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A bi-weekly discussion of legal, policy, and other issues in the open source and software freedom community (including occasional interviews) from Brooklyn, New York, USA. Presented by Karen Sandler and Bradley M. Kuhn.

Copyright: © 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, Free as in Freedom. Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 USA License.

Latest Episodes:

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x09: Copyleft, -or-later, and Basics of Compatibility Feb 15, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss types of copyleft generally and introduce the basics of license compatibility and -or-later clauses.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:38)

This show discusses copyleft and basic issues of license compatibility (04:09)

Karen mentioned an episode of the old Software Freedom Law Show, Episode 0x08, where Bradley and Karen discussed selecting a FLOSS license and what the various options are. (04:45)

license compatibility 06:28
Bradley incorrectly said that the original Emacs license didn't have the word General in it. However, the other explanations appear to be correct. There's a useful history page that someone wrote about the history of GPL. It appears the non-general GNU copylefts existed from 1984-1988. (06:57)

Karen noted that the Library GPL was renamed to the Lesser GPL which happened in 1999. (09:30)

Bradley mentioned that when he and RMS worked on the GNU Classpath Exception, Bradley suggested it be called the Least GPL. (10:38)

GPL doesn't have a choice of law clause. If another copyleft does, it surely is incompatible with the GPL. (14:17)

AGPLv3 § 13 and GPLv3 § 13 explicitly make themselves compatibility with each other, which Bradley calls compatibility by fiat. (15:40)

Karen mentioned that the Mozilla Public License § 13 has a section about multiple licensed code (16:50).

Bradley mentioned that Mozilla Firefox uses a combinatorial license: (GPL|LGPL|MPL), which is a disjunctive tri-license. (19:00).

Bradley mentioned that the old Software Freedom Law Show Episode 0x17 discussed compatibility of permissively licensed software and copylefted software. (20:22)

Apache Software License 2.0 was likely the first FLOSS license to have an explicit patent licensing provision (23:40)

Bradley and Karen discussed the fact that -only vs. -or-later are options with the GPL, while they are not with other copylefts, such as CC-By-SA. (30:11)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x09: Copyleft, -or-later, and Basics of Compatibility Feb 15, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss types of copyleft generally and introduce the basics of license compatibility and -or-later clauses.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:38)

This show discusses copyleft and basic issues of license compatibility (04:09)

Karen mentioned an episode of the old Software Freedom Law Show, Episode 0x08, where Bradley and Karen discussed selecting a FLOSS license and what the various options are. (04:45)

license compatibility 06:28
Bradley incorrectly said that the original Emacs license didn't have the word General in it. However, the other explanations appear to be correct. There's a useful history page that someone wrote about the history of GPL. It appears the non-general GNU copylefts existed from 1984-1988. (06:57)

Karen noted that the Library GPL was renamed to the Lesser GPL which happened in 1999. (09:30)

Bradley mentioned that when he and RMS worked on the GNU Classpath Exception, Bradley suggested it be called the Least GPL. (10:38)

GPL doesn't have a choice of law clause. If another copyleft does, it surely is incompatible with the GPL. (14:17)

AGPLv3 § 13 and GPLv3 § 13 explicitly make themselves compatibility with each other, which Bradley calls compatibility by fiat. (15:40)

Karen mentioned that the Mozilla Public License § 13 has a section about multiple licensed code (16:50).

Bradley mentioned that Mozilla Firefox uses a combinatorial license: (GPL|LGPL|MPL), which is a disjunctive tri-license. (19:00).

Bradley mentioned that the old Software Freedom Law Show Episode 0x17 discussed compatibility of permissively licensed software and copylefted software. (20:22)

Apache Software License 2.0 was likely the first FLOSS license to have an explicit patent licensing provision (23:40)

Bradley and Karen discussed the fact that -only vs. -or-later are options with the GPL, while they are not with other copylefts, such as CC-By-SA. (30:11)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x08: Strictly Commercial Feb 01, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss non-commercial-only commons licenses, particularly the CC-By-NC license, and how they compare to Free Culture and Free Software licenses, and why some authors pick NC licenses instead of Free Culture/Software ones.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:36)

Listeners seeking a show on how to select a Free Software license, differences between copyleft and non-copyleft, and how they interact with copyright are encouraged to listen to episode 0x08 of the old Software Freedom Law Show which covered these topics. Please write in again if that show doesn't cover your questions on the issue. (02:10)

Bradley reminisced about the crass “Brian and O'Brien” show on Baltimore's B-104 Gary Huddles who was notorious locally in Baltimore because he was implicated in Maryland's version of the 1980s Savings and Loan scandals. (03:30)
Karen mentioned that freedomdefined.org is the source for the Free Culture definition that defines what licenses are Free Culture licenses. (12:54)

Bradley suggested listening to some of the old versions of RMS' Copyright vs. Community in the Age of Computer Networks. In fact, there is an audio recording of the one at MIT on 19 April 2001 that Bradley attended, and an audio recording of the one that Bradley heard at Cardozo Law School. There is audio of the Q&A session, wherein RMS engages in that discussion Bradley mentioned with Free Culture activists. (10:10, 14:04)

Bradley mentioned that Linus Torvalds switched to GPL for Linux because he realized non-commercial restrictions weren't appropriate. (Search the string GPL on that link to find Linus' answer on that.) (19:00)

Karen mentioned that Creative Commons did a study considering what people understand commercial vs. non-commercial to mean. (20:43)

Karen and Bradley discussed the text of CC-By-NC. (23:00)

Karen mentioned various CC-By-SA licensed derivatives that had been made from Sita Sings the Blues. (38:24)

Bradley discussed the Harry Potter Lexicon case and Karen mentioned the so-called IP Colloquium discussion on it. (44:30)

Bradley mentioned Memory Alpha, which is a CC-By-NC wiki regarding Star Trek, which is tolerated by Paramount. (45:20)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x08: Strictly Commercial Feb 01, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss non-commercial-only commons licenses, particularly the CC-By-NC license, and how they compare to Free Culture and Free Software licenses, and why some authors pick NC licenses instead of Free Culture/Software ones.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:36)

Listeners seeking a show on how to select a Free Software license, differences between copyleft and non-copyleft, and how they interact with copyright are encouraged to listen to episode 0x08 of the old Software Freedom Law Show which covered these topics. Please write in again if that show doesn't cover your questions on the issue. (02:10)

Bradley reminisced about the crass “Brian and O'Brien” show on Baltimore's B-104 Gary Huddles who was notorious locally in Baltimore because he was implicated in Maryland's version of the 1980s Savings and Loan scandals. (03:30)
Karen mentioned that freedomdefined.org is the source for the Free Culture definition that defines what licenses are Free Culture licenses. (12:54)

Bradley suggested listening to some of the old versions of RMS' Copyright vs. Community in the Age of Computer Networks. In fact, there is an audio recording of the one at MIT on 19 April 2001 that Bradley attended, and an audio recording of the one that Bradley heard at Cardozo Law School. There is audio of the Q&A session, wherein RMS engages in that discussion Bradley mentioned with Free Culture activists. (10:10, 14:04)

Bradley mentioned that Linus Torvalds switched to GPL for Linux because he realized non-commercial restrictions weren't appropriate. (Search the string GPL on that link to find Linus' answer on that.) (19:00)

Karen mentioned that Creative Commons did a study considering what people understand commercial vs. non-commercial to mean. (20:43)

Karen and Bradley discussed the text of CC-By-NC. (23:00)

Karen mentioned various CC-By-SA licensed derivatives that had been made from Sita Sings the Blues. (38:24)

Bradley discussed the Harry Potter Lexicon case and Karen mentioned the so-called IP Colloquium discussion on it. (44:30)

Bradley mentioned Memory Alpha, which is a CC-By-NC wiki regarding Star Trek, which is tolerated by Paramount. (45:20)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x07: Revoked? Jan 18, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss a few corrections from previous shows, and then discuss misunderstandings about the GPL regarding “revocation” of the GPL.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:34)

Bradley issued a correction regarding FaiF 0x06. Christopher Allan Webber mentioned that FSF sometimes accepts copyright assignments in cases where the entire code base is not assigned. (02:40)

Karen issued a correction regarding FaiF 0x04 about women being hired to be at the party, but in fact that was not the case, despite being mentioned in this article.

Karen's paper on Medical Devices was linked to from a ZD Net UK blog. (05:48)

Bradley mentioned this Android bug regarding mis-sent SMS, which was widely covered in the press. Apparently the bug has been resolved upstream, somewhat disproving Bradley's point. (08:40)

Segment 1 (12:19)

Bradley is quoted in an article about revocation of the GPL (12:35).

The story was originally covered on slashdot. (13:17)

The WinMTR site now says: By popular request, WinMTR will be available under GPL v2. (19:50)

Karen mentioned the FSF's GPL FAQ. (29:27)

Bradley mentioned the four rationale documents. There's also one for AGPLv3 draft 2 and LGPLv3 draft 2. (30:13)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x07: Revoked? Jan 18, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss a few corrections from previous shows, and then discuss misunderstandings about the GPL regarding “revocation” of the GPL.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:34)

Bradley issued a correction regarding FaiF 0x06. Christopher Allan Webber mentioned that FSF sometimes accepts copyright assignments in cases where the entire code base is not assigned. (02:40)

Karen issued a correction regarding FaiF 0x04 about women being hired to be at the party, but in fact that was not the case, despite being mentioned in this article.

Karen's paper on Medical Devices was linked to from a ZD Net UK blog. (05:48)

Bradley mentioned this Android bug regarding mis-sent SMS, which was widely covered in the press. Apparently the bug has been resolved upstream, somewhat disproving Bradley's point. (08:40)

Segment 1 (12:19)

Bradley is quoted in an article about revocation of the GPL (12:35).

The story was originally covered on slashdot. (13:17)

The WinMTR site now says: By popular request, WinMTR will be available under GPL v2. (19:50)

Karen mentioned the FSF's GPL FAQ. (29:27)

Bradley mentioned the four rationale documents. There's also one for AGPLv3 draft 2 and LGPLv3 draft 2. (30:13)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x06: GRUB, Zulu Foxtrot Sierra Jan 04, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss the inclusion of ZFS GPLv2-or-later code inclusion into GNU GRUB.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:35)

Bradley and Karen discussed the inclusion of ZFS code now included in GRUB, as the GRUB Project announced and was covered at LWN by Jonathan Corbet.

It's not mandatory that GNU projects have assignment to the FSF. The GNU Maintainer's guide discuss the requirements when items are assigned to FSF. (14:40)

FSF requires that the entire codebase be assigned once GNU project maintainers choose to assign copyrights. Conservancy's policy on copyright assignment differs here; Conservancy will accept partial copyright assignment. (16:07)

Bradley mentioned the COBOL front end to GCC that is not in the main GCC codebase because it is not copyright assigned to FSF. (17:40)

Bradley and Karen discussed the Squeak relicensing last call. (25:49)

Bradley posted a comment to Corbet's article. (32:30)

Final (45:45)

The calendar Bradley was thinking of was the International Fixed Calendar, which Wikipedia confirms, with a sourced link, was used by the Eastman Kodak Company from 1928 to 1989.

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x06: GRUB, Zulu Foxtrot Sierra Jan 04, 2011
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss the inclusion of ZFS GPLv2-or-later code inclusion into GNU GRUB.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:35)

Bradley and Karen discussed the inclusion of ZFS code now included in GRUB, as the GRUB Project announced and was covered at LWN by Jonathan Corbet.

It's not mandatory that GNU projects have assignment to the FSF. The GNU Maintainer's guide discuss the requirements when items are assigned to FSF. (14:40)

FSF requires that the entire codebase be assigned once GNU project maintainers choose to assign copyrights. Conservancy's policy on copyright assignment differs here; Conservancy will accept partial copyright assignment. (16:07)

Bradley mentioned the COBOL front end to GCC that is not in the main GCC codebase because it is not copyright assigned to FSF. (17:40)

Bradley and Karen discussed the Squeak relicensing last call. (25:49)

Bradley posted a comment to Corbet's article. (32:30)

Final (45:45)

The calendar Bradley was thinking of was the International Fixed Calendar, which Wikipedia confirms, with a sourced link, was used by the Eastman Kodak Company from 1928 to 1989.

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x05: Inducing Fryers Dec 21, 2010
Show notes

Bradley and Karen welcome special co-presenter and guest, Aaron Williamson, to discuss the OpenBSD email regarding purported FBI backdoors. In the main segment, they discuss the amicus brief filed by SFLC (where Aaron and Karen work) in the Global-Tech Appliances v. SEB USA Supreme Court case.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:37)

Aaron brought up a message forwarded to the OpenBSD developers list by Theo de Raadt. This story has been covered widely online. (02:50)

Aaron mentioned that Glyn Moody wrote a blog post about what issues about “Open Source” security this raises. (04:06)

Bradley mentioned the gnuftp/Savannah site crack that occurred in 2003 and its security implications. Those seeking more information on this can read the slashdot coverage, Savannah forum posts, the CERT advisory and even the missing files still on the GNU FTP site. (05:21)

Bradley again mentioned Thompson's hack which he loves to mention when security issues come up (06:26).

Karen mentioned SFLC's medical devices paper, Killed by Code: Software Transparency in Implantable Medical Devices, which she loves to mention. (08:23)
Bradley mentioned the Debian/Ubuntu OpenSSL bug that occurred in mid-2008, which was widely discussed online. (10:18)

Bradley mentioned a case in 2000 where the FBI was able to open a mobster's PGP mail merely by getting his passphrase. (12:49)

Bradley offers an even-money bet that there are no FBI-inserted bugs in OpenBSD. (13:46)

Segment 1 (14:18)

The canonical page on Wikipedia for what Karen and Bradley are on FaiF says they are presenters, rather than hosts. (15:06)

Aaron and Karen's organization, the Software Freedom Law Center, announced that they filed an amicus brief in the Global-Tech Appliances v. SEB case. (16:30)

Despite the beliefs of a Jeopardy! contestant last month, “Maria” is Sonia Sotomayor's middle name. Antonin Scalia's middle name is “Gregory” (17:20)

Bradley again reviewed the issues of classical vs. church pronunciations. (19:20)

Bradley asked Aaron if what was being sold in this case was equivalent to the Cornballer as introduced on the television show, Arrested Development. (20:30)

Bradley mentioned that on FaiF 0x02, they discussed the issue of how higher courts consider issues of law more than the detailed facts of the case. (23:30)

RMS's speech, The Danger of Software Patents, is available as a transcript and audio (ogg) (35:22)

Aaron mentioned Newegg's brief, which is a reseller. (40:50)

Aaron mentioned the SCOTUS blog summary which included links to other amici briefs. (41:01)

Bradley referenced Don's staff answer to their boss, Don, in the Kids in the Hall movie, Brain Candy. (45:57)

Final (54:16)

Aaron, Karen and Bradley are discussing the alternative lyrics to the Stars and Stripes Forever. (54:20)

These show notes are Copyright © 2010, Karen Sandler and Bradley M. Kuhn of Free as in Freedom, and are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 3.0 Unported license (CC-By-SA-3.0 Unported).

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x05: Inducing Fryers Dec 21, 2010
Show notes

Bradley and Karen welcome special co-presenter and guest, Aaron Williamson, to discuss the OpenBSD email regarding purported FBI backdoors. In the main segment, they discuss the amicus brief filed by SFLC (where Aaron and Karen work) in the Global-Tech Appliances v. SEB USA Supreme Court case.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:37)

Aaron brought up a message forwarded to the OpenBSD developers list by Theo de Raadt. This story has been covered widely online. (02:50)

Aaron mentioned that Glyn Moody wrote a blog post about what issues about “Open Source” security this raises. (04:06)

Bradley mentioned the gnuftp/Savannah site crack that occurred in 2003 and its security implications. Those seeking more information on this can read the slashdot coverage, Savannah forum posts, the CERT advisory and even the missing files still on the GNU FTP site. (05:21)

Bradley again mentioned Thompson's hack which he loves to mention when security issues come up (06:26).

Karen mentioned SFLC's medical devices paper, Killed by Code: Software Transparency in Implantable Medical Devices, which she loves to mention. (08:23)
Bradley mentioned the Debian/Ubuntu OpenSSL bug that occurred in mid-2008, which was widely discussed online. (10:18)

Bradley mentioned a case in 2000 where the FBI was able to open a mobster's PGP mail merely by getting his passphrase. (12:49)

Bradley offers an even-money bet that there are no FBI-inserted bugs in OpenBSD. (13:46)

Segment 1 (14:18)

The canonical page on Wikipedia for what Karen and Bradley are on FaiF says they are presenters, rather than hosts. (15:06)

Aaron and Karen's organization, the Software Freedom Law Center, announced that they filed an amicus brief in the Global-Tech Appliances v. SEB case. (16:30)

Despite the beliefs of a Jeopardy! contestant last month, “Maria” is Sonia Sotomayor's middle name. Antonin Scalia's middle name is “Gregory” (17:20)

Bradley again reviewed the issues of classical vs. church pronunciations. (19:20)

Bradley asked Aaron if what was being sold in this case was equivalent to the Cornballer as introduced on the television show, Arrested Development. (20:30)

Bradley mentioned that on FaiF 0x02, they discussed the issue of how higher courts consider issues of law more than the detailed facts of the case. (23:30)

RMS's speech, The Danger of Software Patents, is available as a transcript and audio (ogg) (35:22)

Aaron mentioned Newegg's brief, which is a reseller. (40:50)

Aaron mentioned the SCOTUS blog summary which included links to other amici briefs. (41:01)

Bradley referenced Don's staff answer to their boss, Don, in the Kids in the Hall movie, Brain Candy. (45:57)

Final (54:16)

Aaron, Karen and Bradley are discussing the alternative lyrics to the Stars and Stripes Forever. (54:20)

These show notes are Copyright © 2010, Karen Sandler and Bradley M. Kuhn of Free as in Freedom, and are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 3.0 Unported license (CC-By-SA-3.0 Unported).

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x04: Conference Behavior and Novell Sale Dec 07, 2010
Show notes

In this episode of Free as in Freedom, Karen and Bradley discuss in the first segment recent press coverage of sexist attitudes at Free Software conferences, and in the second segment, discuss the public filings related to the Novell sale.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:40)

Karen and Bradley discuss an article called The Dark Side of Open Source Conference, which was covered some in the tech press, in press outside of technology. Deb Nicholson wrote a blog post about it, as did Valerie (the original article's author. (01:06)

Bradley mentioned his blog post where he discussed issues of gender equality across all Computer Science, not just the Free Software community. (05:29)

Karen mentioned Kirrily “Skud” Robert. (10:27)

Segment 1 (32:18)

There was an announcement that Novell will be sold (32:15)

Karen mentioned that Andy Updegrove blogged twice on the subject (32:30)

Karen talked about the 8K filing that Novell made regarding the purchase. (34:30)

Karen mentioned a post on groklaw. (42:43)

Bradley mentioned that the OIN patent license is incredibly narrow and not particularly useful, because the definition of the “Linux system“ is so narrow, and because OIN is a pro-patent, for-profit company that doesn't have the interest of Free Software at its heart. (45:30)

Karen disagrees with Bradley's comments on OIN and thinks his characterization of the patent pool is a serious exaggeration. (46:00)

These show notes are Copyright © 2010, Karen Sandler and Bradley M. Kuhn of Free as in Freedom, and are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 3.0 Unported license (CC-By-SA-3.0 Unported).

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x04: Conference Behavior and Novell Sale Dec 07, 2010
Show notes

In this episode of Free as in Freedom, Karen and Bradley discuss in the first segment recent press coverage of sexist attitudes at Free Software conferences, and in the second segment, discuss the public filings related to the Novell sale.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:40)

Karen and Bradley discuss an article called The Dark Side of Open Source Conference, which was covered some in the tech press, in press outside of technology. Deb Nicholson wrote a blog post about it, as did Valerie (the original article's author. (01:06)

Bradley mentioned his blog post where he discussed issues of gender equality across all Computer Science, not just the Free Software community. (05:29)

Karen mentioned Kirrily “Skud” Robert. (10:27)

Segment 1 (32:18)

There was an announcement that Novell will be sold (32:15)

Karen mentioned that Andy Updegrove blogged twice on the subject (32:30)

Karen talked about the 8K filing that Novell made regarding the purchase. (34:30)

Karen mentioned a post on groklaw. (42:43)

Bradley mentioned that the OIN patent license is incredibly narrow and not particularly useful, because the definition of the “Linux system“ is so narrow, and because OIN is a pro-patent, for-profit company that doesn't have the interest of Free Software at its heart. (45:30)

Karen disagrees with Bradley's comments on OIN and thinks his characterization of the patent pool is a serious exaggeration. (46:00)

These show notes are Copyright © 2010, Karen Sandler and Bradley M. Kuhn of Free as in Freedom, and are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 3.0 Unported license (CC-By-SA-3.0 Unported).

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x03: i Don't Store Nov 23, 2010
Show notes

Karen and Bradley discuss the debates regarding Apple's online store restrictions that make it impossible to distribute GPL'd software via Apple's store. Then, they discuss question the usefulness of the term “Open Core”

Note: Bradley's audio was too low compared to Karen's on this episode. We're still sorting out our recording issues, and apologize for this. This is completely Bradley's fault: don't blame Producer Dan. :)

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:34)

Karen mentioned first Brett's statement on the VLC mailing list, although that is toward the end of the story that was covered last month. (05:30)

Bradley mentioned that the story started with FSF's enforcement regarding Apple's distribution of GNU Go in Apple's application store. (05:54)

Don't confused GNU Go (the game) with Google Go (the programming language). Bradley pointed out that Google did assign some of its copyright on the language Go, for the GCC frontend for the Go language. (06:51)

Bradley mentioned that the game Go has been around thousands of years, although according the Go Wikipedia entry, it's been around for approximately 2,500 years. (08:21)

Bradley pointed out that the primary goal of GPL enforcement is to get compliance, not to get companies to cease distribution, but sometimes the companies prefer to cease distribution rather than complying with the license. (09:57)

There was disagreement in the VLC community about the enforcement action (11:50). There's an original thread on the VLC mailing list that discussed this (12:35), and then Brett's response on that list. (13:25)

GPLv2 requires in § 6 that you cannot impose terms that restrict the downstream more than GPL otherwise does. (15:40)

FSF made a statement that linked this issue to the DRM issue, which caused some confusion. It's our view that what Apple is doing against GPL software is part of their initiative to put DRM (both for software and more traditional content) onto devices. (17:20)

Bradley mentioned that Apple lawyers have a pathological hatred of GPL, which he believes comes directly down from Steve Jobs, who began his dislike of GPL when he tried, while at NeXT, to distribute a proprietary front-end for GCC for Objective-C. (RMS discussed the story briefly in his essay Copyleft: Pragmatic Idealism.) (23:45)

Segment 1 (27:40)

Bradley has decided that the term “Open Core” is so confusing that it's now useless.

The Gnus IMAP backend is being rewritten, and Joel Adamson mentioned that he's using Emacs development mainline and the new IMAP implementation is working well. (29:58)

Alexandre Oliva started a project called Linux Libre, to remove proprietary software from Linux. (31:31)

There is a file called WHENCE in Linux that is a long list of proprietary software included inside Linux. Fontana linked the WHENCE file on identi.ca (31:02)

Alexandre made an announcement calling Linux an “Open Core” project. (32:56)

Bradley mentioned that Alexandre appears to have been convinced that Open Core is a problematic term in this context (during this identica conversation). Alexandre seems to be favoring the term “Free Bait” now. (35:16)

Karen mentioned Nina Paley's intellectual pooperty cartoon. (38:39)

Bradley mentioned the softer side of Sears marketing campaign, which was used as a cruel joke by Cordelia in the pilot of Buffy the Vampire Slayer to make fun of Willow's clothes. Sears apparently dropped the campaign in 1999. (40:23)

Join us on #faif on freenode and the !FaiFCast group on identi.ca (43:47)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x03: i Don't Store Nov 23, 2010
Show notes

Karen and Bradley discuss the debates regarding Apple's online store restrictions that make it impossible to distribute GPL'd software via Apple's store. Then, they discuss question the usefulness of the term “Open Core”

Note: Bradley's audio was too low compared to Karen's on this episode. We're still sorting out our recording issues, and apologize for this. This is completely Bradley's fault: don't blame Producer Dan. :)

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:34)

Karen mentioned first Brett's statement on the VLC mailing list, although that is toward the end of the story that was covered last month. (05:30)

Bradley mentioned that the story started with FSF's enforcement regarding Apple's distribution of GNU Go in Apple's application store. (05:54)

Don't confused GNU Go (the game) with Google Go (the programming language). Bradley pointed out that Google did assign some of its copyright on the language Go, for the GCC frontend for the Go language. (06:51)

Bradley mentioned that the game Go has been around thousands of years, although according the Go Wikipedia entry, it's been around for approximately 2,500 years. (08:21)

Bradley pointed out that the primary goal of GPL enforcement is to get compliance, not to get companies to cease distribution, but sometimes the companies prefer to cease distribution rather than complying with the license. (09:57)

There was disagreement in the VLC community about the enforcement action (11:50). There's an original thread on the VLC mailing list that discussed this (12:35), and then Brett's response on that list. (13:25)

GPLv2 requires in § 6 that you cannot impose terms that restrict the downstream more than GPL otherwise does. (15:40)

FSF made a statement that linked this issue to the DRM issue, which caused some confusion. It's our view that what Apple is doing against GPL software is part of their initiative to put DRM (both for software and more traditional content) onto devices. (17:20)

Bradley mentioned that Apple lawyers have a pathological hatred of GPL, which he believes comes directly down from Steve Jobs, who began his dislike of GPL when he tried, while at NeXT, to distribute a proprietary front-end for GCC for Objective-C. (RMS discussed the story briefly in his essay Copyleft: Pragmatic Idealism.) (23:45)

Segment 1 (27:40)

Bradley has decided that the term “Open Core” is so confusing that it's now useless.

The Gnus IMAP backend is being rewritten, and Joel Adamson mentioned that he's using Emacs development mainline and the new IMAP implementation is working well. (29:58)

Alexandre Oliva started a project called Linux Libre, to remove proprietary software from Linux. (31:31)

There is a file called WHENCE in Linux that is a long list of proprietary software included inside Linux. Fontana linked the WHENCE file on identi.ca (31:02)

Alexandre made an announcement calling Linux an “Open Core” project. (32:56)

Bradley mentioned that Alexandre appears to have been convinced that Open Core is a problematic term in this context (during this identica conversation). Alexandre seems to be favoring the term “Free Bait” now. (35:16)

Karen mentioned Nina Paley's intellectual pooperty cartoon. (38:39)

Bradley mentioned the softer side of Sears marketing campaign, which was used as a cruel joke by Cordelia in the pilot of Buffy the Vampire Slayer to make fun of Willow's clothes. Sears apparently dropped the campaign in 1999. (40:23)

Join us on #faif on freenode and the !FaiFCast group on identi.ca (43:47)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x02: The Needs of the Few Nov 09, 2010
Show notes

Karen and Bradley discuss Stormy Peters' departure from the GNOME Foundation, an issue of deep confusion regarding copyright licensing, and references to Spock in a recent court decision.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:35)

Bradley confirmed the entire show is licensed CC-By-SA 3.0. (02:30)

Stormy Peters is leaving the position of GNOME Foundation's Executive Director. (04:10)

The GNOME Advisory Board is a group of for-profit and non-profit organizations that meet regularly to give advice to GNOME Foundation. (04:34)

Stormy is going to a job at the Mozilla Foundation. (09:10)

You don't have to be a developer to become a member of the GNOME Foundation. (09:57)

Bradley mentioned that he did an FSF booth at COMDEX Chicago in early 2001 (which Bradley incorrectly called CES Chicago in the recording). (12:20)

Segment 1 (15:43)

A LiveJournal post introduced an interesting issue of copyright confusion. (16:30)

Karen mentioned there was discussion in other fora other than the original LiveJournal post, such as on the NY Frunch (Free Culture Lunch) mailing list and, since then, on NPR. (17:24)

Bradley mentioned Fanzines, wondering if there are still fanzines. (18:57)

Karen pointed out that both copyright infringement and plagiarism were at issue here. (20:25)

Bradley is quite upset about the idea that people confuse public domain with FaiF licensing or any other actual license terms. (21:00)

Karen notes that if you don't see a license, you have to assume it's all rights reserved. (23:10)

Bradley described a Slashdot story that linked to a Techdirt article. (30:29)

A footnote in the concurrence is what mentions Star Trek (33:03) .

Bradley mentioned a mediocre novel he read in the 1990s called Brain Storm by Richard Dooling. (33:26)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x02: The Needs of the Few Nov 09, 2010
Show notes

Karen and Bradley discuss Stormy Peters' departure from the GNOME Foundation, an issue of deep confusion regarding copyright licensing, and references to Spock in a recent court decision.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:35)

Bradley confirmed the entire show is licensed CC-By-SA 3.0. (02:30)

Stormy Peters is leaving the position of GNOME Foundation's Executive Director. (04:10)

The GNOME Advisory Board is a group of for-profit and non-profit organizations that meet regularly to give advice to GNOME Foundation. (04:34)

Stormy is going to a job at the Mozilla Foundation. (09:10)

You don't have to be a developer to become a member of the GNOME Foundation. (09:57)

Bradley mentioned that he did an FSF booth at COMDEX Chicago in early 2001 (which Bradley incorrectly called CES Chicago in the recording). (12:20)

Segment 1 (15:43)

A LiveJournal post introduced an interesting issue of copyright confusion. (16:30)

Karen mentioned there was discussion in other fora other than the original LiveJournal post, such as on the NY Frunch (Free Culture Lunch) mailing list and, since then, on NPR. (17:24)

Bradley mentioned Fanzines, wondering if there are still fanzines. (18:57)

Karen pointed out that both copyright infringement and plagiarism were at issue here. (20:25)

Bradley is quite upset about the idea that people confuse public domain with FaiF licensing or any other actual license terms. (21:00)

Karen notes that if you don't see a license, you have to assume it's all rights reserved. (23:10)

Bradley described a Slashdot story that linked to a Techdirt article. (30:29)

A footnote in the concurrence is what mentions Star Trek (33:03) .

Bradley mentioned a mediocre novel he read in the 1990s called Brain Storm by Richard Dooling. (33:26)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x01: Free of Annoying Buzz Oct 29, 2010
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss the new license of their show, multi-platform Free Software projects and conferences Bradley attended this month.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:32)

All recordings for the first 0x01 attempt had an annoying audio buzz. (01:18)

The Free as in Freedom oggcast is now licensed CC-By-SA 3.0 Unported (03:10)

Karl Fogel is Executive Director of Question Copyright. (03:35)

Karen mentioned the Free Culture definition. (08:22)

Larry Lessig presented to an FSF Members Meeting using Mac. (09:22)

Bradley and Karen argued about whether or not OpenOffice.org and/or Firefox run better on non-GNU/Linux systems than on GNU/Linux. (18:00)

Bradley and Karen argued about whether or not otherwise proprietary company control of Free Software causes problems by default. (21:10)

Segment 1 (27:00)

Lara Moy got Ubuntu running on her Mac hardware. (27:30)

Bradley attended the jQuery Conference Boston 2010 (28:30)

Bradley was at the Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit. (36:26)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x01: Free of Annoying Buzz Oct 29, 2010
Show notes

Bradley and Karen discuss the new license of their show, multi-platform Free Software projects and conferences Bradley attended this month.

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:32)

All recordings for the first 0x01 attempt had an annoying audio buzz. (01:18)

The Free as in Freedom oggcast is now licensed CC-By-SA 3.0 Unported (03:10)

Karl Fogel is Executive Director of Question Copyright. (03:35)

Karen mentioned the Free Culture definition. (08:22)

Larry Lessig presented to an FSF Members Meeting using Mac. (09:22)

Bradley and Karen argued about whether or not OpenOffice.org and/or Firefox run better on non-GNU/Linux systems than on GNU/Linux. (18:00)

Bradley and Karen argued about whether or not otherwise proprietary company control of Free Software causes problems by default. (21:10)

Segment 1 (27:00)

Lara Moy got Ubuntu running on her Mac hardware. (27:30)

Bradley attended the jQuery Conference Boston 2010 (28:30)

Bradley was at the Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit. (36:26)

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in Ogg/Vorbis
format] — Episode 0x00: Goodbye and Ahoy Hoy Oct 06, 2010
Show notes

Bradley and Karen announced that the Software Freedom Law Show is over. Karen and Bradley announced a new show, called Free as in Freedom, that will not be affiliated with any specific organization (although Bradley and Karen keep all their various affiliations themselves. :).

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:28)

Bradley mentioned OsamaK is not happy at Bradley and Karen for not having a new oggcast for a month. (00:45)

Bradley no long works at the Software Freedom Law Center. He now works full time at the Software Freedom Conservancy. (02:00)

Bradley thinks everything related to FLOSS should be called “Software Freedom”. (03:10)

Karen and Bradley mention that many people in the software freedom world are involved in multiple organizations. (04:00)

Karen is an officer and lawyer to Software Freedom Conservancy. (04:30)

Conservancy provides non-profit infrastructure and services. (05:10)

Conservancy helps software freedom projects focus on development, and aggregate projects into one place. (06:20)

Conservancy will be expanding its service plan now that Bradley is full time. (06:46)

Conservancy will try do copyright assignment in a community-focused way, only if the developers want it. Conservancy will also do more GPL enforcement than previously. (07:20)

Bradley mentioned that Matthew Garrett has been doing some GPL enforcement, and Bradley thanked him for it publicly. (07:50)

Karen thinks we'll see more enforcement over time, by more people. (08:14)

Bradley wants to help Conservancy's member projects do more fundraising for initiatives to fund software development activity. (08:40)

Bradley mentioned that Matt Mackall is doing Mercurial development funded through Conservancy. (09:20)

As of earlier this year, Bradley is a volunteer director of the FSF, and now has additional volunteer work that he needs to do, while Conservancy (his former volunteer work) becomes his day job. (11:09)

Bradley mentions that once you start doing something in the software freedom world, it's hard to stop once people start to rely on your work. (12:30)

Conservancy handles a lot of “boring” but essential stuff for developers to continue in their project. (14:20)

Bradley mentioned that his early volunteer work at FSF was also doing the boring stuff, and indeed a lot of his work has been willing to do the boring stuff (15:30)

Karen mentions that no one fights over the work that just needs to get done. (16:30)

Bradley discussed the fact that for-profit corporate control of projects is dangerous, and one of the things Conservancy and similar non-profits offers is an opportunity to have a non-profit with the public interest at heart in the center of their community. (17:39)

Bradley mentioned the LibreOffice by the Document Foundation (18:03)

Karen points out that for-profit and non-profit go hand-in-hand. But, Bradley argues that steward of a FLOSS project should always be an NGO. Karen agrees. (19:00-19:30)

Bradley doesn't really believe that there are projects that would “never happen” without a for-profit company starting it. Karen disagrees.

The Software Freedom Law Show is over This is the last episode of the Software Freedom Law Show. (21:10)

Karen will make sure that the SFLC RSS feeds remain valid. Bradley points out that there are new RSS feeds for both the mp3 version and the ogg version of the new show, Free as in Freedom (21:33, 22:41)

The new show is basically just the Karen and Bradley show, now named Free as in Freedom, hosted on faif.us. (23:43)

Bradley mentioned that everywhere he's ever worked, he always had root on most of the boxes. He doesn't know what it's like to work somewhere and not have root. (27:50)

Karen got in trouble at her first law firm job for installing software on computers. (28:21)

Dan Scott sent a gift to Bradley and Karen Soap with 20-Ds in them.

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

[Direct download of cast in MP3 format] — Episode 0x00: Goodbye and Ahoy Hoy Oct 06, 2010
Show notes

Bradley and Karen announced that the Software Freedom Law Show is over. Karen and Bradley announced a new show, called Free as in Freedom, that will not be affiliated with any specific organization (although Bradley and Karen keep all their various affiliations themselves. :).

Show Notes:

Segment 0 (00:28)

Bradley mentioned OsamaK is not happy at Bradley and Karen for not having a new oggcast for a month. (00:45)

Bradley no long works at the Software Freedom Law Center. He now works full time at the Software Freedom Conservancy. (02:00)

Bradley thinks everything related to FLOSS should be called “Software Freedom”. (03:10)

Karen and Bradley mention that many people in the software freedom world are involved in multiple organizations. (04:00)

Karen is an officer and lawyer to Software Freedom Conservancy. (04:30)

Conservancy provides non-profit infrastructure and services. (05:10)

Conservancy helps software freedom projects focus on development, and aggregate projects into one place. (06:20)

Conservancy will be expanding its service plan now that Bradley is full time. (06:46)

Conservancy will try do copyright assignment in a community-focused way, only if the developers want it. Conservancy will also do more GPL enforcement than previously. (07:20)

Bradley mentioned that Matthew Garrett has been doing some GPL enforcement, and Bradley thanked him for it publicly. (07:50)

Karen thinks we'll see more enforcement over time, by more people. (08:14)

Bradley wants to help Conservancy's member projects do more fundraising for initiatives to fund software development activity. (08:40)

Bradley mentioned that Matt Mackall is doing Mercurial development funded through Conservancy. (09:20)

As of earlier this year, Bradley is a volunteer director of the FSF, and now has additional volunteer work that he needs to do, while Conservancy (his former volunteer work) becomes his day job. (11:09)

Bradley mentions that once you start doing something in the software freedom world, it's hard to stop once people start to rely on your work. (12:30)

Conservancy handles a lot of “boring” but essential stuff for developers to continue in their project. (14:20)

Bradley mentioned that his early volunteer work at FSF was also doing the boring stuff, and indeed a lot of his work has been willing to do the boring stuff (15:30)

Karen mentions that no one fights over the work that just needs to get done. (16:30)

Bradley discussed the fact that for-profit corporate control of projects is dangerous, and one of the things Conservancy and similar non-profits offers is an opportunity to have a non-profit with the public interest at heart in the center of their community. (17:39)

Bradley mentioned the LibreOffice by the Document Foundation (18:03)

Karen points out that for-profit and non-profit go hand-in-hand. But, Bradley argues that steward of a FLOSS project should always be an NGO. Karen agrees. (19:00-19:30)

Bradley doesn't really believe that there are projects that would “never happen” without a for-profit company starting it. Karen disagrees.

The Software Freedom Law Show is over This is the last episode of the Software Freedom Law Show. (21:10)

Karen will make sure that the SFLC RSS feeds remain valid. Bradley points out that there are new RSS feeds for both the mp3 version and the ogg version of the new show, Free as in Freedom (21:33, 22:41)

The new show is basically just the Karen and Bradley show, now named Free as in Freedom, hosted on faif.us. (23:43)

Bradley mentioned that everywhere he's ever worked, he always had root on most of the boxes. He doesn't know what it's like to work somewhere and not have root. (27:50)

Karen got in trouble at her first law firm job for installing software on computers. (28:21)

Dan Scott sent a gift to Bradley and Karen Soap with 20-Ds in them.

Send feedback and comments on the cast to <oggcast@faif.us>. You can keep in touch with Free as in Freedom on our IRC channel, #faif on irc.freenode.net, and by following Conservancy on identi.ca and and Twitter.

Free as in Freedom is produced by Dan Lynch of danlynch.org. Theme music written and performed by Mike Tarantino with Charlie Paxson on drums.

The content of this audcast, and the accompanying show notes and music are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike 4.0 license (CC BY-SA 4.0).

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