Deviate

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Meghan Daum on career-reinvention, flyover country, nuance, and Gen X Feb 22, 2022

Show notes

“My pandemic essay was so badly received; I got massively dragged on Twitter for it, practically canceled. And then it ended up in Best American Travel Writing.” –Meghan Daum

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Meghan discuss what it means to be called “the voice of a generation” (4:00); why Meghan moved to Nebraska early in her career, and what it’s like to live and create in the provinces versus the metropole (9:20); the difficulty of continuing to make a living as a creative person, and mid-life career reinvention (16:00); Meghan’s essay about moving to rural Virginia during the pandemic, how it was poorly received, and her anxieties about living as a “geoarbitrage” outsider (22:30); Meghan’s career pivot into commenting on the culture wars, and how social media algorithms made this cultural rift more of an issue (35:00); and Rolf’s concerns that the politicization and performative certainty of social discourse will make young people less open to the vulnerabilities and uncertainties of travel (44:45).

Meghan Daum (@meghan_daum) is the host of The Unspeakable Podcast and is the author of six books. Her most recent book, The Problem With Everything: My Journey Through The New Culture Wars, was a New York Times Notable Book for 2019 and is just out in paperback.

Notable Links:

Girls (HBO TV series)
Rolf’s Atlantic essay about Girls (2012 article)
My Misspent Youth, by Meghan Daum (essay collection)
Sophfronia Scott on Deviate (podcast episode)
The GenX Reader, by Douglas Rushkoff (essay collection)
X Saves the World, by Jeff Gordonier (book)
Quality of Life Report, by Meghan Daum (novel)
I Left NYC for Greener Pastures, by Meghan Daum (essay)
Geoarbitrage (lifestyle-design strategy)
Culture war (values conflict within a society)
Alexander Kinglake (19th century English author)
The Daily Stoic, by Ryan Holiday and Stephen Hanselman (book)
Cultural appropriation
Michel Foucault (French theorist)
Quick Studies: The Best of Lingua Franca (criticism anthology)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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Paul Theroux on reading, teaching, and slow travel in Mexico [encore] Feb 08, 2022

Show notes

“We don’t have a lot of time on this earth. When you get to my age you’ve got to use it wisely. The thing I object to most is people wasting my time.” – Paul Theroux

In this episode of Deviate, Paul Theroux and Rolf discuss their travels through Mexico and magical realism (4:30); teaching as a way to get to know a country and the importance of reading (20:00); and Paul’s experience traveling along the US-Mexico border and geo-political complexities between the two countries (29:00).

Paul Theroux (@PaulTheroux_) is a pioneer of travel writing and author of many highly acclaimed books, including The Great Railway Bazaar, The Tao of Travel, and On the Plain of Snakes.

Notable Links:

Sinclair Lewis (writer)
William Faulkner (writer)
Jorge Luis Borges (writer)
Gabriel García Márquez (writer)
Magical Realism (style of fiction)
James Joyce (writer)
Aldous Huxley (writer)
Jack Kerouac (writer)
Rebecca West (writer)
Harriet Doer (writer)
Leonora Carrington (artist)
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, by B. Traven (novel)
Nathaniel Philbrick (author)
Moby-Dick, by Herman Melville (book)
Subcomandante Marcos (revolutionary)
Zapatista Army of National Liberation (militant group)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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How inexpensive countries are the secret to prolonging the journey [encore] Jan 25, 2022

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“Calculate what you spend on a daily basis at home for all your living expenses, cut that in half, and you’ll have a daily budget that can take you around the world indefinitely.” –Tim Leffel

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Tim discuss the advantages of traveling to cheaper parts of the world (3:00); how living overseas can actually be cheaper than your life at home (13:00); strategies to save money on the road (23:00); setting a budget, and counterintuitive sightseeing (34:00); and breaking the myth of expensive European travel (51:00).

Tim Leffel (@timleffel) is an award-winning travel writer and author of The World’s Cheapest Destinations and A Better Life for Half the Price. He is the editor of the narrative web publication Perceptive Travel. For more about Tim, check out https://timleffel.com.

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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Lost in the Valley of Death: The life and disappearance of Justin Alexander Jan 11, 2022

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“I realized that Justin Alexander was the latest person to disappear in a long history of travelers disappearing in India’s Parvati Valley. It’s a dark aspect of this really beautiful place.” – Harley Rustad

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Harley discuss how Harley learned of Justin Alexander’s story, why he chose to report it, and what makes travel to India unique (2:30); who Justin Alexander was, and what life events and desires led to him being a world traveler and social-media persona (8:00); what makes India’s Parvati Valley unique as a mountainous place where backpackers sometimes disappear, and how “India Syndrome” affects travelers (30:00); Justin’s decision to live in a cave in the Parvati Valley under the influence of a local sadhu (40:00); Justin’s August 2016 Facebook message to Rolf, the timeline of his life before his disappearance (47:30); speculations on what became of Justin after he was seen for the last time, and what his legacy is (57:00).

Harley Rustad (@hmrustad) is the author of Lost in the Valley of Death: A Story of Obsession and Danger in the Himalayas, and Big Lonely Doug: The Story of One of Canada’s Last Great Trees.

Notable Links:

Adventures of Justin Alexander (Facebook page)
Adventures of Justin (Instagram account)
Adventures of Justin (YouTube channel)
Chris McCandless (subject of Into the Wild)
Timothy Treadwell (subject of Grizzly Man)
Hippie Trail (1960s/1970s Asia travel subculture)
Tom Brown Jr. (American survivalist)
Royal Enfield (type of motorcycle)
Mentawai Islands (archipelago near Sumatra)
Hero’s Journey (mythic narrative template)
Joseph Campbell (comparative mythologist)
Sterling Hayden (actor and adventurer)
Parvati Valley (mountainous region in India)
Hashish (drug common in the Parvati Valley)
India Syndrome (delusional state)
Sadhu (Hindu religious ascetic)
“Lost in the Valley of Death” (2018 Outside article)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

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A mixtape (of sorts) about mixtapes: Music as intimate communication Dec 28, 2021

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“Mixtapes were more than a way to share music in the 1980s and 1990s: They were, in fact, a type of extraverbal language — a vivid, inexpensive form of folk communication.” – Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf talks about the film Cassette, and reads an informal essay about how mixtapes are a kind of lost language (00:45); then Rolf, Liesl, and Michael talk about how person-to-person connection was essential to sharing music in the 1990s, and the legacy of cassettes (8:00); the era when cassettes were a new technology, and the craft and care that went into creating mixtapes (22:00); how finding new music is different in the era of online algorithms, versus what music curation was like before cassettes (33:00); and how music and music-nostalgia is generationally specific, according to what technology was used when a given generation was young (45:30).

Zack Taylor is an actor and cinematographer, known for Cassette: A Documentary Mixtape (2016).

Notable Links:

Cassette: A Documentary Mixtape (film)
Rondo Rolf essay and track listing
High Fidelity (2000 movie)
The Fall (English post-punk band)
Kevin Young (poet and author)
Gouache (type of paint)
KROQ-FM (LA “alternative music” radio station)
Siouxsie and the Banshees (English rock band)
Fishbone (American rock band)
Henry Rollins (musician)
Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck (documentary film)
Cut-up technique (art method popularized by William S. Burroughs)
Payola (music industry practice)
“Home Taping Is Killing Music” (1980s slogan)
“It’s Raining Tacos” (Parry Gripp song)
Lou Ottens (inventor of the cassette tape)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

Digital nomadism [bonus]: How technology has changed the way we travel Nov 30, 2021

Show notes

“When you smell a place, that’s when your experience of it starts.” – Rolf Potts

Wade Shepard (@vagabondjourney) is an itinerant writer and filmmaker who has been traveling the world, through ninety countries, since 1999. Digital nomads interested in lending experiences or insights to the documentary film The Nomads can contact Wade at wadeshepard@protonmail.com.

Notable Links:

Baywatch (TV show)
Damara (African ethnic group)
Herrero (African ethnic group)
@lukeoakvt (Rolf’s nephew’s TikTok account)
Malagasy invasion of Africa (10th century battle)
Pollyanna principle (positivity bias)
Mursi (African ethnic group)
FOMO (fear of missing out)
The Beach (1996 novel)
The Beach (2000 film)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

Van Life before #VanLife (encore): Revisiting a classic USA road trip Nov 02, 2021

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“I will never have another vagabonding journey that compares to that first one — even though I have since traveled to far more exotic parts of the world — in part because there’s something special about embarking on a long-term trip for the first time.” –Rolf Potts

In this encore episode of Deviate, Rolf and his old friend Jeff talk about their 8-month van trip across North America back in 1994, how they prepared for it, and how it differed from current-day #VanLife excursions (5:30); how they exercised on the road, and how the conditions and travel-hacks of van journeys were different for two young men in 1994 (23:30); the route they took through North America, what happened along the way, and how they kept daily journals recounting events (36:00); the experience riding with cops in Houston, celebrating Mardi Gras in New Orleans, volunteering at a church in Mississippi, meeting girls in Florida, and seeing New York for the first time (51:00); the experience of staying at a Trappist monastery in Massachusetts for one week (1:14:30); visiting National Parks in the American South, Northeast, and West, and memorable books read along the way (1:28:00); and why the trip was life-changing (1:42:00).

Van trip preparation and planning links:

Digital nomadism (travel lifestyle)
#VanLife (travel lifestyle)
Composting toilet
Blue Highways, by William Least Heat-Moon (1982 book)
On the Road, by Jack Kerouac (1957 book)
Travels With Charley, by John Steinbeck (1962 book)
Vanagon (Volkswagen van)
Volkswagen Westfalia (camper van)
Trangia (alcohol-burning camp-stove)
A (literal) photo album from my 1994 van vagabonding trip (blog post)

Links regarding early months of the 1994 trip:

924 Gilman Street (Berkeley punk club)
Northridge earthquake (1994 earthquake)
“The Mystical High Church of Luck” (Salon essay about Las Vegas)
Lollapalooza (music festival)
O. J. Simpson murder case (1994 media incident)
USCGC Northwind (Coast Guard icebreaker)
Bourbon Street (historic street in New Orleans)
The Geto Boys, by Rolf Potts (2016 book)
Fifth Ward (Houston neighborhood)
Cops (TV show)
Canton (town in Mississippi)
In His Steps (Mississippi Christian outreach ministry)
Waffle House (southern restaurant chain)
Savannah State (historically black university)
Debbie Does Dallas (1978 pornographic film)
Tompkins Square (New York park)

Trappist monastery experience links:

St. Joseph’s Abbey (Massachusetts monastery)
Trappists (order of Catholic monks)
Thomas Merton (Trappist monk and writer)
Memento Mori (existential expression)
Chant (1994 Monks of Santo Domingo de Silos album)
Compline (end-of-day church service)

Links regarding the final months of the 1994 trip:

Ocala National Forest (protected area in Florida)
Shenandoah National Park (Virginia wilderness area)
Mount Washington (tallest mountain the northeast U.S.)
Arches National Park (Utah wilderness area)
Fisher Towers (photogenic cliffs near Moab, Utah)
Desert Solitaire, by Edward Abbey (1968 book)
Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman (1855 poetry collection)
The Razor’s Edge, by W. Somerset Maugham (1944 book)
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert M Pirsig (1974 book)
Uinta National Forest (protected area in Utah)
Yellowstone National Park (Wyoming wilderness area)
Glacier National Park (Montana wilderness area)
Pike National Forest (protected area in Colorado)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

Tales from the vagabonding trail: Discussing “Marco Polo Didn’t Go There” Oct 12, 2021

Show notes

“Life’s journey is as rewarding as my travel journeys. It’s been fun to travel the world as a slightly older person.” – Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and participants in the Nomadic Network book club discuss the stories behind the travel tales in his 2008 book Marco Polo Didn’t Go There, including what inspired him to collect the essays into a single book, and why he decided to include endnotes (2:00); which stories stand out as favorites, for both Rolf and his readers, and how Rolf finds stories on the road (12:30); how his writing and his travels have changed in the years since these stories were first written (19:00); what it’s like to create a home amid a life of travel, and how journaling feeds creative writing (26:00); and the new book Rolf is working on now (35:00).

Matt Kepnes (@nomadicmatt) is the founder of TravelCon and the author of Travel the World on $50 a Day and Ten Years a Nomad. The Nomadic Network is a global community of travel-enthusiasts who support and inspire one another to travel better, cheaper, and longer.

Travel essays mentioned:

“Storming The Beach“ (Thailand)
”Going Native in the Australian Outback” (Australia)
“Backpackers’ Ball at the Sultan Hotel” (Egypt)
“My Beirut Hostage Crisis” (Lebanon)
“Be Your Own Donkey” (Egypt)
“Turkish Knockout” (Turkey)

Notable links:

Paris Writing Workshops (writing class)
Travelers Tales (publisher)
Wilfred Thesiger (travel writer)
Gertrude Bell (travel writer)
American Notes, by Charles Dickens (travelogue)
Herodotus (Greek historian)
Best Hostel Ever (Deviate episode)
Whodunit (storytelling genre)
Bootsnall (travel community)
Mentawai Islands (archipelago in Indonesia)
Tracy Kidder (journalist)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

Vagabonding audio companion: Travel brainstorming, with Ari Shaffir Sep 28, 2021

Show notes

“You open up a map, and it’s like, ‘I could go anywhere here.’ It’s just a world of possibility.” – Ari Shaffir

Ari Shaffir (@AriShaffir) is a comedian, writer, podcaster, and actor. He is the current host of the Skeptic Tank podcast. For more information on Ari, visit his website.

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

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