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    ellisconversations’s podcast

    In this podcast, Jamil Ellis talks with his father, retired Federal Magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis, about the historical role of law in shaping the societal structures which act as barriers to attaining the American dream. They discuss why “legal” is not a synonym for “moral” and why law, a prime actor in creating the problems, can and should be a part of the solution. Join them as they talk about wealth, voting, education, criminal justice and other topics which divide the nation.

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    Whose Constitution Is It, Anyway?: Originalism vs. The Living Constitution Dec 17, 2022
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    Photo by Anthony Garand on Unsplash

    EPISODE SUMMARY

    In this episode, the hosts discuss the Supreme Court's upcoming decisions on the Constitutionality of Affirmative Action and the power of state legislatures to draw Congressional district lines without judicial review. Originalists say let's figure out what the words used in the Constitution meant at the time. Proponents of a Living Constitution say let's figure out what makes sense today.

    A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE

    • What it means to be an originalist vs. a texualist
    • All about independent state legislature theory before the Supreme Court, its texualist roots, and its potential damage to our democracy
    • Affirmative action will likely end as we know it in 2023 at the hands of the real activist judges

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    INDEPENDENT STATE LEGISLATURE CASE

    Bipartisan Policy Center

    "Independent State Legislature Theory Undermines Elections Principles."

    https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/independent-state-legislature-theory/

    SCOTUSblog.com

    "Court seems unwilling to embrace broad version of "independent state legislature" theory."

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/12/court-seems-unwilling-to-embrace-broad-version-of-independent-state-legislature-theory/

    NPR

    "Supreme Court to hear controversial election-law case."

    https://www.npr.org/2022/12/07/1140465909/supreme-court-independent-state-legislature-theory

    AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASES

    NPR

    "Can race play a role in college admissions? The Supreme Court hears the arguments."

    https://www.npr.org/2022/10/31/1131789230/supreme-court-affirmative-action-harvard-unc

    SCOTUSblog.com

    "In cases challenging affirmative action, court will confront wide-ranging arguments on history, diversity, and the role of race in America."

    Thomas Jefferson on whether the American Constitution is binding on those who were not born at the time it was signed and agreed to (1789)

    https://oll.libertyfund.org/quote/thomas-jefferson-on-whether-the-american-constitution-is-binding-on-those-who-were-not-born-at-the-time-it-was-signed-and-agreed-to-1789

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    Affirmative Action: How We Got To Now


    Inflation Reduction Act of 2022; A new hope for Black communities that have been divided, deprived, and denied opportunities to accumulate wealth Sep 05, 2022
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    EPISODE SUMMARY

    The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022: A new hope for Black communities that have been divided, deprived, and denied opportunities to accumulate wealth.

    In this episode, the hosts discuss various policies and practices which have adversely affected Black communities and hindered the ability to build wealth. Also in the podcast are reasons why provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 can help begin the process of repairing some of the damage by fostering a community-based approach to environmental issues. Finally, Jamil tells the audience about the new company he founded with his brother, Jelani, Unified Ground.

    A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE

    • Historically, wealth has systematically been removed from black communities.
    • Often that wealth was removed in ways that left communities in less desirable land leading to climate change disproportionately affecting people of color.
    • It's a great time to form partnerships that have the same goal of saving the planet and hopefully The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 will be a big step for focusing on that goal.
    • Unified Ground's goal is to enable these partnerships. Its mission is to build technology to connect existing organizations and businesses to Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) investments, with the goal to reduce the income and wealth gap and lift up communities of color.

    MORE ABOUT UNIFIED GROUND

    Vision

    Our vision is to close the income and wealth gap in vulnerable communities because a sustainable planet is not possible without an equitable society.

    Climate change disproportionately affects vulnerable, low-income as well as Black, Latino, and Indigenous communities. We believe that strengthening the resource networks of these communities is an integral part of creating a sustainable planet. If communities can hold onto more resources, they will better address current climate emergencies and make sustainable choices.

    Mission

    We are building the technology to connect existing networks of community organizations and businesses to Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) investments,

    with the goal to reduce the income and wealth gap and lift up communities of color.

    Problem

    Demand for ESG investments, already a rapidly growing requirement for business, will increase as the markets make it a requirement for publicly traded companies. Social Impact funds have a continual need to find verifiably impactful community-based investments. Some states and municipalities across the US have aggressive goals to reduce carbon emissions. We can only achieve these goals with successful investments in vulnerable communities and communities of color. Historically, these customers have had trouble engaging successfully with communities and local vendors.

    Why The Time is Now

    1. Climate Disasters are upon us - We are in the midst of another record season of fires, flood, drought, and hurricanes in the US.
    2. Climate Impact will be a business requirement - The 2022 IRA represents landmark climate legislation in the US. The SEC will have public companies report on their environmental impact starting with 2023. In addition to 2022 IRA, many states and cities are moving forward with aggressive climate policies
    3. Business Stakeholders are putting the pressure on - Corporate boards and internal stakeholders are demanding goals and verifiable impact results. Employees want to know their companies are not just committed to their climate and community impact goals, but making them a reality.

    Solution

    Unified Ground provides the services and technology platform to connect Environmental, Social, and Government investors with a network of community-based vendors and climate justice organizations. The 2022 Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) will be a catalyst for Climate Technology and Environmental Justice.

    For more on Unified Ground check out our website

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    Separate but Unequal

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    Loving vs Virginia


    From Loving vs Virginia to Roe vs Wade: Who gets to decide which rights get protected for Americans Jun 11, 2022
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    Photo Credit: NYTimes.com

    EPISODE SUMMARY

    In this episode, the hosts discuss how the Loving v. Virginia decision barred States from prohibiting marriages because of the race of the participants, and the historical problem of "letting the States decide" the reach of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Highlighting the sectional differences and views on issues such as race and gender, they point out that the results are predictable and that it is reasonable to infer intent to thwart consensus. Beginning with the Founding Fathers, and the racial compromises in the Constitution, the podcast outlines the continuing role of race in compromises leading up to the Civil War and beyond. There are those who have suggested that the issues in Roe v. Wade should have been left to the States and sending it back to the States would be a good idea. Given the hyper-partisanship in politics today, the hosts question the reasonableness of this belief. Compromise is only effective when both sides literally have a compromise position.

    A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE

    • The conflict between the concept of originalism and equal protection. (7:49)
    • We need to consider the real world as it exists now, when we compare the concept of originalism with the concept of a living constitution. (30:01)
    • If you aspire to greatness, you have to look forward and not be mired in the past. Loving vs Viriginia teaches us that we can have a brighter future if we allow everyone to be treated equally, and not be dragged down by this notion that there are lesser groups in the body politic. (37:20)

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    Loving Decision in Supreme Court

    Loving Decision in Virginia High Court

    Jefferson on Amending the Constitution and reverence to the Founders

    "Bleeding Kansas" at History.com

    19th Amendment and State Resistance at History.com

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    John Lewis Voting Rights Act

    Voting Rights - Shelby to North Carolina to 2020


    Brown vs. Board of Ed Anniversary May 16, 2022
    Show notes

    Photo credit: AP Images for Britannica.com

    EPISODE SUMMARY

    In this episode, we're going to focus on one of the most talked about cases in Supreme Court history. On May 17 1954, in a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court held in Brown versus Board of Education, that in the field of public education, the doctrine of separate but equal had no place, and that separate educational facilities were inherently unequal.

    A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE

    • In terms of what it meant to the health of the nation, Brown versus Board of Education was the most significant case in the history of the Supreme Court.
    • Part of what's in the DNA of this country is aspirational. And what Brown did was having a goal of providing equality. It's certainly true that we have fallen short in some of the things that we profess as a nation.
    • The difference between where we want to be and where we are, is the engine that drives change.

    Judge Ellis read excerpts from the Appendix to the Congressional Globe, described here from https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwcg.html

    "The Globe, as it is usually called, contains the congressional debates of the 23rd through 42nd Congresses (1833-73). There are forty-six volumes in the series based on the table found in the Third Edition of Checklist of United States Public Documents 1789-1909, Volume 1B (pp. 1466-69).

    The Globe is the third of the four series of publications containing the debates of Congress. It was preceded by the Annals of Congress and the Register of Debates and succeeded by the Congressional Record. The first five volumes of the Globe (23rd Congress, 1st Session through 25th Congress, 1st Session, 1833-37) overlap with the Register of Debates. Initially the Globe contained a "condensed report" or abstract rather than a verbatim report of the debates and proceedings. With the 32nd Congress (1851), however, the Globe began to provide something approaching verbatim transcription.

    The contents of the appendix of each volume vary from Congress to Congress, but appendixes typically contain presidential messages, reports of the heads of departments and cabinet officers, texts of laws, and appropriations. Speeches not indexed or referenced on the pages reprinting the debates appear in the appendix as well."

    More specifically, I read from the 33rd Congress, Second Session.[1855]

    The first page of the Appendix is https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc30790/m1/1/?q=thirty-third

    From the entry page you can jump to specific pages, and I read from page 234, Tennessee Senator

    https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc30790/m1/248/?q=thirty-third

    And page 236, Indiana Senator

    https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc30790/m1/250/?q=thirty-third

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    Information from Legal Defense Fund

    Information from History.com

    Information from Britannica Encyclopedia

    Information from PBS.org

    Information from US Courts

    Information from The New Yorker, May 3, 2004 Did Brown Matter?

    Appendix to the Congressional Globe, described here from https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwcg.html

    The first page of the Appendix is https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc30790/m1/1/?q=thirty-third

    Tennessee Senator https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc30790/m1/248/?q=thirty-third

    Indiana Senator https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc30790/m1/250/?q=thirty-third

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    Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson

    Gifted and Talented Programs, So Many Children Left Behind


    Qualified: Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, JCrew, and Jim Crow: Mind Your Place Mar 23, 2022
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    Photo above by Greg Nash, TheHill.com

    In this episode, the hosts discuss the unusual things said in opposition to Judge Jackson's appointment to the Supreme Court and how it fits a historical pattern of marginalizing Black women and downplaying their accomplishments to foster notions of inferiority.

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    Affirmative Action: How We Got To Now Mar 05, 2022
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    EPISODE SUMMARY

    In this episode, the hosts discuss the origins of Affirmative Action and the conditions and attitudes which compelled governmental and private institutions to take steps to combat lack of progress in dismantling segregation in American life.

    A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE

    • There is a lot of misunderstanding around the history of Affirmative Action and a lot of resistance around it
    • Whether it's in education (we discuss the recent happenings at Harvard), housing, jobs, or getting data, people define discrimination and affirmative action differently, also for other groups such as women, Jewish people etc.
    • Taking a closer look at the lines of segregation in certain cities and states

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    The Color of Law Book

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    Brown vs. Board of Education Anniversary


    Gifted and Talented Programs: So many children left behind Nov 03, 2021
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    Photo Credit: Zach Vessels

    In this episode, the hosts discuss the gifted and talented program, specialized schools, and charter schools in the NYC school system, and how they undermine - perhaps by design - the ability and the will to ensure that every public school student receives an equal educational opportunity.

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    Loving vs Virginia


    Don't Bother Me With Facts; I Know Truth: Why Combatting Bias is Hard Aug 02, 2021
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    Photo by Michael Carruth on Unsplash

    In this episode, the hosts discuss sociological and psychological factors which sustain our biases. Topics include Confirmation Bias; tolerance of Hate Speech; support for False Equivalents; and the Dunning-Kruger, or Lake Wobegon Effect.

    Confirmation Bias

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

    Take an Implicit bias test

    https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html

    ACLU debate on free speech

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html?smid=url-share

    Jay Smooth - Floss and racial discourse

    https://nonprofitaf.com/2016/08/flossing-and-the-dental-hygiene-paradigm-of-race-discourse/

    Top law podcast: https://blog.feedspot.com/law_podcasts/

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    Separate but Unequal

    The Hands That Rock The Cradle: Donald Trump, the Supreme Court, and the Federalist Society


    The Assault on Critical Race Theory Jun 19, 2021
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    Photo by Tasha Jolley on Unsplash

    In this episode, the hosts discuss the new legislative "ad campaign" attacking the teaching of Critical Race Theory, which seeks to honestly analyze the impact of law, race, and history on American institutions. These new legal initiatives seek to outlaw curricula which make students feel uncomfortable. This may raise questions whether schools can even teach about the newest federal holiday, Juneteenth.

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    1619 Project

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

    Slate article on laws

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/florida-critical-race-theory-ban-what-it-tells-us-about-anti-anti-racism.html

    Text of Oklahoma law

    http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2021-22%20ENR/hB/HB1775%20ENR.PDF

    NYT article on support for BLM

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/22/opinion/blm-movement-protests-support.html

    Code Switch on Support for BLM

    https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/1004467239/the-racial-reckoning-that-wasnt


    It wasn't only Tulsa Jun 01, 2021
    Show notes

    Photo by Nadine Shaabana

    Repost of our episode on Stolen History

    EPISODE SUMMARY

    America has historically had a short attention span when it comes to racial inequality. There has been a tendency to get riled up over episodes of intolerable racism, but (1) allowing the righteous indignation to fade over time, and (2) ignoring the everyday denials of human dignity and equality. Jim Crow and white supremacy have a large, extended family. Sometimes they have come on horses in the dark of night. Sometimes they have worn suits and sat in large government or corporate buildings. Too often, "outrageous" racial incidents begin to shape the narrative and define the limits of tolerance, allowing other forms of racism to recede from the discussion.

    So, yes, let's remember Tulsa, but it wasn't just Tulsa.

    In this episode, the hosts explore how historical incidents of violence against Black communities, (such as the Tulsa and Rosewood massacres) are lost, minimized, or sanitized when the narrative is controlled by persons who place less value on the lives of people in those communities.

    A FEW KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE

    • The realities of eugenics and massacres in history
    • How history books have been sanitized and students only get a partial picture of what events, some not even mentioned
    • Things were no better at an earlier time. Rights, narratives, people being vilified, and movements against minorities are not new and give points of reference for contextualizing law. But it's important to get complete, accurate information.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocoee_massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colfax_massacre

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