates and I wan…

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    #5 - Heath Phillips discusses Surviving Military Sexual Trauma & Respect Jul 02, 2018
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    Listen as Heath Phillips shares with Mike Domitrz about being a survivor of Military Sexual Trauma (sexual assault). Heath takes you on a 20 year journey that is difficult and inspiring. Heath holds nothing back. We also talk about respect and the current military culture and systems. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** Heath's BIO: Heath Phillips joined the Navy when he was 17 years old. He grew up in a military style family; his father was in the Army and had Uncles that served in Vietnam. Heath's stepfather was also in the Army. Being in the Military was all he ever wanted; he wanted to serve his country. At the time in 1988 the only branch that would him at his age with a GED was the Navy. On May 3 1988, exactly one week after his 17th birthday Heath was in boot camp and stationed in Orlando, Florida. From the start it was everything he was told about from his family. He was treated excellent; he even goes on to say "I was kinda babied by the platoon C144" most likely because of his age. Heath was treated like family; everyone was willing to look out for the "kid" (his nickname). Upon graduation Heath was then stationed in Meridian, Miss. He went to school to become a Ships Serviceman. Once again, he was treated like a family member. Upon leaving Meridian, Miss. Heath went home to visit his Mom, Dad and stepfamily where everyone was so proud. Heath reported to the USS Butte AE 27 on Labor Day weekend per his orders. Upon arriving to the ship he was greeted to a dirty looking ship which was nothing like he imagined. A group of shipmates where leaving the ship and invited Heath to come hang out with them for the weekend. Heath went with them to a hotel in New York City. Heath had two drinks and really wasn't much of a drinker and fell asleep. He woke up with his cloths clothes pulled down and guys doing "stuff" to him such as guys masturbating on my face; instantly he was terrified. Crying, he locked himself in the bathroom. His shipmates told him they were only kidding around, it was an initiation and they all went through it. Heath's report of the assault only brought more assaults. After returning to the Butte, he told a senior leader what had happened, and was told he was lying. The assaults just escalated from there; it turned into game to the perpetrators. Heath was terrorized by constant harassment to include pulling him out of bed and rubbing their genitals in his face; but he was always called a liar. Heath Phillips is a Military Sexual Assault survivor and a Public speaker on the topic of (MST - Military Sexual Trauma) and also speaks on Bystander Intervention. Heath is originally from Protect Our Defenders, an organization that honors, supports and gives a voice to the brave women and men in uniform who have been raped or sexually assaulted by fellow service members. Heath Phillips has chosen to be a speaker in order to relay his story, the effects it has had on him, the obstacles he had/has to overcome, and most importantly educate our Soldiers in regards to the damage sexual assault and hazing does to anyone (to include males). Links: www.protectourdefenders.com/survivor-stories-heath/ https://www.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/437154.pdf Contact Heath at: https://www.facebook.com/heath.phillips.79 or at: heath_phillips@outlook.com WATCH THE RAW VIDEO OF THE INTERVIEW AT:https://youtu.be/R45OjmqJ4lE READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPT BELOW (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages: Mike Domitrz: Welcome to the Respect podcast. I'm your host, Mike Domitrz from mikespeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions, and the US military create a culture of respect. And respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike Domitrz: This weeks special guest is Heath Phillips. Now if you haven't heard of Heath, or you haven't met Heath before, Heath is a military sexual assault survivor and a public speaker on the topic of MST. MST is military sexual trauma. He also speaks on bi standard intervention. Now Heath is originally from Protect Our Defenders, an organization that honors, supports, and gives a voice to the brave women and men in uniform who've been raped or sexually assaulted by fellow service members. Heath has chosen to be a speaker in order to relay his story, the effects it has had on him, the obstacles he has had and has to overcome, and most importantly to educate our soldiers in regards to the damage sexual assault and hazing does to anyone, including males. So Heath, I want to thank you very much for joining us. Heath Phillips: All right, thank you. I appreciate you for allowing to be on this. Mike Domitrz: Absolutely, and your story is so powerful that I don't want to be the one trying to tell this on your behalf. I'd like to start with you being able to tell it, so how did you get to where you are today, Heath? Heath Phillips: The BS with you. When I got discharged I was already an alcoholic. I was already drinking heavily. I was 18. I spent close to 20 years just spiraling downhill, worse and worse and worse. It came to the point where it was either going to commit suicide or get better, and final straw was believe it or not, the date is still embedded in my brain. February 3rd, 2009. Driving home, I was to the point where I was so drunk I had to drive with one eye, and there's just way too many roads. And I wanted to die. And today I still thank God that somehow I blanked out from that point to getting home, and that was when reality actually set in. That I needed help. Heath Phillips: I cried for the first time in 20 years. I dumped everything that I had out in my home that was alcohol related. Any type of narcotics, drugs, anything. I even got rid of my cigarettes the same day. And from that forward I have actually been drug, alcohol, and cigarette free. And no, I've never done AA, any of them exciting things that people do. My AA is not wanting to be where I was, and that's kind of what lit a fire in me to not just better myself, but to be a better father, a better figurehead, just a better person in general. And that's kind of how I started to move forward. Mike Domitrz: How much of a time gap was there from being discharged to you having that moment in 2009? Heath Phillips: I got discharged July 26th of 1989. My first day of sobriety was February 4th of 2009. So it was just under a 20 year gap of being discharged to when I became ... my first day of sobriety. Mike Domitrz: All right, and people listening might have caught earlier that you said, "When I was just discharged at 19." They might be thinking in their mind well he couldn't have been in that long, so what- Heath Phillips: I said I was discharged at 18. Mike Domitrz: At 18. Okay. Heath Phillips: I joined at 17. Mike Domitrz: Right so, so a year or so roughly, so now that's got people thinking, "Okay, wow, a lot must have happened in that year for that to have occurred." But during those 20 years, were you addressing that or is that the masking of the alcohol and the drugs? Heath Phillips: I tried to. Due to the discharge that I had, I had an other than honorable. The VA would not help me, period. So I had a hard time keeping employment due to my alcoholism. I didn't know I had post traumatic stress disorder. I didn't know why I couldn't be near men. I couldn't handle being near it. The anxiety levels, you know, I, constant nightmares. But I didn't know what was wrong. So what I did was I just drank. That was how I coped. So there was like no help for me. Mike Domitrz: Right, you were not ... The sexual violence was not being addressed because you weren't that deep in yet to figure out what was causing the drinking and the drugs because you didn't get the support you needed to get on that journey. Heath Phillips: Right. Mike Domitrz: Yeah, and so because of how you were discharged, even though you were a survivor, because of what you were given, the form of discharge you were given, there was no support available to you. So now you're alone, and the alcohol and the drugs was coping, if I'm understanding correctly? Heath Phillips: That's how I cope. That's how I stopped. Mike Domitrz: So then, then you clear the house. I mean that's a ... So then you clear the house of all the alcohol, everything, and say, "I'm going to change." What gets you into the process of having the self awareness, the discovery of where's the pain that caused all this in the first place? Heath Phillips: Believe it or not Google. I got to give Google props. So I started Googling things because I didn't know what was wrong. I didn't know why I was having nightmares, flashbacks, and I didn't know what was causing this. So I started Googling kind of like what happened to me in the military, and started reading papers because while I was in, there was a congressional investigation done on my case. And one of the mental health people wrote that I had post traumatic stress disorder. So my command had already, was aware that I had this. So I tried finding out what everything meant, and then I started finding out that I was not the only rape victim or survivor or whatever you want to call it, from the military. Heath Phillips: And I started reaching out, and I started meeting more survivors, and that's when my curiosity started getting the better of me because they were going through what I was going through. So I was like how do we fix this? How do we help each other? Then things just kept moving forward and forward, and that's when Protect Our Defenders started to launch. And I did the video with them. In 2011, we met in Washington DC, a whole group of survivors, myself included. And outside of, I'm kind of red neckish, you know, I live in a country so I'm not used to the suits, and that attire. So I show up in Washington DC. I'm wearing jeans, flannel shirt untucked, and we go to the Capitol Hill, and we're at the press box, and everyone's in suits. I'm dressed all down, but they didn't care. Heath Phillips: They brought me on stage as the men's survivor. Kindest woman, Jackie Spear, was introducing a sexual assault bill at the time called Stop Act. Protect Our Defenders launched their name that day, and nobody cared. It was ... The way I explain it, is, it's a lot like these six guys did all these horrific things to me. That's why I had a bad, like an anger towards the military for allowing it to happen. Allowing to kick me out, but when I met these other survivors, there was like no animosity towards them because they were in the military. It was vulnerable. Like a kinmanship, and I mean still today, we all talk. We do our own things, but we still all talk. And it was like having that family that I never had because I lost a lot in that 20 year bad part of my life. But it was just like a unity that nobody could understand. It was a unity that I should have had when I was in the military with my fellow shipmates. Mike Domitrz: Yeah, and you talk about that. You talk about that before the hazing. Because that, for those listening, the form of sexual assault that you experienced was very much what some would call a hazing form of sexual assault. It was done by a group, as a form of initiation to you. Prior to that though because that was when you started actually serving on your first ship. Prior to that you were loving the military, from what you've shared. You felt that brotherhood that you're talking about right now. Heath Phillips: Yeah, yeah. I'm an Army brat so I kind of grew up in the military culture, and it's something my dad never spoke about because my dad, mister tough guy, you know, but there's nothing I knew would happen. Boot camp was just, I mean it was a family. It was exactly what my family talked about. My commander was my dad, kinda like, and these guys were my shipmates were like my brothers. And we had each other's back. It was a ... probably one of the tightest units I've ever seen, and it was boot camp. And it was kind of incredible because at 17, that was my first initiation into the military, was boot camp. And seeing how tight knit, everybody had my back, I had their back, and then going to a ship and your first day within hours you're being sexually assaulted. It was like what just happened? It was like reading Cinderella and happened into at a Freddy Kruger movie. So it was just mind blowing. Mike Domitrz: Yeah, and what's amazing is you did report. Heath Phillips: That's that. Mike Domitrz: Yeah, and multiple times. What was the response you were getting? Heath Phillips: My very first time I reported. I'll never forget the look on Master Arm's face. It was like dumbfounded, and then it was disgusted, and then he immediately called me a liar. And then he wanted to know how old I was. I was like, "I'm 17." He says, "Oh," he goes, "You must be a mama's boy. So you're homesick. That's why you're saying these things." I'm like, I was baffled, I was like, "No." For all I was homesick, you know, I wasn't homesick. And I was like, "No, I'm not lying. This happened." And it was just- PART 1 OF 3 ENDS [00:11:04] Heath Phillips: ... it's like, "No, I'm not lying, this happened." And it was just like non-stop "You're a liar, you're a liar, you're a liar." 49 days before I first snapped, 49 days of reporting this ... it was always the same result "You're a liar, you're a liar, where's your proof? Doesn't happen." Mike Domitrz: Do you think, Heath, that they didn't want to believe it was happening, but knew it was happening? And by calling you a liar was their way of covering up? Or do you think they honestly didn't believe this was possible? Heath Phillips: They knew. Back then I didn't know they knew, but they knew. Heath Phillips: I mean, on the 49th day, when I tried hanging myself, Chief [inaudible 00:11:45] officer brings me down, and he smacked me in my face, told me I needed to man up and fight for myself, basically. It kind of clicked, like "He knows. He doesn't even look at my birthing area, and he knows." Heath Phillips: Two of my attackers, they had 17 other victims. So it's not like it wasn't a known thing, it's just nobody cared. They would rather avoid the situation and hide from it, than have to admit that this really happens. And to me that's very sickening. Mike Domitrz: Absolutely. And this isn't just a military thing, we've seen this happen throughout many different levels of our culture, where people cover up instead of wanting to deal with the reality of what's going on in their organization, their community, their institution. We see this happen in many different levels. Mike Domitrz: Since that time, since 11, you've started speaking out, and what a lot of people don't realize, you and I know, because we speak on military installations. There's an image out there that the military's still operating the way it's always operated, the way it was operating 20 years ago, 10 years, and no one cares about this topic, and everybody's trying to cover it up. The reality is, yeah when you have hundreds of thousands of people in an organization, there is still sexual…

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    #4 - Laura Dunn on Justice, #MeToo, and Advocacy Jun 26, 2018
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    Join Laura Dunn and Mike Domitrz as they discuss justice, the #MeToo Movement, and advocating for survivors. Both Dunn and Domitrz have extensive experience working with educational systems for working to reduce sexual violence for students. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** Laura Dunn BIO: Laura L. Dunn, Esq., advances victims' rights through legislative and policy efforts, as well as direct representation of survivors in campus, criminal and civil systems. As a nationally-recognized victim-turned-victims' rights attorney and social entrepreneur, her work has been featured by National Public Radio, PEOPLE Magazine, Forbes, the National Law Journal, the New York Times, and many more. While a law student, Dunn contributed to the 2011 and 2014 Title IX guidance issued by the U.S. Department of Education. She also worked with Congress to pass the 2013 Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act and its federal regulations. For this advocacy, Vice President Joe Biden and Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy have publicly recognized Dunn. Upon graduation from Maryland Law, she founded the survivor-led and DC-based legal organization, SurvJustice. It is still the only national nonprofit representing victims of campus sexual violence in hearings across the country and is currently the lead plaintiff in a pending federal lawsuit against the Drumpf administration over Title IX. As an attorney, Dunn is now a published legal scholar, an adjunct law professor, a member of the American Bar Association's Commission on Domestic & Sexual Violence and its Criminal Justice Section's Task Force on College Due Process, a liaison to the American Law Institute's Model Penal Code on Sexual Assault and its Student Sexual Misconduct Project, an accomplished litigator who helped win the first-ever recognition of a federal victim-advocate privilege, and an expert legal consultant on various campus sexual assault lawsuits. She is currently a practicing attorney through the Fierberg National Law Group. For her work, Dunn has received a 2015 Echoing Green Global Fellowship, the 2016 Benjamin Cardin Public Service Award, the 2017 Special Courage Award from the U.S. Department of Justice's Office for Victims of Crime, and a 2018 TED Fellowship, along with other honors and recognitions over the years. 8.9Laura Lynette Dunn WEBSITES: http://www.lauraldunnesq.com/ www.survjustice.org Book Recommendation: "I Have the Right To: A High School Survivor's Story of Sexual Assault, Justice, and Hope" by Chessy Prout READ THE TRANSCRIPT BELOW (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages: Mike: Welcome to the Respect Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Domitrz, from mikespeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions, and the U.S. military create a culture of respect. Respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike: This week's guest is Laura Dunn, and her track record is amazing. I want to give you a little bit of background on Laura. She advances victims rights through legislative and policy efforts, as well as direct representation of survivors in campus, criminal, and civil systems. Mike: As a nationally recognized victim turned victim rights attorney and social entrepreneur, her work's been featured on NPR, National Public Radio, People Magazine, Forbes, The National Blog Journal, The New York Times, and many more. Mike: Some of this I'm going to save for our discussion because she's done so much, and the bio here, it's incredible, but as a highlight, for example, she's obviously an attorney now, representing cases with SURVJUSTICE, S-U-R-V-J-U-S-T-I-C-E. They are the only national non-profit representing victims of campus sexual violence in hearings across country, and currently the lead plaintiff in a pending federal lawsuit against the current administration over Title IX. Mike: Her work has received awards and recognitions, including the 2015 Echoing Green Global Fellowship, the 2016 Benjamin Cardin Public Service Award, the 2017 Special Courage Award for the U.S. Department of Justice's Office for Victims of Crime, and the 2018 TED Fellowship, so thank you so much for joining us, Laura. Laura: Thanks for having me on. Mike: Absolutely, and to get right into it here, you know, the show's all about respect. How did you come to the place where you are today, doing the work you're doing? Laura: That's a great question. Unfortunately, like too many people, I had a negative experience in college. I had two men that I knew and trusted from being on the same sports team with me, and they made a decision to sexually harm me when I had been drinking and was unable to either consent or defend myself, so because of this unfortunate experience with sexual violence, I became an advocate first in trying to fight for myself, but I realized that I was fighting for many more. It is now my career. Laura: I did found SURVJUSTICE. I'm no longer there, I've moved on and transitioned. I'm at the Fierberg National Law Group, where I continue to do litigation, not just for sexual assault survivors, but all survivors of campus crime, including gun violence and hazing. Mike: Oh, okay, and so there, when you say representing survivors, for those who aren't aware, so survivor on campus comes forward, they file a complaint, at what point is there a need for someone to reach out to an attorney such as yourself to be represented? Laura: It's a wonderful question. I think there's a very big norm in our society that if you're accused of something, you right away get an attorney, get advice, and you're very cautious and careful. There is this belief that if you're a victim, that you can just access the process, and it'll work perfectly, and you'll be fine. Unfortunately, so many survivors find out that systems that are meant to protect them don't always do that, so campuses aren't always acting in the best interest of students who are victimized. Law enforcement, campus security, other organizations sometimes try to push away survivors and their voices, so it's fully fine to make that initial report and to go and right away try to get organizations and institutions to support you if that's their role, but if you're skeptical that that will occur, if you're already getting signs that there isn't support, I would actually contact an attorney or an advocate immediately because the moment you start making a complaint, things can either go really well, or unfortunately, sometimes in the cases I see, they go really poorly from square one. Mike: Yeah, and when we're traveling the world talking about this, we always tell [inaudible 00:03:53], in reaching out to a local advocate, a local crisis center, who has been down this road with other survivors, who knows the possibilities of support that are available to you, and when somebody's showing red flags in that system, the troubles there, is helpful to at least help you understand that, no, that's not okay, what they just said to you, or what they just asked you, and you do deserve to be represented and supported. I think it's wonderful. I think a lot of times people think, 'Oh, a student goes forward, the system failed them, nothing they can do.' For them to hear from you, no, there's people like you out there, who are saying, "We can represent you, we can fight for you because you deserve that." Laura: Absolutely, and we see so many cases where if we had gotten involved a little earlier ... I would say this all the time at SURVJUSTICE, if someone had just called us first, it would be a different game. If you're in a situation where you're not getting academic support, there's no safety measured, they're encouraging you to take a medical leave, get off campus, you definitely need to be making a call. Laura: Advocates can be very helpful, but sometimes real action is needed. Attorneys and advocated alike can offer confidentiality and privilege, which is very important to protect your privacy, and getting information about your rights, and then starting to advance them. Mike: Yeah, and you and I know that due to the media coverage of Title IX, a lot of people go, "Well, why is this necessary? I mean, Title IX is tilted to survivors, and if they come forward, everybody's going to believe them, and the system's going to protect them. I mean, this whole Title IX thing, that's all it does. In fact, it's slanted against people who are accused." These are the comments we hear in the media all the time. Mike: Can you explain the reality of actually how this works on many campuses? There are campuses where it's wonderful, and it's supportive, but this is not always the case. Laura: Yeah, I definitely think it's important to recognize that in the last decade there's been a shift, right. Back in 2010, the Center for Public Integrity, National Public Radio, really exposed campus sexual assault for the first time through an investigative series, and showed the opposite of all the comments you were just saying, that actually victims weren't being supported, weren't being believed, and even if the rare case, where someone was like, "Yes, you were in fact harmed. We're going to give the consequence to the person who harmed you," it was meaningless. It was writing essays about how not to rape someone, and that was the only consequence. It was watching videos, again, from student orientation, for a second time, or having a summer suspension. Laura: Really, the media dialogue, at first, was exposing how survivors are mistreated. There's obviously been a backlash, people who represent those who are accused saying, "This is unfair," and in my opinion, I'm obviously a victim's rights attorney, so you can obviously say that I'm biased towards my side, I think people just aren't used to what accountability looks like. Accountability does mean someone is found responsible through an appropriate process for sexual violence, and they're not being favored and catered to, and allowed to continue threatening, or otherwise harassing someone in the interim. Laura: You know, there's a lot of accusations on both sides, and really, it's important to remember what Title IX is. It is a federal civil right that protects any person, not just men, not just women, any person from discrimination on the basis of sex, and that includes in the form of sexual harassment and sexual violence. This is on the campus level, and at the civil level, you can also go to court and force it. Laura: That's very different than the criminal level, which has a whole different process enshrined in the constitution. The campus and civil level are lower level means of legal advocacy, and of course, can give meaningful results to survivors, such as academic accommodations and support, but at the end of the day, are trying to make sure someone who is harmed by sexual violence can continue to access their education on campus free from any hostility created by someone who's accused of perpetrating against them until there has been an ultimate finding whether or not that did occur. Laura: I hope that answered your question. Mike: Absolutely. Mike: Often people are saying, "Hey, why isn't this" ... There's been a few states that have tried to, and one that did put it through, that have tried to say, "This should all be criminal, this should not be dealt with by schools. This should only be dealt with by the court systems and the judicial system." Many of us who know this work knows that that could highly deter survivors from coming forward in the first place. Can you explain what the problem is with that, with this idea that the moment a campus knows about a case, it should all be handed over to the police, to the judicial system of the authorities outside of the campus environment? Laura: Yeah. What I always do, even in going into legal settings such as the American Bar Association Taskforce I've been on, or the American Law Institute, when we were debating different polices and procedures to put forward on a national level, even with attorneys, they say, "Okay, we need to back up. Let's not even think about sexual assault, let's just think of a physical assault." Laura: You're a student, you're physically assaulted by another student. Let's say you're drunk at a bar, so you get punched. You, of course, can go to the police, but that's not your only option. You can also sue the person in civil court that just punched you. You can also just go to the campus level and say, "I want them removed because they're an unsafe student, and they're going to impede my access to education," or you could do all three. That's true of many scenarios. Laura: Any type of crime, not just sexual crimes, allow you to go campus, criminal, or civil. You can pick, you can choose, you can do one after another, you can do them all at the same time. We have more than one legal remedy for harm in our society, and that's on purpose because there are many different ways that people can advance their rights and interests. They don't only have to rely on police, and of course, we know that the criminal standard is beyond a reasonable doubt, which is very different than the civil and campus standard of preponderance of the evidence. It is a different burden, it is a different ballgame, and that's because criminal is removing someone from society, imprisoning them often, fines in some places depending on the type of violence, potentially even death, so very serious consequences call for very serious due process and highly protective measures. Laura: On the campus, you don't have a right to be in college. You don't. It's privilege. A college can choose you, or not choose you. You have no rights to get in. Once you are in, your rights are limited to stay there, especially if you have, in fact, violated any of their policies and procedures on students. Laura: So, we're at a very different level with the lower standard of proof, and again, it's very important hat survivors have different options; campus, criminal, and civil, because they might need different things. One survivor may need all those damages from a civil case to get medical treatment in the future. Another one may want to keep the campus safe, and have that person removed for a criminal process from society. Another person may say, "You know what, I just need to continue my access to education," so they need to go elsewhere. Laura: Lots of different options, lots of different remedies. There is no one size fits all, and there is not just one option for survivors. Mike: I'm so glad you brought up the different standards because this is so important. I think a lot of people forget that the campus has the right of who they want to have on their campus, and so often people go, "You can't convict them." It's not whether they can convict them, it's whether they have the right to say, "I don't want that student as part of our community. We have that right, and whether we're a public or private institution, we actually have that right because we accepted them in. They had to apply to get in, they were not forced to us.…

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    #3 - Lisa Ryan on RESPECT in the Workplace Jun 26, 2018
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    Join Lisa Ryan with Mike Domitrz discussing RESPECT in the Workplace. Find out specific approaches that are vitally important to integrating respect in the workplace. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** Lisa Ryan BIO: Lisa Ryan helps organizations develop employee engagement strategies that keep their top talent and best customers from becoming someone else's. Lisa is a gratitude expert, award-winning speaker and best-selling author of ten books, including "To Have and To Hold: 101 Smart Strategies to Engage Employees." She is Past President of the National Speakers Association, Ohio Chapter, and received her MBA from Cleveland State University. Books Lisa Recommends: "Think & Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill "How To Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie Social Media Links: Website http://www.LisaRyanSpeaks.com Twitter https://www.twitter.com/grategy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/#!/LisaRyan14 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/asklisaryan/ Pinterest https://www.pinterest.com/grategy Youtube http://youtube.com//user/mygrategy Blog http://grategy.com/category/lisa-blog/ FB Page https://www.facebook.com/LisaRyanSpeaker/?fref=ts Elite Experts http://eliteexpertsnetwork.com/lisa-ryan/ **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages:READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPT BELOW (or download the pdf): Mike: Welcome to The RESPECT Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Domitrz from mikespeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions, and the US military create a culture of respect, and respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike: This week's guest is Lisa Ryan. Lisa helps organizations develop employee engagements strategies that keep their top talent and best customers from becoming someone else's. She is a gratitude expert, award-winning speaker, and bestselling author of 10 books, including To Have and To Hold: 101 Smart Strategies to Engage Employees. She's also past president of the National Speakers Association Ohio Chapter, and received her MBA from Cleveland State University. Lisa, thanks for joining us on The RESPECT Podcast. Lisa: Well, thanks so much for having me. Mike: Absolutely. Let's get right into it. How does respect play in the workplace? Lisa: To have really good connections between people, they have to feel that you respect them. You don't necessarily have to like everyone, but to acknowledge them for the skills, the knowledge, the expertise that they bring to the workplace, that is critical in making those connections happen. Mike: And how do you get people to do that, to actually treat each other with respect in a workplace where they feel, "Hey, I'm here for my goals, they're here for their goals"? Lisa: Well, my company, which is called Grategy, stands for "gratitude strategy," so in my world, everything comes down to gratitude. It comes to looking for the good, and when you start with a gratitude practice that we could spend hours talking about, but you start to look for the good in people. So, say you have a person that, for whatever reason, you just get along with. It's like, what if I challenged you to find one good thing about that person, and it's like, "Lisa, there ain't nothing good about that person." All right, if you had to pick something about that person, what would it be? "Um, I don't know, she wore cute shoes yesterday." You start there, because when you start to acknowledge people, when you're able to look for the good, it starts to change the energy around that relationship, and over time, it does change the relationship. Mike: How does that ... So that's in the workplace. What about in our personal life? What about the neighbor next door? Lisa: The neighbor next door, it's the exact same thing. It all comes down to connection. Mother Teresa once said, "We're more starved for appreciation than we are for bread." So whether that works, and actually, with our neighbor, with our spouse, with our significant others, with our children, when we can go and find the good in those people, and let them know that, "Hey, I appreciate you," "Hey, I respect you," "Hey, I love you," and say the words that often we take for granted, working on that in our personal life then actually helps us to bring that better, less-stressed person into the workplace. So it really is part of a whole picture. Mike: Let's say a parent's at home, and they're having a rough day with their kids. The kids aren't listening. Let's say they only have one, and it's giving them an attitude. How do they even take a breath to ... Like, do you have an exercise to give them to take a breath and start with the breath? Because in that moment, they're in total frustration. Lisa: The breath definitely helps that person, and this is not a "press the easy button and everything's changed," because the thing is that when you're tired, when you're frustrated, that's probably the wrong time to start a new practice, so we're starting before that, of changing the conversation. Let's say little Johnny comes home from school. Instead of saying, "Well, Johnny, how was your day today?" and Johnny, of course, because we're wired for negativity, "Well, Billy was mean to me, [inaudible 00:03:58]," instead, "Johnny, tell me something good that happened today." Now, the first time you ask Johnny for something good, Johnny's going to look at you like you are insane, like, "What happened to you? Who are you?" But we just start to change the conversation. Lisa: Many people, and there's lots of research on gratitude, but it also works with children, that children that have some kind of gratitude practice, that are trained to look for the good, fare better than kids that don't. And in this immediate gratification society that we live in, when Mom and Dad take the time with the kids to say, "Okay, let's ..." We're sitting down to dinner, or we're getting ready for school in the morning. "Let's look at something good. Let's look for those things that we can be grateful for." And over time, it becomes that habit. Lisa: I had one of my clients that they started doing with their kids before going to bed, they would just do their gratitudes right before bed, and on the days the parents forget for whatever reason — you know, their plates are full — the kids are like, "How come we're not doing our gratitudes?" So, even at the beginning where they may be resentful, they may be, you know, "Oh, this is stupid, why are we doing this?" Over time, it becomes a practice, it becomes a habit, and it starts to change those relationships. Mike: How do you get someone in the workplace to even begin to attempt at home? How do you inspire them or give them a bit of a catalyst to do that, versus going, "I'm not messing with this"? Lisa: Well, one of my favorite ways is the 30-Day Gratitude Challenge, and this is every day for 30 days, look for five ways that you can be grateful. And there's actually five different ways ... You know, the gratitude journal, of course, is one, writing down five things that you're grateful for. There's the verbally thanking people, specifically looking for people and catch them in the act of doing something right, and being specific instead of just saying, "Hey, thanks." You know, "Thank you so much for putting in that extra effort on that report that I needed. Really appreciate your efforts, it helped a lot." Lisa: So first, writing them down, verbally, then we have the thank-you note and the letter of appreciation. In the world according to Lisa Ryan, the thank-you note is, you know, "Thank you for something." Thank you for dinner, thank you for the gift, thank you for something. The letter of appreciation is "Thank you for being you." Thank you because that you're in my life; this is the difference that you make. And then the fifth way is to reflect on or meditate on gratitude each day. Lisa: So, getting into the habit. I used to do — and actually, I've been asked to bring it back again — an official 30-Day Gratitude Challenge, where people would use the five thank-yous a day challenge, and then the funniest part was, after the 30 days were over, I was getting these emails of people saying, "I'm so sorry that the 30-Day Challenge is over, because I really liked keeping my gratitudes." I'm sitting there thinking, you know, that was part of my evil plan, that you get into the habit of doing it, and then you see the difference, and not only do you see the difference, but the people that associate with you also notice the difference. I had one guy who I interviewed after the gratitude challenge, and his wife came up to him and said, "What's going on with you? You're not nearly as grouchy as you used to be." So, whether or not you feel the difference, other people will also notice. Mike: Well, and it's important, and we notice what we're being grateful for. What I mean by that is the compliment, you know, telling somebody, "I'm grateful for this." In the workplace, when we're doing our program at corporations and associations, if you ask somebody to come up and say, "Say something nice to this person," they 99% of the time will go to appearance. Lisa: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Mike: And that's not going to the deep heart of gratitude, that's going for the easiest route out, and it doesn't connect with people. It's not that it doesn't connect at all, but it's in a different thing versus saying, "I see you talk about your kids; you clearly are a devoted parent." That is so much more meaningful than "Wow, nice top," you know, or "Nice jacket," or "Nice shoes," or ... And so you can start to say, "How can I see deeper to connect with this person on something that's meaningful?" You brought up a good example there on the project, to be grateful for the insights you brought to that project. To be that specific is a way more powerful form of gratitude and respect than "Hey, thanks for your help." Lisa: Exactly, yeah. Mike: So, to be the more specific and say, "That insight you shared right there, that was so brilliant, that helped me go down this path," and be that intentional with the gratitude, can really allow it to connect human beings. Lisa: Right, exactly, because really, what gets recognized gets repeated, so when you're telling that person, "Thank you, your insight, the relationship that you have with your family, the fact that you share," whatever it is, that we're looking at actions. Because I speak to a lot of manufacturing associations where there is mostly men in the audience, and when I use accepting a compliment, I do a whole thing on the ability to accept a compliment, but the thing is, because we focus on appearance, in the workplace, that can get a little hairy with all of this. So it's focusing on the actions that that person did, whether or not you like their dress or you like their ... Whatever they're wearing, when we're focusing on the physical attributes of a person, sometimes that can get us in trouble. Mike: Absolutely, and that's why we're brought in, is because people don't realize, they are naïve or ignorant, sometimes they just don't care — hopefully that's not the case — that those physical comments can be harming- Lisa: Right, exactly. Mike: ... especially with tone of voice, where you're looking when you're saying it. There's a million things that can cause harm there, whereas telling you what a great job you did on a project, there's very little chance of me causing harm without ... As long as I don't double-edged sword it, right? Like, "Unlike the last time ..." That, then, is not gratitude, that's like ... Well, it's gratitude with a slap at the same time. And so that's important, to let it be free of any "buts" or "and ifs." Lisa: Right, right. Well, and the thing, the other thing that you're doing when you're being specific and recognizing that colleague, and recognizing that employee, is they know that you're paying attention to them. You're not just going because, "Oh, I went to this program and Lisa Ryan said I needed to thank five people. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Check, done." Where instead, I'm specifically focusing, and now my employees know that I'm not only getting on them when something goes bad, but I'm also paying attention to what's going well. Lisa: I was at one of my programs, and a guy came up to me afterwards. He said, "You know, Lisa, when I do something wrong, I get recognized 100% of the time, and when I do something well, it's rare that I get acknowledge." And studies, I mean, there's lots of studies that are out there that show that a lot of times, it's about 42% of employees have been recognized for the good work that they've done by their manager in the past year. Year! That's insanity. We change the workplace when we start to look for people and catch our employees doing things well. That's when we can change the culture. Mike: Well, yeah, and we all know the research shows people don't leave jobs, they leave bosses. They leave poor leadership. And so the question becomes, if you're listening to this, "How can I be a positive leader? Even if there ... Maybe I'm on the ... You know, I'm the lowest rank in the situation, how can I still bring positive leadership to that environment? How can I show respect for those I work with?" And this becomes an important part. Now, someone will sit there and go, "Well, when it comes to companies and respect, it's all about the bottom dollar, it's all about profit." So, how do you help that person realize respect has a lot to do with profit, with the bottom line? Lisa: You know, when you ... Because I run into those same managers, you know, "Why should I thank my people for doing a job? Isn't that what a paycheck's for?" It's like, you know what? If you want your people to do exactly what you pay them for, if a paycheck is all it's about, they will do exactly enough work so that they don't get fired, because you're probably paying them exactly enough so that they don't quit. If you want that employee to give you their best efforts, to have that best friend at work that Gallup says is one of the points of an engaged employee, that brings their best, that gives you their blood, their sweat, their tears, then we look for ways to acknowledge our employees. Lisa: Then we look for ways, and it doesn't matter if you are at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to the corporate ladder; every single person in an organization can make a difference, and it's just in that language. It's "I appreciate you," it's "Thank you," it's "I respect you, I respect what you bring to this workplace." I'm catching you doing things right, and I'm looking for…

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    #2 - Chris Clarke-Epstein on Respecting Change Jun 26, 2018
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    Join Mike Domitrz and Chris Clarke-Epstein Discussing Change and the Role Respect Plays, especially in today's turbulent times. From personal life to the workplace to the political landscape, they dive into each area in this episode. * You are invited to join our community and conversations about each episode on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/MutuallyAmazingPodcast and join us on Twitter @CenterRespect or visit our website at http://www.MutuallyAmazingPodcast.com** Chris Clarke-Epstein BIO: Chris Clarke-Epstein, CSP is a change expert who has spent over 30 years challenging diverse groups including senior leadership teams, middle management supervisors, and health care professionals to apply new knowledge. Her presentations blend an innovative delivery of sound learning theory, activities that lead to practical solutions, and infectious enthusiasm that send participants home ready to apply what they've learned. Author of and contributor to more than 15 books, Chris teaches and writes in critical areas such as understanding the dynamics of change, delivering effective feedback, dealing with conflict, and building high performance teams. Her skills have taken her around the world working for clients such as MGMA National and Chapters, Deloitte, AHA, Sherman Hospital, NML, Marshfield Clinic, and Aurora Healthcare System. Chris served as adjunct faculty at the Center for Telecommunication/USC, is a Certified Speaking Professional, a Certified Health Consultant from the BCBS Association, and is past president of the National Speakers Association. Chris understands how adults learn together. Her expertise and style have been honored by her peers in both the ASTD and NSA. Her sessions are always highly rated because participants appreciate her combination of high content, purposeful activities, interaction, and fun. She knows that when speakers and groups establish rapport quickly, approach information creatively and work together enthusiastically – amazing results happen! Please list all links you'd like us to share for contacting you (including social media):: Skype: ThinkingChange Twitter: ChrisChange Websites: Change101.com BeyondthePlatform.com Email chris@change101.com for regular email and type "thinking" in the Subject Line Books Chris Recommends: "Beyond the Wall of Resistance" by Rick Mauer Monkeewrench by P.J. Tracy and then the entire series. READ THE TRANSCRIPT BELOW (or download the pdf): **IMPORTANT: This podcast episode was transcribed by a 3rd party service and so errors can occur throughout the following pages: Mike: Welcome to the Respect Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Domitrz, from Mikespeaks.com, where we help organizations of all sizes, educational institutions, and the U.S. Military to create a culture of respect. And respect is exactly what we discuss on this show, so let's get started. Mike: Our guest is Chris Clarke-Epstein. This is so cool. I always love when I get to have a friend on the show who has been brilliant and an inspiration to me in this line of work. Chris is a change expert. She's a CSP. Mike: Now, if you're not aware what a CSP is, it's an earned designation in the speaking industry that we are pushing for more and more to get so you know you have a great speaker. If you get a CSP, it's a certified speaking designation. And it's earned and Chris absolutely has earned that. She's spent over 30 years challenging diverse groups including senior leadership teams, middle management, supervisors, and healthcare professionals to apply new knowledge. Her presentations blend an innovative delivery of sound learning theory, activities that lead to practical solutions, and infectious enthusiasm that sends participants home ready to apply what they've learned. In short, Chris is the change expert. She's the person you want to turn to when it comes to change. Not only that, she's won every award imaginable in the speaking industry. Chris: So here's the deal. You know when you rabble like that? Mike: Yeah. Chris: All the women in the audience are sitting there going, yeah, and I bet you she grows her own tomatoes and makes homemade spaghetti sauce too. You know, eh, eh, eh. And I do not grow tomatoes. I don't make spaghetti sauce. Otherwise, I've got a pile of dirty laundry waiting for me as soon as we're through with our conversation. So reality grounding is important to me Mike. Mike: It is important. And trust me, we would've got there. Chris: I know. I know. But, you know, I am a speaker ... Mike: That's right. Chris: ... so it's hard to be restrained. Mike: Yes. And it's really neat because you've won the [inaudible 00:02:00], which in the speaking industry is the ultimate. It's like their lifetime achievement award. The cool thing is, like the Oscar Lifetime Achievement Award, you get to see that you've gotten this while you're here instead of, sometimes, it's done afterwards. And then last, recently we were just together at an event totally recognizing you for our State's contributions that are incredible. You've had such an impact. What do you think is the key to having a life of impact built on a respect of something you believe in? Right? For you it was change. Chris: Uh-mm-hmm (affirmative). As I expected, our conversation would be running around important questions, and this is a very important one. I think it is a combination at a point in your life and it doesn't matter when the point is. Some people have it when they're very young. Others, it comes to them later but the real important thing is that you have it and it is the inner section of where your passion, your talents, and your values meet. And when you get to that place in your life, if it has to do with employment, that's when you find yourself saying, I would pay them to let me do this. It no longer feels like work, it just feels like an extension of your being. Chris: And, when that magic happens, when you recognize that in yourself ... And I don't think it's because your lucky, I think it's because you've been on a quest for having those three things being very clear in your mind. What are your talents? What is your passion? What are your values? You have to do work on yourself to understand those things. And then, when that all comes together, then the opportunities that you can avail yourself of become pretty remarkable. Mike: Let's think about two of those. The one is your passion and your values. Your passion has clearly changed. Chris: Yes. Mike: That's what you do. You live, you breathe it. In your values, how does respect play a role in this journey for you? Chris: Well, you know, that's again, another great ... I'm going to have to stop saying that so it's not redundant. My mother said to me once years ago when we were talking about the focus that my business was taking on change ... And by the way, it took me a number of years to settle on change being the bulk of my work. And, again, the process revealed itself that this was the place that I felt the most passionate. But my mother said to me, she said, "Do you really think that people can change?" And it sort of stopped me in my tracks. And I said to her, I said, "Quite frankly, if I didn't believe that, then I couldn't do this work." Chris: And, that's the respect, the respect for every human being summed up in a proverb ... a Turkish proverb that is my daughter's favorite proverb. "No matter how far you are down the wrong path, you can always stop and turn around." So every human being in my belief system has the capacity to change. So, knowing that, respecting that, it means that you have to approach everybody with that potentiality, seeing that potentiality in them. Mike: I've had people who say, "Well, Mike. What are the odds you're going to change someone's life in a one-hour speech?" And when I'm in front of, for instance, military leadership or organizational leadership, I'll say, "How many of you in the room can remember a time in your life where somebody said something to you that took five seconds, ten seconds? And they just were like, whoa, and literally altered a part of who you were and how you moved forward after that?" Almost everyone who's had some level of success or somehow progressed or grown in life is like, "Oh, I absolutely had that moment." Whether it was my parents or a teacher, or they said that one thing that I've never forgotten and it changed who I was. And then I stopped them and go, "And you think you can't do that in an hour? They did it in five or ten seconds." Chris: Right. I'm a long time Weight Watcher's person, and I lost 60 pounds a number of years ago, and I've kept it off for over ten. And I often say, losing the weight was easy. Keeping it off was the hard part. So to your point about, can you do it in a flash, the motivation, the desire to change happens in an instant. It is the sustaining of new behavior that is the hard work that takes a long time. And why it appears is that people can change, is most people make a New Year's resolution ... you know, I'm going to exercise and by January 5th they have stopped. You know, they bought the gym membership, but they've actually stopped. Oh, that was not cute. They stopped being a part of actually getting up off the couch and going to the gym. Chris: So the question that people really are asking you, can you do it in an hour? The answer is, the seed gets planted in the hour. The harvesting, whatever it is, or admiring the flowers that you planted is going to happen at some time in the future and, in that interim between planting and admiring, you have got to weed the garden, you've got to put fertilizer in the garden, you've got to water the garden, you've got to convince the deer that they don't want to eat what you've planted in the garden. I mean, there's lots and lots of hard work that goes on in that interim. And, in our business, this is the thing that is often frustrating with the organizations that we work with is, they're willing to invest in the seed planting part, but they don't think through how are we going to cultivate this garden to get to what we really want to be able to harvest. Mike: Yeah. Seeing the whole picture is so ... Chris: Right. Mike: ... so important. And do you think on an individual level and maybe on the organizational level too, there's a lack of people respecting their commitment, their value and why I made that commitment in the first place? Why is that important to me? Chris: Well, I go in two directions with that one. First of all, the ultimate motivation to say I'm going to change something, especially if it's, you know, a significant habit or a significant mindset. The first level of that has to come internally. Mike: That's right. Chris: So I have to believe that there's a reason. You know, it's I have the heart attack and all of a sudden I think maybe that exercise is a good idea. Or I'm presented with my first child or my first grandchild and I think, you know, maybe smoking isn't a really good idea. So there has to be something internal that's pushing you in that direction. Chris: And then, there has to be support for the change. Weight is a really good one to look at because there have been studies about this that says, if you look at your close circle of friends ... I mean, this is kind of a ticklish thing to even say out loud ... If your close circle of friends are overweight, there's a high probability that you will fail at a weight loss effort because the world does not want you to change. People want you to be predictable in the way that they know you. So it's amazing. You announce that you're going to watch what you eat, and your significant other brings home Ben & Jerry's ice cream in your favorite flavors. PART 1 OF 3 ENDS [00:11:04] Chris: Ben and Jerry's ice cream in your favorite flavors. Not because they're consciously trying to sabotage what's going on, not because they don't respect your endeavors, but quite frankly, if you're going to start doing all this healthy stuff, that's going to impact them having to do some healthy stuff. And it would be just easier for them if you just stayed the way you were. So both personally and organizationally if you come into your place of business and you announce to your leader, your manager, that you have made a decision that you really, this is one that I was really bad at when I was in the corporate world. I was terrible at filing my expense reports, which is stupid because it was my money. You know, I couldn't get my money back if I didn't file the reports. But on the scale of things that I wanted to do, it was always at the bottom. Chris: And so he was always coming in and saying, "You know, I got a call from the so and so department and you're behind on your expense reports, can you get those caught up?" Oh yeah, I will. And then I would do this monster thing and get them all in. And I know, I remember, going into his office one day after having one of those things saying, "You know this is ridiculous. I should just file these reports on time because it's such a pain when you let them go. And you get yelled at and then you have to yell at me and I just don't like it. So I'm going to do it differently." I had some internal motivation. I remember him looking me straight eye to eye and he rolls his eyes like yeah that's gonna happen. Chris: So I had the internal motivation, but I had no external support of, "Wow that would really be great. What can I do to help you make that happen?" Mike: Now what's interesting is your external motivation was him doubting. Chris: Right, exactly. Mike: Which is a lot of us. A lot of us as the friend or the family goes, "Yeah, right." And then we're like, "Oh yeah? Get ready. It's about to go down." Right? This is gonna happen. Chris: And sometimes, for some people, it works as that spur, I'll prove you wrong. For other people it's like why should I even bother? Because evidently they don't think I can do it. So I guess I don't think I can do it. So it's that curious combination and to our topic of respect, it's first of all you having respect for yourself. That you have this desired outcome. If I change my behavior, this is what I'm going to get for it. So that's I respect myself because that desired outcome feels good to me. And then it's the external, the respect of people around you who are willing to say, "Yeah, you can do this. I believe in you." So it comes from both those directions. And when you have both of that, you're more likely to see success. Mike: Without a doubt. And when you work with a trainer, speaking of health. When you work with a trainer they'll often ask, whoever your partner is or your spouse is, what are they making? If they're the one making the meal and you're not, what are they making? And you'll explain. They'll be like, "Have you told them what you're trying to do?" And so I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking, "Well my partner's not being supportive," instead of realizing well it's not their job to change their meals because of a change I'm trying to make. So there's also respect of just because I'm making this change does not mean the others around me have to be in this change process. So I need to start making my own meals. Chr…

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