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**Marketing Against The Grain**

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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Build An Army Of AI Employees To Run Your Business (With Hermes AI) Jul 01, 2026

Show notes

Build Your First AI Employee (Free Workflow + Prompt): https://clickhubspot.com/rkvr

Ep. 433

What if you could have an AI employee working right alongside you, automating key business workflows?

Kieran and guest Nick Vasilescu (Co-founder of Orgo) dive into how agents are the next big form of business leverage. Learn more on what it actually takes to get a functional AI agent up and running, how new connector tools like Composio make integrations simple, and why giving your agent a second brain with an Obsidian Vault is a game-changer for business productivity.

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Nick Vasilescu https://www.nickvasilescu.com/
Orgo https://www.orgo.ai/
Hermes Agent https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/
Composio https://composio.dev/
OpenClaw https://openclaw.ai/
GLM 5.2 https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.2
Obsidian https://obsidian.md/

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Host Links:

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How Top 1% Marketers Are Shifting Their Strategy in Q3 2026 Jun 25, 2026

Show notes

The marketing trends that matter this year: https://clickhubspot.com/djsk

Ep. 432

AI usage does not mean productivity.

Kipp and Kieran dive into the radical changes required to thrive in the AI-driven “Loop Marketing” era, and why outcome-obsession is now the only way to win. Learn more on why marketing has been more disrupted by AI than any other profession, how top teams organize for speed and learning, and nine essential principles behind Loop Marketing that will turbocharge your career and completely reshape how modern marketing teams operate.

Mentions

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1637636105?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_213Z2Q17JG0WJ0J5JHR1_1&bestFormat=true

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[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Automate Boring Tasks With Codex & Claude Code in X Minutes Jun 17, 2026

Show notes

Workflow for building skills with Claude Code & Codex: https://clickhubspot.com/kcta

Ep. 431

Should you just use Claude Code and Codex for your main workflows?

Kipp, Kieran, and guest Peter Yang (led products and teams at Roblox, Reddit, Amazon (Twitch), and Meta) dive into how marketers can transform their productivity with AI-driven systems, building reusable automations, and evaluating AI output for real impact. Learn more on identifying and documenting your workflows, building and refining AI “skills,” and harnessing powerful evaluation methods (evals) to ensure your automations actually deliver results.

Mentions

Peter Yang https://www.youtube.com/@peteryangyt
Codex https://openai.com/codex/
Claude Code https://claude.com/product/claude-code

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How Beehiiv's Founder Turned a Newsletter Into a $1M Pipeline Jun 10, 2026

Show notes

Get our AI Newsletter Stack (with prompts): https://clickhubspot.com/weqr

Ep 430

55% of buyers of a $10 playbook became paying users for Beehive, driving massive business value.

Kipp and Tyler Denk (Co-Founder and CEO of beehiiv) dive into how founder-led content, owned audiences, and strategic digital products can supercharge growth—even without massive scale. Learn more on the power of email as a direct, owned channel, building trust and community through transparency, and why even niche, high-intent audiences can unlock serious monetization and brand loyalty in the creator economy.

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Tyler Denk https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-denk
beehiiv https://www.beehiiv.com/
Morning Brew https://morningbrewinc.com/
Business Insider https://www.businessinsider.com/
Cloudflare https://www.cloudflare.com/
David Senra https://www.davidsenra.com/
Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow. https://a.co/d/03y0GZHi

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

This AI Second Brain Remembers Everything I Save (Codex) Jun 04, 2026

Show notes

Free Guide to Build Your Personal AI Wiki: https://clickhubspot.com/fcmt

Ep. 425

You can create a second brain in 15 minutes and for free.

Kipp and Matt Wolfe (Future Tools) dive into how to build your own "second brain" using tools like Obsidian and Codex, so you can finally make use of all the information you’re gathering. Learn more on setting up a personal wiki to organize your knowledge, harnessing AI-powered agents to automate and interlink content, and turning your information hoarding into proactive recommendations and smarter business decisions.

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Matt Wolfe https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-wolfe-30841712/
Future Tools https://futuretools.io/
Obsidian https://obsidian.md/
Obsidian Web Clipper https://obsidian.md/clipper
Codex https://openai.com/codex/
Claude Code https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
Cursor https://cursor.com/
Andrej Karpathy https://karpathy.ai/
Visual Studio Code https://code.visualstudio.com/
Notion https://www.notion.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Google is overhauling Search - what you need to know Jun 04, 2026

Show notes

Audit your AI Search Visibility with our free resource: https://clickhubspot.com/orjh

Ep. 428

93% of searches in Google’s new AI mode end without a single click—are your SEO dashboards lying to you?

Kipp dives into Google’s biggest search overhaul in 25 years and what it means for marketers and businesses. Learn more on why keyword ranking is dead, how AI-driven search is changing consumer behavior, and the three strategies you need to shift your marketing for the new era of AI-powered search.

Mentions

Logan Kilpatrick https://x.com/OfficialLoganK
Google I/O https://io.google/2026/
ICODA https://icoda.io/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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Host Links:

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Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How Dhar Mann Built A 65B View Machine Without Chasing The Algorithm Jun 04, 2026

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Ep. 427

Are Dhar Mann videos more therapeutic than talking to friends, family, or even a therapist?

Kipp, Kieran, and guest Dhar Mann (founder of Dhar Mann Studios), dive into how brands can unlock explosive growth and deep audience connection. Learn more about what it takes to move hearts and communities through storytelling, how to balance emotional connection versus gaming the platform algorithm, and the step-by-step HEART framework that transforms content into impact.

Mentions

Dhar Mann https://www.youtube.com/@DharMann
What Happens Next - The Dhar Mann Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR9M5Nh-CftZxJZqfcNnIYw/featured
Adobe Premiere https://www.adobe.com/products/premiere.html
Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://a.co/d/0bliMe9t

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Google Data Analyst Shares Her $300k/year Codex Workflow Jun 03, 2026

Show notes

Free: Build an AI Data Analysis Agent in Codex https://clickhubspot.com/eqfk

Ep. 429

Is AI-powered data analysis light years away from replacing humans?

Kipp and guest Sundas Khalid (data science and AI leader) dive into how agentic analytics is transforming data science, what human judgment still brings to the table, and how to master cutting-edge AI tools for your work. Learn more on how to leverage Codex and other AI tools for real-world data analysis, the crucial mindset shifts and skills every data-driven professional needs, and why asking the right questions—and validating AI output—will set you apart in the age of agentic analytics.

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Sundas Khalid https://www.youtube.com/sundaskhalid
Codex https://openai.com/codex/
Gemini https://gemini.google.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

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Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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Host Links:

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Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

This Is the End of Chatbots May 14, 2026

Show notes

Get the Voice AI Prompt Pack for Marketers: https://clickhubspot.com/fd5a

Ep. 426

AI will give your brand an actual voice.

Kipp dives into the hottest trend in AI that not many are talking about—Voice AI—and how it’s set to revolutionize your brand’s customer experience. Learn more on why real-time voice is the new marketing channel you can’t afford to ignore, how foundational advances from OpenAI and Thinking Machines make AI conversations faster and more human than ever, and the steps every marketer should take to define, audit, and upgrade their brand’s voice in the age of AI.

Mentions

GPT‑Realtime‑2 https://openai.com/index/advancing-voice-intelligence-with-new-models-in-the-api/
Thinking Machines https://thinkingmachines.ai/
Willow Voice https://willowvoice.com/
ElevenLabs https://elevenlabs.io/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

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Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How Brands Win in ChatGPT Search May 07, 2026

Show notes

Get the Winning AEO Playbook: https://clickhubspot.com/oksd

Ep. 424

“I can't go a single second without someone asking me what the heck answer engine optimization is.”

Kipp and Kieran have Beeri Amiel (Product at HubSpot and founder of XFunnel) and Aja Frost (Sr. Director of Global Growth and Paid at HubSpot) dive into the launch and demo of HubSpot's brand new AEO tool, built to track your visibility in answer engines and help you win the next evolution of search. Learn more on building your AEO strategy, measuring share of voice and sentiment, and using actionable insights to drive results your boss will love.

Mentions

Aja Frost https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajafrost/
Beeri Amiel https://www.linkedin.com/in/beeri-amiel/
HubSpot AEO Portal https://clickhubspot.com/aeo
Dell https://www.dell.com/en-us
HP https://www.hp.com/us-en/home.html
Lenovo https://www.lenovo.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat
‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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