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**Marketing Against The Grain**

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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I Replaced a $5,000 Designer with Google Stitch Mar 31, 2026

Show notes

Get Matt's free Vibe Design Guide: https://clickhubspot.com/wkse

Ep. 413

What if you could design a website just by describing what you want?

Kipp has Matt Wolfe (Future Tools) dive into Google's new Stitch tool, which uses AI to turn your prompts into polished web designs—no coding or design experience required. Learn more on how Vibe Design changes the way marketers build landing pages, why Stitch could replace legacy tools like ClickFunnels, and how you can export and iterate your site ideas directly inside Google's workflow.

Mentions

Matt Wolfe https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-wolfe-30841712/
Future Tools https://futuretools.io/
Google Stitch https://stitch.withgoogle.com/
Google AI Studio https://aistudio.google.com/
Figma https://www.figma.com/
vibe design https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/google-labs/stitch-ai-ui-design/
ClickFunnels https://www.clickfunnels.com/

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We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

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Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Claude Broke. Perplexity Built the App Anyway Mar 26, 2026

Show notes

Free Guide → Build a Custom Marketing Agent in Perplexity Computer: https://clickhubspot.com/ebnv

Ep. 412

How fast can you build a viable marketing tool with AI?

Kipp and Kieran dive into building a Creator Hub app on air, showing real-time problem-solving, iteration, and what it takes to turn an AI prototype into an MVP tool. Learn more on leveraging AI for creator partnerships, the behind-the-scenes process of live building with Perplexity Computer and Claude Code, and the surprising bugs, breakthroughs, and best practices when using these tools for marketers chasing innovation.

Mentions

Perplexity Computer https://www.perplexity.ai/computer/new
Claude Code https://claude.com/product/claude-code
Wispr Flow https://wisprflow.ai/
Manus https://manus.im/
Codex https://openai.com/codex/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat
‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

AI Is Making Your Marketing Worse (And How to Fix It) Mar 24, 2026

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Get our AI Career Guide ($100k AI jobs): https://clickhubspot.com/hjbs

Ep. 411

“Most marketing teams are scaling with AI right now, and the output is getting worse and worse”

Kieran dives into the 5 essential future roles every marketing team needs to master AI and stand out as AI transforms the industry. Learn more on why simply creating more content with AI isn’t enough, how brands like Unilever and Coca-Cola are experimenting (and sometimes struggling) with AI-driven marketing, and which new roles—like prompt strategist and agent ops manager—will define successful marketing teams in the era of autonomous agents.

Mentions

Unilever https://www.unilever.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
Veo3 https://aistudio.google.com/models/veo-3

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

This Content AI Agent Runs My 0-Employee Marketing Agency Mar 19, 2026

Show notes

Get Kieran's 11-skill AI content team: https://clickhubspot.com/fkbm

Ep. 410

The aftermath of the webinar is more important than the presentation itself.

Barbara Jovanovic, Co-Founder of Startup Cookie, dives into the secrets behind building a zero-employee marketing agency powered by AI, as outlined by Barbara. Learn more on automating content creation from webinars and podcasts, building custom AI agents for personalized marketing workflows, and maximizing team collaboration with streamlined tech stacks and distribution strategies.

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Barbara Jovanovic https://www.linkedin.com/in/barbara-startup-cookie/
Zapier https://zapier.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
HeyReach https://www.heyreach.io/
Instantly https://instantly.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

My 11-Skill AI Content Team (Built in Claude Code) Mar 17, 2026

Show notes

Get Kieran's 11-skill AI content team: https://clickhubspot.com/fkbm

Ep. 409

Why do some content ideas go viral while others flop?

Kieran dives into building an AI-powered content team that can research, analyze, draft, and constantly improve your marketing output. Learn more on orchestrating 11 essential AI-driven content skills across workflows, crafting personalized audience profiles and writing styles, and using feedback loops to supercharge your content system month after month.

Mentions

Claude Code https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
Substack https://substack.com/
Ahrefs https://ahrefs.com/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

I Built a $20,000 AI Consultant You Can Have For Free Mar 12, 2026

Show notes

Get our free $20K AI Transformation Consultant: https://clickhubspot.com/kbnr

Ep. 408

Did you know most teams aren't even clear on how their own workflows actually happen—and AI can help fix that, today?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the essential steps to transform your work with AI, including a free, $20,000-level AI consulting skill you can use right now. Learn more on how to identify gaps in your daily tasks using AI assistants, the best ways to implement and scale AI-first workflows (even if you're a total beginner), and how high-agency, low-tolerance teams are accelerating their transformation.

Mentions

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

This One Chart Exposes Why Most Companies Are Failing At AI Mar 10, 2026

Show notes

Get our AI Adoption playbook to redesign your business with AI: https://clickhubspot.com/kfwm

Ep. 407

Did you know that 84% of people surveyed have never used AI?

Kipp and Kieran dive into why the biggest threat to your business isn’t the competition or the economy—it’s your own inability to integrate AI, and how closing the gap between potential and reality is the key to outsized growth. Learn more on why new AI models aren’t the game-changer you think, what most businesses get wrong when adopting AI, and the practical steps you can take to redesign your workflows and build an AI-native company.

Mentions

OpenAI https://openai.com/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Google DeepMind https://deepmind.google/
Loom https://www.loom.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Perplexity Computer: The Super Agent Playbook (5 Real Workflows) Mar 05, 2026

Show notes

Get Kipp's favorite AI Skill (+ framework): https://clickhubspot.com/rhbm

Ep. 406

Is AI just building too much clutter in your workflow?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the rise of super agents like Perplexity Computer, Manus, Claude Code, and OpenClaw, and share actionable ways to harness their power for marketing teams. Learn more on the core use case every AI company is chasing, best practices for integrating AI into your daily workflow, and how to iterate on skills to unlock creative, efficient marketing results.

Mentions

Manus https://manus.im/
Claude Code https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
Claude Cowork https://support.claude.com/en/articles/13345190-get-started-with-cowork
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
OpenClaw https://openclaw.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Claude Code: Landing Page to Lead Magnet in 50 Minutes Mar 03, 2026

Show notes

Get the Claude Code guide (12 prompts + 4 workflows): https://clickhubspot.com/rqm

Ep. 405

Did you know it’s possible to build and launch a fully interactive inbound marketing campaign—including research, copy, and lead magnets—without writing any code or ever touching a conventional workflow tool?

Kipp, Kieran, and guest James Dickerson (co-founder of Boring Marketing) dive into the world of Claude Code, demystifying how Learn more as they break down the real power of Claude Code—including what makes it radically different from using Claude in the browser, how to use skills to multiply what you can accomplish, and tactical advice for automating website and campaign launches from scratch.

Mentions

James Dickerson https://www.linkedin.com/in/jadickerson/
Boring Marketing https://boringmarketing.com/
Claude Code https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
Replit https://replit.com/
Cursor https://cursor.com/
Firecrawl https://www.firecrawl.dev/
Playwright https://playwright.dev/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

We Tested an AI Agent That Builds 1000 Ads in 10 Minutes Feb 26, 2026

Show notes

Get our free AI Ads Workflows + Prompts to create 1k Ads: https://clickhubspot.com/kws

Ep. 404

Will every business have a creative agency “coworker” powered by AI?

Kipp, Kieran, and Patrick Haede (founder of Superscale AI) dive into how autonomous advertising agents are revolutionizing paid ads—making it possible for any business, no matter the size or budget, to compete with the world’s biggest brands. Learn more about how AI-driven agents can democratize access to high-quality ad production, why creative prompting gives marketers an edge in a world where everyone can generate hundreds of ads, and how onboarding and training your ad agent unlocks superhuman marketing performance.

Mentions

Patrick Haede https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickhaede/
Superscale https://superscale.ai/
Similarweb https://www.similarweb.com/
Shopify https://www.shopify.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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