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**Marketing Against The Grain**

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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How To 5x Your Business Overnight With Influencer Marketing Aug 11, 2026

Show notes

Influencer-Led Growth Stack (10 prompts): https://clickhubspot.com/gfdr

Ep. 443

What’s the clever, better alternative to pouring more money into Google or Meta ads?

Kipp dives into a step-by-step playbook for launching your first influencer campaign that any marketer can use to break away from rising ad costs and stale channels. Learn more on how to find the right influencers for your brand, calculate smart budgets and ROI for partnerships, and use a proven scorecard to evaluate creators for long-term success.

Mentions

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book
Unilever https://www.unilever.com/
Founders Podcast https://www.founderspodcast.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/

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Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Where to Spend Your 2027 Ad Budget, Explained Simply Aug 06, 2026

Show notes

Paid Ads Rebuild: 3 Workflows + 8 Prompts to Fix What AI Broke: https://clickhubspot.com/jgvk

Ep. 442

50% of Google searches now result in zero clicks, how does that affect your 2027 ad budget?

Kipp dives into how AI has completely disrupted the paid ads landscape, changing where you should spend your marketing dollars and what those ads actually cost. Learn more on which ad channels have become more expensive, where you can still find underpriced opportunities like YouTube Shorts, and why most 2027 marketing budgets are already broken if they don’t account for these rapid changes.

Mentions

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book
HeyGen https://app.heygen.com/
Captions https://captions.ai/
Canva https://www.canva.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

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TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

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Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How Liquid Death Turned Going Viral Into Millions in Sales Aug 04, 2026

Show notes

Map your media spend with our full-funnel audit template: https://clickhubspot.com/ckev

Ep. 441

Distribution is undefeated—and if you’re not building systems to measure real sales impact, you don’t have a business.

Kipp and guest Benoit Vatere (Liquid Death’s Chief Media and Digital Commerce Officer) dive into the untold story of Liquid Death’s explosive growth, and the critical role of full-funnel marketing systems behind the brand. Learn more on how to measure incrementality instead of just chasing ROAS, why big home-run tests matter more than small optimizations, and the approach to creative and channel strategy that actually builds both brand and revenue.

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Benoit Vatere https://www.linkedin.com/in/benoitvatere
Liquid Death https://liquiddeath.com/
Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://a.co/d/08By5k2w
Mike Cessario https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikecessario
Landman https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/landman/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

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Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Use AI to never run out of winning content ideas Jul 30, 2026

Show notes

Weekly AI Content Ideation System: https://clickhubspot.com/rtjed

Ep. 440

Are you still stuck regurgitating the same content ideas that everyone else is using?

Kieran dives into the secrets behind building a world-class AI content ideation system that delivers fresh, high-impact ideas every time. Learn more on mapping proven content patterns to your platforms, crafting rich audience profiles (that go beyond basic ICPs), and building a personal content queue to keep your creativity flowing—all while making AI your creative superpower, not a shortcut.

Mentions

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://a.co/d/08By5k2w
Claude https://claude.ai/
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Substack https://substack.com/
Atomic Habits https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habits

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

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Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

If Your Team Is Producing AI Slop, Here's How To Fix it Jul 28, 2026

Show notes

Anti-AI Slop Checklist: https://clickhubspot.com/olkw

Ep. 439

Are you just passing AI-generated slop back and forth at work?

Kipp and guest Hilary Gridley (founder of the newsletter Writerbuilder) dive into how teams can escape the AI slop doom loop and leverage artificial intelligence to scale taste, judgment, and high-performance work—not just automate mediocrity. Learn more on the crucial role of clarity and context in AI-powered teams, why leaders must redefine what “good” looks like, and practical tools to set quality bars, create feedback loops, and eliminate sloppy outputs from your team’s workflow.

Mentions

Hilary Gridley https://www.linkedin.com/in/hilarygridley
Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://a.co/d/08By5k2w
Writerbuilder https://hils.substack.com/p/writing-is-building-now
Maven https://maven.com/hilary-gridley/ai-powered-people-management
Whoop https://www.whoop.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How to Automate ALL of your Marketing w/ Claude Cowork Jul 23, 2026

Show notes

Free guide + skill: build social carousels in claude cowork: https://clickhubspot.com/dkhc

Ep. 438

How do you differentiate your marketing when everyone else is using the same AI tools?

Kipp and Kieran dive into building next-level marketing systems with AI that actually set you apart, featuring digital growth consultant and educator Grace Leung. Discover why context is king in AI marketing, how to build simple but powerful systems that scale, and the secret to making your brand voice and strategy shine through every asset. Learn more on designing reusable AI workflows, structuring context-rich file systems, and maximizing team collaboration while building a future-proof marketing stack.

Mentions

Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://a.co/d/08By5k2w
Grace Leung https://www.youtube.com/@graceleungyl
Claude Cowork https://support.claude.com/en/articles/13345190-get-started-with-claude-cowork
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Codex https://openai.com/codex/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Side Hustle King: 3 High Demand AI Businesses I'd Start TODAY Jul 21, 2026

Show notes

200+ Business Ideas: https://clickhubspot.com/wrdj

Ep. 437

How do you find business ideas before they go viral—and turn them into real income?

Kipp, Kieran, and guest Chris Koerner (entrepreneur and host of The Koerner Office Podcast) dive into the unique mindsets, strategies, and tactics needed to spot opportunities before they explode and build successful businesses from them. Learn more on how to pattern match hidden opportunities, leverage AI to scale new service models, and uncover overlooked markets that are ripe for innovation.

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Chris Koerner https://www.chrisjkoerner.com/
The Koerner Office https://www.youtube.com/@thekoerneroffice
Buc-ees https://buc-ees.com/
Shopify https://www.shopify.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
LoopNet https://www.loopnet.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

If You Use AI for Work, You Need a Second Brain Jul 16, 2026

Show notes

Build Your AI Second Brain: https://clickhubspot.com/ldwc

Ep. 436

The number one trend in AI right now is the rise of AI second brains—personal operating systems designed to accelerate careers and make work smarter, not harder.

Kieran dives into how building your own AI second brain can transform personal productivity, decision-making, and the way you learn. Learn more on how AI second brains store and retrieve knowledge, the core building blocks for setting one up, and why continuous information ingestion helps your personal system compound intelligence over time.

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Andrej Karpathy https://karpathy.ai/
Obsidian https://obsidian.md/
Tiago Forte https://www.youtube.com/@TiagoForte
Notion https://www.notion.com/
Brian Halligan https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianhalligan
Claude https://claude.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

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Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

If You're A Marketer, Copy These Codex Skills (Or Stay Behind) Jul 14, 2026

Show notes

Free Claude + Codex Skill-Building Starter Pack: https://clickhubspot.com/clzf

Ep. 435

Are you just asking AI questions, or are you actually building repeatable skills?

Kipp and guest Riley Brown (content creator and AI educator) dive into how to level up your content game and marketing efficiency by strategically creating and collaborating with AI agents. Learn more on why documenting your weekly workflows is a game changer, how to turn AI experiments into scalable skills, and what the frontier of agent-powered team collaboration looks like in platforms like Codex and Slack.

Mentions

Riley Brown https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMcoud_ZW7cfxeIugBflSBw
Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1637636105?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_VPTVJUW097F1PLSGOQTH&bestFormat=true
Claude https://claude.ai/
Anthropic https://www.anthropic.com/
SupaData https://supadata.ai/
Notion https://www.notion.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How 1 Human + AI Replaced a 15-Person RevOps Team Jul 08, 2026

Show notes

Free GTM Prompt Pack for Perplexity Computer: https://clickhubspot.com/gbvs

Ep. 434

Can one RevOps leader and a team of AI agents really replace a 10-15 person operations team?

Kieran and guest Nate Follen (Head of strategy and Ops for Perplexity) dive into the real-world impact of Perplexity on modern go-to-market and RevOps workflows. Learn more on automating tedious CRM audits, building thoughtful event workflows with AI-powered model councils, and creating a scalable skills library for proactive, agent-driven teams.

Mentions

Nate Follen https://www.linkedin.com/in/follen
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
Ramp https://ramp.com/
Ironclad https://ironcladapp.com/
Apollo https://www.apollo.io/
Nvidia https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/
Gemini https://gemini.google.com/app
Claude https://claude.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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