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    Free as in Freedom

    A bi-weekly discussion of legal, policy, and other issues in the open source and software freedom community (including occasional interviews) from Brooklyn, New York, USA. Presented by Karen Sandler and Bradley M. Kuhn.

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    0x57: Support Conservancy Now! Nov 24, 2015
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    Free as in Freedom host Christopher Allan Webber interviews Karen Sandler and Bradley Kuhn about their work on copyleft and at Software Freedom Conservancy. You can become a Supporter of this work!

    Show Notes:

    • Bradley mentioned Cygnus Solutions, ultimately acquired by Red Hat, which was an early for-profit supporter of copylefted projects.
    • Bradley and Karen discussed the VMware lawsuit.
    • Chris Webber wrote this blog post in response to a Shane Curcuru, who is VP of Brand Management at the Apache Software Foundation, anti-copyleft talk at OSCON 2015. Shane's talk is consistent with Apache Software Foundation's historical and recent anti-copyleft positions (12:23)

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x56: … & We're Back! Jun 04, 2015
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    Bradley and Karen discuss the VMware lawsuit that Software Freedom Conservancy is funding.

    Show Notes:

    • Bradley and Karen discuss the lawsuit that Christoph Hellwig filed. (07:37)
    • Karen mentioned her LibrePlanet keynote about the VMware lawsuit. (21:30)
    • Bradley's talk at LinuxConf Australia 2015, Considering The Future of Copyleft, is available online. (22:04)
    • Bradley mentioned the discussion on pump.io about NPR fundraisers. (24:23)
    • Bradley mentioned a Debian 8 release party at LinuxFest Northwest, which Microsoft didn't invite him to, since he wasn't willing to give Microsoft his contact info for marketing purposes. (29:16)
    • Karen and Bradley promoted the Conservancy supporter program (31:40)

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x55: Nick Coghlan at LCA 2015 Mar 03, 2015
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    Bradley and Karen interview Nick Coghlan, who works onn development and test infrastructure for Red Hat and is heavily involved with the Python community.

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:00:35)

    Bradley and Karen interviewed Nick Coghlan who works for Red Hat and contributes to various Open Source and Free Software projects such as Python. Nick discussed his work on the infrastructure team at Red Hat, and his advocacy of Kallithea for use for the CPython project.

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x54: Carol Smith at LCA 2015 Jan 29, 2015
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    Bradley and Karen interview Carol Smith, Programs and Open Source Community Manager of Google Summer of Code about the program and its policies and procedures.

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:00:35)

    Bradley encourages those who attend FOSDEM 2015 to attend sign up to attend the Supporter Night Event on 30 January 2015 in Brussels, Belgium.

    Segment 1 (00:50:11)

    More Show notes for this one coming soon!

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x53: Can Plagiarism Happen Under Copyleft? Dec 30, 2014
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    Bradley and Karen discuss what plagiarism is (or isn't) and how it interacts with copyleft licenses.

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:00:37)

    • Please donate to to send Dan to a conference. There's a progress bar on faif.us now.
    • You can also donate to support Software Freedom Conservancy, where Bradley and Karen work, by becoming a supporter.
    • Karen mentioned her blog post about the supporter program. (00:08:30)
    • Bradley mentioned his blog post about the supporter program as well. (00:09:30)

    Segment 1 (00:16:16)

    • Bradley and Karen pick up on a topic original discussed in Segment 1 of FaiF 0x02. (00:16:50)
    • Bradley discussed the Laurie Stearns' article from the California Law Review, entitled Copy Wrong: Plagiarism, Process, Property, and the Law (00:23:50)
    • Bradley mentioned The GNOME Foundation Copyright Assignment Guidelines that he co-authored. (00:28:05)
    • Bradley mentioned the Doris Kearns Goodwin Plagiarism controversy, and how it would have been simply redressed if the material she reused had been copylefted. (00:29:26)
    • Karen mentioned that Flickr made different policies for CC-BY-SA'd works when selling printed versions. (32:30)
    • Bradley mentioned that even software freedom advocates just comply with the copyleft licenses and don't work collaboratively, particularly during hostile forks, using Conservancy's Kallithea project as an example. (00:35:25)
    • Bradley reiterated a point he made in FaiF 0x08, where he discussed that Linus Torvalds switched to GPL for Linux because he realized non-commercial restrictions weren't appropriate. (00:37:50)
    • Bradley mentioned the hostile fork of GCC called egcs. The H-Online years later wrote a long article that discussed the egcs fork egcs fork. (00:39:46)
    • Bradley mentioned that plagiarism is ultimately about attribution, and modern DVCS systems makes attribution easy and renders plagiarism impossible (if DVCS logs are accurate). (00:44:15)
    • Bradley mentioned that he continually has learned the lesson that if you let your employer keep copyright, you lose everything you had when you switch employers (if the work isn't copylefted). (00:47:00)
    • Bradley discussed the methods of attribution required in GPLv3. (00:50:05)
    • Bradley mentioned that copyright notices are the primary method of attribution in copyleft licenses, and even non-copyleft ones too. (00:53:19)
    • Karen discussed the attribution requirements in text of CC-BY-SA 4.0. (00:53:49)
    • Bradley wants to do a whole FaiF show about how CC-BY-SA may not be a true copyleft since it has no source code requirement (00:54:40)
    • Bradley mentioned the “fake name” that film directors use when they wish to disavow a work they aren't happy with. The name is, in fact, Alan Smithee, and indeed the 1984 film Dune lists Smithee as a director even though David Lynch is known publicly to be the director. (00:58:40)
    • Bradley mentioned the unfair accusations against Red Hat when they stopped publishing their internal Linux Git repository and instead released a more standard ChangeLog. (01:05:30)

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x52: Legal Issues from a Radical Community Angle Dec 24, 2014
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    Bradley and Karen play and discuss

    Stefano Zacchiroli's talk entitled Legal issues from a radical community angle that he gave 12:00 European/Central time on Sunday 2 February 2014 at FOSDEM 2014.

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:00:35)

    Karen and Bradley introduce the talk.

    Segment 1 (00:02:38)

    Stefano Zacchiroli's talk entitled Legal issues from a radical community angle . You can watch the video instead of listening to our audio and/or follow along with Zach's slides.

    Segment 2 (00:53:17)

    • Please note: Bradley and Karen recorded these comments before the init system coupling referendum completed, which is why Karen and Bradley don't discuss it. However, their comments about the Debian democratic process are highly relevant to the recent vote. Also, Bradley discussed his views on that specific issue as a guest co-host on Linux Outlaws, Episode 368.
    • Bradley and Karen discussed SPI as Debian's fiscal sponsor and used a few terms like grantor/grantee (01:01:20)

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x51: Why Licenses Requiring Use of Trademarks are Non-Free Dec 11, 2014
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    Bradley and Karen play and discuss Pam Chestek's talk entitled Why Licenses Requiring Use of Trademarks are Non-Free that she gave on Sunday 2 February 2014 at FOSDEM 2014.

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:00:34)

    • You can donate now to send Producer Dan Lynch to a Free Software conference. Donations will be made to Conservancy and any proceeds raised beyond the amount needed to send Dan to a conference will support Conservancy generally. (05:30)
    • Dan will of course need to follow Conservancy's travel policy since Conservancy will fund his travel. (06:50)
    • Bradley discussed the backstory on the Groupon attempt to steal GNOME's name. GNOME Foundation had to go public to raise funds to fight Groupon (10:05)

    Segment 1 (00:13:26)

    Pam Chestek gives a talk entitled Why Licenses Requiring Use of Trademarks are Non-Free. You can watch the video instead of listening to our audio and follow along with Pam's slides.

    Segment 2 (01:00:37)

    • Bradley mentioned Pam's talk from the previous year, which was played on 0x3C. (01:01:32)
    • Bradley mentioned that GPLv3§7 allows for removal of additional restrictions that abuse that clause of GPLv3. (01:04:24)

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x5B: Interview with RMS on GNU's 30th Anniversary Nov 24, 2014
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    Karen and Bradley interview Richard M. Stallman on the occasion of the 30th Anniversary of the GNU Project.

    Note: Episode 0x5B was released out of sequence, but they are in the order of release date on faif.us (rather than numerical order by episode number).

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:34)

    Note: Episode 0x5B was released out of sequence, but they are in the order of release date on faif.us (rather than numerical order by episode number).

    Bradley and Karen introduce the interview.

    Segment 1 (01:20)

    • This segment is an interview with Richard M. Stallman on the occasion of GNU's thirtieth anniversary.
    • RMS mentioned the LibreJS project. (26:10)
    • Segment 2 (33:58)

      • Bradley and Karen discuss the interview.
      • Bradley mis-rememered, RMS said he would start on Thanksgiving in the original announcement (38.40).

      Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

      Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

      Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x50: Big Announcements & Evans' FOSDEM 2014 Talk Nov 11, 2014
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    Karen and Bradley announce Conservancy's DMCA filing and Conservancy and FSF's joint launch of the copyleft.org project, and then discuss Eileen Evans' FOSDEM 2014 talk, entitled Licensing Models and Building an Open Source Community.

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:36)

    • Conservancy file a DMCA petition regarding so-called “Smart TVs”. (02:00)
    • Bradley mentioned the magic marker that was as circumvention technique under DMCA. Here's an amusing joke press release about the issue. (03:10)
    • There isn't much documentation online of Bruce Perens live DMCA violation, but this article appears to be the main one on the subject, and there is also this interview (06:46).
    • Bradley and Karen talked about the joint FSF/Conservancy copyleft.org announcement. (09:10)
    • Bradley first pulled together the materials for copyleft.org for FSF's CLE seminars, particularly the one in March 2014. (10:00)
    • Karen noted that Conservancy donated the time to write up a pristine example of good complete, corresponding source code for a GPL'd product. (11:30)
    • Bradley discussed the incorrect GPLv2§2(a) violation accusations that some made against Red Hat regarding its changes to its publication of RHEL's Linux fork. (12:00)
    • Karen and Bradley encouraged listeners to submit talk proposals for the FOSDEM 2015 Legal and Policy Issues DevRoom (15:03)

    Segment 1 (19:38)

    This is a recording of Eileen Evans' FOSDEM 2014 talk, entitled Licensing Models and Building an Open Source Community. If you'd rather watch the video, which includes the slides from her talk, it's available on FOSDEM's site.

    Segment 2 (46:40)

    • Bradley and Karen discuss Eileen's talk.
    • Bradley mentioned the OpenStack CLA fight, which was covered in a panel discussion on FaiF 0x4B. (56:16)
    • Karen mentioned the 501(c)(6) issues that OpenStack Foundation has faced, which were discussed already on FaiF 0x4E. (56:34)

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


    0x5A: Gamergate's Free Software Connection Oct 23, 2014
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    Note: Episode 0x5A was released out of sequence, but they are in the order of release date on faif.us (rather than numerical order).

    Karen and Bradley discuss connections between the so-called “Gamergate” controversy and how it relates to the Free Software community and a few obvious legal issues.

    Show Notes:

    Segment 0 (00:37)

    • Karen asked if Bradley had heard of the Gamergate situation. (01:30)
    • Matthew Garrett wrote a blog post regarding this topic entitled Actions have consequences (or: why I'm not fixing Intel's bugs any more) (10:23)
    • Mathew was attacked on LKML about this blog post (10:50)
    • Lennart Poettering also wrote an essay recently about aggression and attacking people in Free Software communities. (12:12)
    • Karen mentioned the harassment Kathy Sierra faced in the late 2000s. (13:00)
    • Bradley called out Linux Foundation to ask why they tacitly support the bad behavior by its employees and others in the Linux Project (14:35, 31:10)
    • Bradley mentioned that Antti Aumo in his LinuxCon Europe 2011 keynote, said that a great thing about the Internet of Things is that you can put a lock on your fridge when the wife's on a diet. (16:32)
    • Bradley mentioned the Eddie Murphy's Saturday Night Live skit, White Like Me, which according to the transcript, originally aired on 1984-12-15 on SNL. (24:45)
    • Bradley mentioned FaiF 0x13, which discussed torts and why they're important. (29:50)
    • Bradley wrote a blog post about Bradley mentioned his blog post about John Oliver's discussion of the Miss America Pageant (43:30)
    • Bradley suggested that Intel should have instead given the Gamasutra money to Society of Women Engineers Scholarship fund. (45:30)
    • Karen mentioned the statement Intel published a statement regarding the situation. (47:10)

    Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

    Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

    Creative Commons License The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).


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