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Traveling solo opens up new possibilities in a place (with Stephanie Rosenbloom) Nov 01, 2022

Show notes

“When you’re not sitting across from someone, you’re sitting across from the whole world.” –Stephanie Rosenbloom

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Stephanie talk about the rewards of traveling alone, and how to mix solo and companion travel within a single trip (2:00); how going alone makes you more receptive to museums, restaurants, and walking in a new play (11:00); how to better savor your travel experiences while they’re happening (21:00); certifying versus savoring experiences, and how to balance travel as an external act with a more spiritual internal process (31:00); and strategies for savoring solo travel experiences (46:00).

Stephanie Rosenbloom (@stephronyt) is a travel writer for The New York Times, where she has been a reporter for more than a decade, and the author of the book, Alone Time: Four Seasons, Four Cities, and the Pleasures of Solitude. For more about Stephanie, check out http://www.stephanierosenbloom.com.

Notable Links:

The Vagabond’s Way, by Rolf Potts (travel book)
On Karawa (Japanese conceptual artist)
Flâneur (urban stroller in France)
The Marais (district in Paris)
The Motorcycle Diaries, by Ernesto Guevara (book)
Thích Nhất Hạnh (Buddhist monk and author)
Savoring, by Fred B. Bryant (book)
Uffizi (art museum in Florence, Italy)
The Birth of Venus (painting by Botticelli)
LiveTrekker (route-tracking app)
Souvenir, by Rolf Potts (book)
Busking (street performance)
Evernote (task-management app)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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Keeping a journal helps you make sense of the journey (with Lavinia Spalding) Oct 25, 2022

Show notes

“A travel journal helps you remember more than what you did and saw. It will helps you remember how you became the person you are today.” –Lavinia Spalding

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Lavinia talk about the section of Rolf’s book The Vagabond’s Way that touches on travel journaling, what what purposes a travel journal can serve (1:30); how journals give you perspective on the person you used to be, and how the journaling habit develops over time (9:00); strategies for being vulnerable and honest in a travel journal (15:00); strategies for being consistent with a journal on the road (19:00); employing non-visual senses and evoking less-than-ideal experiences to capture more subtle textures in a travel journal (25:30); how a journal gives you a pretext to approach and even interview people who interest you on the road (33:00); how to take notes in the field, how to maintain an ongoing relationship with old travel journals, and why travel journals serve to make a journey more meaningful (41:00).

Lavinia Spalding (@laviniaspalding) is a travel writer and series editor of The Best Women’s Travel Writing. She has author of Writing Away, and co-author of With a Measure of Grace and This Immeasurable Place. For more about Lavinia, check out http://laviniaspalding.com/.

Notable Links:

Jack London (novelist and journalist)
Busan (city in South Korea)
Before Sunrise (1995 Richard Linklater movie)
Bullet journal (method of note-taking)
Clove cigarettes
Rainer Maria Rilke (Austrian poet)
Khentrul Lodro Thaye Rinpoche (Buddhist lama)
Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes (children’s song)
Vagabonding, by Rolf Potts (book)
Travel Writing and Global Change (TEDx talk by Lavinia Spalding)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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Paul Theroux on the merits of travel and the paradoxes of the global economy Oct 18, 2022

Show notes

“When you travel, you find out what it is you really want. You find out what you’re capable of, what your ambitions are.” –Paul Theroux

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Paul talk about how brotherly conflict is a time-honored trope in literature, and how travel can be a way to find your interests and ambitions in life (3:00); the ethical paradoxes and hypocrisies of global charities and industries in a resource-rich place like Africa (9:30); how writing fiction differs from writing nonfiction (19:00); and where Theroux is headed next (22:00).

Paul Theroux (@PaulTheroux_) is a pioneer of travel writing and author of many highly acclaimed books, including The Great Railway Bazaar, The Tao of Travel, and On the Plain of Snakes. His newest novel is The Bad Angel Brothers.

Notable Links:

The Vagabond’s Way, by Rolf Potts (travel book)
Paul Theroux on the art of listening (Deviate episode)
Paul Theroux on the inherent complexity of Mexico (Deviate episode)
The Great Railway Bazaar, by Paul Theroux (travel book)
Figures in a Landscape, by Paul Theroux (essay collection)
Cain and Abel (Biblical brothers)
East of Eden, by John Steinbeck (novel)
Cobalt mining in Africa
Tim Cook (CEO of Apple, Inc.)
Big-box store (large-scale retail system)
Chinese industry in Africa
NAFTA (free-trade agreement)
Malawi (country in southeastern Africa)
Phil Knight (CEO of Nike)
Dark Star Safari, by Paul Theroux (travel book)
PrairyErth, by William Least Heat-Moon (book)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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Seeking real crowds beats crowdsourcing (from The Vagabond’s Way book launch) Oct 11, 2022

Show notes

“This is your one life. Think about it: If you dream of travel, it’s not as hard as you might think. You can find ways to make it happen.” –Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Ernest talk about how “vagabonding” is defined, how Rolf has come to define home, and what the premise of The Vagabond’s Way is (2:00); how Rolf researched and organized the quotes and anecdotes and philosophies that went into the book (10:00); how mistakes and misadventures are an inevitable part of the travel process, and how time is one’s truest form of wealth (14:30); how the quiet experience of travel counts for more in life than travel that is performed for status (20:00); how no amount of planning can prepare you for the discoveries of each new day on the road, and how curiosity is more important than expertise on the road (27:30); how over-dependence on technology can compromise the novel experience of travel (33:30); advice for people leaving their country for the first time, advice for people traveling inside the US, and advice for keeping travel fresh over the long-term (38:00).

Ernest White II (@ernestwhiteii) is a storyteller, explorer, producer, and host of the television travel series Fly Brother, now in its second season on PBS and Create TV. Check out his subscription-based membership community, Fly Brother & Friends, which promotes travel and personal transformation.

Notable Links:

Vagabonding, by Rolf Potts (book)
The Vagabond’s Way, by Rolf Potts (book)
Mary Oliver (American poet)
Ross Gay (American poet and essayist)
Thích Nhất Hạnh (Buddhist monk and author)
The Daily Stoic, by Ryan Holiday (book)
Commonplace book (compilation of knowledge)
“Song of the Open Road,” by Walt Whitman (poem)
Memento mori (philosophy)
Souvenir, by Rolf Potts (book)
Damara (mountain-dwelling people in Namibia)
Duvall Street (tourist district on Key West)
Bukittinggi (city in Sumatra)
Randang (Minangkabau meat dish)
Culture shock (cross-cultural anxiety)
Isan (rural northeastern region of Thailand)
Sørumsand (town in Norway)
Fly Brother Season Two (TV show season)
Junction City (town in Kansas)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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Preconceptions can blur what you see firsthand on the road (with Eddy Harris) Oct 04, 2022

Show notes

“I didn’t go to Africa to “feel African,” or become African. What I wanted to do was put myself in the shoes of the person I was traveling next to.” –Eddy L. Harris

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Eddy discuss why Eddy’s Africa travel book Native Stranger was not always well-received by America’s cultural gatekeepers in 1992 (3:30); what is was like for Eddy to travel as a Black American in Africa in the 1990s, and how his experiences there became a book (12:30); how Africa has changed, and is changing (24:00); observations of Native Stranger that Rolf quoted in The Vagabond’s Way, such as how to deal with beggars on the road (30:00); and Eddy’s experiences being a Black American in France, and his core motivation for travel (37:00).

Eddy Harris (@EddyLHarris) is a writer, filmmaker, and author of several books, including Mississippi Solo, Native Stranger, and Still Life in Harlem.

Notable Links:

Luxembourg Garden (park in Paris)
South of Haunted Dreams, by Eddy L. Harris (travel book)
Malcolm X (American activist)
Alex Haley (American author)
Jufureh (town in the Gambia)
Taxi Brousse (share taxi common in Africa)
Soho Square (garden square in London)
Cape Coast Castle (“slave pen” fort in Ghana)
Mobutu Sese Seko (ruler of Zaire from 1965 to 1997)
Robert Mugabe (ruler of Zimbabwe from 1980 to 2017)
Albert Pujols (baseball player)
Central African Republic (nation)
Josephine Baker (American dancer who moved to France)
Normandy (region in France)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

Travel deviations can be as appealing as travel plans, with Ari Shaffir Sep 20, 2022

Show notes

“Naysayers can be the biggest obstacle for people who want to travel. Even if they know nothing about a place, they’ll think of reasons why you shouldn’t go there.” –Ari Shaffir

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Ari discuss how the experience of travel changes as you get older, what it’s like to record an interview in public in Paris, and how loneliness compels you to be a better traveler (2:00); what it was like to workshop travel stories in class, and how writing for the page compares to writing for the comedy stage (12:00); Rolf quotes Ari from The Vagabond’s Way about why it’s OK to get lost when you travel, and what it’s like when you wander out of tourist zones in another country (22:30); and how naysayers can preempt your travel ambitions if you listen to them (46:30).

Ari Shaffir (@AriShaffir) is a comedian, writer, podcaster, and actor. He is the host of the Skeptic Tank podcast. For more information on Ari, visit his website.

Notable Links:

Paris Writing Workshops (travel writing class)
Luxembourg Garden (park in Paris)
The Vagabond’s Way (Rolf’s newest book)
Souvenir, by Rolf Potts (book)
Deviate Live in NYC (podcast episode)
Thích Nhat Hanh (Buddhist monk)
Callback (comedy)
Xylia Buros: Nomad (podcast episode)
The Book of Delights, by Ross Gay (book)
High Times (magazine)
Chefchaouen (town in Morocco)
Tétouan (city in Morocco)
Tataouine (city in Tunisia)
Farang (Asian slang for white European)
Kathoey (trans identity in Thailand)
Boney M (Caribbean pop group)
Marco Polo Didn’t Go There, by Rolf Potts (book)
Felucca (Egyptian boat)
Temple of Hatshepsut (Egyptian temple)
Dili (city in East Timor)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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The Vagabond’s Way: An audio introduction to Rolf’s new book Aug 23, 2022

Show notes

“At its best, travel is embraced not as a flashy backdrop for our lifestyle ambitions, but as an act that touches every aspect of our being.” –Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf reads the introduction chapter from his latest book, The Vagabond’s Way, which debuts on October 4th (and is available for preorder now from your favorite bookstore).

Vagabonding audio companion: Love, finding home, and telling TV travel stories Aug 16, 2022

Show notes

“I think sometimes as travel writers our most important job is to be a listener — to listen to the stories that people are telling each other in a place.” –Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Ernest talk about why home is such an important place in one’s life, even when one travels to more far-flung places (3:00); why the vagabonding ethos begins with the willingness to give oneself permission to travel in life, and how Rolf’s new book, The Vagabond’s Way, furthers the vagabonding ethos in a daily-reading format (15:00); the difficulty of figuring out which place in the world is your “favorite,” and how food becomes a part of one’s iconic travel memories (32:00); and why it helps to be confident and “ride tall in the saddle” if you sometimes feel out of place as a traveler (41:00).

Ernest will moderate Rolf’s virtual launch event for The Vagabond’s Way at 5pm PT on October 4th, 2022.

Notable Links:

TV host Ernest White II (Deviate episode two)
“Pandemic love” Deviate episode
Deviate episode with filmmaker Rod Pocowatchit
Deviate episode with baseball historian Phil S. Dixon
Kansas City Monarchs (Negro Leagues baseball team)
Gordon Parks (Kansas-born photographer and filmmaker)
Nicodemus, Kansas (town settled by African Americans)
Lindsborg, Kansas (Swedish-American town in Kansas)
Zacatecas (state in Mexico)
Van life before #VanLife (Deviate episode)
Expat life in Korea (Deviate episode)
Commonplace book (method of compiling knowledge)
The Daily Stoic, by Ryan Holiday (book)
Matsuo Bashō (medieval Japanese poet and traveler)
Wenamun (ancient Egyptian traveler)
Muhammad Ali (boxer)
Code-switching (situational linguistic alternation)

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The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

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“On the Ice”: What it’s like to live and work at Antarctica’s McMurdo Station Aug 02, 2022

Show notes

“One thing we like to say [in Antarctica] is that nothing on the continent can kill you, except for the entire continent.” –Karen Pszonka

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Karen talk about how Karen first got a job in Antarctica (1:40); what weather is like during the Antarctic winter, the research being done at McMurdo, and a penguin named “Buddy” (8:00); what the landscape working conditions, and living conditions are like in Antartica (24:00); what community life is like among the people who live and work in Antarctica (42:15); and the best and worst aspects of working in Antarctica, and how one might go about applying for a job there (1:02:00).

Karen Pszonka (@zonks) works as support staff for the United States Antarctic Program‘s science research at McMurdo Station.

Notable Links:

Ice Bound, by Dr. Jerri Nielsen (book)
Terra Incognita: Travels in Antarctica, by Sara Wheeler (book)
Doomsday Glacier (Antarctic glacier)
Europa (moon of the planet Jupiter)
IceCube (neutrino observatory at the South Pole)
Sea spider (marine arthropod)
Ob tube (research instrument)
Sea angel (type of sea slug)
Royal Society Range (mountain range in Antarctica)
Hut Point (peninsula in Antarctica)
Medevac (medical evacuation)
Manhauling (human-powered sledges)
The Nutcracker (ballet)
Skua (type of bird)
U.S. Antarctic Program job opportunities

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lu mber.

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

A Critical Race Theorist’s guide to writing smut novels, with Dr. Kevin Harrison Jul 26, 2022

Show notes

“I told him, ‘You didn’t have a long, lucrative NBA career, but that doesn’t make you a failure. Yet if you let other people tell your story, that’s how you’re going to be depicted.” –Dr. Kevin Harrison

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Kevin talk about how Kevin started writing what he calls “smut novels,” how he sold them at the grassroots level, and how people reacted to them (3:30); what it’s like to represent lesser-known places like Wichita in urban fiction and other writing, and how Kevin came to co-write NBA player Korleone Young’s book (20:00); and the way Kevin’s music is another form of storytelling that draws on specific experiences and places (29:30).

Dr. Kevin Harrison is a writer, musician, and assistant teaching professor at Wichita State University. He is the author of Cameron Banks: The Reality Show, and co-author of One and Done: The Korleone Young Story.

Notable Links:

Urban fiction (literary genre)
Kaye-Monk-Morgan on Deviate
Korleone Young (basketball player)
Zane (erotic fiction author)
Oliver Twist (Charles Dickens novel)
Iceberg Slim (writer and former pimp)
Dolemite (Rudy May Moore film)
Gordon Parks (Kansas-born photographer and filmmaker)
She’s Gotta Have It (1986 Spike Lee film)
Selena Montgomery (pen name of politician Stacey Abrams)
Barry Sanders (football player)
Curtis McClinton (football player)
The Forgotten Phenom, by Jonathan Abrams (article)
LeBron James (basketball player)
Hot Water Cornbread (Kevin Harrison song)

Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

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