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**Marketing Against The Grain**

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot’s SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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233M Views in 3 Days: The David Beckham AI Workflow Jan 20, 2026

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Get PJ's free AI Video Production Stack + Workflow: https://clickhubspot.com/whs

Ep. 393

233 million views in just three days — can AI-generated ads really replace million-dollar productions?

Kipp, Kieran, and guest, PJ Accetturo, of Genre.ai, dive into the wild world of AI-powered commercial workflows and the viral David Beckham ad that’s turning heads across the industry. Learn more about AI-driven creative teams, the tools behind photorealistic video production, and the emerging future—where hyper-niche stories thrive and challenger brands outsmart the incumbents.

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PJ Accetturo https://www.linkedin.com/in/pj-accetturo-b3b693129/
Genre.ai https://www.genre.ai/
Figma https://www.figma.com/
Nano Banana Pro https://gemini.google/overview/image-generation/
Freepik https://www.freepik.com/ai/image-generator
Veo 3.1 https://gemini.google/overview/video-generation/
Kling https://klingai.com/global/
ElevenLabs https://elevenlabs.io/

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Claude Cowork Just Did 7 Days of Work in 15 Minutes Jan 15, 2026

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Get our free prompt stack for Claude Cowork: https://clickhubspot.com/smd

Ep. 392

Is this the ChatGPT moment for business productivity?

Kipp Bodnar dives into why Claude Cowork represents a seminal moment in AI for business use, breaking down how it empowers non-technical users to work faster and smarter than ever. Learn more about what makes Cowork unique (local file access and true desktop integration), how AI can automate your workday (from building strategies to batch-creating assets), and why this could be the biggest AI leap for business since ChatGPT.

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Claude Cowork https://support.claude.com/en/articles/13345190-getting-started-with-cowork
Claude Code https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
Claude Max https://support.claude.com/en/articles/11014257-about-claude-s-max-plan-usage

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We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

This Video Proves AI Generated Images are Dying Jan 13, 2026

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Get our AI content system that keeps your content human: https://clickhubspot.com/fbe

Ep. 391

Is 2026 the year of the AI backlash?

Kieran Flanagan and Kipp Bodnar dive into what the growing resentment toward AI content means for marketers and how to stand out by embracing human creativity and expertise. Learn more about why authenticity is becoming the ultimate growth strategy, how brands like Equinox are flipping AI slop into standout campaigns, and the practical steps you need to succeed in a world overwhelmed by generic, automated content.

Mentions

Grok https://grok.com/
Equinox AI Ads https://www.instagram.com/p/DTIsY5tkrSB/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Patagonia 2011 New York Times ad https://www.patagonia.com/stories/planet/activism/dont-buy-this-jacket-black-friday-and-the-new-york-times/story-18615.html

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How to Make the Most Realistic AI Videos (Step-by-Step Tutorial) Jan 08, 2026

Show notes

Get Kieran's AI Video Ad Stack guide + prompts: https://clickhubspot.com/rhv

Ep. 390

How long does it really take to make a realistic AI video ad?

Kipp and Kieran dive into a step-by-step tutorial for creating high-quality, believable AI-powered videos, even if you’re not a video expert. Learn more on how to develop a creative concept that AI tools can’t replace, the essential workflow for using Veo 3.1 and Nano Banana Pro, and why reference images are the secret to seamless video scenes. This episode breaks down the process and tips to help you master AI video creation faster and smarter.

Mentions

Veo 3.1 https://deepmind.google/models/veo/
Nano Banana Pro https://gemini.google/overview/image-generation/
ElevenLabs https://elevenlabs.io/
Figma https://www.figma.com/
CapCut https://www.capcut.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

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Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

5 AI Tools The Smartest Marketers Are Using In 2026 Jan 06, 2026

Show notes

7 AI Tools you'll need in 2026 (Free Guide, Prompts, Workflows): https://clickhubspot.com/ekv

Ep. 389

What are the five AI skills every marketer needs to win in 2026?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the top five AI launches and must-have skills transforming marketing in 2026, breaking down what matters amid an overwhelming wave of new technology. Learn more on using Gemini 3 for content remixing and competitive intelligence, mastering next-level image and video creation with cutting-edge models like Nano Banana Pro and Veo 3.1, and the critical importance of automation, agentic workflows, and vibe coding to unlock 10x marketing scale.

Mentions

Gemini 3 https://gemini.google.com/app
Claude Opus 4.5 http://anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-5
Nano Banana Pro https://gemini.google/overview/image-generation/
Veo 3.1 https://deepmind.google/models/veo/
Sora 2 https://openart.ai/video/i2v/sora-v2

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

I Used ChatGPT & n8n to Stop Customers from Leaving | Tina Huang Dec 30, 2025

Show notes

Get Tina's Prompt Engineer Guide to make killer AI agents: https://clickhubspot.com/dte

Ep. 388

Did you know that deep domain expertise—not just engineering chops—is now the critical skill for building powerful AI workflows?

Kipp and Tina Huang, data scientist and YouTuber, dive into how anyone can use tools like ChatGPT and n8n to stop customers from leaving by automating and personalizing your workflows for true impact. Learn more on identifying the right problems to automate, the essential components of building AI-powered agents, and the cultural and organizational strategies to actually get your team on board and drive change.

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Tina Huang https://www.youtube.com/@TinaHuang1
n8n https://n8n.io/
Gemini 3 https://gemini.google.com/app
Gumloop https://www.gumloop.com/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Can you really build a viral content creation app in under 10 minutes? Dec 18, 2025

Show notes

Want our AI App Builder Kit (with prompts)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/vdb

Ep. 387

Can you really build a viral content creation app in under 10 minutes?

Kieran dives into the rapid process of building an AI-powered app that transforms any YouTube video into viral talking points you can use across all your content channels. Learn more on how to craft educational hooks, develop spicy takes, and leverage actionable data nuggets to fuel your social media, newsletters, and more. Find out how you can use this workflow—and build your own suite of internal tools—to supercharge your team's creativity with cutting-edge AI.

Mentions

Gemini 3 https://aistudio.google.com/models/gemini-3
Google Build https://ai.google/build/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

How to do 4 Hours of Data Analysis in 10 Minutes with AI (Claude) Dec 16, 2025

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Want our free Data Storyteller Stack (7 AI prompts)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/rvg

Ep. 386

How can you turn painstaking manual data analysis and deck-building into just minutes of work?

Kipp and Kieran dive into the new cloud workflow that will save you hours every week and change your reporting forever. Learn more on creating interactive dashboards from messy CSVs, uncovering actionable insights with a single prompt, and using AI to auto-generate executive-ready decks—no more pivot tables, manual graphs, or painful copy-paste.

Mentions

Claude Opus 4.5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-5
Microsoft Excel https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/excel
Microsoft PowerPoint https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/powerpoint
Google Sheets https://workspace.google.com/products/sheets/
Gemini https://gemini.google.com/app

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

‘My Data Proves SEO is NOT Dead’ + How to Rank #1 on Google & AI Dec 11, 2025

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Get our 10 AI prompts to dominate SEO & AEO: https://clickhubspot.com/mbc

Is SEO more relevant than we thought?

Ep. 385

Kipp, Kieran, and Ethan Smith, CEO of Graphite, dive into the data behind the real state of SEO, debunking the myths that SEO is dead and uncovering what’s really changing with the rise of answer engine optimization. Learn more on whether LLMs are really overtaking search, how marketers should invest between SEO and AEO, and the most repeatable tactics to rank #1 on Google and show up in AI-generated answers.

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Ethan Smith https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanls
Graphite https://graphite.io/
Ahrefs https://ahrefs.com/
ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/
Grok https://grok.com/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

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Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

Don't Hire a Developer Until You Watch This Gemini 3 Demo Dec 09, 2025

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Get our vibe code prompts: https://clickhubspot.com/dfm

Ep. 384

Did you know that Gemini 3 can build an interactive landing page in less than 10 minutes?

Kieran and Logan Kilpatrick, of Google, dive into the paradigm-shifting capabilities of Google’s Gemini 3, showing marketers exactly how AI can transform creative workflows and level up your marketing game. Learn more on using Gemini 3 for vibe coding viral apps, turning landing pages into interactive user experiences, rapid image and video prototyping with Nano Banana Pro, and visualizing campaign data for instant insights.

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Logan Kilpatrick https://www.linkedin.com/in/logankilpatrick
Gemini 3 https://aistudio.google.com/models/gemini-3
Nano Banana Pro https://gemini.google/overview/image-generation/
Flow https://labs.google/flow/about

Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

Resource

[Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg

Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod

Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

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If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

We really appreciate your support.

Host Links:

Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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