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In this podcast, Jamil Ellis talks with his father, retired Federal Magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis, about the historical role of law in shaping the societal structures which act as barriers to attaining the American dream. They discuss why “legal” is not a synonym for “moral” and why law, a prime actor in creating the problems, can and should be a part of the solution. Join them as they talk about wealth, voting, education, criminal justice and other topics which divide the nation.

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Latest Episodes:

Technology and Justice: Medicine and algorithms Apr 23, 2021

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Photo by Obi - @pixel6propix on Unsplash

In this episode, the hosts discuss the nation's history of medical experimentation, false beliefs about racial differences, and racial disparities in health care which have negatively impacted Black communities and led to significant gaps in life outcomes. Incorporating algorithms into the equation would insure that past inequalities persist into our future.

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Harriet Washington video interview about Medical Apartheid on Olbios https://olbios.org/medical-apartheid/

2003 NYT Article re Sims https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/28/health/scholars-argue-over-legacy-of-surgeon-who-was-lionized-then-vilified.html

Sims Statue being removed from Central Park https://time.com/5243443/nyc-statue-marion-sims/

2017 WAPO Article re birth control pill https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/05/09/guinea-pigs-or-pioneers-how-puerto-rican-women-were-used-to-test-the-birth-control-pill/

2019 History.com article on birth control pill https://www.history.com/news/birth-control-pill-history-puerto-rico-enovid

2016 TIME article about Margaret Sanger, race, and eugenics https://time.com/4081760/margaret-sanger-history-eugenics/

2016 paper on racial bias in pain assessment https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/16/4296.full.pdf

Letter from NY Department of Health to UHGI re Optum Algorithm https://dfs.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2019/10/20191025160637.pdf

NY Times Opinion on Maragret Sanger https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/opinion/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

NFL's Concussion Settlement Will Look at Racial Bias in Payouts - The New York Times (nytimes.com) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/09/sports/football/nfl-concussions-settlement-race.html

Doctors and Stereo types https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/too-many-doctors-still-believe-dangerous-racial-stereotypes.html

Technology and Justice: Algorithmic Dangers in Facial Recognition, Jobs, and Education Apr 07, 2021

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Photo by Markus Spiske on Unsplash

In this episode, the hosts continue their discussion on the pitfalls at the intersection of technology and justice, including the use of facial recognition software which doesn't recognize Black faces and the story of a teacher lauded by human observers but targeted for termination by a still undisclosed algorithm.

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Algorithmic Justice League https://www.ajl.org/

Coded Bias (Available for free until 4/21) - https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/videos/coded-bias-full-film/

Amazon identifies lawmakers as criminals - https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/amazons-face-recognition-falsely-matched-28

Facial recognition accuracy by race, sex, and age https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/01/25/amazon-facial-identification-software-used-by-police-falls-short-tests-accuracy-bias-new-research-finds/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/12/19/federal-study-confirms-racial-bias-many-facial-recognition-systems-casts-doubt-their-expanding-use/

Clearview AI - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/technology/clearview-privacy-facial-recognition.html

Virginia bill on Facial recognition - https://trackbill.com/bill/virginia-house-bill-2031-facial-recognition-technology-authorization-of-use-by-local-law-enforcement-agencies-etc/2024427/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/virginia-lawmakers-ban-police-facial-recognition-76753765

Amazon Algo eliminates all women from job search https://slate.com/business/2018/10/amazon-artificial-intelligence-hiring-discrimination-women.html

Houston school district case https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/houston-district-settles-lawsuit-with-teachers-union-over-value-added-scores/2017/10

Technology and Justice - Embedding our past in our future Mar 28, 2021

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In this episode, the hosts begin the discussion on the increasing use of mathematical algorithms to crunch Big Data to predict future outcomes. This data, however, includes societal biases and embed our flawed past into our future lives. Today: Criminal Justice and the self-fulfilling prophecy of who is a risk to society.

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Pro Publica Article on Risk Assessment of arrestees

https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing

Interview of Jack Maple I Government Technology about COMSTAT

https://www.govtech.com/magazines/gt/Jack-Maple-Betting-on-Intelligence.html

Times article about Newark's problem with racial profiling

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/27/us/politics/cory-booker-2020-criminal-justice.html

Justice Tech Download (Great Newsletter)

https://www.justicetech.download/

Coded Bias

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/videos/coded-bias-full-film/

Weapons of math destruction by Cathy O'Neil

For the People Act of 2021 Mar 09, 2021

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode, the hosts discuss the HR 1: For the People Act of 2021 and its provisions to make voting safe , simple, and secure for all citizens. At the same time, efforts in more than forty states to place even more roadblocks on exercising the franchise highlight the need for Congressional action.

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https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/

The role of our government representatives Feb 27, 2021

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In this episode, the hosts discuss philosophies about the interplay of loyalty to "constituents" and the role of conscience for elected officials. In the context of impeachment, they ask whether senators appropriately followed their oaths both as senators and as impeachment jurors to support and defend the Constitution – and the Nation.

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Brandenburd v. Ohio

History of Senatorial Oath

Oath of federal employees

Duty imposed by impeachment oath

https://takecareblog.com/blog/impeachment-trials-and-the-senator-s-oath-of-impartial-justice

OTHER EPISODES OF INTEREST

The Capital riot and social justice protests Feb 10, 2021

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In this episode, the hosts discuss the stark contrast between the preparation for the Black Lives Matter protest in June 2020 and that for the Insurrection on January 6, 2021. This difference has its historical roots in unfounded racial fears about Black anger and demands for equal justice. Challenges to the presumed social order are cause for alarm and justification for forceful response.

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Check out BlackHistoryChatGPT Protest Law Tracker https://www.icnl.org/usprotestlawtracker/ FBI Covert Action to Destroy Black Panther Party https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=479831 Southern Congress members object to object to prospect of civil rights act in 1960 https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-CRECB-1960-pt10/pdf/GPO-CRECB-1960-pt10-2.pdf Proud Boys and Black Lives Matter activists clashed in a Florida suburb. Only one side was charged. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/florida-protest-bill-unequal-treatment/2021/02/01/415d1b02-6240-11eb-9061-07abcc1f9229_story.html

Short coversation on COVID relief legislation Feb 06, 2021

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EPISODE SUMMARY

A short discussion on debate around upcoming COVID release bill

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https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/news/2019/06/20/471209/1-9-trillion/ https://ellisconversations.tumblr.com/post/629606248894038016/the-tyranny-of-compromise

Be sure to check out the previouse full episode on the Tyranny of Compromise where the hosts discuss how parties misuse power to pervert the mechanism of compromise. Rather than reaching a result that is in the best interests of the persons affected, one side chooses to capitulate to unreasonable or immoral demands. The true tragedy of Congress is not simply that it often fails to act but that, when it does, principles are sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.

Reaction to Biden's executive orders Jan 28, 2021

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Retired Federal Magistrate Judge the Honorable Ronald Ellis on President Biden's executive orders this week. Tune into Ellis Conversations to hear more conversation on the intersection of law, history, and race. Next episode we tackle the capital riots and their historical context with other flash points in history.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsCJcCSzu0I

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-to-sign-executive-actions-on-equity/2021/01/26/3ffbcff6-5f8e-11eb-9430-e7c77b5b0297_story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/business/biden-private-prisons-justice-department.html

John Lewis Voting Rights Act - It's time for action Jan 23, 2021

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Photo Credit: Getty Images

There is no Negro problem. There is no Southern problem. There is no Northern problem. There is only an American problem. And we're here tonight, as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans were met here as Americans to solve that problem. -Lyndon B. Johnson

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode, the hosts discuss the imperative to move quickly on the proposed John Lewis Voting Rights Act. Those dedicated to limiting the number of eligible voters and devising obstacles to voting have historically found effective ways to press their agenda whenever legal restraints are not in place.

A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE

We need to push our representatives to pass voting rights legislation at the national level. At a local level, we must vote for candidates that push to protect and expand voting rights. (0:21)
The significant changes to voting rights in 2011. (20:45)
Weighing the pros and cons of voter IDs and the last minute changes that happen in elections (26:36)

Report by Leadership Conference Education Fund on Polling place closures. Report of Committee on House Administration, Subcommittee on Elections, about justification and scope of 2019 bill passed by House. "Hours after Shelby County, Texas revived a previously blocked voter ID law. Within days, Alabama announced it would move to enforce a photo ID law it had previously refused to submit to the Department of Justice for preclearance." https://cha.house.gov/sites/democrats.cha.house.gov/files/documents/Voting%20Rights%20and%20Election%20Administration%20in%20America_ONLINE_11-18-2019.pdf Lyndon address to joint session of Congress re 1965 VRA following "Bloody Sunday." Includes video of address plus text. One of Johnson's finest moments. "So it was at Lexington and Concord. So it was a century ago at Appomattox. So it was last week in Selma, Alabama." NY Times article re extension of VRA July 2006. "Despite the progress these states have made in upholding the right to vote, it is clear the problems still exist," said Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois. "South Carolinians, you have come a long way," said Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican from that state, which is among those covered by the law. "But we, just like every other part of this country, still have a long way to go."

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OTHER EPISODES OF INTEREST

The Voting Rights Act

Voting Rights Before the VRA

A New Hope: The Search for Truth and Domestic Tranquility Dec 12, 2020

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode, the hosts discuss the divergent realities that challenge the Biden administration. Alternate "facts" and false equivalents create a toxic atmosphere of "us versus them" which imperils any attempt to find common ground. The process of change requires an embrace of a more selfless approach and a rejection of transactional analyses which focus on personal gain.

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https://apnews.com/article/62652c2d9fd24145b5a1ff82b1c26036

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/935734198/trump-hasnt-conceded-georgia-neither-did-stacey-abrams-what-changed

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